Here's a screenshot of cheapest Kickstarter package for you:
I have already explained the date and why KS is poor platform for communicating this, yet you choose to ignore the truth in order to pervert to so you can muck-rake your drama. What you're presenting isn't the truth because there are more details to that package explained. But it's more important that you sling mud than get to the truth of the message.
You explained me that you think they intentionally provided us wrong estimated delivery date because a date was required by Kickstarter.
If you want to argue that the devs deceived us, fine, I'm not necessarily trying to argue against that.
Here's a screenshot of cheapest Kickstarter package for you:
I have already explained the date and why KS is poor platform for communicating this, yet you choose to ignore the truth in order to pervert to so you can muck-rake your drama. What you're presenting isn't the truth because there are more details to that package explained. But it's more important that you sling mud than get to the truth of the message.
You explained me that you think they intentionally provided us wrong estimated delivery date because a date was required by Kickstarter.
If you want to argue that the devs deceived us, fine, I'm not necessarily trying to argue against that.
Ashes is one of the only KS MMOs that has kept to their own schedule so far.
IMHO Dec 2018 was clearly communicated during the KS to be the launch of their alpha testing. Not launch.
I would be raising the pitch forks right along with you if I thought the devs were being deceitful, but they weren't. I'm sorry if you're the only one who got confused by this.
Here's a screenshot of cheapest Kickstarter package for you:
I have already explained the date and why KS is poor platform for communicating this, yet you choose to ignore the truth in order to pervert to so you can muck-rake your drama. What you're presenting isn't the truth because there are more details to that package explained. But it's more important that you sling mud than get to the truth of the message.
You explained me that you think they intentionally provided us wrong estimated delivery date because a date was required by Kickstarter.
If you want to argue that the devs deceived us, fine, I'm not necessarily trying to argue against that.
Ashes is one of the only KS MMOs that has kept to their own schedule so far.
IMHO Dec 2018 was clearly communicated during the KS to be the launch of their alpha testing. Not launch.
I would be raising the pitch forks right along with you if I thought the devs were being deceitful, but they weren't. I'm sorry if you're the only one who got confused by this.
They offer refunds as far as I know so if someone saw the 2018 date and pledge on that... they can just get their money back.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Maybe they put the date wrong, it was prob Dec 2020. XD
Probably an over-ambitious release window but, honestly, if you expect an MMO to be released in under 5 years, the problem is yours as much as the sometimes too enthusiastic devs who overestimate their capabilities.
No, the problem is with allowing devs to get away with marketing these deadlines.
I love you guys to death, but this is your realm. When these things hit Kickstarter, a piece on how unrealistic such timelines are would be welcome from the perspective of a gamer.
Right now, everyone pretends like it's cool that they're taking gamer cash while making pie in the sky promises. Journalism should be reigning those promises in by comparing it to reality.
These folks are making money off of de facto lies.
Maybe they put the date wrong, it was prob Dec 2020. XD
Probably an over-ambitious release window but, honestly, if you expect an MMO to be released in under 5 years, the problem is yours as much as the sometimes too enthusiastic devs who overestimate their capabilities.
Nope! The problem is devs only.
You see, if they are making a game with their own money , then they can ... push back the release date as many times as they want. But , if they are promising X release date ( beside other "features ) when they are asking for donors to support their project , and not delivering it , then that's 100% their fault, which .. from my point of view, should have some .. consequences for the dev's.
I'd just like to point out that when "investors" are talked about many times certain people say "they are greedy" for wanting what they want for their money.
All of a sudden players have their own money involved and we see the same sentiment as you've stated.
Just an interesting thing of note.
Very different things here. Not going to start a debate with what you've said. I will just say that is not even close to make a .. comparation.
Investor's money vs Player's money ...
But the point is, when money is involved, when one's own money is involved, suddenly one wants "results".
So while the end result for both are different the idea that one wants "what they paid for" is not.
Actually , you are right. That will be Investor's money vs Investor's money , because .. in KS situations, players are actually Investor's , and so , Investors have all the right to "suddenly" ask for "results" , because "what they paid for".
Yup. Good point you made there.
Kickstarter pledges are treated as a donation not an investment. You gain not equity share in the company through Kickstarter unless they actually stipulate that and you sign to on of those microinvestment platforms like Crowfall did.
Thanks for the article MMORPG! Reading through some of the comments, I feel it’s important to clarify that our estimated delivery date for the live launch of Ashes has always been before 2020. This was stated during Kickstarter on our forums, discord and live streams many, many times. Fun fact about creating Kickstarter campaigns is that when we added a date for one package, the Alpha 1 package, it added that date to all packages. And when the Kickstarter launched, you are not allowed to change the packages. So the December 2018 date, was the estimated delivery for Alpha 1. Which we will be ahead of schedule on
The team is working hard, night and day, to bring Ashes to the MMORPG community. ❤️
Happy to be with you fine ladies and gentlemen on MMORPG.com, hope to participate in healthy discussions about our favorite genre.
Even the package says "esitmated delivery" which means it can change.
If you participate in a ks your are still a consumer not an investor. if someone cant realize that anything and everything can change during any sort of devopment process should just stay away from any crowdfunding project.
Its why i dont do any crowdfunding period.
Take fortnite for example the game today is not the game they set out to make.
However i do think they should be somewhat accountable for promises made and refunds should.be offered in the event of major changes to the PRODUCT purchased in a KS. However this is not the case most of the time and ill just keep my money until there is a finished product or at least near finished product.
Thanks for the article MMORPG! Reading through some of the comments, I feel it’s important to clarify that our estimated delivery date for the live launch of Ashes has always been before 2020. This was stated during Kickstarter on our forums, discord and live streams many, many times. Fun fact about creating Kickstarter campaigns is that when we added a date for one package, the Alpha 1 package, it added that date to all packages. And when the Kickstarter launched, you are not allowed to change the packages. So the December 2018 date, was the estimated delivery for Alpha 1. Which we will be ahead of schedule on
The team is working hard, night and day, to bring Ashes to the MMORPG community. ❤️
Thanks for taking the time to post Steven. You guys at Intrepid are one of the only companies that really seem to be trying to stick to your schedules. Seeing that Alpha one is slated to be ahead of schedule this is awesome.
More companies need to be open and honest in their development process like Intrepid has been. Many times kickstarter games end up being like scams and it makes us wary of backing games. Keep up the hard work and communication
Thanks for the article MMORPG! Reading through some of the comments, I feel it’s important to clarify that our estimated delivery date for the live launch of Ashes has always been before 2020. This was stated during Kickstarter on our forums, discord and live streams many, many times. Fun fact about creating Kickstarter campaigns is that when we added a date for one package, the Alpha 1 package, it added that date to all packages. And when the Kickstarter launched, you are not allowed to change the packages. So the December 2018 date, was the estimated delivery for Alpha 1. Which we will be ahead of schedule on
The team is working hard, night and day, to bring Ashes to the MMORPG community. ❤️
I agree this MMORPG has been, by far, the best at sticking to the scheduled development. I didn't want my previous post to take that away from you guys, but felt the point needed to be made, and a post by a staff member gave me a good jumping off point.
The ability for devs to basically claim anything they want as reality when they start these projects needs to stop. It's highly prevalent in crowdfunding, though not necessarily here.
Gamers are not industry experts. They aren't even software experts. Shoveling blame to them is completely ignoring how every single consumer/producer system works in reality: without oversight from an independent body, marketing trumps pragmatism and consumers suffer. That's not kosher when you're depending upon consumers to create the very product you will then use to seek more money from those same backers.
Thanks for the article MMORPG! Reading through some of the comments, I feel it’s important to clarify that our estimated delivery date for the live launch of Ashes has always been before 2020. This was stated during Kickstarter on our forums, discord and live streams many, many times. Fun fact about creating Kickstarter campaigns is that when we added a date for one package, the Alpha 1 package, it added that date to all packages. And when the Kickstarter launched, you are not allowed to change the packages. So the December 2018 date, was the estimated delivery for Alpha 1. Which we will be ahead of schedule on
The team is working hard, night and day, to bring Ashes to the MMORPG community. ❤️
I agree this MMORPG has been, by far, the best at sticking to the scheduled development. I didn't want my previous post to take that away from you guys, but felt the point needed to be made, and a post by a staff member gave me a good jumping off point.
The ability for devs to basically claim anything they want as reality when they start these projects needs to stop. It's highly prevalent in crowdfunding, though not necessarily here.
Gamers are not industry experts. They aren't even software experts. Shoveling blame to them is completely ignoring how every single consumer/producer system works in reality: without oversight from an independent body, marketing trumps pragmatism and consumers suffer. That's not kosher when you're depending upon consumers to create the very product you will then use to seek more money from those same backers.
Totally agree... I think I've been fairly public with my distaste for some of the things they have done but as long as they keep close to schedule AND offer a refund... not much to complain about.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
The game was supposed to make full release in Dec 2018. Yet another Kickstarter whose schedule has nothing at all to do with reality.
Not fully true :P
It was supposed to be in a playable state for the Kickstarter backers at Dec 2018. It never was stated that there would be a full release 2018.
The delivery date on Kickstarter does not signify the actual full release date unless specified by the creator, that might have confused you looking at it. It signifies earliest date of delivery of SOMETHING to backers. Same goes for most other game kickstarters tbh
Edit: Ah, a dev already said this, saw it to late ;D
Its starting to feel like I'm in an alternate reality. Single player games being partially released and expecting full release price with DLC costing half or the same price as full release. P2P games having actively monthly updated cash shops. Devs/publishers looking good to the community just because they WONT put loot boxes in their game and just let you buy everything individually. And now celebrating how long a crowdfunded project has been in development.
Are you saying you come from an alternate reality where games aren't like that, and good games are delivered for reasonable prices without forcing micro transactions down your throat? If so, and you find a way back, let me know, because I want to go with you!
I see your point @Torval, but if journalists are aware enough to prod a poster for believing a timeline given at Kickstarter, that tells me they recognize that these timelines and project plans are usually damn near facetious. However, it's presented lightly as if that's no matter. But considering time put into the project means ongoing costs and those costs are being paid by the very base the devs want to pay them for the experience even after release, not keeping to a schedule should very much be a concern.
Years behind schedule, as is the case with many crowdfunded MMORPGs, should begin to raise questions among journalists about how genuine these developers are being with their timelines. Not just "haha you're a fool for believing anything they say," but "hey, why can't we believe ANYTHING they say??"
I mean, half a second digging through the FAQ shows a question that sets the estimated delivery time of the Alpha for 2018, with the beta coming after, and no mention of the project as a whole being completed within that time-frame. Kickstarter even shows the last time the question itself was last edited - May 1st, 2017 at 11:07 PM. There is skepticism, and then there's denial.
And if you're still of the opinion that AoC is still in the wrong here, I would like to point out that there is no evidence of Intrepid ever actually saying that the delivery date coincided with the date of AoC's release. The delivery date, even if it *had* been deliberately set for Dec 2018 (which it almost certainly wasn't), could still just mean that that is when the assets become available in-game, upon the launch of the Alpha. Whether you have access to them or not isn't necessarily relevant, as they can still be delivered to your account. But that's just a theoretical technicality.
But I digress from my main point above. Reality contradicts that theory. I understand that everyone is extremely skeptical of new MMOs, particularly ones such as AoC that claim to be "changing the genre." Believe me, I feel much the same. But Ashes of Creation has done more than just talk the talk. PAX East showed an unfinished shell of a small part of a very large game. Honestly, I don't think they should have showed any product at all. I feel like it turned a lot of people away, and gave people the false idea that the game was not making good progress. I have read extensively into AoC, and am extremely excited for the world that Intrepid is trying to make. I implore you to at least keep an eye on this one, for your own sake. It would suck to get a late start into what promises to be an enthralling MMO because you didn't notice the diamond in the rough here.
I mean, half a second digging through the FAQ shows a question that sets the estimated delivery time of the Alpha for 2018, with the beta coming after, and no mention of the project as a whole being completed within that time-frame. Kickstarter even shows the last time the question itself was last edited - May 1st, 2017 at 11:07 PM. There is skepticism, and then there's denial.
And if you're still of the opinion that AoC is still in the wrong here, I would like to point out that there is no evidence of Intrepid ever actually saying that the delivery date coincided with the date of AoC's release. The delivery date, even if it *had* been deliberately set for Dec 2018 (which it almost certainly wasn't), could still just mean that that is when the assets become available in-game, upon the launch of the Alpha. Whether you have access to them or not isn't necessarily relevant, as they can still be delivered to your account. But that's just a theoretical technicality.
But I digress from my main point above. Reality contradicts that theory. I understand that everyone is extremely skeptical of new MMOs, particularly ones such as AoC that claim to be "changing the genre." Believe me, I feel much the same. But Ashes of Creation has done more than just talk the talk. PAX East showed an unfinished shell of a small part of a very large game. Honestly, I don't think they should have showed any product at all. I feel like it turned a lot of people away, and gave people the false idea that the game was not making good progress. I have read extensively into AoC, and am extremely excited for the world that Intrepid is trying to make. I implore you to at least keep an eye on this one, for your own sake. It would suck to get a late start into what promises to be an enthralling MMO because you didn't notice the diamond in the rough here.
- Sikuba
I'm keeping an eye on it, I just haven't seen anything of substance yet. Mile-high promises and nothing more than combat tech demos to show.
The environments are beautiful and the graphics in general are pretty top-notch but nothing even remotely evolutionary has been shown, and that's their claim.
The delivery date, even if it *had* been deliberately set for Dec 2018 (which it almost certainly wasn't), could still just mean that that is when the assets become available in-game, upon the launch of the Alpha. Whether you have access to them or not isn't necessarily relevant, as they can still be delivered to your account. But that's just a theoretical technicality.
OK that's just silly talk.
The better path is to simply say that anyone who feels misled by the Dec 2018 delivery date posted on the Kickstarter should simply get a refund.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
As an impartial observer with no horse in this or any other KS MMO race, compared to all the other projects we focus on around here (COE, CU, Pantheon, Crowfall, SC- if you want to call that an MMO) this one appears to be much more focused and on schedule than the others.
I find their progress in just 1 year pretty impressive.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
The delivery date, even if it *had* been deliberately set for Dec 2018 (which it almost certainly wasn't), could still just mean that that is when the assets become available in-game, upon the launch of the Alpha. Whether you have access to them or not isn't necessarily relevant, as they can still be delivered to your account. But that's just a theoretical technicality.
OK that's just silly talk.
The better path is to simply say that anyone who feels misled by the Dec 2018 delivery date posted on the Kickstarter should simply get a refund.
Well someone skimmed and cut. Lol. Like I said in literally the next line, that wasn't my point.
I mean, half a second digging through the FAQ shows a question that sets the estimated delivery time of the Alpha for 2018, with the beta coming after, and no mention of the project as a whole being completed within that time-frame. Kickstarter even shows the last time the question itself was last edited - May 1st, 2017 at 11:07 PM. There is skepticism, and then there's denial.
And if you're still of the opinion that AoC is still in the wrong here, I would like to point out that there is no evidence of Intrepid ever actually saying that the delivery date coincided with the date of AoC's release. The delivery date, even if it *had* been deliberately set for Dec 2018 (which it almost certainly wasn't), could still just mean that that is when the assets become available in-game, upon the launch of the Alpha. Whether you have access to them or not isn't necessarily relevant, as they can still be delivered to your account. But that's just a theoretical technicality.
But I digress from my main point above. Reality contradicts that theory. I understand that everyone is extremely skeptical of new MMOs, particularly ones such as AoC that claim to be "changing the genre." Believe me, I feel much the same. But Ashes of Creation has done more than just talk the talk. PAX East showed an unfinished shell of a small part of a very large game. Honestly, I don't think they should have showed any product at all. I feel like it turned a lot of people away, and gave people the false idea that the game was not making good progress. I have read extensively into AoC, and am extremely excited for the world that Intrepid is trying to make. I implore you to at least keep an eye on this one, for your own sake. It would suck to get a late start into what promises to be an enthralling MMO because you didn't notice the diamond in the rough here.
- Sikuba
I'm keeping an eye on it, I just haven't seen anything of substance yet. Mile-high promises and nothing more than combat tech demos to show.
The environments are beautiful and the graphics in general are pretty top-notch but nothing even remotely evolutionary has been shown, and that's their claim.
I agree, they haven't shown anything yet. But, at the same time, the the big changes and innovations they promised are going to be the elements that they need to focus most of their effort into. It's something that should take time, because if it's half-baked, it will completely fall apart and ruin the core ideas behind the game. Right now it's all just opinion, faith and skepticism. But what really is disappointing to me is seeing people write off the game due to the lackluster showing of gameplay and combat.
I'm keeping an eye on it, I just haven't seen anything of substance yet. Mile-high promises and nothing more than combat tech demos to show.
The environments are beautiful and the graphics in general are pretty top-notch but nothing even remotely evolutionary has been shown, and that's their claim.
I agree, they haven't shown anything yet. But, at the same time, the the big changes and innovations they promised are going to be the elements that they need to focus most of their effort into. It's something that should take time, because if it's half-baked, it will completely fall apart and ruin the core ideas behind the game. Right now it's all just opinion, faith and skepticism. But what really is disappointing to me is seeing people write off the game due to the lackluster showing of gameplay and combat.
Really no worse than the whole hopes and dreams stuff by other people. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if someone writes off a game that is years from release for any reason.
If it launches and it is good.... people will come play it. If it's a turd, people wont.
In the interim, if you put out a video to hype your game you are going to be judged on what that video shows.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Well what people don't understand is that MMO's take a long time to make. But even then they are always guestimating. When you start an MMO project you don't exactly know how long it takes. They put up a guess on how long it would take to the best of their ability.
I would give you a guest pass to SWOTR, but then I wouldn't be able to find a way to live with myself afterwards....
Maybe they put the date wrong, it was prob Dec 2020. XD
Probably an over-ambitious release window but, honestly, if you expect an MMO to be released in under 5 years, the problem is yours as much as the sometimes too enthusiastic devs who overestimate their capabilities.
Pretty much why I always laugh when I see some super ambitious new MMO KS claim it's going to be released within 1-2 years. Unless it's something low budget with barely any features and graphics from 2002, no one should take that as anything more more than the company trying to bait people into backing it... err, I mean being over-ambitious.
On topic; glad to see it's coming along well! While I generally don't have all that much faith in KS MMO's, I do hope it turns into what's been advertised.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
Really looking forward to this game. Most have been burned by MMOs in the past so if you have any doubt just wait until the game comes out (still a long ways away) and pay $15 for a month of game play and make up your mind at that point. There will be no box price and only the monthly subscription fee. If you want to look into the game more take a look at their website and forums where you can register and find out more information. https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Sintu/
Comments
If you want to argue that the devs deceived us, fine, I'm not necessarily trying to argue against that.
Edit: I'm not expecting the game to be fully released before 2022.
IMHO Dec 2018 was clearly communicated during the KS to be the launch of their alpha testing. Not launch.
I would be raising the pitch forks right along with you if I thought the devs were being deceitful, but they weren't. I'm sorry if you're the only one who got confused by this.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
I love you guys to death, but this is your realm. When these things hit Kickstarter, a piece on how unrealistic such timelines are would be welcome from the perspective of a gamer.
Right now, everyone pretends like it's cool that they're taking gamer cash while making pie in the sky promises. Journalism should be reigning those promises in by comparing it to reality.
These folks are making money off of de facto lies.
Kickstarter pledges are treated as a donation not an investment. You gain not equity share in the company through Kickstarter unless they actually stipulate that and you sign to on of those microinvestment platforms like Crowfall did.
The team is working hard, night and day, to bring Ashes to the MMORPG community. ❤️
Founder/Creative Director @ Intrepid Studios
Building upcoming MMORPG Ashes of Creation
Discord
If you participate in a ks your are still a consumer not an investor. if someone cant realize that anything and everything can change during any sort of devopment process should just stay away from any crowdfunding project.
Its why i dont do any crowdfunding period.
Take fortnite for example the game today is not the game they set out to make.
However i do think they should be somewhat accountable for promises made and refunds should.be offered in the event of major changes to the PRODUCT purchased in a KS. However this is not the case most of the time and ill just keep my money until there is a finished product or at least near finished product.
Thanks for taking the time to post Steven. You guys at Intrepid are one of the only companies that really seem to be trying to stick to your schedules. Seeing that Alpha one is slated to be ahead of schedule this is awesome.
More companies need to be open and honest in their development process like Intrepid has been. Many times kickstarter games end up being like scams and it makes us wary of backing games. Keep up the hard work and communication
The ability for devs to basically claim anything they want as reality when they start these projects needs to stop. It's highly prevalent in crowdfunding, though not necessarily here.
Gamers are not industry experts. They aren't even software experts. Shoveling blame to them is completely ignoring how every single consumer/producer system works in reality: without oversight from an independent body, marketing trumps pragmatism and consumers suffer. That's not kosher when you're depending upon consumers to create the very product you will then use to seek more money from those same backers.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Not fully true :P
It was supposed to be in a playable state for the Kickstarter backers at Dec 2018. It never was stated that there would be a full release 2018.
The delivery date on Kickstarter does not signify the actual full release date unless specified by the creator, that might have confused you looking at it. It signifies earliest date of delivery of SOMETHING to backers. Same goes for most other game kickstarters tbh
Edit: Ah, a dev already said this, saw it to late ;D
https://ashesofcreation.com/r/Y4U3PQCASUPJ5SED
Are you saying you come from an alternate reality where games aren't like that, and good games are delivered for reasonable prices without forcing micro transactions down your throat? If so, and you find a way back, let me know, because I want to go with you!
Years behind schedule, as is the case with many crowdfunded MMORPGs, should begin to raise questions among journalists about how genuine these developers are being with their timelines. Not just "haha you're a fool for believing anything they say," but "hey, why can't we believe ANYTHING they say??"
Source: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1791529601/ashes-of-creation-new-mmorpg-by-intrepid-studios/faqs
Kickstarter's own FAQ states that:
"The following cannot be edited once a project has launched.
— Funding goal
— Project deadline
— Kickstarter profile name
— Rewards tiers that have already been selected by a backer
— Information in your Account tab, including your bank account and verified identity."
Source: https://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/creator+questions
And if you're still of the opinion that AoC is still in the wrong here, I would like to point out that there is no evidence of Intrepid ever actually saying that the delivery date coincided with the date of AoC's release. The delivery date, even if it *had* been deliberately set for Dec 2018 (which it almost certainly wasn't), could still just mean that that is when the assets become available in-game, upon the launch of the Alpha. Whether you have access to them or not isn't necessarily relevant, as they can still be delivered to your account. But that's just a theoretical technicality.
But I digress from my main point above. Reality contradicts that theory. I understand that everyone is extremely skeptical of new MMOs, particularly ones such as AoC that claim to be "changing the genre." Believe me, I feel much the same. But Ashes of Creation has done more than just talk the talk. PAX East showed an unfinished shell of a small part of a very large game. Honestly, I don't think they should have showed any product at all. I feel like it turned a lot of people away, and gave people the false idea that the game was not making good progress. I have read extensively into AoC, and am extremely excited for the world that Intrepid is trying to make. I implore you to at least keep an eye on this one, for your own sake. It would suck to get a late start into what promises to be an enthralling MMO because you didn't notice the diamond in the rough here.
- Sikuba
The environments are beautiful and the graphics in general are pretty top-notch but nothing even remotely evolutionary has been shown, and that's their claim.
The better path is to simply say that anyone who feels misled by the Dec 2018 delivery date posted on the Kickstarter should simply get a refund.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
I find their progress in just 1 year pretty impressive.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Well someone skimmed and cut. Lol. Like I said in literally the next line, that wasn't my point.
I agree, they haven't shown anything yet. But, at the same time, the the big changes and innovations they promised are going to be the elements that they need to focus most of their effort into. It's something that should take time, because if it's half-baked, it will completely fall apart and ruin the core ideas behind the game. Right now it's all just opinion, faith and skepticism. But what really is disappointing to me is seeing people write off the game due to the lackluster showing of gameplay and combat.
If it launches and it is good.... people will come play it. If it's a turd, people wont.
In the interim, if you put out a video to hype your game you are going to be judged on what that video shows.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
I would give you a guest pass to SWOTR, but then I wouldn't be able to find a way to live with myself afterwards....
On topic; glad to see it's coming along well! While I generally don't have all that much faith in KS MMO's, I do hope it turns into what's been advertised.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/