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Lot of WoW players coming to ESO lately, we are happy to have you BUT...

klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,949
edited January 2019 in The Pub at MMORPG.COM
I know this is going to sound "ranty" but please leave all that WoW drama in WoW. We usually have a peaceful and mature setting, we would like to keep it that way as much as possible. I'm not saying WoW players aren't welcome, just WoW drama isn't welcome. Last night in zone chat there was literally a never ending debate about WoW Lore which turned into WoW guild drama, which turned into the biggest D measuring contest I've ever seen in ESO.

People started spitting out Guild size, gear scores and raid times, guild leaders, etc as if it made their statements more valid, someone mentioned trump, and then that turned into a political battle and I just...here we go.

I have been in ESO since the first closed Beta and I have never seen the shit that happened last night in ESO ever. I actually for the first time had to cut zone off. 

I can only say to the WoW players incoming, please remember this is not trade chat. We have fun, we def do have our shares of debates over ESO related things, but they never go as far as personal insults or threats being made. We tend to be very helpful to new players but the rampant racism, political taunts, sexist remarks, toxicity etc..  Please keep all that stuff for WoW.  People tend to be more mature in ESO. 

I wonder if this is just how it is in MMOs in general, because you have so many people from different walks of life doing one thing. I cant be sure, but I will say ESO was a lot more tame until recently. Again super happy people are coming over to check it out, but please don't bring any wow drama with you. You get to roll a new character. 

EDIT: If you need help with your character don't be afraid to ask, people are generally nice. We don't antagonize people for asking questions about Lore, Builds, anything. 
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  • samooryesordsamooryesord Member UncommonPosts: 105
    edited January 2019
    That is what we in the WoW community like to refer to as "Barrens Chat"
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  • PalebanePalebane Member RarePosts: 4,011
    edited January 2019
    That often happens with success. If ESO gets more popular, expect what you describe to get worse, imo. The developers may even begin to cater more to these newcomers.
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  • GaladournGaladourn Member RarePosts: 1,813
    I guess ESO serves as a stepping stone until Classic WoW releases, hence the number of players pouring in.
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  • d_20d_20 Member RarePosts: 1,878
    edited January 2019
    Arterius said:
    I just hope everything level out politically after Donald Trump leaves office after his second term
    This is baiting. 
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  • SaunZSaunZ Member UncommonPosts: 472
    in ESO the scary things are:   Wardens, WoW Players and Eskimos

    Sz  :)
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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,779
    Palebane said:
    That often happens with success. If ESO gets more popular, expect what you describe to get worse, imo. The developers may even begin to cater more to these newcomers.
    Three situations cause this and it isn't just the WoW crowd. It's just the general gaming crowd who doesn't usually care to play MMORPG's that act like this. The first situation is when a game comes out, if it has any sort of hype, and a large playerbase at launch it usually devolves into this type of crap, but the second the first month goes by it usually dies down as these people have short ass attention spans. Second situation would be if a game has a sudden burst of new players due to a sale or some ad or something (which ends up the same). Third is if a game goes F2P. I don't know what happened in ESO to cause it but I know for a fact 90% of the MMORPG's I've played have this kind of crap and it's usually only when they have a big burst of players come in.
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  • TokkenTokken Member EpicPosts: 3,649
    They won't stay in ESO long........... totally different type of game..... and IMO, sucks.
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,949
    Tokken said:
    They won't stay in ESO long........... totally different type of game..... and IMO, sucks.
    Maybe they wont stay long, but I don't think its because it "sucks." That's a stong stance to take on ESO. It's has its flaws but "sucks" isn't one of them.

    I can name 50 MMOs that suck. ESO isn't one of them boss. 
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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    edited January 2019
    That sounds like guidelines to join a guild, not to play a game. I'm sure those dramatic turds who leave any mmo, not just WOW, and decide to pay for ESO wont care about this thread. It's their money vs your desire to keep the game clean. They just wont join your guild. Unfortunately, drama will still exist and ESO is not free of it. It's just not as loud.
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,949
    edited January 2019
    That sounds like guidelines to join a guild, not to play a game. I'm sure those dramatic turds who leave any mmo, not just WOW, and decide to pay for ESO wont care about this thread. It's their money vs your desire to keep the game clean. They just wont join your guild. Unfortunately, drama will still exist.
    lol well these are just my thoughts on what i experienced last night. I don't own a guild to advertise, i just don't want to see the community become super waste. I posted my thoughts on several forums including the official games because I'm hoping to get the message out that its annoying at best and at worse fucks up other people's experience.

    True they can do whatever they want but that doesn't mean the people who are inadvertently pulled into their bs shouldn't say anything. 

    People who think online games are a platform to "do what i want"  aren't the only customers. 

    EDIT: I never said drama doesn't exist in ESO but compared to WoW.. people seem to know how to handle it far better. Again, the biggest influence in WoW seems to be toxic behavior. People there have no problem with it because its normalized there. I'm saying its not that way in ESO and it would be cool to keep it that way
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  • d_20d_20 Member RarePosts: 1,878
    edited January 2019

    delete


  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    edited January 2019
    This only eludes to something i mentioned many times in the past,Blizzard games are built around  BRAGGING.I witnessed the same thing and it bothered in EQ2 as well.
    The scenario is usually one where somebody will ask a serious game question and NOBODY answers or wants to be helpful.THEN as soon as someone says anything stupid the entire server erupts and then their guild bands together and becomes a riot war.
    Point being it seems that around the time of Wow/eq2 the same time all those immature kids became DSL junkies,gaming became a bad hangout.

    In comes the terms like TROLL..HATER..gamer first,guild first,ranking,end game,gear scores,streaming for money,Esport,twitter,reddit yada yada all kinds of crap,everything except the kitchen sink but NOTHING to do with good fun gaming.
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  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,949
    Wizardry said:
    This only eludes to something i mentioned many times in the past,Blizzard games are built around  BRAGGING.I witnessed the same thing and it bothered in EQ2 as well.
    The scenario is usually one where somebody will ask a serious game question and NOBODY answers or wants to be helpful.THEN as soon as someone says anything stupid the entire server erupts and then their guild bands together and becomes a riot war.
    Point being it seems that around the time of Wow/eq2 the same time all those immature kids became DSL junkies,gaming became a bad hangout.

    In comes the terms like TROLL..HATER..gamer first,guild first,ranking,end game,gear scores,streaming for money,Esport,twitter,reddit yada yada all kinds of crap,everything except the kitchen sink but NOTHING to do with good fun gaming.
    I quit playing after cata released but i remember for sure people asking for help and your exact scenario happened. People say little to nothing until the person asking says something "stupid" 
    "Beliefs don't change facts. Facts, if you're reasonable, should change your beliefs."


    "The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."



     
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  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 4,045
    Yeah, you dont want those WoW players coming in with their insults and elitism .....thats what we have ESO players for.

    I played PC ESO for a couple years and the awful community is one of the main reasons I will NEVER play ESO again.
    klash2def
  • klash2defklash2def Member EpicPosts: 1,949
    edited January 2019
    Xiaoki said:
    Yeah, you dont want those WoW players coming in with their insults and elitism .....thats what we have ESO players for.

    I played PC ESO for a couple years and the awful community is one of the main reasons I will NEVER play ESO again.
    I cant speak to your personal experience but most people who have played ESO say the same thing about how helpful people are. ESO has one of the best as far as helping others, communities. There are far more helpful people than Elitist. Cant say that for WoW. 
    rosej90
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    "The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."



     
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Tokken said:
    They won't stay in ESO long........... totally different type of game..... and IMO, sucks.
    If they have left they may well leave ESO but it would be doubtful if they would return to WoW until - at the earliest - the next xpac.
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    ESO uses mega-servers - so will be hard to tell. 

    ESO - probably - has a lot more EU/US players than WoW though - remember no subscription is needed so I reckon any influx will be easily absorbed.

    Either way though there are a lot of good casual guilds in the game - good for starters - as well as more focused guilds that may not give new players the time of day! Join some; turn on guild chat; see if they are for you and if not leave. Same story in most games.
  • KalebGraysonKalebGrayson Member RarePosts: 430
    Lets hope the bad community folks find a way to go back or stay in WOW.
    rosej90
  • HarikenHariken Member EpicPosts: 2,680
    Palebane said:
    That often happens with success. If ESO gets more popular, expect what you describe to get worse, imo. The developers may even begin to cater more to these newcomers.
    Just do what I do and turn chat off or pick what channels you want. I do this in all MMO's now since Trump.
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  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 4,045
    klash2def said:
    Xiaoki said:
    Yeah, you dont want those WoW players coming in with their insults and elitism .....thats what we have ESO players for.

    I played PC ESO for a couple years and the awful community is one of the main reasons I will NEVER play ESO again.
    I cant speak to your personal experience but most people who have played ESO say the same thing about how helpful people are. ESO has one of the best as far as helping others, communities. There are far more helpful people than Elitist. Cant say that for WoW. 
    From my personal experience the ESO community is far worse than the WoW community.
    Trying to do any dungeons at max level was what finally drove me away from ESO for good. After getting kicked from almost all of the groups because I didnt know the dungeon, or was trying to play a tank or wasnt animation cancelling I can most definitely say that the ESO community is far from helpful.

    I play on 6 different servers in WoW and have run into many helpful people and very little elitism. When was the last time you played WoW? Have you ever played WoW?
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    Xiaoki said:
    klash2def said:
    <snip>
    From my personal experience the ESO community is far worse than the WoW community.
    Trying to do any dungeons at max level was what finally drove me away from ESO for good. After getting kicked from almost all of the groups because I didnt know the dungeon, or was trying to play a tank or wasnt animation cancelling I can most definitely say that the ESO community is far from helpful.

    I play on 6 different servers in WoW and have run into many helpful people and very little elitism. When was the last time you played WoW? Have you ever played WoW?
    No. Sorry. If you join a party in WoW to play a max level dungeon / raid and
    a) you don't know the dungeon or
    b) claimed to be a tank but were failing to tank
    c) your dps or healing was lower than whatever the group were using to measure stats

    you would be kicked. Period.

    If you want to play ESO in a casual fashion then you can. Unlike you I won't claim that you won't find some idiot but by and large and on the whole and imo its less likely in my experience of playing both.
  • moshramoshra Member RarePosts: 400
    Lmao, the whole ESO community would "never go as far as personal insults or threats being made. We tend to be very helpful to new players but the rampant racism, political taunts, sexist remarks, toxicity etc..  Please keep all that stuff for WoW.  People tend to be more mature in ESO."

    Every community has it's fair share of trolls and elitists.  You're incredibly naive if you think otherwise.  If I had to guess, you saw WoW pop up in your zone chat and it triggered you enough to send you to multiple gaming communities to bitch about it. 

    Jump on down from that soap box of yours and play your game.  Maybe be the more "mature" person and ignore the people that are bugging you.  


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  • Dick1232Dick1232 Member UncommonPosts: 54
    Ugh , WoW is seeing an influx. I know he few loud morons here think otherwise , but my guild grows daily, and a lot are from ESO.
  • k61977k61977 Member EpicPosts: 1,526
    I am going to be honest I have seen this in ESO since the betas.  It isn't something that is new, nor is this just coming from WoW players.  I hate that it is that way an that people want to bring other games into whatever they are currently playing or real world issues, but some people just can't seem to help themselves.  Now when ESO first got it's big make over a couple years back there wasn't nearly as many players and you might not have seen it as much but it was still there.  So to say this is something that is new isn't true at all.  It has been there from day one, just not as bad as it may be now, but you have many more people actually playing now than they did the first couple years.  With more people come more idiots that can't contain their idiotic beliefs, or self importance that need to address that with everyone that will listen.  That is just life these days an it isn't going to get better unless you actually get real world GM's that are actually playing the game and monitoring live actions and chats, which is something most games don't have these days.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    When I start playing a new mmo, the first, and I mean the very first, thing I do is turn off general chat. 
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