Ever noticed that he considers anyone posting in favor of a game a "Fanboy"?
Anyone who exaggaration game position in the gaming world is a fanboy. They ignore everything else to hype their opinion of the game.
Typically shows a limited intellect. Regardless of how much sense your posts make or how logical they are.
Yes, when on the losing streak of an argument, it's best to insult the other person's intelligence direct in hopes of turns into a flame war just show mature you are.
Just a clue Captain RPG: The VAST majority of the people on this site are not guild wars players, they are WOW players and, oddly, EVE players.
Stop right here, first off you have no clue or proof everyone here is a WoW fanboy.
I know for a fact that they are more GW fans here because of the activity of the GW forums and WoW forums. I'm not just on this forum, but in those two forums as well. I'm also on the WoW forums on the WoW website laughing at the post of player still there and begging for either nerfs or tweaks. WoW forums on these site barely moves. I've watch topic stay in the WoW forums for 2 to 3 weeks only for one person to bring the topic back from the dead where as they always GW are active and have new topics damn near every other day. Plus, GW official site directs players to other fansites so it's so no surprise we have GW fanboys like yourself eventually landing here to mmorpg.com because you guys have no real homeforums to come.
Yet WoW is rated lower than Guild Wars. Why is that? Because Guild Wars is a better VALUE than WoW. You get more for your $.
The guild wars boards are always
Oh, and by the way, quit putting words in people's mouths. Nobody said Guild Wars set any standards.
Quote Elnator "Guild Wars has set the standard for what should be available for FREE."
Yep, I'm grasping at straw here, I have nothing left draw from. I'm fibbing my @$$ off here to make myself look good and you look bad.
They said...
They said? You said? No one else is here arguing that GW is raise the bar except you.
You can continue to delude yourself all you want. I'm finished arguing with you, it's pointless. You have a strong opinion, I think you're wrong.... but I'm not going to waste any more of my time trying to convince you that you're mistaken.
No, that's where you messed up because in argument, you're suppose facts, which you don't have. I can tell by your post, you don't visit any other forums, but this one. You seem close-minded to the activity of the GW forums are compared to the WoW forums. Yet you want to make people the GW players in this site's forum out to be the minority when in reality, GW players and the Eve-Players are the majority here.
DDO is very nice and well built for what it does, it is an ACTION game with a rpg superficial skin. It is extremely well done on many aspects, but it is though like an ACTION game, not a rpg. For example, the mobs respawn in the instanced mission of DDO. In an action game, it can make some sense, in an open zone shared with other players it make sense, but in a rpg within an instanced mission with nobody but your group, it make zero sense.
DDO make many mistakes, either on the marketing level or on the leadership level. It is still an extremely nice game. However, it have troubles to launch because ACTION fans don't care to try the RPG king, no matter what. D&D is the reason why GBT is alive today and not long dead.
Trash it all you want, I even goes as far as saying DDO was my least favorite MMO, it is still worth it monthly fees...for someone who enjoy ACTION. You want to play Sonic with some rpg skin, go plat DDO and you gonna have a blast.
I am a D&D fanboi...I am a DDO anti-fanboi (not killing fanbois, disliking the game with a passion, just as much as I like D&D). As much as I like and defend D&D with 'honor and passion', I will attack DDO with the same 'honor and passion'. Saying DDO is pure trash is a lie. It is not worthy of bearing the D&D name, it is an insult to D&D, but it is still an extremely nice game...it is NOT D&D in any form but a superficial skin...they didn't get any spirit of D&D from the game, only it voice...just like with Gygax, they didn't involve him on the design, they have his voice over...no offense to Gygax, but if given the choice, I rather have you sir designing my D&D game and hearing Madonna, Lavigne or any other popular girl!
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Although I never liked GW much, I also think it raised some standards.
Also people have different opinions, you call many "blinded" and thus fanboys, just because they have a strong opinion (not much unlike yourself, just that they have strong *pro* opinions). I have strong opinions about DDO, and as you can see I posted a lot about it's true problems, but I was labelled fanboy when I stood out near it in other issues.
Calling someone a fanboy represents lack of open-mindness.
Originally posted by random11 Are *you* actually pro anything capt'n?
What separate a general audience from fanboys is general audience take everything they see with a grain of salt. They don't believe everything is perfect. They believe everything contributes and inspires everything else, not set new standards. Standards are created by fanboys who wish to selfishly create any genre as their own and include those who agree with them, excuse me...with the game. Like preachers in a church, fanboy project themselves (self-image and all) as the game believing that the only way to be accept is to agree and side with what they say.
With that being said, I'm never a pro for any game. I know every game will never be made perfect, which is why I admit to the flaws. Did you see Elnator admit to any flaws of GW? Nope. Thus, he's a fanboy. I admitted that WoW has flaws, many of them, but it doesn't stop the gameplay from being less fun. I know for a fact that WoW had a powerful influence because after WoW came out the standard was that game shouldn't offer less. That's why Guild Wars offers both PvE and PvP and not just PvP, just as WoW does. EQ2 caught onto what WoW was doing and improved their PvE and implemented a PvP aspect.
Hell with Eve being one of the top game shouldn't it be recognized as a game that set a new standard? Nope, because the game didn't introduce anything new to genre. Is WoW best game out there. Nope, I believe when a game comes out that thinks and works outside of the box, it'll bring WoW crashing down. Whether it's a game with a fee or non-fee, it's going to make game companies try hard to make a better game until then expect a series of subpar if not below average MMORPG to hit the market in the near future.
Also people have different opinions, you call many "blinded" and thus fanboys, just because they have a strong opinion (not much unlike yourself, just that they have strong *pro* opinions). I have strong opinions about DDO, and as you can see I posted a lot about it's true problems, but I was labelled fanboy when I stood out near it in other issues.
Calling someone a fanboy represents lack of open-mindness.
"If it looks like a duck and sounds like duck then its a duck, baby." Hav'Plenty.
Because you don't want to believe you are something, doesn't mean you aren't. Fanboy ignore proof and reason for denial exaggaration and denial. They don't want to be negative either to fit in or to they want to be known as Angst. I careless for the reason, but if you have no proof or knowledge to back it up don't get piss off when someone does.
Originally posted by CaptainRPG Originally posted by random11 Are *you* actually pro anything capt'n? What separate a general audience from fanboys is general audience take everything they see with a grain of salt. They don't believe everything is perfect. They believe everything contributes and inspires everything else, not set new standards. Standards are created by fanboys who wish to selfishly create any genre as their own and include those who agree with them, excuse me...with the game. Like preachers in a church, fanboy project themselves (self-image and all) as the game believing that the only way to be accept is to agree and side with what they say. With that being said, I'm never a pro for any game. I know every game will never be made perfect, which is why I admit to the flaws. Did you see Elnator admit to any flaws of GW? Nope. Thus, he's a fanboy. I admitted that WoW has flaws, many of them, but it doesn't stop the gameplay from being less fun. I know for a fact that WoW had a powerful influence because after WoW came out the standard was that game shouldn't offer less. That's why Guild Wars offers both PvE and PvP and not just PvP, just as WoW does. EQ2 caught onto what WoW was doing and improved their PvE and implemented a PvP aspect. These are not the only social groups: fanboys & general audiance. From another point of view there are masses of people, and specialized minoritarian groups. Now WoW is not groundbreaking, and they have introduced nothing new...nothing, they just did a wonderful job polishing everything that was already out there. They also made it easy, real easy (with safe leveling and such), because of which 11 yrs old can play it effectively. Other games speak to a specialized group, wether they intend to or not. Measuring a games value only by how many subscribers it has is wrong. You can measure success by the number of players, but not tha actual value of it.
Hell with Eve being one of the top game shouldn't it be recognized as a game that set a new standard? Nope, because the game didn't introduce anything new to genre. Is WoW best game out there. Nope, I believe when a game comes out that thinks and works outside of the box, it'll bring WoW crashing down. Whether it's a game with a fee or non-fee, it's going to make game companies try hard to make a better game until then expect a series of subpar if not below average MMORPG to hit the market in the near future. Actually an out of the box idea won't work well, weather you realize it or not there is no infinite human resource for mmos, at some point the market will be really full, and I honestly hope it's soon, because I dislike the notion of virtual life. Back to the point: the really big successes won't be the grounbreakers, it will be the ones that summarize up all the good things, polish it, give a new name to it, and give it to the 11 yrs olds. Wow did just that, I don't say it's a bad game, it's simply tooooo easy.. for the masses, don't let anybody's intellectual capabilities be a show-stopper. Since the most popular mmo is WoW, meaning it naturally has most fanboys, it will be really hard for any game to take away the audiance, and since like I said above, there is no infinite audiance, games like WoW will allways have greater audiance.
EvE could never have the success of WoW, can't imagine the "I will PawnZorZ U" kiddies get a taste for economy all of a sudden, yet EVE holds more value to me at any point, because it is more profound (though all mmos are practically useless in the rf, whish i read more books, and no not Tolkien, i meant books)
Also people have different opinions, you call many "blinded" and thus fanboys, just because they have a strong opinion (not much unlike yourself, just that they have strong *pro* opinions). I have strong opinions about DDO, and as you can see I posted a lot about it's true problems, but I was labelled fanboy when I stood out near it in other issues.
Calling someone a fanboy represents lack of open-mindness.
"If it looks like a duck and sounds like duck then its a duck, baby." Hav'Plenty.
Because you don't want to believe you are something, doesn't mean you aren't. Fanboy ignore proof and reason for denial exaggaration and denial. They don't want to be negative either to fit in or to they want to be known as Angst. I careless for the reason, but if you have no proof or knowledge to back it up don't get piss off when someone does.
The one who can point out where I stated things without backing it up with reasoning can have my WoW subscription...come to think of it I don't have that anymore...well then a beer, kind of worth the same to me :P
Originally posted by random11 These are not the only social groups: fanboys & general audiance. From another point of view there are masses of people, and specialized minoritarian groups. Now WoW is not groundbreaking, and they have introduced nothing new...nothing, they just did a wonderful job polishing everything that was already out there. They also made it easy, real easy (with safe leveling and such), because of which 11 yrs old can play it effectively. Other games speak to a specialized group, wether they intend to or not. Measuring a games value only by how many subscribers it has is wrong. You can measure success by the number of players, but not tha actual value of it.
Dude I wasn't generalizing, I was making a comparsion of two group. The third group outside of these two are angst whom are displease with everything. And measuring a game by it subscribers isn't wrong. If people weren't really fans of WoW they wouldn't be playing it, simple as that.
Unless you a good explaination why everyone is wasting money on games like WoW then please do tell.
Hell with Eve being one of the top game shouldn't it be recognized as a game that set a new standard? Nope, because the game didn't introduce anything new to genre.
And as I pose the question to Elnator, what did GW bring that other MMORRPG didn't.
Actually an out of the box idea won't work well, weather you realize it or not there is no infinite human resource for mmos, at some point the market will be really full, and I honestly hope it's soon, because I dislike the notion of virtual life.
I highly doubt that as more companies will rise to take the place of fallen companies and introduce new ideas if not rehearsed ideas with a new spin them.
Back to the point: the really big successes won't be the grounbreakers, it will be the ones that summarize up all the good things, polish it, give a new name to it, and give it to the 11 yrs olds.
Do you have proof that 11 years old dominate WoW or ANY MMORPG populate for that matter?
Wow did just that, I don't say it's a bad game, it's simply tooooo easy.. for the masses, don't let anybody's intellectual capabilities be a show-stopper. Since the most popular mmo is WoW, meaning it naturally has most fanboys, it will be really hard for any game to take away the audiance, and since like I said above, there is no infinite audiance, games like WoW will allways have greater audiance.
As I told another poster, play a Warrior in WoW against mobs the same level as yourself? You'll find it a lot harder to solo. The only rumors about the game being easy come people who play easy to solo classes: Hunter, Paladin, Warlock for example. Other classes have similar problem early in the game.
The one who can point out where I stated things without backing it up with reasoning can have my WoW subscription...come to think of it I don't have that anymore...well then a beer, kind of worth the same to me :P
I just did, but I don't think I want your WoW subscription.
The game is fun ill give it that. but wheres the beef!!! When i first heard DDO wa in the making i was thinking big massive world worth exploring and seeking out adventures. Then i play it and its just like most rpgs with multiplayer feature. the game feels very linear. very very dry story wise. I think the way they have it is decent for maybe the first 3 or 4 levels, after that it should open up and have a massive game for you to play. instead i see the same type of content clear upto where i quit already at lvl 10 (only reason i went that far is the "it has to get better than this" thinking and boy was i wrong). I tried replay with alts, god awefully boring redoing everything.
This game had so much potential and was slaped together and hoped it would work like WoW where all the warcraft fanboi would buy it because of the name associated with it. I am just glad i did not buy this game, got mine free from a friend that played for about a week and then cancled.
These things cost a ton of money to operate, i'm happy to pay a fee. I love D&D, DDO is a pretty close representation of the actual game, so for me, it's worth it.
I wish they had done Forgotten Realms, it was more open and players could generate their own Dungeons, other than that, all good
Originally posted by Vengerfrog Everyone want's everything for free it's natrual. These things cost a ton of money to operate, i'm happy to pay a fee. I love D&D, DDO is a pretty close representation of the actual game, so for me, it's worth it. I wish they had done Forgotten Realms, it was more open and players could generate their own Dungeons, other than that, all good
No, I'm perfectly willing to pay a monthly fee for an MMORPG that is worth the fee. DDO doesn't offer *enough* to justify a monthly fee. Not when there are so many other MMORPG's out there that offer so much more for that SAME monthly fee. And most especially not when there's a game almost identical to it with a slightly different skill system that STILL offers more than it does that's absolutely free to play.
That is why I gripe about the monthly fee in DDO. I don't want a game to be free. But I'm not going to over-pay for a game that offers less than ALL of it's competition. Heck there are completely free to play MMORPG's out there on the 'net that you don't even have to buy the box for that offer players more than DDO does.
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Yes it is worth a monthly fee.
No I won't play it, not even if I was paid for!
DDO is very nice and well built for what it does, it is an ACTION game with a rpg superficial skin. It is extremely well done on many aspects, but it is though like an ACTION game, not a rpg. For example, the mobs respawn in the instanced mission of DDO. In an action game, it can make some sense, in an open zone shared with other players it make sense, but in a rpg within an instanced mission with nobody but your group, it make zero sense.
DDO make many mistakes, either on the marketing level or on the leadership level. It is still an extremely nice game. However, it have troubles to launch because ACTION fans don't care to try the RPG king, no matter what. D&D is the reason why GBT is alive today and not long dead.
Trash it all you want, I even goes as far as saying DDO was my least favorite MMO, it is still worth it monthly fees...for someone who enjoy ACTION. You want to play Sonic with some rpg skin, go plat DDO and you gonna have a blast.
I am a D&D fanboi...I am a DDO anti-fanboi (not killing fanbois, disliking the game with a passion, just as much as I like D&D). As much as I like and defend D&D with 'honor and passion', I will attack DDO with the same 'honor and passion'. Saying DDO is pure trash is a lie. It is not worthy of bearing the D&D name, it is an insult to D&D, but it is still an extremely nice game...it is NOT D&D in any form but a superficial skin...they didn't get any spirit of D&D from the game, only it voice...just like with Gygax, they didn't involve him on the design, they have his voice over...no offense to Gygax, but if given the choice, I rather have you sir designing my D&D game and hearing Madonna, Lavigne or any other popular girl!
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Although I never liked GW much, I also think it raised some standards.
Also people have different opinions, you call many "blinded" and thus fanboys, just because they have a strong opinion (not much unlike yourself, just that they have strong *pro* opinions). I have strong opinions about DDO, and as you can see I posted a lot about it's true problems, but I was labelled fanboy when I stood out near it in other issues.
Calling someone a fanboy represents lack of open-mindness.
"If it looks like a duck and sounds like duck then its a duck, baby." Hav'Plenty.
Because you don't want to believe you are something, doesn't mean you aren't. Fanboy ignore proof and reason for denial exaggaration and denial. They don't want to be negative either to fit in or to they want to be known as Angst. I careless for the reason, but if you have no proof or knowledge to back it up don't get piss off when someone does.
"If it looks like a duck and sounds like duck then its a duck, baby." Hav'Plenty.
Because you don't want to believe you are something, doesn't mean you aren't. Fanboy ignore proof and reason for denial exaggaration and denial. They don't want to be negative either to fit in or to they want to be known as Angst. I careless for the reason, but if you have no proof or knowledge to back it up don't get piss off when someone does.
The one who can point out where I stated things without backing it up with reasoning can have my WoW subscription...come to think of it I don't have that anymore...well then a beer, kind of worth the same to me :P
The one who can point out where I stated things without backing it up with reasoning can have my WoW subscription...come to think of it I don't have that anymore...well then a beer, kind of worth the same to me :P
I just did, but I don't think I want your WoW subscription.The game is fun ill give it that. but wheres the beef!!! When i first heard DDO wa in the making i was thinking big massive world worth exploring and seeking out adventures. Then i play it and its just like most rpgs with multiplayer feature. the game feels very linear. very very dry story wise. I think the way they have it is decent for maybe the first 3 or 4 levels, after that it should open up and have a massive game for you to play. instead i see the same type of content clear upto where i quit already at lvl 10 (only reason i went that far is the "it has to get better than this" thinking and boy was i wrong). I tried replay with alts, god awefully boring redoing everything.
This game had so much potential and was slaped together and hoped it would work like WoW where all the warcraft fanboi would buy it because of the name associated with it. I am just glad i did not buy this game, got mine free from a friend that played for about a week and then cancled.
Everyone want's everything for free it's natrual.
These things cost a ton of money to operate, i'm happy to pay a fee. I love D&D, DDO is a pretty close representation of the actual game, so for me, it's worth it.
I wish they had done Forgotten Realms, it was more open and players could generate their own Dungeons, other than that, all good
That is why I gripe about the monthly fee in DDO. I don't want a game to be free. But I'm not going to over-pay for a game that offers less than ALL of it's competition. Heck there are completely free to play MMORPG's out there on the 'net that you don't even have to buy the box for that offer players more than DDO does.
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