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After 800 Blizzard Employees Lose Their Jobs, Game Workers Unite Calls for Kotick Firing - MMORPG.c

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited February 2019 in News & Features Discussion

imageAfter 800 Blizzard Employees Lose Their Jobs, Game Workers Unite Calls for Kotick Firing - MMORPG.com News

Game Workers Unite, an organization seeking better working conditions for games industry employees, is calling for Activision-Blizzard CEO Bobby Kotick to be fired. #FireBobbyKotick is the social media hashtag that emerged after Tuesday's ATVI investor call and the announcement that 800 Blizzard employees had lost their jobs. "Upending 800 workers' lives while raking in millions in bonuses for you and your C-suite buddies isn't leadership, it's theft," reads the manifesto.

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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    They have some very valid points. Sadly, with "record profits", it's unlikely the board will fire Kotick since they are beneficiaries too. The way the firings were announced juxtaposed against Kotick crowing about "record profits" was disgusting.
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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    edited February 2019
    That is why we can't have nice things...

    The self-entitlement of these disgruntled ex-employees is shocking...well, not so much, seems like a good riddance...
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  • KalebGraysonKalebGrayson Member RarePosts: 430
    Make it happen.
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  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,464
    No offense, but it's convenient for the disgruntled terminated employees to NOW say he should be fired. If he was that bad of a boss, they should've spoken up sooner. He's been CEO of Activision/Blizzard since 2008.

    At this point, the only thing that would matter is if the employees that still had jobs protested.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    No offense, but it's convenient for the disgruntled terminated employees to NOW say he should be fired. If he was that bad of a boss, they should've spoken up sooner. He's been CEO of Activision/Blizzard since 2008.

    At this point, the only thing that would matter is if the employees that still had jobs protested.
    Which would be a good way for them to flag themselves as "problem employees."

    Your post seems to ignore the inherent inequity of bargaining power between employee and employer.
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  • 3dom3dom Member RarePosts: 889
    By the way - worker unions and high social insurance cost remove ability for small companies to grow because they cannot provide terms and pay salaries demanded by the unions. That's the reason why there are zero to no startups in EU.

    Also in Japan CEOs often cut their salaries to keep the jobs which are often totally useless - like fax operators. That's the reason why Japanese economy stagnates for 30 years.
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  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 970
    While I don't like that the workers were let go, I understand how the corporate world works. this isn't anything new. Right now Activision is under the microscope so anything they do is going to get scrutinized.

    The optics of this is terrible and once again Activision/Blizzard PR is trash. Firing the CEO isn't going to change anything. I have been laid off in the past when the company I worked for went through a restructuring. They were making record profits as well, but shifting focus in an ever changing landscape. If they wanted to keep up with the change then they had no choice. I didn't hold it against them because I understand how things work.

    Could Activison/Blizzard handled it differently? Yes, but again, it comes down to PR. If you really want to get back at them, don't buy or play any of their games. If enough do it then that will send a message. Of course you will also be responsible for the loss of jobs when they start letting more people go as a result. Pick your poison.
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  • MargraveMargrave Member RarePosts: 1,371
    Kotick does need to go.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited February 2019
    DMKano said:
    Firing someone how is making $30million a year is not exactly going to cause much hardship as those 800 employees who were scraping by.

    Sort of a wasted effort.

    So let's say he gets fired - still has 100million in the bank most likely 
    I don't think (also hope) the object is causing hardship out of a personal grudge.  The motivator should be a lack of foresight that led the company to this position.
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  • natpicknatpick Member UncommonPosts: 271
    Game Workers Unite efforts would be better  used to persuade gamers to not buy any acti/blizz products,this would be the fastest way to solve the problem of these greedy and heartless people.
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  • GazimoffGazimoff Staff WriterMember UncommonPosts: 225

    3dom said:

    By the way - worker unions and high social insurance cost remove ability for small companies to grow because they cannot provide terms and pay salaries demanded by the unions. That's the reason why there are zero to no startups in EU.



    Also in Japan CEOs often cut their salaries to keep the jobs which are often totally useless - like fax operators. That's the reason why Japanese economy stagnates for 30 years.



    This is so ridiculously wrong, I’m not sure if you’re hideously misinformed or just wilfully pig-ignorant.
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  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Gazimoff said:

    3dom said:

    By the way - worker unions and high social insurance cost remove ability for small companies to grow because they cannot provide terms and pay salaries demanded by the unions. That's the reason why there are zero to no startups in EU.



    Also in Japan CEOs often cut their salaries to keep the jobs which are often totally useless - like fax operators. That's the reason why Japanese economy stagnates for 30 years.



    This is so ridiculously wrong, I’m not sure if you’re hideously misinformed or just wilfully pig-ignorant.
    Then bring out your facts....
    Gazimoff
  • btdtbtdt Member RarePosts: 523
    People who think Unions are all that aren't part of them, or haven't seen how bad they can be for employees.  You think the guys at the top are screwing you over?  Your Union leadership is often no better.  The only person in the world who gives a rats ass about you is you.  Push come to shove, your fellow employees would rather see you get the pink slip then themselves.  So don't think for a moment that anyone other than yourself has your best interest in mind.

    We don't live in a world in which job security is a thing.  The days of pensions are long long gone.  The days of working for the same Company your entire life is fleeting.  It doesn't matter what industry you are in, your job is expendable.  The games industry has never ben known for job security.  Hell most people who started working in it didn't expect to see themselves working at the same place for more than a few years, period.

    The writing has been on the wall at Blizzard for a long time.  People have been leaving long before the layoffs started.  They saw the writing and said, you know, if I leave before all the mass exodus begins, my chances of landing a job somewhere else goes up ten fold.  If I wait for the pink slip, I will be competing with 800 other displaced workers.

    Um, people chose to stay when they knew the pink slips were coming.  The smart ones left while the getting was good.  Those that stayed, stayed knowing full well how precarious it was.  They gambled, they lost.

    This isn't going to be the last round of layoffs at Blizzard.  This was only the start.  So all those staying on who think their job is secure when the gamers themselves are spitting on their titles every day, is a fool.  They're not going to fix their woes with one mass layoff... it's likely to be a very rocky year for Blizzard if not few years.  The Company has lost the gamers faith... even the very hard core die hard fans are angry.  That doesn't go away with one expansion... it's going to take several.

    So if job security is what you are after... find another job... most likely in an entirely different industry.  Because in gaming... there is NO SUCH THING.


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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Horusra said:
    Gazimoff said:

    3dom said:

    By the way - worker unions and high social insurance cost remove ability for small companies to grow because they cannot provide terms and pay salaries demanded by the unions. That's the reason why there are zero to no startups in EU.



    Also in Japan CEOs often cut their salaries to keep the jobs which are often totally useless - like fax operators. That's the reason why Japanese economy stagnates for 30 years.



    This is so ridiculously wrong, I’m not sure if you’re hideously misinformed or just wilfully pig-ignorant.
    Then bring out your facts....
    The poster has certainly misattributed the economic woes.  Not tough to find that one of the largest causes was a lending frenzy akin to the housing bubble lending frenzy in America.
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  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Horusra said:
    Gazimoff said:

    3dom said:

    By the way - worker unions and high social insurance cost remove ability for small companies to grow because they cannot provide terms and pay salaries demanded by the unions. That's the reason why there are zero to no startups in EU.



    Also in Japan CEOs often cut their salaries to keep the jobs which are often totally useless - like fax operators. That's the reason why Japanese economy stagnates for 30 years.



    This is so ridiculously wrong, I’m not sure if you’re hideously misinformed or just wilfully pig-ignorant.
    Then bring out your facts....
    The poster has certainly misattributed the economic woes.  Not tough to find that one of the largest causes was a lending frenzy akin to the housing bubble lending frenzy in America.
    Still not seeing anything with a study associated with it so show your info is better....
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Horusra said:
    Horusra said:
    Gazimoff said:

    3dom said:

    By the way - worker unions and high social insurance cost remove ability for small companies to grow because they cannot provide terms and pay salaries demanded by the unions. That's the reason why there are zero to no startups in EU.



    Also in Japan CEOs often cut their salaries to keep the jobs which are often totally useless - like fax operators. That's the reason why Japanese economy stagnates for 30 years.



    This is so ridiculously wrong, I’m not sure if you’re hideously misinformed or just wilfully pig-ignorant.
    Then bring out your facts....
    The poster has certainly misattributed the economic woes.  Not tough to find that one of the largest causes was a lending frenzy akin to the housing bubble lending frenzy in America.
    Still not seeing anything with a study associated with it so show your info is better....
    You have the internet, as evidenced by your posting here.  Google it, or remain ignorant.  I don't care.  It's been a well-documented event.
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  • GazimoffGazimoff Staff WriterMember UncommonPosts: 225

    Horusra said:


    Gazimoff said:



    3dom said:


    By the way - worker unions and high social insurance cost remove ability for small companies to grow because they cannot provide terms and pay salaries demanded by the unions. That's the reason why there are zero to no startups in EU.





    Also in Japan CEOs often cut their salaries to keep the jobs which are often totally useless - like fax operators. That's the reason why Japanese economy stagnates for 30 years.






    This is so ridiculously wrong, I’m not sure if you’re hideously misinformed or just wilfully pig-ignorant.


    Then bring out your facts....



    To quote the UK Office of National Statistics, the 2017 birth rate for new businesses in the UK was 382,000 or 13.1%. That’s a tad more than zero.

    In Japan, the workforce is shrinking as the population is in decline. They cut salaries to retain workers because employees usually stay with a firm for life, mainly because they only promote from within. If they loose employees, it is incredibly difficult to attract new talent.

    But ultimately, I don’t owe a debate to someone coming from a position of bad faith. If you can’t do your own research, that’s on you.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited February 2019
    DMKano said:
    DMKano said:
    Firing someone how is making $30million a year is not exactly going to cause much hardship as those 800 employees who were scraping by.

    Sort of a wasted effort.

    So let's say he gets fired - still has 100million in the bank most likely 
    I don't think (also hope) the object is causing hardship out of a personal grudge.  The motivator should be a lack of foresight that led the company to this position.

    They know full well that firing 800 people is going to cause hardship for quite a few of them if not all ot them

    Not quite the same as firing someone who is making tens of millions.

    I just see the whole effort as misguided


    Sorry, my post wasn't clear.  I meant the effort to get him fired, I hope, isn't based merely on personal grudge, but the lack of foresight that led the company to the position of sacking 800 employees at once.
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  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Horusra said:
    Horusra said:
    Gazimoff said:

    3dom said:

    By the way - worker unions and high social insurance cost remove ability for small companies to grow because they cannot provide terms and pay salaries demanded by the unions. That's the reason why there are zero to no startups in EU.



    Also in Japan CEOs often cut their salaries to keep the jobs which are often totally useless - like fax operators. That's the reason why Japanese economy stagnates for 30 years.



    This is so ridiculously wrong, I’m not sure if you’re hideously misinformed or just wilfully pig-ignorant.
    Then bring out your facts....
    The poster has certainly misattributed the economic woes.  Not tough to find that one of the largest causes was a lending frenzy akin to the housing bubble lending frenzy in America.
    Still not seeing anything with a study associated with it so show your info is better....
    You have the internet, as evidenced by your posting here.  Google it, or remain ignorant.  I don't care.  It's been a well-documented event.
    Typical of internet response with people talking out their ass on the internet and a good reason this site supposedly bans politics, but this is thread is allowed to flow with shit.
  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    DMKano said:
    Firing someone how is making $30million a year is not exactly going to cause much hardship as those 800 employees who were scraping by.

    Sort of a wasted effort.

    So let's say he gets fired - still has 100million in the bank most likely 
    I don't think (also hope) the object is causing hardship out of a personal grudge.  The motivator should be a lack of foresight that led the company to this position.
    and who said it was lack of foresight, unless you have any intel inside the company letting people go was part of the plan, plu sits kind the norm they invest on something hire people for it, then the investment don't pay off anymore, then they close it and fire the people hired for it, maybe keep the real good ones. the problem most lack the foresight to see is, the people who put kotick in there belive he is worth more then 200 people, hence why he is paid that much and hence why he is the boss, don't like it? again start a company yourself
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,060
    edited February 2019
    DMKano said:
    Gdemami said:
    That is why we can't have nice things...

    The self-entitlement of these disgruntled ex-employees is shocking...well, not so much, seems like a good riddance...

    Has it ever occurred to you that maybe us humans dont deserve nice things?

    Thinking that we do is the very entitlement you are so quick to speak against. 



    Every time I see Gdemami, my first thought is that either 1) Andrew Wilson or Bobby Kotick have nothing better to do than to troll a random forum or 2) their shoe polish must taste great to encourage such loving defense.

    I think the latter more likely.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Horusra said:
    Horusra said:
    Horusra said:
    Gazimoff said:

    3dom said:

    By the way - worker unions and high social insurance cost remove ability for small companies to grow because they cannot provide terms and pay salaries demanded by the unions. That's the reason why there are zero to no startups in EU.



    Also in Japan CEOs often cut their salaries to keep the jobs which are often totally useless - like fax operators. That's the reason why Japanese economy stagnates for 30 years.



    This is so ridiculously wrong, I’m not sure if you’re hideously misinformed or just wilfully pig-ignorant.
    Then bring out your facts....
    The poster has certainly misattributed the economic woes.  Not tough to find that one of the largest causes was a lending frenzy akin to the housing bubble lending frenzy in America.
    Still not seeing anything with a study associated with it so show your info is better....
    You have the internet, as evidenced by your posting here.  Google it, or remain ignorant.  I don't care.  It's been a well-documented event.
    Typical of internet response with people talking out their ass on the internet and a good reason this site supposedly bans politics, but this is thread is allowed to flow with shit.
    Dude, I'm not your personal economics professor.  Cry at someone else.
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  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Gazimoff said:

    Horusra said:


    Gazimoff said:



    3dom said:


    By the way - worker unions and high social insurance cost remove ability for small companies to grow because they cannot provide terms and pay salaries demanded by the unions. That's the reason why there are zero to no startups in EU.





    Also in Japan CEOs often cut their salaries to keep the jobs which are often totally useless - like fax operators. That's the reason why Japanese economy stagnates for 30 years.






    This is so ridiculously wrong, I’m not sure if you’re hideously misinformed or just wilfully pig-ignorant.


    Then bring out your facts....



    To quote the UK Office of National Statistics, the 2017 birth rate for new businesses in the UK was 382,000 or 13.1%. That’s a tad more than zero.

    In Japan, the workforce is shrinking as the population is in decline. They cut salaries to retain workers because employees usually stay with a firm for life, mainly because they only promote from within. If they loose employees, it is incredibly difficult to attract new talent.

    But ultimately, I don’t owe a debate to someone coming from a position of bad faith. If you can’t do your own research, that’s on you.

    Thanks for putting up some information...while his zero number is wrong the EU is still the bottom of Startup creation in the 4 major sectors of the world with America being the top and Asia second with India carrying most of that.  Both the top creators of India and America having a large non-unionized sector.


    Gazimoff
  • UtinniUtinni Member EpicPosts: 2,209
    Mmmmm a pseudo-political post on mmorpg. This one is gonna be as good as a star citizen "new ship for sale" thread.
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