Yeah, but since people pirate we all get to suffer.
Never understood that logic. Torrenters don't suffer from DRM. So why make those that pay suffer? Getting a free copy that hypothetically runs better without DRM while those paying get a (again hypothetically) lesser game with DRM is very anti-consumer.
I think their response will be that if they don't sell enough copies they may not recover their costs and consequently go under - giving consumers less choice.
They may also suggest that without DRM they would have to increase the price - extra sales = extra revenue will easily cover the costs if Denuvo.
You forgot to mention btw that pirating could be a factor in deciding whether or not to have a cash shop as well.
This is an issue that has been around a long time. Its a reason that consoles are popular with developers and why GaaS is seen as a way forward.
Well Piracy will always be a problem! and DRM obviously does nothing to stop it rather than inflating cost with bloated software (and the need for the license to use it) that doesn't work how about they just axe it and release it without DRM? it wouldn't affect the game in the end as the same number of people that pirate would pirate and it would be more accessible to the end user with a deflated price this removal of DRM would also reduce the cost to develop but also increase the performance on the computer it runs on!
For DRM to be effective it should be consider more like a vital organ like the heart/hypothalamus in brain instead of being the appendix or 1 kidney (you can live with 1 kidney as the other grows in size to compensate) that way if its removed the game would NEVER function!
The best type of "DRM"/ anti piracy is to do what GTA4 did and make u drunk have uncontrollable cars etc or a FPS which i forgot the name of which made enemies invincible and 1 shot u just make it a piece of code in game if DRM doesnt exist then this happens!
Yeah, but since people pirate we all get to suffer.
Never understood that logic. Torrenters don't suffer from DRM. So why make those that pay suffer? Getting a free copy that hypothetically runs better without DRM while those paying get a (again hypothetically) lesser game with DRM is very anti-consumer.
I think their response will be that if they don't sell enough copies they may not recover their costs and consequently go under - giving consumers less choice.
They may also suggest that without DRM they would have to increase the price - extra sales = extra revenue will easily cover the costs if Denuvo.
You forgot to mention btw that pirating could be a factor in deciding whether or not to have a cash shop as well.
This is an issue that has been around a long time. Its a reason that consoles are popular with developers and why GaaS is seen as a way forward.
Well Piracy will always be a problem! and DRM obviously does nothing to stop it rather than inflating cost with bloated software (and the need for the license to use it) that doesn't work how about they just axe it and release it without DRM? it wouldn't affect the game in the end as the same number of people that pirate would pirate and it would be more accessible to the end user with a deflated price this removal of DRM would also reduce the cost to develop but also increase the performance on the computer it runs on!
For DRM to be effective it should be consider more like a vital organ like the heart/hypothalamus in brain instead of being the appendix or 1 kidney (you can live with 1 kidney as the other grows in size to compensate) that way if its removed the game would NEVER function!
The best type of "DRM"/ anti piracy is to do what GTA4 did and make u drunk have uncontrollable cars etc or a FPS which i forgot the name of which made enemies invincible and 1 shot u just make it a piece of code in game if DRM doesnt exist then this happens!
I agree that piracy will be a problem whilst games continue to be sold - hence why GaaS is seen as a way ahead. And for smaller independent developers who may not want to host games themselves why it will prove to be attractive to go with Microsoft, Google etc.
As for the cost of the DRM though its trivial in the big scheme of things; a red herring.
As for making something a part of the game do you believe that that wouldn't be hacked?
BL3 is $59.99 like every other game from a developer this size.
You forgot to include microtransactions, expansion packs, super-duper special platinum edition, etc. When you factor those (and other money extorting schemes used by AAA developers) the cost is more than $60.
I agree that piracy will be a problem whilst games continue to be sold - hence why GaaS is seen as a way ahead. And for smaller independent developers who may not want to host games themselves why it will prove to be attractive to go with Microsoft, Google etc.
As for the cost of the DRM though its trivial in the big scheme of things; a red herring.
As for making something a part of the game do you believe that that wouldn't be hacked?
Games as a Service (GaaS) isnt the best way forward for the end user at all because it pigeon holes them into always being online which is not always the easiest thing to do but also due to the fact it may be unfavorable platform like "EPIC GAMES" or "EA ORIGIN"! because they over do microtransactions. GaaS works on mobile because of what mobile is but in pc games its a terrible choice which hasn't played well for EA (star wars battlefront 2 and anthem just to name a few)
Piracy is rampant because the cost of gaming is going up due to gimmicky features like VR and raytracing being added (they are nice but not needed for the game to work). Gaming is becoming a Premium service because of this and there is no choice in the matter as a end user and the companies just mark up the prices to stupid amounts trying to "recoup" the cost of development for those unwanted features by the people who will pay instead of pirate.
Features that could be stripped quite easily (including DRM) would save money in development meaning they could still impose a higher than normal price (due to popularity of the brand) instead of $59.99 reducing it by 10-20 dollars it would still turn a profit because development was shorter then in the coming months release a "deluxe" edition upgrade (for the honeymoon period which comes be4 the DLC period) which adds these features in if people want it then they could buy it!
Yeah, but since people pirate we all get to suffer.
Never understood that logic. Torrenters don't suffer from DRM. So why make those that pay suffer? Getting a free copy that hypothetically runs better without DRM while those paying get a (again hypothetically) lesser game with DRM is very anti-consumer.
I think their response will be that if they don't sell enough copies they may not recover their costs and consequently go under - giving consumers less choice.
They may also suggest that without DRM they would have to increase the price - extra sales = extra revenue will easily cover the costs if Denuvo.
You forgot to mention btw that pirating could be a factor in deciding whether or not to have a cash shop as well.
This is an issue that has been around a long time. Its a reason that consoles are popular with developers and why GaaS is seen as a way forward.
Well Piracy will always be a problem! and DRM obviously does nothing to stop it rather than inflating cost with bloated software (and the need for the license to use it) that doesn't work how about they just axe it and release it without DRM? it wouldn't affect the game in the end as the same number of people that pirate would pirate and it would be more accessible to the end user with a deflated price this removal of DRM would also reduce the cost to develop but also increase the performance on the computer it runs on!
For DRM to be effective it should be consider more like a vital organ like the heart/hypothalamus in brain instead of being the appendix or 1 kidney (you can live with 1 kidney as the other grows in size to compensate) that way if its removed the game would NEVER function!
The best type of "DRM"/ anti piracy is to do what GTA4 did and make u drunk have uncontrollable cars etc or a FPS which i forgot the name of which made enemies invincible and 1 shot u just make it a piece of code in game if DRM doesnt exist then this happens!
I agree that piracy will be a problem whilst games continue to be sold - hence why GaaS is seen as a way ahead. And for smaller independent developers who may not want to host games themselves why it will prove to be attractive to go with Microsoft, Google etc.
As for the cost of the DRM though its trivial in the big scheme of things; a red herring.
As for making something a part of the game do you believe that that wouldn't be hacked?
Games as a service force multiplayer on otherwise single player games and that is not done for anti piracy reasons, it is done for cash shop reasons.
Forcing online connectivity as an anti piracy measure can be done without changing the focus of single player franchises but that's not what's happening.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Yeah, but since people pirate we all get to suffer.
Never understood that logic. Torrenters don't suffer from DRM. So why make those that pay suffer? Getting a free copy that hypothetically runs better without DRM while those paying get a (again hypothetically) lesser game with DRM is very anti-consumer.
I think their response will be that if they don't sell enough copies they may not recover their costs and consequently go under - giving consumers less choice.
They may also suggest that without DRM they would have to increase the price - extra sales = extra revenue will easily cover the costs if Denuvo.
You forgot to mention btw that pirating could be a factor in deciding whether or not to have a cash shop as well.
This is an issue that has been around a long time. Its a reason that consoles are popular with developers and why GaaS is seen as a way forward.
Well Piracy will always be a problem! and DRM obviously does nothing to stop it rather than inflating cost with bloated software (and the need for the license to use it) that doesn't work how about they just axe it and release it without DRM? it wouldn't affect the game in the end as the same number of people that pirate would pirate and it would be more accessible to the end user with a deflated price this removal of DRM would also reduce the cost to develop but also increase the performance on the computer it runs on!
For DRM to be effective it should be consider more like a vital organ like the heart/hypothalamus in brain instead of being the appendix or 1 kidney (you can live with 1 kidney as the other grows in size to compensate) that way if its removed the game would NEVER function!
The best type of "DRM"/ anti piracy is to do what GTA4 did and make u drunk have uncontrollable cars etc or a FPS which i forgot the name of which made enemies invincible and 1 shot u just make it a piece of code in game if DRM doesnt exist then this happens!
I agree that piracy will be a problem whilst games continue to be sold - hence why GaaS is seen as a way ahead. And for smaller independent developers who may not want to host games themselves why it will prove to be attractive to go with Microsoft, Google etc.
As for the cost of the DRM though its trivial in the big scheme of things; a red herring.
As for making something a part of the game do you believe that that wouldn't be hacked?
Games as a service force multiplayer on otherwise single player games and that is not done for anti piracy reasons, it is done for cash shop reasons.
I'm sure the Suits in the boardrooms consider it a way to deal with both tbh.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Yeah, but since people pirate we all get to suffer.
Never understood that logic. Torrenters don't suffer from DRM. So why make those that pay suffer? Getting a free copy that hypothetically runs better without DRM while those paying get a (again hypothetically) lesser game with DRM is very anti-consumer.
I think their response will be that if they don't sell enough copies they may not recover their costs and consequently go under - giving consumers less choice.
They may also suggest that without DRM they would have to increase the price - extra sales = extra revenue will easily cover the costs if Denuvo.
You forgot to mention btw that pirating could be a factor in deciding whether or not to have a cash shop as well.
This is an issue that has been around a long time. Its a reason that consoles are popular with developers and why GaaS is seen as a way forward.
Well Piracy will always be a problem! and DRM obviously does nothing to stop it rather than inflating cost with bloated software (and the need for the license to use it) that doesn't work how about they just axe it and release it without DRM? it wouldn't affect the game in the end as the same number of people that pirate would pirate and it would be more accessible to the end user with a deflated price this removal of DRM would also reduce the cost to develop but also increase the performance on the computer it runs on!
For DRM to be effective it should be consider more like a vital organ like the heart/hypothalamus in brain instead of being the appendix or 1 kidney (you can live with 1 kidney as the other grows in size to compensate) that way if its removed the game would NEVER function!
The best type of "DRM"/ anti piracy is to do what GTA4 did and make u drunk have uncontrollable cars etc or a FPS which i forgot the name of which made enemies invincible and 1 shot u just make it a piece of code in game if DRM doesnt exist then this happens!
I agree that piracy will be a problem whilst games continue to be sold - hence why GaaS is seen as a way ahead. And for smaller independent developers who may not want to host games themselves why it will prove to be attractive to go with Microsoft, Google etc.
As for the cost of the DRM though its trivial in the big scheme of things; a red herring.
As for making something a part of the game do you believe that that wouldn't be hacked?
Games as a service force multiplayer on otherwise single player games and that is not done for anti piracy reasons, it is done for cash shop reasons.
I'm sure the Suits in the boardrooms consider it a way to deal with both tbh.
No doubt but the anti piracy bit just requires the online part not the multiplayer part that they're forcing on most AAA games.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I won't be buying, but i already wasn't going to, because of epic store and the whole sending people to a youtubers house to intimidate them...this just completely solidifies it.
Yeah, but since people pirate we all get to suffer.
Never understood that logic. Torrenters don't suffer from DRM. So why make those that pay suffer? Getting a free copy that hypothetically runs better without DRM while those paying get a (again hypothetically) lesser game with DRM is very anti-consumer.
I think their response will be that if they don't sell enough copies they may not recover their costs and consequently go under - giving consumers less choice.
They may also suggest that without DRM they would have to increase the price - extra sales = extra revenue will easily cover the costs if Denuvo.
You forgot to mention btw that pirating could be a factor in deciding whether or not to have a cash shop as well.
This is an issue that has been around a long time. Its a reason that consoles are popular with developers and why GaaS is seen as a way forward.
Well Piracy will always be a problem! and DRM obviously does nothing to stop it rather than inflating cost with bloated software (and the need for the license to use it) that doesn't work how about they just axe it and release it without DRM? it wouldn't affect the game in the end as the same number of people that pirate would pirate and it would be more accessible to the end user with a deflated price this removal of DRM would also reduce the cost to develop but also increase the performance on the computer it runs on!
For DRM to be effective it should be consider more like a vital organ like the heart/hypothalamus in brain instead of being the appendix or 1 kidney (you can live with 1 kidney as the other grows in size to compensate) that way if its removed the game would NEVER function!
The best type of "DRM"/ anti piracy is to do what GTA4 did and make u drunk have uncontrollable cars etc or a FPS which i forgot the name of which made enemies invincible and 1 shot u just make it a piece of code in game if DRM doesnt exist then this happens!
I agree that piracy will be a problem whilst games continue to be sold - hence why GaaS is seen as a way ahead. And for smaller independent developers who may not want to host games themselves why it will prove to be attractive to go with Microsoft, Google etc.
As for the cost of the DRM though its trivial in the big scheme of things; a red herring.
As for making something a part of the game do you believe that that wouldn't be hacked?
Games as a service force multiplayer on otherwise single player games and that is not done for anti piracy reasons, it is done for cash shop reasons.
Forcing online connectivity as an anti piracy measure can be done without changing the focus of single player franchises but that's not what's happening.
There are multiple single player games that have an online component. Hosting single and multi player games online is just the next evolution.
Was already going to avoid it because I don't support publishers sending goons to a fan's house, then getting their Youtube channel deleted. The fact that Randy Pitchford is a lying, cheating swindler (and possible pedophile) certainly doesn't help either.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
Man, I don't want this game or have any desire to play it - but all the people whining about the Epic Store is forcing me into buying it just to support the Epic store and do my part in monopoly-breaking.
I already bought the new Rebel Galaxy on Epic, another game I have no desire to ever play. You guys are costing me a lot of money.
I don't see anyone having hissy fits and whining that they have to download the blizzard launcher store thing to play wow or wow classic.
Yeah, but since people pirate we all get to suffer.
This is not really true. People will pirate the game regardless of if it has Denuvo or not. This is all about the publisher trying to make a little more money upfront from impatient pirates (Who may or may not exist) at the expense of it's actual customers.
Hopefully the game still runs fine with it, other games have, but only time will tell.
Man, I don't want this game or have any desire to play it - but all the people whining about the Epic Store is forcing me into buying it just to support the Epic store and do my part in monopoly-breaking.
I already bought the new Rebel Galaxy on Epic, another game I have no desire to ever play. You guys are costing me a lot of money.
I don't see anyone having hissy fits and whining that they have to download the blizzard launcher store thing to play wow or wow classic.
Edit - wrong reply... true story how do people buy games from blizzard!
Was already going to avoid it because I don't support publishers sending goons to a fan's house, then getting their Youtube channel deleted. The fact that Randy Pitchford is a lying, cheating swindler (and possible pedophile) certainly doesn't help either.
by goons i assume you mean private investigators who were there investigating a potential inside leak at the studio and asked him questions in regards to where he came by the information.
or are you going off some dudes reaction video to tried to hype it into something it isnt for clicks, the guy who it happened to was not threatened, he was just asked about where he came by the leaks etc...
people and companies hire private investigation firms all the time for various reasons.
and his channel is a different story they have every right to petition for his videos to be taken down, i'm sure if it was your game and your stuff getting leaked and you didn't like it you'd do the same. Plus he was selling access to "more leaks" on his discord server also.
Ehh I give it a week before it's cracked. But for some reason some Denuvo games take longer than others.
- I already pre-ordered the collectors edition at Game Stop, and now I am concerned that I won't get 144 / 165 FPS on a game that I should due to Denuvo performance impact not to mention when the CPU / RAM is under heavy usage Denuvo often doesn't like that );.
So now I got two options.
- Keep my pre-order with the assumption that if performance is effected due to Denuvo the company will make the issue right, and resolve it, or issue a refund.
- Cancel my pre-order
As far as the assumption of everyone who hates Denuvo is a pirate is false, I really just don't want shitty performance like in Conan Exiles, and Monster Hunter World, when the PC is under the slightest of loads from other games or tasks, it only happens when Denuvo is there and running with the said games, and effects performance of other processes. ---------------------------------------------- Take for example "Black Desert in High / Remastered Settings".
Can run 6-10 copy's of EVE Online in high and play just fine without crashing.
But I load Conan Exiles, along with Black Desert, and especially around a lot of rendered assets because it's a Sandbox both the game slows down, and other games / tasks take a performance hit too.
Even Battlefield 1 has performance impacts when multiple tasks are running.
This only happens when it's a Denuvo based title, not when non Denuvo titles are in-play.
Why are people acting like this is going to be online only?
It's not.
Depends what DRM they are using. There are a couple versions, one which requires being online.
There are versions of DRM that just require you to be online the first time you launch the game. If you have to download from EGS anyway then you it shouldn't be a problem. It's annoying but that's the way it is these days.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
I have such an giant backlog on games that I can wait for BL3 till it's on Steam Sale for 20 bucks with all DLC's. And after behaving like d**ks the last few months they don't deserve my day-one-money.
And this is why i like CDPR, they don't pull BS stunts like this and they certainly do not treat their customers like criminals. The other thing that CDPR has totally destroyed, is the narrative that DRM protects games and prevents revenue loss due to piracy. People who pirate games were never going to buy the game in the first place, instead genuine customers get hit with a higher priced game due to the costs of DRM and that has performance issues because of it.
Then there is the very valid argument that incorporating DRM like Denuvo actually encourages piracy because it has such a negative impact on games, something everyone is more than aware of by this point.
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For DRM to be effective it should be consider more like a vital organ like the heart/hypothalamus in brain instead of being the appendix or 1 kidney (you can live with 1 kidney as the other grows in size to compensate) that way if its removed the game would NEVER function!
The best type of "DRM"/ anti piracy is to do what GTA4 did and make u drunk have uncontrollable cars etc or a FPS which i forgot the name of which made enemies invincible and 1 shot u just make it a piece of code in game if DRM doesnt exist then this happens!
As for the cost of the DRM though its trivial in the big scheme of things; a red herring.
As for making something a part of the game do you believe that that wouldn't be hacked?
You forgot to include microtransactions, expansion packs, super-duper special platinum edition, etc. When you factor those (and other money extorting schemes used by AAA developers) the cost is more than $60.
Piracy is rampant because the cost of gaming is going up due to gimmicky features like VR and raytracing being added (they are nice but not needed for the game to work). Gaming is becoming a Premium service because of this and there is no choice in the matter as a end user and the companies just mark up the prices to stupid amounts trying to "recoup" the cost of development for those unwanted features by the people who will pay instead of pirate.
Features that could be stripped quite easily (including DRM) would save money in development meaning they could still impose a higher than normal price (due to popularity of the brand) instead of $59.99 reducing it by 10-20 dollars it would still turn a profit because development was shorter then in the coming months release a "deluxe" edition upgrade (for the honeymoon period which comes be4 the DLC period) which adds these features in if people want it then they could buy it!
Forcing online connectivity as an anti piracy measure can be done without changing the focus of single player franchises but that's not what's happening.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
It's not.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
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I already bought the new Rebel Galaxy on Epic, another game I have no desire to ever play. You guys are costing me a lot of money.
I don't see anyone having hissy fits and whining that they have to download the blizzard launcher store thing to play wow or wow classic.
This is not really true. People will pirate the game regardless of if it has Denuvo or not. This is all about the publisher trying to make a little more money upfront from impatient pirates (Who may or may not exist) at the expense of it's actual customers.
Hopefully the game still runs fine with it, other games have, but only time will tell.
or are you going off some dudes reaction video to tried to hype it into something it isnt for clicks, the guy who it happened to was not threatened, he was just asked about where he came by the leaks etc...
people and companies hire private investigation firms all the time for various reasons.
and his channel is a different story they have every right to petition for his videos to be taken down, i'm sure if it was your game and your stuff getting leaked and you didn't like it you'd do the same. Plus he was selling access to "more leaks" on his discord server also.
2 sides to every story.
- I already pre-ordered the collectors edition at Game Stop, and now I am concerned that I won't get 144 / 165 FPS on a game that I should due to Denuvo performance impact not to mention when the CPU / RAM is under heavy usage Denuvo often doesn't like that );.
So now I got two options.
- Keep my pre-order with the assumption that if performance is effected due to Denuvo the company will make the issue right, and resolve it, or issue a refund.
- Cancel my pre-order
As far as the assumption of everyone who hates Denuvo is a pirate is false, I really just don't want shitty performance like in Conan Exiles, and Monster Hunter World, when the PC is under the slightest of loads from other games or tasks, it only happens when Denuvo is there and running with the said games, and effects performance of other processes.
----------------------------------------------
Take for example "Black Desert in High / Remastered Settings".
Can run 6-10 copy's of EVE Online in high and play just fine without crashing.
But I load Conan Exiles, along with Black Desert, and especially around a lot of rendered assets because it's a Sandbox both the game slows down, and other games / tasks take a performance hit too.
Even Battlefield 1 has performance impacts when multiple tasks are running.
This only happens when it's a Denuvo based title, not when non Denuvo titles are in-play.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
The other thing that CDPR has totally destroyed, is the narrative that DRM protects games and prevents revenue loss due to piracy.
People who pirate games were never going to buy the game in the first place, instead genuine customers get hit with a higher priced game due to the costs of DRM and that has performance issues because of it.
Then there is the very valid argument that incorporating DRM like Denuvo actually encourages piracy because it has such a negative impact on games, something everyone is more than aware of by this point.