I bet there is a ton of satisfaction just outright buying the item....pffft. This only confirms that cash shops and rmt have no business in gaming. What is bothersome is that during my early days of FFXi and seeing how rmt ruined the entire economy,there were a VERY high majority of people who don't GET IT,the stupidity is overwhelming.
"Who cares what someone else wants to do with their own money" "Why would you care what they do with their money" some of the common phrases mentioned.To me that IQ is worse than a 5th grader because even very young children often have some good common sense,not always but often. The idea of an auction house is to support the IN GAME economy and NOT outside interference of ANY kind but of course ALL these crappy cartoon game developers are trying to cash in big on low budget games.That is why we see numbers like million...billions of dollars made from f2p cartoon crap.Costs them 1-2 hundred k to make the game ,very little monitoring,most of the effort goes into running the store front and support more for that than the actual game.
My final comment...good job all those people that support these garbage developers. IN b4 some asshat says "they have to eat too you know".The money these operations are making could feed a whole city.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
If i had 60k to blow like that it would not be on a virtual item that you still technically do not own good way to flush 60k down the drain.
The reason you feel like this is because you don't have the massive amount of money that would make 60K seem like nothing, your mindset is still that 60K is a big deal.
Imaging having over a billion dollars in savings, and you already have the cars, the villas all over the world, the private jets - pretty much everything you'd ever want you already have all that - now from that mindset - what does spending $60K on a virtual mount mean to you? Yep - nothing.
Gotta put yourself in the right mindset.
(as a note - I am not suggesting the person who spent 60K is that wealthy - was just an example of thinking from a different mindset)
Pretty much this.
When one has money, and has everything, and their money is making MORE money, spending money on "whatever" is not a big deal.
All one would have to do is to bring it home and look at their own spending.
Maybe spending 15 per month is no big deal or even spending $60 on a game is no big deal. Yet there are people just scraping by who would (should) never do that.
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If i had 60k to blow like that it would not be on a virtual item that you still technically do not own good way to flush 60k down the drain.
The reason you feel like this is because you don't have the massive amount of money that would make 60K seem like nothing, your mindset is still that 60K is a big deal.
Imaging having over a billion dollars in savings, and you already have the cars, the villas all over the world, the private jets - pretty much everything you'd ever want you already have all that - now from that mindset - what does spending $60K on a virtual mount mean to you? Yep - nothing.
Gotta put yourself in the right mindset.
(as a note - I am not suggesting the person who spent 60K is that wealthy - was just an example of thinking from a different mindset)
I’m so bored of my exotic sports cars... private jets... villas in the French Riviere...
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Remember when people cheered because loot crates are outlawed in Belgium. Everyone cheered it as a win talking about how important small steps forward are? I said it won't solve anything because it doesn't address predatory monetization and here we are with predatory monetization, not using loot crates, in a player driven virtual trade market.
We need regulation addressing predatory monetization at the root, not the the fruit (loot crates). It doesn't matter if this is money laundering or someone with more money than sense, the environment shouldn't allow for this sort of gross negligence.
Have fun with your mediocre whale driven milk machines like Path of Exile and Warframe. I can hear it now, "But but but those are player friendly, cries the western gamer." /smh
I think you may be placing too much blame on the consumer for trying to create a realistic paradigm around the current environment.
Railing against the microtransaction/real money market wave in general, at this point in the industry's condition, is akin to railing against smartphones in general, or the internet in general. It's become so essential to the industry that folks will just look at you like you're crazy (we have folks on this very site who will argue til they're blue in the face that this is the greatest thing for consumers since sliced bread). And it didn't even have to be super popular to reach that point; the essence of what a microtransaction is means devs can offer it with little to no effort, and can churn out more and more of the small, microtransaction content to cover the cost it may present by turning away some gamers. Microtransactions were built, from the ground up, to tell the majority of gamers to fuck off and not give a damn about it. A producer's wet dream.
I feel an industry crash is more likely than regulations addressing predatory monetization itself at this point.
EDIT- not sure why the LOL, considering I never said I thought the above described climate was a good thing.
Not surprised as it depends on what that persons budget is. So 60K for that person may be like $600 for me. That high end $27K ship pack in SC is probably owned by a few people and I remember one guy said he was buying two of everything so his friends could borrow his ships, that would be 54K spent for an alpha with no guarantees.
I commented that was a lot of money and some guy posted pictures of the private jet he said he had just bought, with a lot of selfies of him actually in the plane with the stewardesses as he was taking it back to his home country.
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If i had 60k to blow like that it would not be on a virtual item that you still technically do not own good way to flush 60k down the drain.
The reason you feel like this is because you don't have the massive amount of money that would make 60K seem like nothing, your mindset is still that 60K is a big deal.
Imaging having over a billion dollars in savings, and you already have the cars, the villas all over the world, the private jets - pretty much everything you'd ever want you already have all that - now from that mindset - what does spending $60K on a virtual mount mean to you? Yep - nothing.
Gotta put yourself in the right mindset.
(as a note - I am not suggesting the person who spent 60K is that wealthy - was just an example of thinking from a different mindset)
Pretty much this.
When one has money, and has everything, and their money is making MORE money, spending money on "whatever" is not a big deal.
All one would have to do is to bring it home and look at their own spending.
Maybe spending 15 per month is no big deal or even spending $60 on a game is no big deal. Yet there are people just scraping by who would (should) never do that.
One millionaire said during an interview he can buy pretty much whatever he wants. If he spends to much he just stops buying stuff for a little while and the interest earned restores his funds back to the original amounts he had before.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
I bet there is a ton of satisfaction just outright buying the item....pffft. This only confirms that cash shops and rmt have no business in gaming. What is bothersome is that during my early days of FFXi and seeing how rmt ruined the entire economy,there were a VERY high majority of people who don't GET IT,the stupidity is overwhelming.
"Who cares what someone else wants to do with their own money" "Why would you care what they do with their money" some of the common phrases mentioned.To me that IQ is worse than a 5th grader because even very young children often have some good common sense,not always but often. The idea of an auction house is to support the IN GAME economy and NOT outside interference of ANY kind but of course ALL these crappy cartoon game developers are trying to cash in big on low budget games.That is why we see numbers like million...billions of dollars made from f2p cartoon crap.Costs them 1-2 hundred k to make the game ,very little monitoring,most of the effort goes into running the store front and support more for that than the actual game.
My final comment...good job all those people that support these garbage developers. IN b4 some asshat says "they have to eat too you know".The money these operations are making could feed a whole city.
Pretty sure someone in business sees this as being very good for business. Especially by your "submission" that mobile games only take a few hundred thousand to make, which means that enough popularity to get a couple of whales for sure pays for any possible investment...
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Though lets be serious a few hundred thousand doesn't even pay for making the back end tracking systems for a mobile game. Since they really need to find which levers they can manipulate their audience with, and deal with interfacing with a few dozen 3rd party systems to de-anonymize their users to figure out who to squeeze and target on an individual basis (these types of developers literally brag about making an item only appear as a possible drop after X amount was spent, since they knew a specific whale's favorite sports team).
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If i had 60k to blow like that it would not be on a virtual item that you still technically do not own good way to flush 60k down the drain.
The reason you feel like this is because you don't have the massive amount of money that would make 60K seem like nothing, your mindset is still that 60K is a big deal.
Imaging having over a billion dollars in savings, and you already have the cars, the villas all over the world, the private jets - pretty much everything you'd ever want you already have all that - now from that mindset - what does spending $60K on a virtual mount mean to you? Yep - nothing.
Gotta put yourself in the right mindset.
(as a note - I am not suggesting the person who spent 60K is that wealthy - was just an example of thinking from a different mindset)
Pretty much this.
When one has money, and has everything, and their money is making MORE money, spending money on "whatever" is not a big deal.
All one would have to do is to bring it home and look at their own spending.
Maybe spending 15 per month is no big deal or even spending $60 on a game is no big deal. Yet there are people just scraping by who would (should) never do that.
This is such a bullshit copout. Do you have any evidence that a demographic that can afford to toss that kind of money away is doing so on poor people video games?
According to Barron's in 2015 there were 6.8M people/households with $1M - $5M in investible assets. $60K is 6% of $1M. Does it sound reasonable that frugal fiscally responsible people spend money like that? It does not to me. Those with $20M or more number at just over 270K (again in 2015).
How much money does one need to have in order to flush it down the toilet? How much money does one need to have in order to make 60 grand negligible? You know who spends money like that? Poor people who get rich quick and have no idea how to manage money, celebrities, lotto winners, those Peter Principle candidates who are temporarily promoted into a well paying job beyond their ability.
You and Kano are right, that Hellscream feels like that because they don't have massive amounts of money to foolishly blow, but you're implying and leaping to a conclusion, without proof, that there is a rich demographic doing so. If you're going to call them wrong, the burden of proof is on you.
I must admit I assumed it was always millionaires spending the big money in SC but one magazine interviewed some of the big ingame spenders. One guy had a family to support and took on a second job to support his spending in the game. Another guy used some bonus money, if I remember correctly. Still another guy formed a corp. with the people he worked with and everyone pooled their money. Also, there will always be impulse buyers who spend the money simply because it's there to be spent.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
If i had 60k to blow like that it would not be on a virtual item that you still technically do not own good way to flush 60k down the drain.
The reason you feel like this is because you don't have the massive amount of money that would make 60K seem like nothing, your mindset is still that 60K is a big deal.
Imaging having over a billion dollars in savings, and you already have the cars, the villas all over the world, the private jets - pretty much everything you'd ever want you already have all that - now from that mindset - what does spending $60K on a virtual mount mean to you? Yep - nothing.
Gotta put yourself in the right mindset.
(as a note - I am not suggesting the person who spent 60K is that wealthy - was just an example of thinking from a different mindset)
Pretty much this.
When one has money, and has everything, and their money is making MORE money, spending money on "whatever" is not a big deal.
All one would have to do is to bring it home and look at their own spending.
Maybe spending 15 per month is no big deal or even spending $60 on a game is no big deal. Yet there are people just scraping by who would (should) never do that.
This is such a bullshit copout. Do you have any evidence that a demographic that can afford to toss that kind of money away is doing so on poor people video games?
According to Barron's in 2015 there were 6.8M people/households with $1M - $5M in investible assets. $60K is 6% of $1M. Does it sound reasonable that frugal fiscally responsible people spend money like that? It does not to me. Those with $20M or more number at just over 270K (again in 2015).
How much money does one need to have in order to flush it down the toilet? How much money does one need to have in order to make 60 grand negligible? You know who spends money like that? Poor people who get rich quick and have no idea how to manage money, celebrities, lotto winners, those Peter Principle candidates who are temporarily promoted into a well paying job beyond their ability.
You and Kano are right, that Hellscream feels like that because they don't have massive amounts of money to foolishly blow, but you're implying and leaping to a conclusion, without proof, that there is a rich demographic doing so. If you're going to call them wrong, the burden of proof is on you.
I must admit I assumed it was always millionaires spending the big money in SC but one magazine interviewed some of the big ingame spenders. One guy had a family to support and took on a second job to support his spending in the game. Another guy used some bonus money, if I remember correctly. Still another guy formed a corp. with the people he worked with and everyone pooled their money. Also, there will always be impulse buyers who spend the money simply because it's there to be spent.
go to a trailer park in the South and look at all the Cameros
Remember when people cheered because loot crates are outlawed in Belgium. Everyone cheered it as a win talking about how important small steps forward are? I said it won't solve anything because it doesn't address predatory monetization and here we are with predatory monetization, not using loot crates, in a player driven virtual trade market.
We need regulation addressing predatory monetization at the root, not the the fruit (loot crates). It doesn't matter if this is money laundering or someone with more money than sense, the environment shouldn't allow for this sort of gross negligence.
Have fun with your mediocre whale driven milk machines like Path of Exile and Warframe. I can hear it now, "But but but those are player friendly, cries the western gamer." /smh
You do know that price was set by a player on the player drivin auction house...... You are rambling on about is something from the company this was a transaction between players not company and players
If i had 60k to blow like that it would not be on a virtual item that you still technically do not own good way to flush 60k down the drain.
The reason you feel like this is because you don't have the massive amount of money that would make 60K seem like nothing, your mindset is still that 60K is a big deal.
Imaging having over a billion dollars in savings, and you already have the cars, the villas all over the world, the private jets - pretty much everything you'd ever want you already have all that - now from that mindset - what does spending $60K on a virtual mount mean to you? Yep - nothing.
Gotta put yourself in the right mindset.
(as a note - I am not suggesting the person who spent 60K is that wealthy - was just an example of thinking from a different mindset)
Pretty much this.
When one has money, and has everything, and their money is making MORE money, spending money on "whatever" is not a big deal.
All one would have to do is to bring it home and look at their own spending.
Maybe spending 15 per month is no big deal or even spending $60 on a game is no big deal. Yet there are people just scraping by who would (should) never do that.
This is such a bullshit copout. Do you have any evidence that a demographic that can afford to toss that kind of money away is doing so on poor people video games?
According to Barron's in 2015 there were 6.8M people/households with $1M - $5M in investible assets. $60K is 6% of $1M. Does it sound reasonable that frugal fiscally responsible people spend money like that? It does not to me. Those with $20M or more number at just over 270K (again in 2015).
How much money does one need to have in order to flush it down the toilet? How much money does one need to have in order to make 60 grand negligible? You know who spends money like that? Poor people who get rich quick and have no idea how to manage money, celebrities, lotto winners, those Peter Principle candidates who are temporarily promoted into a well paying job beyond their ability.
You and Kano are right, that Hellscream feels like that because they don't have massive amounts of money to foolishly blow, but you're implying and leaping to a conclusion, without proof, that there is a rich demographic doing so. If you're going to call them wrong, the burden of proof is on you.
I must admit I assumed it was always millionaires spending the big money in SC but one magazine interviewed some of the big ingame spenders. One guy had a family to support and took on a second job to support his spending in the game. Another guy used some bonus money, if I remember correctly. Still another guy formed a corp. with the people he worked with and everyone pooled their money. Also, there will always be impulse buyers who spend the money simply because it's there to be spent.
go to a trailer park in the South and look at all the Cameros
Where I grew up their were people who had to have the latest name brands. Nothing made them happier then to have the newest Air Jordans on as they walked down the street. I'm glad I'm not into name brands as that can be much more expensive then gaming.
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Well, a guy did just pay ~3million dollars for a tuna. Not sure which was the worse purchase. Even If the guy puts the fish in his restarants, its still a 3 million dollar fish.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
Whoa Whoa Whoa. This is South East Asia. The proper conversion is BBC to Philipinne Peso, or 1 BBC per 10 pesos. When you convert it to USD, that's around $68k. I can see someone from Singapore or Hong Kong spending this amount considering the money flowing through this area. Heck Entropia sold property for $635k.
If I had millions of in-game currency obtained from in game, or Real Life money laying around and wanted something that bad becuase I cared about collecting a very rare set "Absolutely".
Great to know some games such as "EVE Online" and "Ragnarok" are still allowing trading of Real Money to virtual currency and a truly free economy unlike some of the recent games released last year which are pretty much already dead due to trying to enforce strict trading limits / rules while EVE, and other games still are doing great.
Though i'm mostly grinding League OF Legends at the moment for the event i've actually re-subbed my EVE Online account for a year just to train my characters in-case I start playing again.
Seems mobile games are really lucrative in this day and age. If that guy spent $60k on one item I wonder what his total amount spent in game is. This guy spent $70k in Fate?Grand Order-
Seems mobile games are really lucrative in this day and age. If that guy spent $60k on one item I wonder what his total amount spent in game is. This guy spent $70k in Fate?Grand Order-
That's priceless. "They don't know how much I spend on the game." Well, they probably do now.
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To play devil's advocate, this guy could be pretty wealthy. 60k could be nothing to him/her. It's like me making shitty investments into Marvel Strike Force. I've spent over 1k over the year but I make decent money so Im not really worried about it. Is it supporting their bad tactics? Yeah, maybe. But, thats a different story.
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This only confirms that cash shops and rmt have no business in gaming.
What is bothersome is that during my early days of FFXi and seeing how rmt ruined the entire economy,there were a VERY high majority of people who don't GET IT,the stupidity is overwhelming.
"Who cares what someone else wants to do with their own money" "Why would you care what they do with their money" some of the common phrases mentioned.To me that IQ is worse than a 5th grader because even very young children often have some good common sense,not always but often.
The idea of an auction house is to support the IN GAME economy and NOT outside interference of ANY kind but of course ALL these crappy cartoon game developers are trying to cash in big on low budget games.That is why we see numbers like million...billions of dollars made from f2p cartoon crap.Costs them 1-2 hundred k to make the game ,very little monitoring,most of the effort goes into running the store front and support more for that than the actual game.
My final comment...good job all those people that support these garbage developers.
IN b4 some asshat says "they have to eat too you know".The money these operations are making could feed a whole city.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
The article has meaning no matter who is right or wrong on the math,it is the idea behind rmt that matters,not the math..6k or 60k does it matter?
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Railing against the microtransaction/real money market wave in general, at this point in the industry's condition, is akin to railing against smartphones in general, or the internet in general. It's become so essential to the industry that folks will just look at you like you're crazy (we have folks on this very site who will argue til they're blue in the face that this is the greatest thing for consumers since sliced bread). And it didn't even have to be super popular to reach that point; the essence of what a microtransaction is means devs can offer it with little to no effort, and can churn out more and more of the small, microtransaction content to cover the cost it may present by turning away some gamers. Microtransactions were built, from the ground up, to tell the majority of gamers to fuck off and not give a damn about it. A producer's wet dream.
I feel an industry crash is more likely than regulations addressing predatory monetization itself at this point.
EDIT- not sure why the LOL, considering I never said I thought the above described climate was a good thing.
I commented that was a lot of money and some guy posted pictures of the private jet he said he had just bought, with a lot of selfies of him actually in the plane with the stewardesses as he was taking it back to his home country.
Some prices paid for virtual goods.
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"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
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"At one point technology meant making tech that could get to the moon, now it means making tech that could get you a taxi."
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
You do know that price was set by a player on the player drivin auction house...... You are rambling on about is something from the company this was a transaction between players not company and players
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I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
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Great to know some games such as "EVE Online" and "Ragnarok" are still allowing trading of Real Money to virtual currency and a truly free economy unlike some of the recent games released last year which are pretty much already dead due to trying to enforce strict trading limits / rules while EVE, and other games still are doing great.
Though i'm mostly grinding League OF Legends at the moment for the event i've actually re-subbed my EVE Online account for a year just to train my characters in-case I start playing again.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey