"Steam Early Access enables you to sell your game on Steam while it is still being developed, and provide context to customers that a product should be considered "unfinished." Early Access is a place for games that are in a playable alpha or beta state, are worth the current value of the playable build, and that you plan to continue to develop for release."
Bless is not in Alpha nor Beta - alpha and beta tests do a player wipe after completion
Neowiz has clearly stated that Steam Bless will NOT have any future player wipes - which means it's launched, it also means that it is not in Alpha nor Beta and does not meet criteria for Early Access.
Did ESO, WoW, Rift, Aion, GW2, Diablo 3, Age of Conan, DAoC and basically every major MMORPG in history do a wipe at the end of alpha/beta and before launch?
yes they did
Bless again is not doing a wipe at any point - it is not in Alpha nor Beta - the game has been already launched as a "final" version in other regions.
It's pretty obvious that this is not an Early Access game by Steam's definition.
STEAM did not make the game. Neowiz did so if THEY say Early Access then thats what I go in expecting. That why I am totally fine with the changes and updates because I went in expecting them.
Did I say that Steam made the game?
I posted Steam's definition on what Steam consider's Early Access - the game that are on steam as Early Access need to fall within Steam's definition.
Steam needs to do a better job of vetting all of their games - as many "Early Access" titles on Steam are not in fact Early Access by Steam's own definition.
This is a huge problem and Steam should take down all the games that are using "Early Access" as an excuse for broken and finished launched products that are not in Alpha nor Beta and are charging money from players.
Valve doesn't give a shit about their own rules and will take any excuse for games that break their rules since it earns them more money.
Iselin: And the next person who says "but it's a business, they need to make money" can just go fuck yourself.
Did every single MMO launch you played have a dupe bug and a 1st week patch that nerfed player damage by 60% across the board too?
Bless was a bad launch
No every single MMO launch didn't have those combined issues. Then again a lot of those launches had a completely different list of issues and some of them to a much greater negative degree.
Bless launch was not perfect, none of them are.
What I can say though is Bless devs are reacting faster to these issues than most all other companies I can remember.
As a potential customer, I don't care about company goals, deadlines, logistics, manpower or any other factors that affect the product. What I expect is a fully realized and complete product as promised and set by the product description and advertising. If I were the only customer to feel this way, previous MMO launches wouldn't have failed and they deserved to fail. These companies have to earn their money, just like we do. They failed in two other markets and still haven't learned their lesson.
As a potential customer you are right. Wait for the game to launch. Launch as official launch, yes? No Early Access. After that, you are free to judge whatever. Judging a game in Beta Testing , and expecting a fully realized and complete product , makes you look bad.
"Steam Early Access enables you to sell your game on Steam while it is still being developed, and provide context to customers that a product should be considered "unfinished." Early Access is a place for games that are in a playable alpha or beta state, are worth the current value of the playable build, and that you plan to continue to develop for release."
Bless is not in Alpha nor Beta - alpha and beta tests do a player wipe after completion
Neowiz has clearly stated that Steam Bless will NOT have any future player wipes - which means it's launched, it also means that it is not in Alpha nor Beta and does not meet criteria for Early Access.
Did ESO, WoW, Rift, Aion, GW2, Diablo 3, Age of Conan, DAoC and basically every major MMORPG in history do a wipe at the end of alpha/beta and before launch?
yes they did
Bless again is not doing a wipe at any point - it is not in Alpha nor Beta - the game has been already launched as a "final" version in other regions.
It's pretty obvious that this is not an Early Access game by Steam's definition.
STEAM did not make the game. Neowiz did so if THEY say Early Access then thats what I go in expecting. That why I am totally fine with the changes and updates because I went in expecting them.
Did I say that Steam made the game?
I posted Steam's definition on what Steam consider's Early Access - the game that are on steam as Early Access need to fall within Steam's definition.
Steam needs to do a better job of vetting all of their games - as many "Early Access" titles on Steam are not in fact Early Access by Steam's own definition.
This is a huge problem and Steam should take down all the games that are using "Early Access" as an excuse for broken and finished launched products that are not in Alpha nor Beta and are charging money from players.
Bless IS following the Steam's definition of an Early Access game, else it would NOT be on Steam.
Steam got SOFT in the face of QQ-ers for giving refunds which should NOT give. I agree with the 2 hours refund. I even agree with 5 hours, because..reasons. But refunding players which spend 20-30-40 hours is just bad image for Steam. And don't bullshit me that this players which spent 20/40 hours spent the most time in loading screen. The ones in the 2/5 hours , fine .. 10 hours, can be put in this category. But that's it.
Other then that , ANY reasons beside not being able to login , and play the game stable for few hours to make a decision are NOT reasons to refund in Early Access.
Here, let me make a..."picture" for you to understand better :
This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development.
"Steam Early Access enables you to sell your game on Steam while it is still being developed, and provide context to customers that a product should be considered "unfinished." Early Access is a place for games that are in a playable alpha or beta state, are worth the current value of the playable build, and that you plan to continue to develop for release."
Bless is not in Alpha nor Beta - alpha and beta tests do a player wipe after completion
Neowiz has clearly stated that Steam Bless will NOT have any future player wipes - which means it's launched, it also means that it is not in Alpha nor Beta and does not meet criteria for Early Access.
Based ON WHAT? Your own personal opinion?
Games that released from early access without a player wipe... oh hmm, ALL OF THEM
They don't have to wipe anything from early access to the live game, there's nothing saying that they do, they can even sell in game items in early access... and this didn't start with Bless....
It's almost like you've never played an early access game before.
"Steam Early Access enables you to sell your game on Steam while it is still being developed, and provide context to customers that a product should be considered "unfinished." Early Access is a place for games that are in a playable alpha or beta state, are worth the current value of the playable build, and that you plan to continue to develop for release."
Bless is not in Alpha nor Beta - alpha and beta tests do a player wipe after completion
Neowiz has clearly stated that Steam Bless will NOT have any future player wipes - which means it's launched, it also means that it is not in Alpha nor Beta and does not meet criteria for Early Access.
Based ON WHAT? Your own personal opinion?
Games that released from early access without a player wipe... oh hmm, ALL OF THEM
They don't have to wipe anything from early access to the live game, there's nothing saying that they do, they can even sell in game items in early access... and this didn't start with Bless....
It's almost like you've never played an early access game before.
He's just a bad troll. Seriously. It was like :
1) He cries : Bless is to easy compared to JP - LOL 2) He cries : Bless is to hard now - LOL 3) He cries : Bless is...I don't know , but QQ-LOL
They announced that Paladin will never get the action reticle. That's funny.
I don't get how a game that has launched several times has these types of mistakes and foolery.
I literally went into the game to test out some of the "balance" changes. In testing I was able to put Gladiator (don't know about other classes) into a state where they literally can't do anything due to new cool downs + the dodge/miss/resist/immune table (which they claim they're changing at a later date).
Also they didn't take into consideration that because of their new "combo system" that skills that have extended cool down are buried behind ones that don't. Then you're left with options that you don't want. There's also skills they put cool downs on, but their exact counterparts under other stances are still there. They also put cool downs on skills you need to get to other skills because they don't want you getting to some other skill. It's like these idiots forgot they put the combo system in and are changing things like it's the old combat style.
Neowiz doesn't test changes, they just arbitrarily spitball fixes throw it out to see if it sticks. If there's a bad reaction to it, stir and repeat. It's like watching a little kid rush to do their homework so they can go watch TV.
No closed beta, no PTS, their internal QA must be some guy who just there for free food.
It's a s#!% show.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
They announced that Paladin will never get the action reticle. That's funny.
I don't get how a game that has launched several times has these types of mistakes and foolery.
I literally went into the game to test out some of the "balance" changes. In testing I was able to put Gladiator (don't know about other classes) into a state where they literally can't do anything due to new cool downs + the dodge/miss/resist/immune table (which they claim they're changing at a later date).
Also they didn't take into consideration that because of their new "combo system" that skills that have extended cool down are buried behind ones that don't. Then you're left with options that you don't want. There's also skills they put cool downs on, but their exact counterparts under other stances are still there. They also put cool downs on skills you need to get to other skills because they don't want you getting to some other skill. It's like these idiots forgot they put the combo system in and are changing things like it's the old combat style.
Neowiz doesn't test changes, they just arbitrarily spitball fixes throw it out to see if it sticks. If there's a bad reaction to it, stir and repeat. It's like watching a little kid rush to do their homework so they can go watch TV.
No closed beta, no PTS, their internal QA must be some guy who just there for free food.
It's a s#!% show.
For once I agree.
They took a few days out to make these "balance" changes, but ended up going too far.
7 seconds on biting cold, where 2 seconds would have fixed the issue? It's a combo OPENER, as well as a combo CLOSER in another segment. 7 seconds for a cooldown is an insane amount of time for a very low damage ability that sections off 6 other potential abilities, one of which is a delayed stun that is pretty much a necessity for the ice tactics line in PvE and PvP. Makes the entire tactic useless.
Then they did the same thing to Air Tactics LOL. People didn't use it because ice did more damage, when you use air in the same way, it pales in comparison, but still, a 2 second cooldown would have fixed the issue.
Then they didn't even touch paladin, which, even when berserker and mage were at their most broken, 1v1 paladin was a win EVERY TIME. It's the most overpowered class of them all and has been from the get go, with the only major thing done to paladin is they ENHANCED healing... and it hasn't even been touched in this last balance wave.
It's at the point where, if you're going to play, you might as well plan on playing FOTM style, just go to whatever is overpowered the most that week so you don't feel left out.
"Steam Early Access enables you to sell your game on Steam while it is still being developed, and provide context to customers that a product should be considered "unfinished." Early Access is a place for games that are in a playable alpha or beta state, are worth the current value of the playable build, and that you plan to continue to develop for release."
Bless is not in Alpha nor Beta - alpha and beta tests do a player wipe after completion
Neowiz has clearly stated that Steam Bless will NOT have any future player wipes - which means it's launched, it also means that it is not in Alpha nor Beta and does not meet criteria for Early Access.
Based ON WHAT? Your own personal opinion?
Games that released from early access without a player wipe... oh hmm, ALL OF THEM
They don't have to wipe anything from early access to the live game, there's nothing saying that they do, they can even sell in game items in early access... and this didn't start with Bless....
It's almost like you've never played an early access game before.
He's just a bad troll. Seriously. It was like :
1) He cries : Bless is to easy compared to JP - LOL 2) He cries : Bless is to hard now - LOL 3) He cries : Bless is...I don't know , but QQ-LOL
Yup, this is Kano!
Wasn't this Ice Ages alt account that just got banned lol?
You would THINK...HOPE that one developer would learn from all the mistakes that Blizzard makes. Blizzard is the absolute leader in nerfs and tweaking and re-nerfing and re-tweaking,it gets to be a joke after awhile,NEVER getting it right,never settling in with a final build. Now we see this Bless team doing the povp thing yet again and here we go,nerfs ,tweaks then re-nerfs re-tweaks,it is a never ending shit show of incompetence and being to clueless to what pvp brings and doesn't do right ..EVER and that is balance. So in the future can one of these devs LEARN something from years of watching comic con at ever rpg trying to be a pvp balancing act.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Did every single MMO launch you played have a dupe bug and a 1st week patch that nerfed player damage by 60% across the board too?
Bless was a bad launch
Arche age had the apex dupe that was known about on the Korean servers. And they had all kinds of wonderful programs like arche buddy. There were programs that allowed you to land hack, teleport hack, move underground, see people in stealth mode. There were bots running all over the place. There are videos of a heard of bots running 20-30 in a group. With a teleport hack you can just jump on someone from out of nowhere not even giving them a chance to fight back. Because in arche age who ever can stun first, wins. I would say that ability greatly nerfed a players damage.
Trion charged people $150 for early access for thier broken POS of a game so did neowiz. Both were trying to sell a broken overpriced game.
You would THINK...HOPE that one developer would learn from all the mistakes that Blizzard makes. Blizzard is the absolute leader in nerfs and tweaking and re-nerfing and re-tweaking,it gets to be a joke after awhile,NEVER getting it right,never settling in with a final build. Now we see this Bless team doing the povp thing yet again and here we go,nerfs ,tweaks then re-nerfs re-tweaks,it is a never ending shit show of incompetence and being to clueless to what pvp brings and doesn't do right ..EVER and that is balance. So in the future can one of these devs LEARN something from years of watching comic con at ever rpg trying to be a pvp balancing act.
In that respect Neowiz seems to be somewhat more honest than blizzard. Way back in the day blizzard had so little respect for it's player base in the patch notes they used to call a nerf, a buff like they were fooling someone.
"Steam Early Access enables you to sell your game on Steam while it is still being developed, and provide context to customers that a product should be considered "unfinished." Early Access is a place for games that are in a playable alpha or beta state, are worth the current value of the playable build, and that you plan to continue to develop for release."
Bless is not in Alpha nor Beta - alpha and beta tests do a player wipe after completion
Neowiz has clearly stated that Steam Bless will NOT have any future player wipes - which means it's launched, it also means that it is not in Alpha nor Beta and does not meet criteria for Early Access.
Based ON WHAT? Your own personal opinion?
Games that released from early access without a player wipe... oh hmm, ALL OF THEM
They don't have to wipe anything from early access to the live game, there's nothing saying that they do, they can even sell in game items in early access... and this didn't start with Bless....
It's almost like you've never played an early access game before.
He's just a bad troll. Seriously. It was like :
1) He cries : Bless is to easy compared to JP - LOL 2) He cries : Bless is to hard now - LOL 3) He cries : Bless is...I don't know , but QQ-LOL
Yup, this is Kano!
Wasn't this Ice Ages alt account that just got banned lol?
Did Ice Age get banned?! No gloating @Kyleran, promised....
Could my mild warning PLEASE get lifted then? Its been bugging me for weeks.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
"Steam Early Access enables you to sell your game on Steam while it is still being developed, and provide context to customers that a product should be considered "unfinished." Early Access is a place for games that are in a playable alpha or beta state, are worth the current value of the playable build, and that you plan to continue to develop for release."
Bless is not in Alpha nor Beta - alpha and beta tests do a player wipe after completion
Neowiz has clearly stated that Steam Bless will NOT have any future player wipes - which means it's launched, it also means that it is not in Alpha nor Beta and does not meet criteria for Early Access.
Based ON WHAT? Your own personal opinion?
Games that released from early access without a player wipe... oh hmm, ALL OF THEM
They don't have to wipe anything from early access to the live game, there's nothing saying that they do, they can even sell in game items in early access... and this didn't start with Bless....
It's almost like you've never played an early access game before.
He's just a bad troll. Seriously. It was like :
1) He cries : Bless is to easy compared to JP - LOL 2) He cries : Bless is to hard now - LOL 3) He cries : Bless is...I don't know , but QQ-LOL
Yup, this is Kano!
Wasn't this Ice Ages alt account that just got banned lol?
Did Ice Age get banned?! No gloating @Kyleran, promised....
Could my mild warning PLEASE get lifted then? Its been bugging me for weeks.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I've had a mild warning on my account since October, not sure they ever go away
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
"Steam Early Access enables you to sell your game on Steam while it is still being developed, and provide context to customers that a product should be considered "unfinished." Early Access is a place for games that are in a playable alpha or beta state, are worth the current value of the playable build, and that you plan to continue to develop for release."
Bless is not in Alpha nor Beta - alpha and beta tests do a player wipe after completion
Neowiz has clearly stated that Steam Bless will NOT have any future player wipes - which means it's launched, it also means that it is not in Alpha nor Beta and does not meet criteria for Early Access.
Based ON WHAT? Your own personal opinion?
Games that released from early access without a player wipe... oh hmm, ALL OF THEM
They don't have to wipe anything from early access to the live game, there's nothing saying that they do, they can even sell in game items in early access... and this didn't start with Bless....
It's almost like you've never played an early access game before.
He's just a bad troll. Seriously. It was like :
1) He cries : Bless is to easy compared to JP - LOL 2) He cries : Bless is to hard now - LOL 3) He cries : Bless is...I don't know , but QQ-LOL
Yup, this is Kano!
Wasn't this Ice Ages alt account that just got banned lol?
Did Ice Age get banned?! No gloating @Kyleran, promised....
Could my mild warning PLEASE get lifted then? Its been bugging me for weeks.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Good luck with that. I've had one for a year now lol.
"Steam Early Access enables you to sell your game on Steam while it is still being developed, and provide context to customers that a product should be considered "unfinished." Early Access is a place for games that are in a playable alpha or beta state, are worth the current value of the playable build, and that you plan to continue to develop for release."
Bless is not in Alpha nor Beta - alpha and beta tests do a player wipe after completion
Neowiz has clearly stated that Steam Bless will NOT have any future player wipes - which means it's launched, it also means that it is not in Alpha nor Beta and does not meet criteria for Early Access.
Based ON WHAT? Your own personal opinion?
Games that released from early access without a player wipe... oh hmm, ALL OF THEM
They don't have to wipe anything from early access to the live game, there's nothing saying that they do, they can even sell in game items in early access... and this didn't start with Bless....
It's almost like you've never played an early access game before.
He's just a bad troll. Seriously. It was like :
1) He cries : Bless is to easy compared to JP - LOL 2) He cries : Bless is to hard now - LOL 3) He cries : Bless is...I don't know , but QQ-LOL
Yup, this is Kano!
Wasn't this Ice Ages alt account that just got banned lol?
Did Ice Age get banned?! No gloating @Kyleran, promised....
Could my mild warning PLEASE get lifted then? Its been bugging me for weeks.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I've had a mild warning on my account since October, not sure they ever go away
"Steam Early Access enables you to sell your game on Steam while it is still being developed, and provide context to customers that a product should be considered "unfinished." Early Access is a place for games that are in a playable alpha or beta state, are worth the current value of the playable build, and that you plan to continue to develop for release."
Bless is not in Alpha nor Beta - alpha and beta tests do a player wipe after completion
Neowiz has clearly stated that Steam Bless will NOT have any future player wipes - which means it's launched, it also means that it is not in Alpha nor Beta and does not meet criteria for Early Access.
Based ON WHAT? Your own personal opinion?
Games that released from early access without a player wipe... oh hmm, ALL OF THEM
They don't have to wipe anything from early access to the live game, there's nothing saying that they do, they can even sell in game items in early access... and this didn't start with Bless....
It's almost like you've never played an early access game before.
He's just a bad troll. Seriously. It was like :
1) He cries : Bless is to easy compared to JP - LOL 2) He cries : Bless is to hard now - LOL 3) He cries : Bless is...I don't know , but QQ-LOL
Yup, this is Kano!
Wasn't this Ice Ages alt account that just got banned lol?
Did Ice Age get banned?! No gloating @Kyleran, promised....
Could my mild warning PLEASE get lifted then? Its been bugging me for weeks.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I've had a mild warning on my account since October, not sure they ever go away
I've had medium for about a year as well lol.
I have had Severe for a very long time , it has a blinding Red color:)
They dont go away , it used before they moved , not sure why it stays now ..
Its baffling that they would've had 0 cd on that many things in the first place. Regardless of how anyone feels about the game, one has to admit that this is pretty incompetent, especially given how long the game has been out in general. These are things that honestly should've been taken care of long before the thought of "releasing" should've been in mind.
Also they need to do something about diminishing returns because as I've seen things and people complaining about combat before the changes, people are still gonna get stun-locked regardless of their being cds or not, so there needs to be immunities put in place outside of class-break specific ones. Imagine if a paladin's stun in wow didn't have diminishing returns? People would freaking riot being constantly stunned for 5-6 seconds.
Pretty sure stuff use to happen like that in WoW. I know Shaman use to one shot people, that was fun. Stupid incompetent devs.
If you're talking about vanilla days? Sure. Making it to live in the past like 5 years? Not likely. Then again they do proper alpha/beta testing without asking for money so....
So you are saying that after 9 years of being live and having made billions, they could finally do proper testing without asking for money? who would have thought!
You can't be this dense, they've never done paid alpha/beta testing, even before vanilla went live also the game is 13 years old now, so yeah, who would've thought.
Yes I guess they did very little testing which is why it was one of the worst MMO launches in history with all sorts of balance issues! Stupid incompetent devs.
You're seriously going to defend paid alpha/beta testing, lol? Its not like Neowiz is some kind of indie development team. They've invested 60M into this title, which is obvious at this point where it all went into which is obviously not proper testing.
I will defend anything that is free market yes. Don't like? Don't pay.
The original devs who made Bless are gone, Neowiz hired noob devs over a year ago and tasked them with rework + Steam launch.
Needless to say - Neowiz has not self-published a MMO before, especially in the west + noob devs who are new to MMOs = disaster
Well I am not trying to convince anyone its the most amazing thing in the world ever. I am just asking for people to judge it reasonably without all the over the top BS. I don't see a disaster, when I think of disaster I tend to think of something like The Repopulation or Greed Monger. Maybe it's just because I think themeparks as a genre are extremely lacking and lazy design to begin with.
For a game that has failed multiple times in multiple regions - to launch in the state Bless did:
- Horrible optimization with wrong .ini settings - 5 year old dupe bug - Google translate localization so bad people were quitting in the tutorial - Guilds/Players split due to server locks and last minute additions - Only zerker has action mode - missing on all other classes - No QA team to test changes - Almost non-existent customer service - Disabled high/end game content - Broken combat skills
And the soon after launch - the patch that broke PvE by a huge damage nerf making progress impossible.
This is not a disaster to you?
You know it's bad when Steam was offering refunds past their standard 2 hours played time - that right there should tell you how bad the launch was.
- Horrible optimization - completely normal around launch
- 5 year old dupe bug - oversight resulting from localisation and lack of QA. Fixed within a couple of days and never became an issue effecting the gameplay.
- Google translate localization so bad people were quitting in the tutorial - find this hard to believe as I didn't see any issue with the translation at all, but then again I didn't start playing until Sunday so at worst...fixed, at best....more exaggeration.
- Guilds/Players split due to server locks and last minute additions - Wait are you saying they split the people who were already on servers onto different servers? Or just that they added new servers because the others were full? because the second option is a none issue.
- Only zerker has action mode - missing on all other classes - So what?
- No QA team to test changes - If there was it was probably pretty small, not great. Obviously a finance call, who knows, perhaps there was no other viable choice. But it is clear this is why they said 6 month roll out to smooth out changes and gave it the Early Access warning.
- Almost non-existent customer service - I don't know anything about it, not sure if this is something I would even include in the total disaster list for a launch, pretty sure they will be swamped right now like any other launch.
- Disabled high/end game content - This annoys me, it is not disabled as if you had some right to it. It is either not ready yet or part of the roll out plan to keep folks interested in playing as time moves on / or both. I don't think it is Neowiz' fault that you expected the full version that Japan have on day one of EA.
- Broken combat skills - Either fixed or being adjusted, has it even been a week yet?
No, this is not a disaster to me, as I already said, Greed Monger and The Repopulation were a disaster. This is just normal chaos of a launch that I have seen in almost every MMORPG launch.
This is far from normal launch.
GW2 and Rift was a normal launch for example - those are great example of an actual Normal launch should be like.
Use those as "normal" - didn't have optimization issues, no dupe bugs, ample server capacity, properly tested, functional classes and combat etc...
Not sure what you are using as "normal" - but it's not Bless
So now you want to use abnormal smooth launches as normal...OK!
Maybe we just played different games, because every single MMO I played at launch was really f'ed up for at least a month.
just a side note if you low expectation on how a product should be handled that is your problem a smooth launch is the norm to any thing you do, rocky and launch problems shouldnt be considered norm ever, and they should be not forgiven for it
The combat chain skills are actually just several skills reused in different order
Sometimes you simply CAN'T switch stances, you're just stuck
When you die in PVE you lose every single one of your runes, every single time
The Market never shows the proper information on gear
There's gear in the game with stats that don't even exist or serve purpose to the player
You have to exclusively dungeon crawl to get gear/items in an OWPVP game
Level 37 blue armor is end game gear right now
You can only pick 1 main craft, and a secondary but you NEED armorsmith to craft BiS gear (whenever they decide to release it) at 45 because no P2P trading
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
You can only pick 1 main craft, and a secondary but you NEED armorsmith to craft BiS gear (whenever they decide to release it) at 45 because no P2P trading
I know there's no player to player trading but can players not put up the stuff they craft onto the marketplace? If they can, then you don't really need armorsmithing to obtain BiS gear because you could just buy it off the marketplace no?
Granted with all the other stupid shit Neowiz has done with Bless, i wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't put the BiS gear made with armorsmithing up on the marketplace.
The combat chain skills are actually just several skills reused in different order
Sometimes you simply CAN'T switch stances, you're just stuck
When you die in PVE you lose every single one of your runes, every single time
The Market never shows the proper information on gear
There's gear in the game with stats that don't even exist or serve purpose to the player
You have to exclusively dungeon crawl to get gear/items in an OWPVP game
Level 37 blue armor is end game gear right now
You can only pick 1 main craft, and a secondary but you NEED armorsmith to craft BiS gear (whenever they decide to release it) at 45 because no P2P trading
You can only pick 1 main craft, and a secondary but you NEED armorsmith to craft BiS gear (whenever they decide to release it) at 45 because no P2P trading
I know there's no player to player trading but can players not put up the stuff they craft onto the marketplace? If they can, then you don't really need armorsmithing to obtain BiS gear because you could just buy it off the marketplace no?
Granted with all the other stupid shit Neowiz has done with Bless, i wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't put the BiS gear made with armorsmithing up on the marketplace.
I don't trust randoms to reasonably price anything. Farming the mats is bad enough, but not being able to collaborate with another a trusted source and have them craft for you is kinda bogus. The market place is dumpster juice too.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
You can only pick 1 main craft, and a secondary but you NEED armorsmith to craft BiS gear (whenever they decide to release it) at 45 because no P2P trading
I know there's no player to player trading but can players not put up the stuff they craft onto the marketplace? If they can, then you don't really need armorsmithing to obtain BiS gear because you could just buy it off the marketplace no?
Granted with all the other stupid shit Neowiz has done with Bless, i wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't put the BiS gear made with armorsmithing up on the marketplace.
I don't trust randoms to reasonably price anything. Farming the mats is bad enough, but not being able to collaborate with another a trusted source and have them craft for you is kinda bogus. The market place is dumpster juice too.
Correct me if i'm wrong but i thought Bless's marketplace system used the same system as BDO's. Players do not have the ability to price their items(well they're given a range but they can't price it for 100000g or 1g, they're given a range and it can only be priced within that range).
Don't get me wrong, i think that idea for a marketplace is completely horrid too. Same with no player to player trading. But just saying it should still be possible to get that BiS gear without having armorsmithing so long as people can list it on the marketplace.
The combat chain skills are actually just several skills reused in different order
Sometimes you simply CAN'T switch stances, you're just stuck
When you die in PVE you lose every single one of your runes, every single time
The Market never shows the proper information on gear
There's gear in the game with stats that don't even exist or serve purpose to the player
You have to exclusively dungeon crawl to get gear/items in an OWPVP game
Level 37 blue armor is end game gear right now
You can only pick 1 main craft, and a secondary but you NEED armorsmith to craft BiS gear (whenever they decide to release it) at 45 because no P2P trading
Thanks for beta testing for us. *feelsbadman*
I mean I could have (and still can) refund and walk away but I'm a bit more spiteful when it comes to janky product. I feel like me being honest about the game is more satisfying than getting the refund.
BTW, when you hit 45 (I didn't rush just played) all that's left to do is:
Level up your crafting
Maybe start an alt and be a fool all over again.
If you absolutely love dungeon crawling there's 3 dungeons (37 for gear, 43 & 45 for no reason Because immensely rare or no drops at all)
Maybe play Pokemon, but ATM the pet/mount buffs don't even matter.
Go randomly bother people while they're trying to level (the TTK and peace pots make it not even worth the trouble)
Going back trying to be cute and farm lower level gear to break down into upgrade mats won't work.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
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Bless launch was not perfect, none of them are.
What I can say though is Bless devs are reacting faster to these issues than most all other companies I can remember.
Bless IS following the Steam's definition of an Early Access game, else it would NOT be on Steam.
Steam got SOFT in the face of QQ-ers for giving refunds which should NOT give. I agree with the 2 hours refund. I even agree with 5 hours, because..reasons. But refunding players which spend 20-30-40 hours is just bad image for Steam. And don't bullshit me that this players which spent 20/40 hours spent the most time in loading screen. The ones in the 2/5 hours , fine .. 10 hours, can be put in this category. But that's it.
Other then that , ANY reasons beside not being able to login , and play the game stable for few hours to make a decision are NOT reasons to refund in Early Access.
Here, let me make a..."picture" for you to understand better :
This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development.
Nerf QQ again? Is fixed and is WAY better then it was before.
Btw, YOU, Kano , cried over before the Nerf, saying how easy is Bless compared to JP. Now you cry that they made the game harder? LOL.
Games that released from early access without a player wipe... oh hmm, ALL OF THEM
They don't have to wipe anything from early access to the live game, there's nothing saying that they do, they can even sell in game items in early access... and this didn't start with Bless....
It's almost like you've never played an early access game before.
1) He cries : Bless is to easy compared to JP - LOL
2) He cries : Bless is to hard now - LOL
3) He cries : Bless is...I don't know , but QQ-LOL
Yup, this is Kano!
I don't get how a game that has launched several times has these types of mistakes and foolery.
I literally went into the game to test out some of the "balance" changes. In testing I was able to put Gladiator (don't know about other classes) into a state where they literally can't do anything due to new cool downs + the dodge/miss/resist/immune table (which they claim they're changing at a later date).
Also they didn't take into consideration that because of their new "combo system" that skills that have extended cool down are buried behind ones that don't. Then you're left with options that you don't want. There's also skills they put cool downs on, but their exact counterparts under other stances are still there. They also put cool downs on skills you need to get to other skills because they don't want you getting to some other skill. It's like these idiots forgot they put the combo system in and are changing things like it's the old combat style.
Neowiz doesn't test changes, they just arbitrarily spitball fixes throw it out to see if it sticks. If there's a bad reaction to it, stir and repeat. It's like watching a little kid rush to do their homework so they can go watch TV.
No closed beta, no PTS, their internal QA must be some guy who just there for free food.
It's a s#!% show.
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They took a few days out to make these "balance" changes, but ended up going too far.
7 seconds on biting cold, where 2 seconds would have fixed the issue? It's a combo OPENER, as well as a combo CLOSER in another segment. 7 seconds for a cooldown is an insane amount of time for a very low damage ability that sections off 6 other potential abilities, one of which is a delayed stun that is pretty much a necessity for the ice tactics line in PvE and PvP. Makes the entire tactic useless.
Then they did the same thing to Air Tactics LOL. People didn't use it because ice did more damage, when you use air in the same way, it pales in comparison, but still, a 2 second cooldown would have fixed the issue.
Then they didn't even touch paladin, which, even when berserker and mage were at their most broken, 1v1 paladin was a win EVERY TIME. It's the most overpowered class of them all and has been from the get go, with the only major thing done to paladin is they ENHANCED healing... and it hasn't even been touched in this last balance wave.
It's at the point where, if you're going to play, you might as well plan on playing FOTM style, just go to whatever is overpowered the most that week so you don't feel left out.
Blizzard is the absolute leader in nerfs and tweaking and re-nerfing and re-tweaking,it gets to be a joke after awhile,NEVER getting it right,never settling in with a final build.
Now we see this Bless team doing the povp thing yet again and here we go,nerfs ,tweaks then re-nerfs re-tweaks,it is a never ending shit show of incompetence and being to clueless to what pvp brings and doesn't do right ..EVER and that is balance.
So in the future can one of these devs LEARN something from years of watching comic con at ever rpg trying to be a pvp balancing act.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Could my mild warning PLEASE get lifted then? Its been bugging me for weeks.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
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Thanks for beta testing for us. *feelsbadman*
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BTW, when you hit 45 (I didn't rush just played) all that's left to do is:
Going back trying to be cute and farm lower level gear to break down into upgrade mats won't work.
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Wow. Gullibility intensifies.