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Lets talk about Nostalgia
delete5230
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This is how I see it,
Nostalgia is an isolated feeling.
In our case it's a particular mmorpg, or several particular memories within a game. It's like a vision in our head of a fond memory or situation that stuck, where it creeps back to us and we smile from something from the good old days.
What's not Nostalgia. A play style !
First and second generation mmorpg's were popular and gaining speed. WE WERE READY FOR MORE. Sure you can break it down, twist it around and add all kind of adjustable factors.
Examples;
-First age of the internet and high speed
-First time in video games where other players are on your screen
-Nerds had computers first
-Add your own
The above is not an excuse !!!!........ It was a play style that was gaining speed and the people LOVED IT !!!!
What happened next ? "Big business stepped in for the cash cow !!!!"......Plane and simple.
Big business #1 that changed the formula to simple games online. Mystic Entertainment with the release of Warhammer Online. Our first disappointment!
Instanced, short, easy unfinished and all experience went to mini game scenario's. Heavy Marketing that tricked everyone !!! I could go on, but why?..... It was the end of first and second generation games that millions were waiting in anticipation for the next !
Nothing to do with Nostalgia.
Nostalgia is an isolated feeling.
In our case it's a particular mmorpg, or several particular memories within a game. It's like a vision in our head of a fond memory or situation that stuck, where it creeps back to us and we smile from something from the good old days.
What's not Nostalgia. A play style !
First and second generation mmorpg's were popular and gaining speed. WE WERE READY FOR MORE. Sure you can break it down, twist it around and add all kind of adjustable factors.
Examples;
-First age of the internet and high speed
-First time in video games where other players are on your screen
-Nerds had computers first
-Add your own
The above is not an excuse !!!!........ It was a play style that was gaining speed and the people LOVED IT !!!!
What happened next ? "Big business stepped in for the cash cow !!!!"......Plane and simple.
Big business #1 that changed the formula to simple games online. Mystic Entertainment with the release of Warhammer Online. Our first disappointment!
Instanced, short, easy unfinished and all experience went to mini game scenario's. Heavy Marketing that tricked everyone !!! I could go on, but why?..... It was the end of first and second generation games that millions were waiting in anticipation for the next !
Nothing to do with Nostalgia.
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At the heart of this is that MMOs have changed until using that term for most of them is for convenience rather than because they actually are MMOs. But also the communities have changed, I don't think we realise how much an effect that's had, our MMOs seemed to change because the communities changed so much. That's why for many people who did not see MMOs as a communal exercise the change did not seem as great.
Cut and dry. Has nothing to do with anything.
The funny thing about nostalgia is that it cannot exist in the present because, by definition, it is only something that has occurred in the past.
I suppose we have to be blunt and come right out and say it.
NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY THE GAMES YOU WANT TO PLAY.
That's why they don't exist anymore. Big business isn't to blame here. Other players are. They don't agree with you. They wanted all the features you hate in a game. That's why they are there. The games you dislike are still here and the ones you liked are now gone. What does that tell you?
Really, it's not that difficult to understand. You just refuse to accept it.
It's 2018... in 2025 you will have the same issue.... assuming your still pining over what once was.
Imagine all the things you could have been doing? This is an opportunity to expand your horizon beyond the the internet and go out in the world and discover something else to do with your life beside playing computer games. Eventually you will have no choice in the matter. Don't you think whilst you have two good legs under you, it would make better sense to spend your time doing things that need them instead of spending it doing things that a person in who is feeble is only able to do?
Old age is here faster than you think and all the things you could have done while a youth are no longer an option when it hits you.
You're wasting your life behind a computer.
I like playing Chess from time to time. I use to be captain of the chess team in High school. Its it Nostalgia that I love to play a 2 to 3 hour game of chess from time to time? NO. Its just what I like to do. I dont play as much as I use to, though I could see myself being one of those old men sitting in a park at 80 years old playing chess with other old men. Why? Because its something I like
As for MMORPGS. Why dont I play MMORPGS today? Because I hate the treadmill period. This is what MMORPGS turned into. It is not Nostalgia to say I would rather play Vanilla or TBC WOW over todays WOW just because a bunch of people dont like to play a slower version of the game. Its just like from time to time I like to play uncharted waters new horizons the SNES game. From time to time I play the Online Emulator to have a little fun. Just like I like to play FF3 from time to time or FF. Why dont I like today's Final Fantasy, because I dont like it. I like the magic being FF and FF3, I like the story I like how the characters play.
The same can be said for me about Hockey. I love watching Hockey and I use to love playing hockey. Why dont I play hockey today? My knee and ankles cannot take the pounding because of injury. It it Nostalgia to say I would still be playing Hockey if I was not at risk of being hurt to the point I would need knee replacement? No. Its something I like to do.
Nostalgia does not exist. It just a word used by a group of people to delegitimize another group's argument and personal feelings. They use Nostalgia to try to beat you into seeing the world their way. Well guess what. I dont give a rats ass what you think. I know who I am and what I like. No MMORPG publisher is getting money out of me again with today's MMORPG model. That is not the game I like to play. Just like if an NHL Owner was running a team I loved to watch into the ground because he didnt want to spend money on drafting and developing players so they could make the playoffs and push for a cup. If that Owner thinks my loyalty to the game is going to override his lack luster effort and team you are wrong. Just because I could remember the glory days of that NHL team does not mean I am going to watch or spend money on a bad on ice product.
That might be a contributing factor, but you have to take into account that it is design more than anything. When you can solo everything in an MMO and there are features to match you up at random and teleport you into raids and dungeon groups it does not foster community. Imagine Asheron's Call, UO, or EQ with these features and ask yourself if their communities would have been anything close to what they were.
I"m not sure why it's so hard for someone to look at a person's taste and draw conclusions from that. What is most likely happening is they can't understand why a person would like x, y and z so it must be nostalgia.
There was a point where I was only playing Vanguard. I didn't pay for a Sony pass I was just subscribed to Vanguard. Which came after Lineage 2 which would have been my "nostalgia" game.
But I was happily playing Vanguard as it had most of what I wanted.
I strongly suspect, that unless something else breaks on the scene, and if it releases, I will just go to Pantheon and that will be that.
I'm sort of tired of taste testing mmo's.
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That first is a preference, lots of people do things and play games that other people don't like or agree with, the latter is nostalgia, because the idea of the grass being greener is not being drawn from a current experience but experiential memories and we as humans tend to forget the bad details and embellish the good things in our head as time goes on.
The people who truly prefer those old concepts and games are already playing them, they probably couldn't care less about another game, this is what is going to happen with WoW Classic servers too, the hardcore that are already playing on the private servers will move on to official the majority that want it for nostalgia reasons is probably going to quit within the first few months.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
The reason we don't get those threads is it not true.
Has society changed from 1999 to 2018? Absolutely.
Are there more opportunities for media content? Absolutely.
Do people change over time? sometimes yes and sometimes no though invariably there can be "some change".
Does that mean that a person's personal preferences in things, in this case, video games change? Sometimes yes and sometimes no.
So in the end, the original post of "nostalgia" is really about whether or not a person's personal taste in games has changed.
And for some people that's a yes and for some people that's a no. So it's sort of a blanket statement that every person has had their tastes change.
I can say most assuredly that mine have expanded as there were, at least to my knowledge, no such thing as survival games back then.
But if my tastes changed then I might not like Baldur's gate but "no" still love it.
Still love the original Doom and Doom II. Doing yet another play through of Neverwinter Nights.
And my reasons for playing mmorpg's are still the same. I suspect I'm not alone.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
It makes zero difference whether the player's habits changed just because it's 2018 and not 1999 or Evilcorp somehow managed to brainwash everyone - the sentimental yearning to return to some fondly remembered past condition is still nostalgia.
And there is money to be made by some other Evilcorp selling you that too.
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- A patch isn't going to come out tomorrow and nerf the Queen.
- Chess doesn't have episodic content releases that shift the location of the population
- Chess won't come out with an expansion pack that totally changes the game
- Chess isn't going to shut down the servers and discontinue service, your will still be able to play when your 80 years old
(there are a lot more, obviously, but those are the big ones that pertain to my point)
I agree that you can' t nostalgic about Chess, because the game for that is static, and has been for centuries now. You can't really pine for something that's still here - as @btdt said, by definition, you can only be nostalgic about things that are in the past. You could be nostalgic about playing or watching a particular game, as that first experience can only happen once. But the game of Chess as a whole - yeah... it's not going anywhere.
I'm very nostalgic about City of Heroes, and Star Wars Galaxies. Sure, some emulators or third party solutions may pop up that let you run around, but those games as I remember and experienced them won't ever be coming back like I remember them.
I'm nostalgic about early Everquest and World of Warcraft - those games are still running, but they long since evolved away from the types of experiences that I enjoyed playing more than a decade (almost two!) ago. I am not saying those games are worse now, I'm just saying they are different, and so am I.
And I'm nostalgic about my own younger self - the one who had time to sit and game binge for an entire weekend, who had the ability to sit and grind mobs at a camp for hours on end without pain, and who could enjoy playing a game with a lot of friends online who could also afford to do the same. I don't feel like I missed out on "real life", even though I chose to spend that time in an online community. Those experiences and friendships are every bit as valid to me. I regret none of it.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
People like you cry endlessly about how much effort old games took, yet you still dont seem to ask the simple question. Did you need to rush to end game? NOPE. That shit didnt start until WOW started expansions every 2 years. If they had expansions every 36 months to 40 months you dont need to rush. You can enjoy the journey over 3 years.
As busy as my life is today with kids and a Career I am still very capable of playing older school games. Because I take the long view. No next month I need to clear Mythic raids or else I am not in the top 100 guild. Why is it I still can play a 5 hour chess game once in a while with a friend online. Because I can enjoy life and things at a slower pace, I am not about running around with my hair on fire all the time.
Nor did he say anything about being bored.
That seems all you. Pure West!
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Since 1999 it has become (more) accepted that adults also play games, as well as the versatility and availability has created audiences with taste in specific game types, including niches. Not only that, but the age factor is also somewhat dissolving, and audience types are composed of a more broad selection of ages, platforms, genders.
This means that the stale "videogames are for kids" notion is no longer valid, and as such games can choose to target more specific audiences instead.
Back to the "society has changed in the last 19 years" part on a general note. As I grow older it is my observation that things are not really changing that much, and it is mostly just the surface that change.
Also "in our gaming communities" sound like it is a unified change, but it is actually instead a change pointing in all directions. So you can't really say 19 years of change is reflected in gaming communities as in a specific direction.
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Look at how much ESO had changed in just the small time it's been released. Now add a decade plus of that.