Originally posted by Gameloading you can keep whining about endgame as much as you want, because I have a newsflash: EVERY MMO HAS RAIDING AS AN ENDGAME.
Actually thats not entirely true.
Some games which has basically a very open end game play are very grey as to where end game(aka high level game) are.
Takes UO and SWG for instance.Maybe because they were skilled based not levels initally .So apart from say a true newbie who would die to that rat mob due to low skills.Once they picked up even one tree of progression they performed .
Guess thinking back the end game in those was mainly interaction,crafting and ofc living day by day in a hostile environment.
Then you have games who actually did the pvp well(i see some say 15vs15 in a microscopic zone for 10 mins after waiting in queue for 1hr is fun in wow .more power to the easily imprssed i say).
I would call as best example DAoC.For all those here who played DAoC,answer me this-did you ever care much for the dragon raids?I think not.Levelling in DAoC was purely to get into the war asap.
Endgame there was pvp pure and straight.Sure you would once in a while go explore some new areas or go for some raid to boost your loot ,but people did this about 1/10th of their time (at least me and most others i know).We were mostly in the battlegrounds trying to take some keep ,killing,setting up seige machine etc.
One argument i see for WoW type of pvp is-its fair.15vs15 or whatever.Truth is numbers matter but to only a certain point.200 soliders would take out 300 soliders if they were well organised.My DAoC server as alboin always outnumbers hibs yet we lost many times because hibs learnt they were few and needed to be organised.Same goes for my Planetside outfit-we have held the entire server of NC soliders last year from taking a base for 3 hrs till they got fustrated and left.Thats 20 of us holding back over 150 troops.
Now thats pvp.Bit off topic but since i said numerous times WoW has a very weak pvp system compared to most other mmorpg with pvp i had to comment on it,
Originally posted by Antipathy Originally posted by SonofSeth Fact. There are better games out there!
Nope - that's an opinion. Look it up in the dictionary.
Notice he names none. Still waiting for a better game to be named so it can be debated, but the critics never do. One person who tried was playing EQ2 in his sig, but wouldn't SAY EQ2 because he knows it can get torn apart due to bugs, a complete rebalancing and a lack of content compared to WoW.
SWG? Laughable.
CoH/V? Closest competition I've seen as far as bug-free and lots of content, but their PVP is lacking and the endgame is really low.
Come on detractors... make an effort to name a game superior to WoW. Tell us why, let's debate it. Otherwise your criticism falls flat.
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Nope - that's an opinion. Look it up in the dictionary.
Notice he names none. Still waiting for a better game to be named so it can be debated, but the critics never do. One person who tried was playing EQ2 in his sig, but wouldn't SAY EQ2 because he knows it can get torn apart due to bugs, a complete rebalancing and a lack of content compared to WoW.
SWG? Laughable.
CoH/V? Closest competition I've seen as far as bug-free and lots of content, but their PVP is lacking and the endgame is really low.
Come on detractors... make an effort to name a game superior to WoW. Tell us why, let's debate it. Otherwise your criticism falls flat.
COH's endgame for me was the character creation......its hot i tell you ! Best damn part of the game!
Notice he names none. Still waiting for a better game to be named so it can be debated, but the critics never do. One person who tried was playing EQ2 in his sig, but wouldn't SAY EQ2 because he knows it can get torn apart due to bugs, a complete rebalancing and a lack of content compared to WoW.
SWG? Laughable.
CoH/V? Closest competition I've seen as far as bug-free and lots of content, but their PVP is lacking and the endgame is really low.
Come on detractors... make an effort to name a game superior to WoW. Tell us why, let's debate it. Otherwise your criticism falls flat.
Originally posted by SonofSeth Originally posted by Shayde ...
Notice he names none. Still waiting for a better game to be named so it can be debated, but the critics never do. One person who tried was playing EQ2 in his sig, but wouldn't SAY EQ2 because he knows it can get torn apart due to bugs, a complete rebalancing and a lack of content compared to WoW.
SWG? Laughable.
CoH/V? Closest competition I've seen as far as bug-free and lots of content, but their PVP is lacking and the endgame is really low.
Come on detractors... make an effort to name a game superior to WoW. Tell us why, let's debate it. Otherwise your criticism falls flat.
Grim Fandango is a better game then WOW. 2 completely different games
WoW looked so cool untill I killed my first wolf. I like melee chars to start off and learn the game with but the combat just seemed so wrong. I just hate how you have to press attack and wait for your character to start attacking IF he's even in range, it's definately not an instant thing and it gives the game such a slow feeling.
Am I the only one who thought that? so many times I tried to attack somethin and my char wouldn't attack for like 4 or 5 seconds while the beast I'm attacking is walking away from me lol.. possibly I'm just retarded and should try it again. If it had guild wars/CoV style combat I'd probably agree it's a good game but from what I've seen I don't get the hype.
Originally posted by SinzOfMan WoW looked so cool untill I killed my first wolf. I like melee chars to start off and learn the game with but the combat just seemed so wrong. I just hate how you have to press attack and wait for your character to start attacking IF he's even in range, it's definately not an instant thing and it gives the game such a slow feeling. Am I the only one who thought that? so many times I tried to attack somethin and my char wouldn't attack for like 4 or 5 seconds while the beast I'm attacking is walking away from me lol.. possibly I'm just retarded and should try it again. If it had guild wars/CoV style combat I'd probably agree it's a good game but from what I've seen I don't get the hype.
slow fighting? you crack me up its called lag get a new internet connection
Some people like apples, other like oranges. Sometimes people get tired of eating apples and move on to oranges. Others discover that apples taste good and start eating them.
Thus objective of this post is to perswade people who like apples to stop liking them, and start liking oranges. Unfortunately MMOs like foods, unless someone comes to liking them on their own you cant change peoples opinions about them.
(I am not a WoW player, tbh I hate the damn thing lol)
Originally posted by Urza123 Some people like apples, other like oranges. Sometimes people get tired of eating apples and move on to oranges. Others discover that apples taste good and start eating them.
Wrong wrong wrong, I like oranges and oranges are waaay better then apples! OK, now when that is out of the way, I wouls like to add just one more thing, stating that "other games are better!" is equaly wrong as stating that WOW is the best game.
Ofcourse, speaking in general, not bickering about details! And in general, Grim Fandango is a better game!
Originally posted by SonofSeth Originally posted by Urza123 Some people like apples, other like oranges. Sometimes people get tired of eating apples and move on to oranges. Others discover that apples taste good and start eating them.
Wrong wrong wrong, I like oranges and oranges are waaay better then apples! OK, now when that is out of the way, I wouls like to add just one more thing, stating that "other games are better!" is equaly wrong as stating that WOW is the best game.
Ofcourse, speaking in general, not bickering about details! And in general, Grim Fandango is a better game!
I think the only fact here is that you don't know what thell you are talking about..
Originally posted by SonofSeth Originally posted by Urza123 Some people like apples, other like oranges. Sometimes people get tired of eating apples and move on to oranges. Others discover that apples taste good and start eating them.
Wrong wrong wrong, I like oranges and oranges are waaay better then apples! OK, now when that is out of the way, I wouls like to add just one more thing, stating that "other games are better!" is equaly wrong as stating that WOW is the best game.
Ofcourse, speaking in general, not bickering about details! And in general, Grim Fandango is a better game!
Yeah, i do agree with you. Grim Fandango is the better game though it have nothing in common. btw i like mango the most
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Damn, i must be a freack. Cause i loved both of them and i would be really hard pressed to choose between those two jewels of Adventure games..... But, after all, my all time favorite Lucasarts Adventure is Loom!!! yai! for music based gameplay!!
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The majority of the MMORPG gamers like WoW, so it must be the best MMORPG out there, right? I'm no WoW fanboy and neither do I play it but I'm an ex-WoW player, though I only played for 2 weeks. There are better games out there, in my opinion, and many games that are pretty similar to WoW.
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Look at SWG. More bugs than a sewer and less content that Paris Hilton's brain. Actually more bugs than in her crotch as well.
Now look at WoW.. more content than you can do with 6 characters, and fewer bugs than you can even believe.
Some powergamers call it simplistic, but I tend to disagree. There are paths set out for the slighter-of-brain to follow, but staying in those paths shows a huge lack of imagination.
Blizzard... and NC Soft as well, have figured out how to make their games actually WORK.. figured out that content keeps people coming back.. a consistantly pleasant game that is worth playing.
Now look at $OE. Look at what was done to SWG specifically, and you see how many companies think. Especially when $OE used to be a "leader" in the industry. They used to be able to ship a half-assed buggy product and use the excuse "It's an MMORPG.. it's NEVER going to be done!"
Well.. it SHOULD be an MMORPG that works before it ships. That makes it worth the price on the box.. worth the monthly fees.
Blizzard set the bar. $OE is just too stupid enough to realize that you're supposed to jump OVER the bar.
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Originally posted by Hawkaron The majority of the MMORPG gamers like WoW, so it must be the best MMORPG out there, right?
Quantity and Quality, both very different and mutualy exclusive in most cases. I think that WoW has the biggest numbers mostly because it plays like a singleplayer game in the biggest part. Very linear and easy to get a hang of. (and let's not forget that WoW is the first MMORPG to big number of ppl, thnx to previous succes of Blizzard: Warcraft I, II, III Starcraft, hard to forget those games)
And ofcourse, the /dance emote is the thing that guarantied the succes
Sadly, I haven't played Full Throtle, but I hear only the best things about it. And for some reasons stated above, I still think that Grim Fandango is a more accomplished game of it's kind then WoW. WoW to MMORPG's is like Quake to FPS, the best selling and with the biggets fan base, but anyone who played more then 5 FPS games, has to agree that it's far from being the best FPS.
Originally posted by SonofSeth Quantity and Quality, both very different and mutualy exclusive in most cases.
Well, what you are saying is true, but watch all of the reviews the pro's have given WoW. They all include the sentence "This is the best MMORPG ever made.", and why is that? Because the overall quality must be good. There is something called opinion and taste, and they depend on each people. I didn't like WoW, but because I don't like it, I don't lurk around saying that this is the worst game ever made or compare it to something else. Simply, WoW didn't meet the requirements for my taste.
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Originally posted by Hawkaron Originally posted by SonofSeth Quantity and Quality, both very different and mutualy exclusive in most cases.
Well, what you are saying is true, but watch all of the reviews the pro's have given WoW. They all include the sentence "This is the best MMORPG ever made.", and why is that? Because the overall quality must be good. There is something called opinion and taste, and they depend on each people. I didn't like WoW, but because I don't like it, I don't lurk around saying that this is the worst game ever made or compare it to something else. Simply, WoW didn't meet the requirements for my taste.
The problem is that we always try make sence of why dont we like it. If you say you dont like something natural thing other people to ask is "Why?". In the way society is structured today if you can't give valid reasons to back up your opinion well you are considered to be not the smartest of people..... I think that is why so many people who dislike the game show in so many arguments to why the game is not that good. If you want to perswade someone or show someone that you are right and someone else is wrong you have to establish logical base from which you can reason and that is what all the people who post negative things about WoW want to achive.
It really does seem that the WoW crowd is very immature and will beat the other person down if someone dear talks bad about it... even ex-WoW players get shitted on when they said they quit because there's no end content and it's too easy...
I know I will get flamed for this, but I'm ready for immature children to throw stones at me... it's okay.
Originally posted by VixenHeart It really does seem that the WoW crowd is very immature and will beat the other person down if someone dear talks bad about it... even ex-WoW players get shitted on when they said they quit because there's no end content and it's too easy... I know I will get flamed for this, but I'm ready for immature children to throw stones at me... it's okay.
I just think there's too many whiny detractors saying "There's better games out there" yet don't provide any for debate. I find more critics coming from an immature stance using the "you suck" argument.
Not saying it's you... I'm just saying that I haven't seen one well reasoned debate coming from one WoW critic. Not one better game and why.
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I just think there's too many whiny detractors saying "There's better games out there" yet don't provide any for debate. I find more critics coming from an immature stance using the "you suck" argument. Not saying it's you... I'm just saying that I haven't seen one well reasoned debate coming from one WoW critic. Not one better game and why.
WoW is like pop music, like Britney Spears and N'Sync. But Why do you think the statment "There's better games out there" is not true?
Sadly, I realy hate talking about something I don't have compeling arguments for, like the ones you are looking for. But from my reading of the forums and reading between the lines, for every function in WoW there is a game that has that part better! Be it endgame, skill-class system, lvl-ing, economy, PVP in general, lore, maturity lvl, name it and I'm sure you can find a game with a better solution to a problem. WoW is, well it's like the only game that has everything mediocre, nothing is realy bad (well except the endgame maybe) but calling it the best just feels wrong. And it's easy, just too easy, but thats a matter of opinion.
I will go and MAYBE admit that it could be most funn, but thinking it is best because of that would be like saying some comedy or horror movie is the best movie of them all.
Now, WoW-best game period? NO WAY
WoW-best MMORPG? Maybe technicaly, with low bug number and mostly no lag issues, but that's like when a movie wins an oscar for best costume or special effects....
Now if you wanna discuss this ok, and in adition, you could tell me why WoW is the best game?
Originally posted by SonofSeth Originally posted by Shayde I just think there's too many whiny detractors saying "There's better games out there" yet don't provide any for debate. I find more critics coming from an immature stance using the "you suck" argument. Not saying it's you... I'm just saying that I haven't seen one well reasoned debate coming from one WoW critic. Not one better game and why.
WoW is like pop music, like Britney Spears and N'Sync. But Why do you think the statment "There's better games out there" is not true?
aww thats a shame, wrong answer. sorry, you miss the 5 million dollar question.
the diffrence between Birtney spears and WoW? Britney spears is popular, but makes low quality music. WoW is popular, but is a high quality game.
Sadly, I realy hate talking about something I don't have compeling arguments for, like the ones you are looking for. But from my reading of the forums and reading between the lines, for every function in WoW there is a game that has that part better! Be it endgame a mistake many people make. 90% has the same endgame as WoW, the other 10% doesn't even have an endgame. the reason it is bashed is because WoW is so popular
skill-class system,
Again wrong. World of Warcraft is the first MMO that really makes classes unique. its the very first mmo where one class really feels and plays diffrent then the other classes. it is also one of the most balanced mmo's ever
lvl-ing
again a point WoW does great. WoW trades the endless grind for a quests system
economy
I agree with you on that. altough WoW's economy is one of the few that isn't destroyed, its not a very deep economy. an auction house, and thats about it.
PVP in general
The pvp system is indeed crap, however the actual pvp conflicts will make every other pvp mmo turn red. WoW's pvp reward skill with wins. if you posses skill, then you can beat anybody, better equipment or not (those who say otherwise never had any skill to begin with)
lore
That is just downright an insult. the warcraft lore is one of the most (if not the most) deepest lore in the history of gaming. books, tabletob games, RTS games. and all of them are in the game.
maturity lvl, name it and I'm sure you can find a game with a better solution to a problem. WoW is, well it's like the only game that has everything mediocre, nothing is realy bad (well except the endgame maybe) but calling it the best just feels wrong. And it's easy, just too easy, but thats a matter of opinion.
I will go and MAYBE admit that it could be most funn, but thinking it is best because of that would be like saying some comedy or horror movie is the best movie of them all. Now, WoW-best game period? NO WAY WoW-best MMORPG? Maybe technicaly, with low bug number and mostly no lag issues, but that's like when a movie wins an oscar for best costume or special effects.... Now if you wanna discuss this ok, and in adition, you could tell me why WoW is the best game? I could go on forever, but I'll save you that. World of Warcraft has almost everything done right. the PVE is great, the PVP is great, there is LOAD of content, thousand of items, more detail then any game could ever dream of. but most important, it is one of the few MMO's that provides FUN.
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Actually thats not entirely true.
Some games which has basically a very open end game play are very grey as to where end game(aka high level game) are.
Takes UO and SWG for instance.Maybe because they were skilled based not levels initally .So apart from say a true newbie who would die to that rat mob due to low skills.Once they picked up even one tree of progression they performed .
Guess thinking back the end game in those was mainly interaction,crafting and ofc living day by day in a hostile environment.
Then you have games who actually did the pvp well(i see some say 15vs15 in a microscopic zone for 10 mins after waiting in queue for 1hr is fun in wow .more power to the easily imprssed i say).
I would call as best example DAoC.For all those here who played DAoC,answer me this-did you ever care much for the dragon raids?I think not.Levelling in DAoC was purely to get into the war asap.
Endgame there was pvp pure and straight.Sure you would once in a while go explore some new areas or go for some raid to boost your loot ,but people did this about 1/10th of their time (at least me and most others i know).We were mostly in the battlegrounds trying to take some keep ,killing,setting up seige machine etc.
One argument i see for WoW type of pvp is-its fair.15vs15 or whatever.Truth is numbers matter but to only a certain point.200 soliders would take out 300 soliders if they were well organised.My DAoC server as alboin always outnumbers hibs yet we lost many times because hibs learnt they were few and needed to be organised.Same goes for my Planetside outfit-we have held the entire server of NC soliders last year from taking a base for 3 hrs till they got fustrated and left.Thats 20 of us holding back over 150 troops.
Now thats pvp.Bit off topic but since i said numerous times WoW has a very weak pvp system compared to most other mmorpg with pvp i had to comment on it,
Try something different, try FOM... open-ended, make of it what you like. Best of all it's not another clone MMO
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Fact.
There are better games out there!
Nope - that's an opinion. Look it up in the dictionary.
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Notice he names none. Still waiting for a better game to be named so it can be debated, but the critics never do. One person who tried was playing EQ2 in his sig, but wouldn't SAY EQ2 because he knows it can get torn apart due to bugs, a complete rebalancing and a lack of content compared to WoW.
SWG? Laughable.
CoH/V? Closest competition I've seen as far as bug-free and lots of content, but their PVP is lacking and the endgame is really low.
Come on detractors... make an effort to name a game superior to WoW. Tell us why, let's debate it. Otherwise your criticism falls flat.
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It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
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Notice he names none. Still waiting for a better game to be named so it can be debated, but the critics never do. One person who tried was playing EQ2 in his sig, but wouldn't SAY EQ2 because he knows it can get torn apart due to bugs, a complete rebalancing and a lack of content compared to WoW.
SWG? Laughable.
CoH/V? Closest competition I've seen as far as bug-free and lots of content, but their PVP is lacking and the endgame is really low.
Come on detractors... make an effort to name a game superior to WoW. Tell us why, let's debate it. Otherwise your criticism falls flat.
COH's endgame for me was the character creation......its hot i tell you ! Best damn part of the game!
Notice he names none. Still waiting for a better game to be named so it can be debated, but the critics never do. One person who tried was playing EQ2 in his sig, but wouldn't SAY EQ2 because he knows it can get torn apart due to bugs, a complete rebalancing and a lack of content compared to WoW.
SWG? Laughable.
CoH/V? Closest competition I've seen as far as bug-free and lots of content, but their PVP is lacking and the endgame is really low.
Come on detractors... make an effort to name a game superior to WoW. Tell us why, let's debate it. Otherwise your criticism falls flat.
Grim Fandango is a better game then WOW.
Notice he names none. Still waiting for a better game to be named so it can be debated, but the critics never do. One person who tried was playing EQ2 in his sig, but wouldn't SAY EQ2 because he knows it can get torn apart due to bugs, a complete rebalancing and a lack of content compared to WoW.
SWG? Laughable.
CoH/V? Closest competition I've seen as far as bug-free and lots of content, but their PVP is lacking and the endgame is really low.
Come on detractors... make an effort to name a game superior to WoW. Tell us why, let's debate it. Otherwise your criticism falls flat.
Grim Fandango is a better game then WOW.
WoW looked so cool untill I killed my first wolf. I like melee chars to start off and learn the game with but the combat just seemed so wrong. I just hate how you have to press attack and wait for your character to start attacking IF he's even in range, it's definately not an instant thing and it gives the game such a slow feeling.
Am I the only one who thought that? so many times I tried to attack somethin and my char wouldn't attack for like 4 or 5 seconds while the beast I'm attacking is walking away from me lol.. possibly I'm just retarded and should try it again. If it had guild wars/CoV style combat I'd probably agree it's a good game but from what I've seen I don't get the hype.
its called lag get a new internet connection
Thus objective of this post is to perswade people who like apples to stop liking them, and start liking oranges. Unfortunately MMOs like foods, unless someone comes to liking them on their own you cant change peoples opinions about them.
(I am not a WoW player, tbh I hate the damn thing lol)
Wrong wrong wrong, I like oranges and oranges are waaay better then apples! OK, now when that is out of the way, I wouls like to add just one more thing, stating that "other games are better!" is equaly wrong as stating that WOW is the best game.
Ofcourse, speaking in general, not bickering about details! And in general, Grim Fandango is a better game!
Wrong wrong wrong, I like oranges and oranges are waaay better then apples! OK, now when that is out of the way, I wouls like to add just one more thing, stating that "other games are better!" is equaly wrong as stating that WOW is the best game.
Ofcourse, speaking in general, not bickering about details! And in general, Grim Fandango is a better game!
I think the only fact here is that you don't know what thell you are talking about..
Wrong wrong wrong, I like oranges and oranges are waaay better then apples! OK, now when that is out of the way, I wouls like to add just one more thing, stating that "other games are better!" is equaly wrong as stating that WOW is the best game.
Ofcourse, speaking in general, not bickering about details! And in general, Grim Fandango is a better game!
Yeah, i do agree with you. Grim Fandango is the better game though it have nothing in common. btw i like mango the most
I dunno.. I was bored with Grim Fandango.
Now Full Throttle.. THAT was a game.
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The majority of the MMORPG gamers like WoW, so it must be the best MMORPG out there, right? I'm no WoW fanboy and neither do I play it but I'm an ex-WoW player, though I only played for 2 weeks. There are better games out there, in my opinion, and many games that are pretty similar to WoW.
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Look at SWG. More bugs than a sewer and less content that Paris Hilton's brain. Actually more bugs than in her crotch as well.
Now look at WoW.. more content than you can do with 6 characters, and fewer bugs than you can even believe.
Some powergamers call it simplistic, but I tend to disagree. There are paths set out for the slighter-of-brain to follow, but staying in those paths shows a huge lack of imagination.
Blizzard... and NC Soft as well, have figured out how to make their games actually WORK.. figured out that content keeps people coming back.. a consistantly pleasant game that is worth playing.
Now look at $OE. Look at what was done to SWG specifically, and you see how many companies think. Especially when $OE used to be a "leader" in the industry. They used to be able to ship a half-assed buggy product and use the excuse "It's an MMORPG.. it's NEVER going to be done!"
Well.. it SHOULD be an MMORPG that works before it ships. That makes it worth the price on the box.. worth the monthly fees.
Blizzard set the bar. $OE is just too stupid enough to realize that you're supposed to jump OVER the bar.
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Quantity and Quality, both very different and mutualy exclusive in most cases. I think that WoW has the biggest numbers mostly because it plays like a singleplayer game in the biggest part. Very linear and easy to get a hang of. (and let's not forget that WoW is the first MMORPG to big number of ppl, thnx to previous succes of Blizzard: Warcraft I, II, III Starcraft, hard to forget those games)
And ofcourse, the /dance emote is the thing that guarantied the succes
Sadly, I haven't played Full Throtle, but I hear only the best things about it. And for some reasons stated above, I still think that Grim Fandango is a more accomplished game of it's kind then WoW. WoW to MMORPG's is like Quake to FPS, the best selling and with the biggets fan base, but anyone who played more then 5 FPS games, has to agree that it's far from being the best FPS.
Well, what you are saying is true, but watch all of the reviews the pro's have given WoW. They all include the sentence "This is the best MMORPG ever made.", and why is that? Because the overall quality must be good. There is something called opinion and taste, and they depend on each people. I didn't like WoW, but because I don't like it, I don't lurk around saying that this is the worst game ever made or compare it to something else. Simply, WoW didn't meet the requirements for my taste.
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Well, what you are saying is true, but watch all of the reviews the pro's have given WoW. They all include the sentence "This is the best MMORPG ever made.", and why is that? Because the overall quality must be good. There is something called opinion and taste, and they depend on each people. I didn't like WoW, but because I don't like it, I don't lurk around saying that this is the worst game ever made or compare it to something else. Simply, WoW didn't meet the requirements for my taste.
The problem is that we always try make sence of why dont we like it. If you say you dont like something natural thing other people to ask is "Why?". In the way society is structured today if you can't give valid reasons to back up your opinion well you are considered to be not the smartest of people..... I think that is why so many people who dislike the game show in so many arguments to why the game is not that good. If you want to perswade someone or show someone that you are right and someone else is wrong you have to establish logical base from which you can reason and that is what all the people who post negative things about WoW want to achive.
It really does seem that the WoW crowd is very immature and will beat the other person down if someone dear talks bad about it... even ex-WoW players get shitted on when they said they quit because there's no end content and it's too easy...
I know I will get flamed for this, but I'm ready for immature children to throw stones at me... it's okay.
I just think there's too many whiny detractors saying "There's better games out there" yet don't provide any for debate. I find more critics coming from an immature stance using the "you suck" argument.
Not saying it's you... I'm just saying that I haven't seen one well reasoned debate coming from one WoW critic. Not one better game and why.
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WoW is like pop music, like Britney Spears and N'Sync. But Why do you think the statment "There's better games out there" is not true?
Sadly, I realy hate talking about something I don't have compeling arguments for, like the ones you are looking for. But from my reading of the forums and reading between the lines, for every function in WoW there is a game that has that part better! Be it endgame, skill-class system, lvl-ing, economy, PVP in general, lore, maturity lvl, name it and I'm sure you can find a game with a better solution to a problem. WoW is, well it's like the only game that has everything mediocre, nothing is realy bad (well except the endgame maybe) but calling it the best just feels wrong. And it's easy, just too easy, but thats a matter of opinion.
I will go and MAYBE admit that it could be most funn, but thinking it is best because of that would be like saying some comedy or horror movie is the best movie of them all.
Now, WoW-best game period? NO WAY
WoW-best MMORPG? Maybe technicaly, with low bug number and mostly no lag issues, but that's like when a movie wins an oscar for best costume or special effects....
Now if you wanna discuss this ok, and in adition, you could tell me why WoW is the best game?
Originally posted by Shayde
I just think there's too many whiny detractors saying "There's
better games out there" yet don't provide any for debate. I find more
critics coming from an immature stance using the "you suck" argument.
Not saying it's you... I'm just saying that I haven't seen one well
reasoned debate coming from one WoW critic. Not one better game and why.
WoW is like pop music, like Britney Spears and N'Sync. But Why
do you think the statment "There's better games out there" is not true?
aww thats a shame, wrong answer. sorry, you miss the 5 million dollar question.
the diffrence between Birtney
spears and WoW? Britney spears is popular, but makes low quality music.
WoW is popular, but is a high quality game.
Sadly, I realy hate talking about something I don't have compeling
arguments for, like the ones you are looking for. But from my reading
of the forums and reading between the lines, for every function in WoW
there is a game that has that part better! Be it endgame a
mistake many people make. 90% has the same endgame as WoW, the other
10% doesn't even have an endgame. the reason it is bashed is because
WoW is so popular
skill-class system,
Again wrong. World of Warcraft
is the first MMO that really makes classes unique. its the very first
mmo where one class really feels and plays diffrent then the other
classes. it is also one of the most balanced mmo's ever
lvl-ing
again a point WoW does great. WoW trades the endless grind for a quests system
economy
I agree with you on that.
altough WoW's economy is one of the few that isn't destroyed, its not a
very deep economy. an auction house, and thats about it.
PVP in general
The pvp system is indeed crap,
however the actual pvp conflicts will make every other pvp mmo turn
red. WoW's pvp reward skill with wins. if you posses skill, then you
can beat anybody, better equipment or not (those who say otherwise
never had any skill to begin with)
lore
That is just downright an
insult. the warcraft lore is one of the most (if not the most) deepest
lore in the history of gaming. books, tabletob games, RTS games. and
all of them are in the game.
maturity lvl, name it and I'm sure you can find a game with a
better solution to a problem. WoW is, well it's like the only game that
has everything mediocre, nothing is realy bad (well except the endgame
maybe) but calling it the best just feels wrong. And it's easy, just
too easy, but thats a matter of opinion.
I will go and MAYBE admit that it could be most funn, but thinking
it is best because of that would be like saying some comedy or horror
movie is the best movie of them all.
Now, WoW-best game period? NO WAY
WoW-best MMORPG? Maybe technicaly, with low bug number and mostly no
lag issues, but that's like when a movie wins an oscar for best costume
or special effects....
Now if you wanna discuss this ok, and in adition, you could tell me why WoW is the best game?
I could go on forever, but I'll save you that. World of Warcraft has
almost everything done right. the PVE is great, the PVP is great, there
is LOAD of content, thousand of items, more detail then any game could
ever dream of. but most important, it is one of the few MMO's that
provides FUN.