ok I'm in a MMO rut I enjoy PvP games and currently play Gloria victis , its fun but lacking content but the pvp system keeps me playing but really no MMO since UO has held my interest for long ...... I prefer open pvp games but realm vs realm is OK is bless fopr me ?
If you want to know how this game plays, play Riders of Icarus. If you hate how that game plays with the hybrid combat system you won't like this game either
ok I'm in a MMO rut I enjoy PvP games and currently play Gloria victis , its fun but lacking content but the pvp system keeps me playing but really no MMO since UO has held my interest for long ...... I prefer open pvp games but realm vs realm is OK is bless fopr me ?
If you want to know how this game plays, play Riders of Icarus. If you hate how that game plays with the hybrid combat system you won't like this game either
Aren't they redoing the combat?
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
ok I'm in a MMO rut I enjoy PvP games and currently play Gloria victis , its fun but lacking content but the pvp system keeps me playing but really no MMO since UO has held my interest for long ...... I prefer open pvp games but realm vs realm is OK is bless fopr me ?
If you want to know how this game plays, play Riders of Icarus. If you hate how that game plays with the hybrid combat system you won't like this game either
Aren't they redoing the combat?
Yeah. I don't know if that means changing the cooldowns so it's not as wack-a-mole, or revamping all the systems, changing skills and making it strictly action combat.
I was wondering about this and saw this thread. Thanks for the heads up.
I have to also say DMKano has largely been overly negative on Bless, and some of what he says about the game isn't true. While I agree that he is right on being critical, because Bless definitely has it's issues. I don't agree that content is one of those issues. There are much bigger problems, but I am optimistic that they can and will be fixed for the West.
Thing about BDO is at least they hand out plenty of perks to keep people interested. Bless has no housing, no fishing, and no real any kind of QoL mini games. It's just mostly combat.
I think there is a lot more to keep people interested in Bless. As far as content goes and ways to progress your character BDO is like a shell of a game in comparison. The pet system is also a fun mini-game that can take as much time as you want. I poured many hours on KR Rebuild collecting pets to out-pokemon my guild members playing.
The devs have also announced housing for the game. Though that's not really something that is interesting for me.
So basically people just put P2W ArcheAge and B2P with some P2Convenience BDO in the same bowl ???
How come? You can sell unlimited Apex on AA and buy whatever you want. P2W.
You cant buy anything in BDO that will make you p2w BUT you will need around 100-150E (as legendary packs in toher games) to enjoy the game truly. You need some pets, costume, some weight and thats it. Whatever you buy it will bring you a little more convenience BUT in the end is how RNG enchanting gods favor you. You can have 15.000.000.000 silver in 1 week and blow them all in few hours. BDO doesnt have a lock target like other games. Even if i quit the game 1y ago its still the most beautiful PvE game at this moment. Over 20+ things to do daily.
A:ir /Ascent Infinite Realm will worth test it with cheap B2P account. If it will have the same business model as BDO yay or nay, its simple.
Dark and Light is not a mmo. Its a survival game in Fantasy universe. Same ask Ark, Rust, etc. You go to bed and your progress is wiped by chinese, or other dudes playing on different time zone.
And as for Bless, i would say to everyone, test the game and refund in in less than 2h AFTER you watch it on stream on release day. I am a pleb, ill buy the legendary pack and play freaking early as possible. I hope its just one global server.
Thing about BDO is at least they hand out plenty of perks to keep people interested. Bless has no housing, no fishing, and no real any kind of QoL mini games. It's just mostly combat.
I think there is a lot more to keep people interested in Bless. As far as content goes and ways to progress your character BDO is like a shell of a game in comparison. The pet system is also a fun mini-game that can take as much time as you want. I poured many hours on KR Rebuild collecting pets to out-pokemon my guild members playing.
The devs have also announced housing for the game. Though that's not really something that is interesting for me.
So it sounds like this game isn't any different than a buy to play version of Riders of Icarus.
I was wondering about this and saw this thread. Thanks for the heads up.
Don't mind DMKano. He sees Bless as an unfinished game ( was, but a lot was fixed & they are still fixing and committed to release a good game for EU/NA ) , while he support games such as ArcheAge , Devilian and some other shitty games.
Bless is not rushed to the western playerbase. As I said , they want to release a stable product here with unseen skill and combat major changes which I believe we should see it pretty soon. Plus fully english voice-over and other changes specifically for EU/NA market.
Kano common sense lacks in this one , as any gamer with a bit of good faith, knows that a rushed product means release the game as a F2P , add P2W items in the cash shop, so that devs make good money in a short time , and so they wouldn't care if it will fail or not.
B2P means the dev ideology is having a stable, long term game.
I say wait and see for yourself.
But wait...he is an industry insider! LMAO!
Anyway, yeah I agree with your last statement in most things, wait and check it out yourself, there are too many variables when it comes to likes/dislikes with games.
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I was wondering about this and saw this thread. Thanks for the heads up.
Don't mind DMKano. He sees Bless as an unfinished game ( was, but a lot was fixed & they are still fixing and committed to release a good game for EU/NA ) , while he support games such as ArcheAge , Devilian and some other shitty games.
Bless is not rushed to the western playerbase. As I said , they want to release a stable product here with unseen skill and combat major changes which I believe we should see it pretty soon. Plus fully english voice-over and other changes specifically for EU/NA market.
Kano common sense lacks in this one , as any gamer with a bit of good faith, knows that a rushed product means release the game as a F2P , add P2W items in the cash shop, so that devs make good money in a short time , and so they wouldn't care if it will fail or not.
B2P means the dev ideology is having a stable, long term game.
I say wait and see for yourself.
But wait...he is an industry insider! LMAO!
Anyway, yeah I agree with your last statement in most things, wait and check it out yourself, there are too many variables when it comes to likes/dislikes with games.
You don't need to be an insider to see the massive heaping pile of MMO games filed under "It failed at launch" and to see the red flags. If people can only name off 3-4 great MMO games out of the hundreds listed on this site then you can see why people are so pessimistic. It's more of a surprise these days if a game is actually good all the way around.
My expectations of a good MMO is much lower then a few years ago. Lower your expectations. Be less dissapointed. Maybe have some fun.
In all honesty, I am more tired of the hand holding aspects of many MMO's these days. If you throw me in a game and let me figure things out on my own one day at a time I have much more fun then the god awful tutorial islands.
If I don't die in the first 10 levels something is wrong.
I was wondering about this and saw this thread. Thanks for the heads up.
Don't mind DMKano. He sees Bless as an unfinished game ( was, but a lot was fixed & they are still fixing and committed to release a good game for EU/NA ) , while he support games such as ArcheAge , Devilian and some other shitty games.
Bless is not rushed to the western playerbase. As I said , they want to release a stable product here with unseen skill and combat major changes which I believe we should see it pretty soon. Plus fully english voice-over and other changes specifically for EU/NA market.
Kano common sense lacks in this one , as any gamer with a bit of good faith, knows that a rushed product means release the game as a F2P , add P2W items in the cash shop, so that devs make good money in a short time , and so they wouldn't care if it will fail or not.
B2P means the dev ideology is having a stable, long term game.
I say wait and see for yourself.
Are you for real? Don't get me wrong I am holding out hope for this game as well. But you are insane if you think B2P is a good thing in terms of the sustainability of the game.
Number 1 thing, B2P to me for a "AAA" MMO title shows they are not confident that people will pay a sub for their game. Which obviously means dead game within 1-2 months. So they have no choice but to rule out the most sustainable option.
Number 2 B2P is not sustainable, they will not make enough off box price for future patches, added content, balance fixes anything that is required to keep a game healthy and populated.
Number 3 is B2P guarantees a cash shop (Which they have already said will be there), and while right now they claim "No pay to win elements and only cosmetics" this is bad no matter how you slice it. This means they will be spending the majority of their time designing cosmetic items to keep their game afloat rather then content updates, class balances and everything else that is needed to hold a healthy game population.
On top of that if these "cosmetics" don't cut it and they are beginning to drop into the red you will 100% see pay to win items in the cash shop. Game developers today do no give a shit about their player base, they care about their bottom line.
I think its sad to see that someone is still wearing rose tinted glasses in this generation of online gaming.
Anything they tell you is a lie. They chose Buy to Play out of necessity not because people wanted
I don't understand the point of these threads. It's a video game, not a car purchase. Either it interests you enough that you are willing to give it a shot. Or it doesn't seem worth it to you and you can move onto the thousands of other games available that peak your interest. What exactly are you hoping to hear that will convince you?
Putting Bless in the same sentence as those games is silly since they are Western and were built with that monetization model from the ground up.
Bless has been a P2W failure for the past 4 years yet now simply putting a box price on it will change the entire game? No RNG pet passives? No RNG gear regreades/gem slots?
Bless is just the next port and dump to join the ranks with:
Archeage Echo of Soul Riders of Icarus Cabal Blade and Soul Revelation online
And a 100 others probably attached to Nexon or Aeria.
Only 5 classes and a few dungeons but lots of PVP requiring RNG upgrades. The P2W can be seen a mile away with this one.
Putting Bless in the same sentence as those games is silly since they are Western and were built with that monetization model from the ground up.
Bless has been a P2W failure for the past 4 years yet now simply putting a box price on it will change the entire game? No RNG pet passives? No RNG gear regreades/gem slots?
Bless is just the next port and dump to join the ranks with:
Archeage Echo of Soul Riders of Icarus Cabal Blade and Soul Revelation online
And a 100 others probably attached to Nexon or Aeria.
Only 5 classes and a few dungeons but lots of PVP requiring RNG upgrades. The P2W can be seen a mile away with this one.
P2W isn't as blatant as the others, which means it's possible to get a good month out of the game before they do something overt. Does anybody know what exactly they're selling in the cash shop? I don't.
If Bless is that much of a P2W fail out of the box, we'll know immediately and it will be more telling as it seems to have less lifestyle or commerce activities than Archeage or BDO. Those are things that keep people mentally attached to the vicious cycle ("OMG I can't leave my land and house. OMG my trade runs and boat").
Everybody is super skeptical. One misstep and it will be all over for Bless fast, and if it's a month walking away will be less of a hassle IMO.
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I was wondering about this and saw this thread. Thanks for the heads up.
Don't mind DMKano. He sees Bless as an unfinished game ( was, but a lot was fixed & they are still fixing and committed to release a good game for EU/NA ) , while he support games such as ArcheAge , Devilian and some other shitty games.
Bless is not rushed to the western playerbase. As I said , they want to release a stable product here with unseen skill and combat major changes which I believe we should see it pretty soon. Plus fully english voice-over and other changes specifically for EU/NA market.
Kano common sense lacks in this one , as any gamer with a bit of good faith, knows that a rushed product means release the game as a F2P , add P2W items in the cash shop, so that devs make good money in a short time , and so they wouldn't care if it will fail or not.
B2P means the dev ideology is having a stable, long term game.
I say wait and see for yourself.
In all honestly I usually look for @DMKano replies on forum topics that I am interested in. He is a old time gamer and most of the time what he says I can agree with.
However, I believe I will go against his opinion on this one and give it a shot.
Look I see it this way, Final Fantasy 14, Failed its first launch and they took it down and Revamped it... Look how well its doing now.
Bless failed in other countries, but the game is getting a overhaul on most mechanics and its worth a shot to try it out at the most it will fail here as well but you never know it might actually take off.
After playing BDO I have come to the realization that I miss Dungeons and what dungeons use to be and that was running for gear and getting that epic piece of gear.
P2W isn't as blatant as the others, which means it's possible to get a good month out of the game before they do something overt. Does anybody know what exactly they're selling in the cash shop? I don't.
If Bless is that much of a P2W fail out of the box, we'll know immediately and it will be more telling as it seems to have less lifestyle or commerce activities than Archeage or BDO. Those are things that keep people mentally attached to the vicious cycle ("OMG I can't leave my land and house. OMG my trade runs and boat").
Everybody is super skeptical. One misstep and it will be all over for Bless fast, and if it's a month walking away will be less of a hassle IMO.
I do agree that most of these games use a bait and switch approach and don't slide in the real P2W until after a patch or 2 when people are more invested and box sales slow down.
It changes from finding new customers to extracting as much cash as possible from the existing ones and you either pay2compete or get crushed by the whales.
Eventually the cost2compete gets to high and the game implodes (ArcheAge). BDO managed to keep this better in check because its action based / zerging / potion spam combat with no arena does a better job of hiding the wallet warrior spec than tab target themeparks.
Going into Bless expecting only a few weeks of playable content is reasonable enough provided they don't charge $60+.
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Steam "Early Access"? Check.
Founder Packs? Check.
Cash Shop on Release / Early Access? Check.
We've been through this rodeo before and it always ends up the same. But hey, third times a charm. This time.. It'll be different. Right?
soon to add to the list
Bless Online
A:ir /Ascent Infinite Realm
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
On Bless Source there is also some guides.
http://bless-source.com/forum/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/681660/discussions/
I forgot to add this, I did come across a youtuber who speaks English who has quite a lot of videos on Bless.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWajiTYyiwalcfbJO-bDVpQ/videos
But some things will change with the rework.
I have to also say DMKano has largely been overly negative on Bless, and some of what he says about the game isn't true. While I agree that he is right on being critical, because Bless definitely has it's issues. I don't agree that content is one of those issues. There are much bigger problems, but I am optimistic that they can and will be fixed for the West.
The devs have also announced housing for the game. Though that's not really something that is interesting for me.
How come? You can sell unlimited Apex on AA and buy whatever you want. P2W.
You cant buy anything in BDO that will make you p2w BUT you will need around 100-150E (as legendary packs in toher games) to enjoy the game truly. You need some pets, costume, some weight and thats it. Whatever you buy it will bring you a little more convenience BUT in the end is how RNG enchanting gods favor you. You can have 15.000.000.000 silver in 1 week and blow them all in few hours. BDO doesnt have a lock target like other games. Even if i quit the game 1y ago its still the most beautiful PvE game at this moment. Over 20+ things to do daily.
A:ir /Ascent Infinite Realm will worth test it with cheap B2P account. If it will have the same business model as BDO yay or nay, its simple.
Dark and Light is not a mmo. Its a survival game in Fantasy universe. Same ask Ark, Rust, etc. You go to bed and your progress is wiped by chinese, or other dudes playing on different time zone.
And as for Bless, i would say to everyone, test the game and refund in in less than 2h AFTER you watch it on stream on release day. I am a pleb, ill buy the legendary pack and play freaking early as possible. I hope its just one global server.
Anyway, yeah I agree with your last statement in most things, wait and check it out yourself, there are too many variables when it comes to likes/dislikes with games.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
"It failed at launch" and to see the red flags. If people can only name off 3-4 great MMO games out of the hundreds listed on this site then you can see why people are so pessimistic. It's more of a surprise these days if a game is actually good all the way around.
In all honesty, I am more tired of the hand holding aspects of many MMO's these days. If you throw me in a game and let me figure things out on my own one day at a time I have much more fun then the god awful tutorial islands.
If I don't die in the first 10 levels something is wrong.
Bless has been a P2W failure for the past 4 years yet now simply putting a box price on it will change the entire game? No RNG pet passives? No RNG gear regreades/gem slots?
Bless is just the next port and dump to join the ranks with:
Archeage
Echo of Soul
Riders of Icarus
Cabal
Blade and Soul
Revelation online
And a 100 others probably attached to Nexon or Aeria.
Only 5 classes and a few dungeons but lots of PVP requiring RNG upgrades. The P2W can be seen a mile away with this one.
If Bless is that much of a P2W fail out of the box, we'll know immediately and it will be more telling as it seems to have less lifestyle or commerce activities than Archeage or BDO. Those are things that keep people mentally attached to the vicious cycle ("OMG I can't leave my land and house. OMG my trade runs and boat").
Everybody is super skeptical. One misstep and it will be all over for Bless fast, and if it's a month walking away will be less of a hassle IMO.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
B2P for me means, buy once, never pay again, which perhaps only GW1 really qualifies.
But hey, who makes games like that anymore, even single player games these days are almost a service suite, and not a single purchase.
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However, I believe I will go against his opinion on this one and give it a shot.
Look I see it this way, Final Fantasy 14, Failed its first launch and they took it down and Revamped it... Look how well its doing now.
Bless failed in other countries, but the game is getting a overhaul on most mechanics and its worth a shot to try it out at the most it will fail here as well but you never know it might actually take off.
After playing BDO I have come to the realization that I miss Dungeons and what dungeons use to be and that was running for gear and getting that epic piece of gear.
@DMKano have an open mind on this man.
It changes from finding new customers to extracting as much cash as possible from the existing ones and you either pay2compete or get crushed by the whales.
Eventually the cost2compete gets to high and the game implodes (ArcheAge). BDO managed to keep this better in check because its action based / zerging / potion spam combat with no arena does a better job of hiding the wallet warrior spec than tab target themeparks.
Going into Bless expecting only a few weeks of playable content is reasonable enough provided they don't charge $60+.