I don't like the idea of just outright funding someone else's dreams, even if there is a potential reward for me (like a copy of the game). It's just too sketchy for me and feels like I would be throwing money away.
Now, if there was a kickstarter equivalent where instead of funding a project, I could invest in a project, I'd probably be tempted to invest some of my money in projects.
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I always looked at funding a game as a long shot. Banner Saga was awesome and I know it's not an MMO. Most MMOs take 5 years + to release with big budgets. So my expectations are still low for the other 2 games I funded, Pantheon and Ashes of Creation. I would fund Pantheon again but not Ashes. So is short, maybe.
That is the common issue, that crowdfunded MMOs can't get.
What happens is that crowdfunding does work for an MMO and it requires more financial stability (that copes with common delays) and established development team studio (and even game engine) to ever allow a crowdfunded MMO to work as smoothly as a mainstream title.
There is also that pressure to provide pre-testing as early as possible to players what creates an extra sink of time & focus to maintain a live service for title deep in dev (the mainstream MMO only opens to testing once game is by core done already).
NO!!! Never have....NEVER WILL. If you don't have a plan in place to start with...there is NO place to go! Also I hate to say this...but CF needs to be regulated. NOONE knows where this money goes...other than in the pockets of corrupt "con men". Please people, MAKE companies have more responsibility for their business...rather than take them "off the hook" using OPM.
I disagree. If you see crowdfunding as "buying a game", you're dead wrong. What you are doing is "investing", NOT buying. You may be promised a reward of a finished game if it releases, but that release is NOT a given.
Remember, Kickstarter and other crowd funding sites are not store fronts with finished products. They all sell ideas, which can fail.
We don't need regulations, just smarter "investors."
An investment should have higher upside if the game is successful than a simple purchase. If you put in $50 up front, and they promise to repay you $100 if the game brings in $10 million in revenue after costing $1 million to produce, then that could plausibly be called an investment. That's not how crowdfunding works, though.
I never meant to infer that crowd funding investors were savvy
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Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Only if its been in development for minimum 8 years and ready to go on sale as a complete product.
Well, if it's done why kickstart pay ?
because it's not being done?
The game doesn't happen without funds to make it happen. The industry is not a fun reality on the indie aspect there are many people who work for free on the prospect of game sales once, but that will never work for what an MMO requires.
Only if its been in development for minimum 8 years and ready to go on sale as a complete product.
Well, if it's done why kickstart pay ?
because it's not being done?
The game doesn't happen without funds to make it happen. The industry is not a fun reality on the indie aspect there are many people who work for free on the prospect of game sales once, but that will never work for what an MMO requires.
The reality of "revshare" teams is that they spend more time recruiting and replacing people, than actually developing their game.
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Will you ever crowdfund another MMO, or have you given up any hope that this funding method works? I won't be funding again. I put a bit of money (not much, thankfully) into SotA, Shards Online, Camelot Unchained, and The Repopulation, and learned my lesson.
Camelot Unchained: because at the time people were lamenting that there wasn't a new rvrvr game and I thought "what the hell, I'll add enough to pre-buy the game if it comes out" but wasn't all that into it. We'll see if it launches what it turns out to be.
The only game that really drew my attention was Pantheon though I did NOT put into their kickstarter. They didn't show enough of anything and I thought one "what the hell" kickstarter was enough. I did put in $100 once they started showing their dungeons and world. Again, we'll see if it launches.
Would I do another? Nah. I'll wait to see if these launch. Every single person video game I've given money to has launched. Seems that multiplayer, let alone "massive" multiplayer, games have a lot of challenges.
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Supported CU and Repopulation. Wont spend any more money until one of it releases. I loved Vanguard, so Im this close in supporting Pantheon, but atm I wait until there is more existing (like a real game world which is CU still lacking)
Nope, not for MMO's. Got kind of burned on Hex: Shards of Fate and it left a sour taste in my mouth. I might do it again for single player games as I backed Shadowrun Hong Kong, Battletech, Bard's Tale 4, Wasteland 2 and Divine Divinity: Original Sin 2 and they all turned out pretty well. All of those games were made by reputable developers with proven successful track records and I had little doubt they would deliver.
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Never again! I've been waiting...and waiting...aaaand WAITING on Camelot Unchained. I've given up hope after investing an embarrassing amount of money on something that, I believe, will just never come to fruition...regardless of their fabulous news updates.
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Never again! I've been waiting...and waiting...aaaand WAITING on Camelot Unchained. I've given up hope after investing an embarrassing amount of money on something that, I believe, will just never come to fruition...regardless of their fabulous news updates.
Keep waiting, they seem to be going the route of Star Citizen.
Never again! I've been waiting...and waiting...aaaand WAITING on Camelot Unchained. I've given up hope after investing an embarrassing amount of money on something that, I believe, will just never come to fruition...regardless of their fabulous news updates.
Just give em 18 months
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I think Star Citizen is going to bomb (though I hope not), and that it will be the Heaven's Gate of the crowd funding industry (film, not the cult). Post Star Citizen, I expect to see a lot less major money grabs by "indie" producers. And possibly even legislation and regulation.
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I think Star Citizen is going to bomb (though I hope not), and that it will be the Heaven's Gate of the crowd funding industry (film, not the cult). Post Star Citizen, I expect to see a lot less major money grabs by "indie" producers. And possibly even legislation and regulation.
I wouldn't mind seeing regulations, especially of the financial end. It is far too easy for companies to take advantage of their customers. That's an opportunity that some don't have the discipline to refuse. It's easy money, and only the customers get hurt. Bad business practices run amok.
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No, I don't think I ever will again. The problem with this model is that it's basically free money without any repercussions.... so devs take the funding and don't get that you have to be practical with your project and by far the most important thing is that you have to finish, you have to hit deadlines.
For me crowdfunding has become the same thing as giving a homeless man sitting on the corner begging for money 20 bucks. You think to yourself what if everybody gave him 20.. he could get a hotel room, clean himself up for an interview. Get a job, get an apartment etc etc etc... but he doesn't, he blows his money and you will find him next week sitting right there on the street.
These companies are the same way, they just beg for money and throw it all away. They are spending 5+ years.. hell getting almost to a decade without creating or producing anything. It's disgusting and all we are doing is giving our money away so that they can have their fun, playing with their toys and getting nothing out the door.
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What happens is that crowdfunding does work for an MMO and it requires more financial stability (that copes with common delays) and established development team studio (and even game engine) to ever allow a crowdfunded MMO to work as smoothly as a mainstream title.
There is also that pressure to provide pre-testing as early as possible to players what creates an extra sink of time & focus to maintain a live service for title deep in dev (the mainstream MMO only opens to testing once game is by core done already).
I spend money on Kickstarters
I have a problem. I admit it.
Kickstarters Anonymous where are you?
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- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
The game doesn't happen without funds to make it happen. The industry is not a fun reality on the indie aspect there are many people who work for free on the prospect of game sales once, but that will never work for what an MMO requires.
Practice doesn't make perfect, practice makes permanent.
"At one point technology meant making tech that could get to the moon, now it means making tech that could get you a taxi."
Camelot Unchained: because at the time people were lamenting that there wasn't a new rvrvr game and I thought "what the hell, I'll add enough to pre-buy the game if it comes out" but wasn't all that into it. We'll see if it launches what it turns out to be.
The only game that really drew my attention was Pantheon though I did NOT put into their kickstarter. They didn't show enough of anything and I thought one "what the hell" kickstarter was enough. I did put in $100 once they started showing their dungeons and world. Again, we'll see if it launches.
Would I do another? Nah. I'll wait to see if these launch. Every single person video game I've given money to has launched. Seems that multiplayer, let alone "massive" multiplayer, games have a lot of challenges.
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Assuming of course it ever matures past being little more than a construction simulator.
Show me players shooting each other....or shooting space stations...or rocks even.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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But even it has been slow, and it seems far off. Most of the other games don't even seem real at this point.
I don't think I'd back another crowdfunded MMO.
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Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
For me crowdfunding has become the same thing as giving a homeless man sitting on the corner begging for money 20 bucks. You think to yourself what if everybody gave him 20.. he could get a hotel room, clean himself up for an interview. Get a job, get an apartment etc etc etc... but he doesn't, he blows his money and you will find him next week sitting right there on the street.
These companies are the same way, they just beg for money and throw it all away. They are spending 5+ years.. hell getting almost to a decade without creating or producing anything. It's disgusting and all we are doing is giving our money away so that they can have their fun, playing with their toys and getting nothing out the door.