My quick review for the Not-So-Expert-Gamer/Jeez Dark Souls Sucked Crowd:
Just finished the "tutorial" area. A lot of "push this button while holding this other button" stuff (using controller, don't usually but can't imagine using K/M). Combat is definitely Dark Souls like. I have it on second easiest difficulty and died many times. You can chance difficulty on the fly thankfully. If you didn't like DS combat you WILL NOT like this. Just a warning.
You will have to memorize different button pushes for combat. "Push this button to block blaster bolts. Push it quicker to deflect back to enemy." "Push this button to attack, while also pushing another one to parry. Parry quick enough to push another button to super attack." "Push this to jump, but hold this one to not actually fall." I'm too old for that shit. Their are popups to tell you what to push when but in the heat of battle it's hard to see sometimes.
Using Origin Premium so I'm not pissed. I was scared off when I kept hearing DS-esque. The Uncharted aspects as the review showed are pretty nice though. But waaaaay to much DS for the average gamer.
YMMV but I though someone should chime in to warn the DS adverse folks.
And I SWEAR to god I don't want to see Git Gud! The call of the self-punishing gamer if I ever saw one.
I guess my question is, how many difficulty settings are on offer? How large is the leap between difficulties?
I've always been of the mindset that a large number of difficulty settings with smaller climbs between them are better. Easy, Medium, Hard works, but ideally, you'd have somewhere in the range of 5-10 difficulties.
I don't want to turn off all threat of death altogether. I want a difficulty setting where my chances of losing are low, but I always feel as though I'm engaged with the game's combat and actively trying to win.
4 difficulty settings. plenty of range for all players. the game is essentially tomb raider. tons of puzzles. thats what actually make the game harder unless you look up how to solve them.
Im a sci-fi nerd but i dont actually like star wars, intrinisically i dont think it is very good, it just has high production value given how profitable it can be.
Video games are some of the cheapest entertainment that can be had.
Pro-tip: to prevent disappointment when buying games, wait a week or two for the cannon fodder to play the game to get an idea of it. It is a single player game, no race to play the game, not one benefit to playing the game first, just wait, do 10 minutes of customer reviews and watch it on youtube or twitch and then make your decision. I do that with most games i play, if i do choose to buy it, then i wait for a sale.
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My quick review for the Not-So-Expert-Gamer/Jeez Dark Souls Sucked Crowd:
Just finished the "tutorial" area. A lot of "push this button while holding this other button" stuff (using controller, don't usually but can't imagine using K/M). Combat is definitely Dark Souls like. I have it on second easiest difficulty and died many times. You can chance difficulty on the fly thankfully. If you didn't like DS combat you WILL NOT like this. Just a warning.
You will have to memorize different button pushes for combat. "Push this button to block blaster bolts. Push it quicker to deflect back to enemy." "Push this button to attack, while also pushing another one to parry. Parry quick enough to push another button to super attack." "Push this to jump, but hold this one to not actually fall." I'm too old for that shit. Their are popups to tell you what to push when but in the heat of battle it's hard to see sometimes.
Using Origin Premium so I'm not pissed. I was scared off when I kept hearing DS-esque. The Uncharted aspects as the review showed are pretty nice though. But waaaaay to much DS for the average gamer.
YMMV but I though someone should chime in to warn the DS adverse folks.
And I SWEAR to god I don't want to see Git Gud! The call of the self-punishing gamer if I ever saw one.
have you tried to compare the combat difficulty to the lowest? I wonder if that would make things more palatable.
Yep as soon as my breakfast is done and eaten I'm going to try it on Story Mode. Just popped in to write a quick review/get some things off my chest!
story mode is very easy. really hard to die in combat. most deaths are from falling while jumping. the puzzles are challenging unless you look them up.
Cons - Woefully short: See you in a year or two when it is on more than a 50% discount. I won't pay for a trailer that is masquerading as a full priced game.
Well, if it really is 25/30 hours, it's not really short.
That's five to six days for me then, rather short.
and for others like me who dont have time to sit and game daily, thats a good amount of game.
@Iselin As I said it wasn't really hence two posts.
The first - the "sarcastic" LotR post - was in response to multiple suggestions that if a game wasn't "such and such a length" it wouldn't be on their radar. Which is the wrong approach imo. There are many great games that are also "short". And games which "tell a story" are often on the "short" side. As are most films - hence my short "sarcastic" post.
Now when it comes to price and is a short game good or poor value etc. different question. There have been multiple reports of game player numbers dropping though when a popular TV show airs and those setting the price know this - its all "entertainment". Not the only factor though - I am sure that positioning Origin as a "good value" for example will be in the mix as well.
Personally I was going to buy the game at Game Stop, but since I found out it uses Denuvo not going to, and if I were to rate this game i'd give a flat zero because through-out the entire game it uses additional resources it does not need by using Denuvo, and slowing down a persons performance and PC more than needed.
But this is just me, i'll be waiting if the game goes Free 2 Play in the future on Origin, but until then not worth my money, though I have my eyes on Cyberpunk 2077, think i'll snag me a collectors edition shortly for $200+ at Game Stop DRM free with Multi-Player support said to come love them developers a lot over Bioware except for the Older Jedi Knight Dark Forces II, and Jedi Knight Academy / original KOTR game.</div>
The game runs at 120FPS pretty much all the time, why are you bothered by Denuvo when it doesn't impact the game at all.
@Iselin As I said it wasn't really hence two posts.
The first - the "sarcastic" LotR post - was in response to multiple suggestions that if a game wasn't "such and such a length" it wouldn't be on their radar. Which is the wrong approach imo. There are many great games that are also "short". And games which "tell a story" are often on the "short" side. As are most films - hence my short "sarcastic" post.
Now when it comes to price and is a short game good or poor value etc. different question. There have been multiple reports of game player numbers dropping though when a popular TV show airs and those setting the price know this - its all "entertainment". Not the only factor though - I am sure that positioning Origin as a "good value" for example will be in the mix as well.
The point is that length is as valid a reason as any to not play that game just as it is perfectly fine for someone to think that's just dandy and play it.
I haven't seen any posts telling you guys who are fine with the length that you're wrong for buying it and playing it but I've seen plenty saying just that to those who aren't fine with it... even trolls accusing those of us who don't as just EA hate in disguise lol.
Have a look at the whole thread and tell me just who is objecting to whose taste in game length.
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15 hours, the length of time the reviewer stated it took him to finish the game, is not a full length game, IMO. I'm not going to pay full price for it. Maybe *next* Christmas I'll buy the GOTY at a steep discount.
BTW, I got my Platinum on Sekiro, and that took a *lot* longer than 15 hours for me to get.
15 hours if you ignore pretty much all of the exploration. Took me 18 hours to beat it and another 5 hours to find everything else. So around 23 hours to platinum it.
I don't like this game, too much verticality, in fact it's over done in my opinion; and they did a terrible job on their interpretation of Dathomir. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dathomir
"The planet, lit red by its central star, had numerous continents that were overrun with vegetation, forests, and swamplands."
Cons - Woefully short: See you in a year or two when it is on more than a 50% discount. I won't pay for a trailer that is masquerading as a full priced game.
Well, if it really is 25/30 hours, it's not really short.
Cons - Woefully short: See you in a year or two when it is on more than a 50% discount. I won't pay for a trailer that is masquerading as a full priced game.
Well, if it really is 25/30 hours, it's not really short.
For that price they asking it is.
How do you feel about God of War, the Uncharted Series, the Tomb Raider series, and The Last of Us charging full price? All of those games are about the same length.
Cons - Woefully short: See you in a year or two when it is on more than a 50% discount. I won't pay for a trailer that is masquerading as a full priced game.
Well, if it really is 25/30 hours, it's not really short.
I got just over 32 hours, and am around 90% completed on all planets/areas.
Pre-ordered months ago on PS4 and felt extremely justified for my experience. I had a hell of a good time playing through it this weekend, and it hit all the right "Star Wars" buttons for me to have an enjoyable playthrough. Only potential con for me was that the hero and storyline were a bit vanilla, but that's always been Star Wars, right? I'd easily give it a 9/10 as well.
15-40 hours of play time would last me quite a while, and if they're enjoyable $60 would be well spent, IMO.
Also, I've noticed that I've been playing games on easier settings myself lately as I get older. I want to enjoy the ride/story more than be challenged by the experience I guess. Maybe that can be it's own Thread post, but I'm sure it has been a bunch already.
I've played through for a few hours. It's pretty much Star Wars Parkour. The story is pretty good, but it's mostly jump over this, scale this wall. I wouldn't give it a 9/10 it's more of a 7.5/10 at best.
So, I'm hearing a lot of comparisons to Dark Souls mechanics, which I do not like.
Is the game difficult and does it offer difficulty settings?
I agree with you that I don't personally enjoy Souls-like mechanics (not knocking it; it's just not my preferred style of play). Though this game has some very obvious similarities, in my opinion it is nowhere near as unforgiving as Souls-like games.
Yes, you have healing items that (seem to be) only replenished by "meditating" at dedicated locations - which reset enemies, but save points are quite abundant, and your objective is fairly clearly laid out - meaning you run into these points and can meditate with little duplication of fighting.
It's also Souls-like in that you will want to master parrying. I play at the second-highest difficulty level, and do not find it to be near as challenging as Dark Souls. Dark Souls is a bit of a timesink in that you have to adjust to and memorize many different enemies' tactics (e.g.: parry 1 second after his left arm moves overhead). JFO is much more forgiving offering (arguably too-easy) visible cues to where you can easily defeat new enemies during your first few encounters.
Give it a shot. I don't prefer Dark Souls (though, it is a captivating, well-executed game series), but I really like what JFO has done to dip their toe into that genre.
Getting an Origins Premier subscription is eventually the best option to play the game. Subbing for a month costs ~15 bucks. As long as you play the game within that month, you probably get the best money to value ratio.
Besides that, I enjoy the game so far. I'm playing it on the second hardest mode which seems to resonate well with players that have some experienced with action RPGs. The planet of Bracca is well designed. Even though you're experiencing just a nutshell of that starship scrap yard planet, while parcouring a star destroyer you learn about game movement and features. And from time to time, you may also take a break at vista points.
Currently, I'm 3 hours in and am done with the storyline introduction at the second planet. According to the map, there's still a lot of stuff to discover on that planet but for now, I'm off to Zeffo.
I think it's a well-made action RPG in a somewhat fresh Star Wars setting.
Cons - Woefully short: See you in a year or two when it is on more than a 50% discount. I won't pay for a trailer that is masquerading as a full priced game.
Well, if it really is 25/30 hours, it's not really short.
That's five to six days for me then, rather short.
and for others like me who dont have time to sit and game daily, thats a good amount of game.
I was explaining why I won't get it at full price, but if 25 hours works for you then crack on.
So I have now spent about 20+ hours in game and am not done with it yet.
I would say that ten hours have been spent actually completing content, and the remainder 10 hours have been spent looking for hidden areas etc.
For the most part, the hidden things to collect are 100% worthless:
You can customize your light saber but there are no benefits to doing so.
You can customize your hobo poncho with one of many different poncho looks.
You can customize the paint scheme of not your ship.
You can get an upgrade to your life pool. OK that is worthwhile.
You can get an upgrade to your force pool. OK that is worthwhile.
You can get an upgrade to the number of stim packs you can carry.
Difficulty
I have been playing on the Jedi Master (second from top) difficulty level. I have found combat to be both challenging and rewarding, when you do it correctly. At this difficulty level, you are not an invulnerable juggernaut; you will need to block properly, dodge roll properly, and apply the correct force powers at the correct time. The unblockable telegraphs are very quick but still avoidable.
I have 5 stim packs at this point in the game and basically if I need to pop 2 or 3 to learn how to fight a new enemy, it is no big deal.
Mob Density
The game seems like it is more about puzzle solving than combat and fighting stormtroopers. It is extremely fun to be able to fight many stormtroopers at the same time, but so far I have never encountered more than 6-7 in one spot.
World Design
The maps are very beautiful. Some of the scenery is just fantastic. No complaints here; the game is absolutely breathtaking and really embodies the whole "Star Wars" feeling.
Character Design
The writing and dialogue between the characters is excellent and the voice acting superb. I am also quite happy that there is no social justice warrior campaigning behind the scenes.
Jedi / Sith Fights
Compared to other Star Wars games, the amount of encounters with other force-wielders is drastically reduced. I really enjoyed that because it really illustrates that in the Star Wars universe, not every 3rd character is a Jedi or Sith. Also there are stormtroopers specifically outfitted to fight force-wielders, which I found interesting.
I have only been in two light-saber duels. Both were very fun and interesting on the higher difficulty level. I really had to work at it to survive. What I did not like is that one Sith character has force powers that the main character could never have (teleportation) and from what I recall are not part of the Star Wars canon.
I also do not like how the MC is susceptible to force powers but the opponent is not. Anyways, it was still enjoyable.
My rating so far: 7/10
I am happy I only have to pay 15€ for this. It is also worth every € of that 15€.
I have the feeling I am probably about done with the game story-wise.
I do not like the fact that you have to keep going back and forth to planets you have been to, in order to find some locked door that was 15 minutes travel time, and is now able to be opened.
I would have preferred more open environments with more stormtroopers, instead of the spelunking we have now. It is okay, but most of the time I am in a cave or tunnel etc.
If I had to summarize this game, I would call it "Tomb Raider with Star Wars theme + a light saber"
I am happy I only have to pay 15€ for this. It is also worth every € of that 15€.
I have the feeling I am probably about done with the game story-wise.
I do not like the fact that you have to keep going back and forth to planets you have been to, in order to find some locked door that was 15 minutes travel time, and is now able to be opened.
I would have preferred more open environments with more stormtroopers, instead of the spelunking we have now. It is okay, but most of the time I am in a cave or tunnel etc.
If I had to summarize this game, I would call it "Tomb Raider with Star Wars theme + a light saber"
A P.S with how many hours it took to finish would be useful.
Erm guess what, Denuvo only protected the game for 3 days, now only legitimate customers have to put up with the performance issues .
But CyberPunk 2077 comes out in like 4 months I bet despite being 100% DRM free that the game makes a lot more income than Jedi Fallen Order, or Borderlands 3, only time will tell................................
Also no need to upgrade my PC it's not a potato, it's the fact that Denuvo runs in "VM Code" so when your CPU is running like 5 copy's of EVE Online, and or Black Desert" even though your computer can handle all that and play a Denuvo title, the Denuvo code itself leads to stuttering in the game and micro freezes it's annoying and customers should not be limited or hit hard by this );.
Erm guess what, Denuvo only protected the game for 3 days, now only legitimate customers have to put up with the performance issues .
But CyberPunk 2077 comes out in like 4 months I bet despite being 100% DRM free that the game makes a lot more income than Jedi Fallen Order, or Borderlands 3, only time will tell.
Yes, all my performance issues that make me run to forums to I can "rabble, rabble rabble."
It's unplayable!
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Personally I was going to buy the game at Game Stop, but since I found out it uses Denuvo not going to, and if I were to rate this game i'd give a flat zero because through-out the entire game it uses additional resources it does not need by using Denuvo, and slowing down a persons performance and PC more than needed.
But this is just me, i'll be waiting if the game goes Free 2 Play in the future on Origin, but until then not worth my money, though I have my eyes on Cyberpunk 2077, think i'll snag me a collectors edition shortly for $200+ at Game Stop DRM free with Multi-Player support said to come love them developers a lot over Bioware except for the Older Jedi Knight Dark Forces II, and Jedi Knight Academy / original KOTR game.
So this is AAA game with its short playthrough artificially extended by a lot of backtracking, poor story and run-of-the-mill combat and it gets 9/10? Reviews are truly useless those days when people fail at basic math.
I feel like it is a 4/10.
But first, reviews are an opinion it has nothing to do with math (lol) and more to do with the reviewers personal taste. Lets clear that up.
Second, the game is good I feel the progression is nice starting out but then you start repeating planets and while I enjoy exploring the entire story is me trying to restore the Jedi order...which evidently can be done by only exploring a few planets.
Combat - Is ok, it does get far more interesting as you progress but one thing that never gets better is how clunky movement feels over all. The game says when you are stating off that you will have a better experience with a controller over M/KB and I hope that is the case. Mouse and Keyboard is just clunky to the point of making some simple obstacles extremely difficult due to camera angles and the odd layout of the keys.
The art is cool, story is pretty meh but we really have not seen a new star wars story in ages. You're a lone Jedi, resuscitate the order, rinse and repeat ad naseum. Same story, different year. Or movie...or whatever SW any more.
Controls are absolute crap. Having to go back to planet after planet get boring real quick.
Limited customization, you have no say in what Cal (the main character, you) look like, which I get is common for single player RPGS, but just lazy game design IMO. It is possible to change up your light saber a bit but everything else is just skins for your ship, droid and poncho. Lol yeah, Poncho, you can change the color of your Poncho...extremely lazy game design here. Oh no! Darth Poncho!
The ending...yeah just a complete letdown. Again, lazy.
So once again, we see what could have been something really good, designed and produced with the goal of mediocrity. Its not a bad game, but it isn't any better than mediocre at it brightest spot. 9/10 is laughable, even based on opinion that is extremely lazy reviewing.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
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Video games are some of the cheapest entertainment that can be had.
Pro-tip: to prevent disappointment when buying games, wait a week or two for the cannon fodder to play the game to get an idea of it. It is a single player game, no race to play the game, not one benefit to playing the game first, just wait, do 10 minutes of customer reviews and watch it on youtube or twitch and then make your decision. I do that with most games i play, if i do choose to buy it, then i wait for a sale.
Helps, i have no video game friends to play with
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The first - the "sarcastic" LotR post - was in response to multiple suggestions that if a game wasn't "such and such a length" it wouldn't be on their radar. Which is the wrong approach imo. There are many great games that are also "short". And games which "tell a story" are often on the "short" side. As are most films - hence my short "sarcastic" post.
Now when it comes to price and is a short game good or poor value etc. different question. There have been multiple reports of game player numbers dropping though when a popular TV show airs and those setting the price know this - its all "entertainment". Not the only factor though - I am sure that positioning Origin as a "good value" for example will be in the mix as well.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
The game runs at 120FPS pretty much all the time, why are you bothered by Denuvo when it doesn't impact the game at all.
I haven't seen any posts telling you guys who are fine with the length that you're wrong for buying it and playing it but I've seen plenty saying just that to those who aren't fine with it... even trolls accusing those of us who don't as just EA hate in disguise lol.
Have a look at the whole thread and tell me just who is objecting to whose taste in game length.
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15 hours if you ignore pretty much all of the exploration. Took me 18 hours to beat it and another 5 hours to find everything else. So around 23 hours to platinum it.
Not a super long game but worth the 60$ for sure.
For that price they asking it is.
I got just over 32 hours, and am around 90% completed on all planets/areas.
Pre-ordered months ago on PS4 and felt extremely justified for my experience. I had a hell of a good time playing through it this weekend, and it hit all the right "Star Wars" buttons for me to have an enjoyable playthrough. Only potential con for me was that the hero and storyline were a bit vanilla, but that's always been Star Wars, right? I'd easily give it a 9/10 as well.
Also, I've noticed that I've been playing games on easier settings myself lately as I get older. I want to enjoy the ride/story more than be challenged by the experience I guess. Maybe that can be it's own Thread post, but I'm sure it has been a bunch already.
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I agree with you that I don't personally enjoy Souls-like mechanics (not knocking it; it's just not my preferred style of play). Though this game has some very obvious similarities, in my opinion it is nowhere near as unforgiving as Souls-like games.
Yes, you have healing items that (seem to be) only replenished by "meditating" at dedicated locations - which reset enemies, but save points are quite abundant, and your objective is fairly clearly laid out - meaning you run into these points and can meditate with little duplication of fighting.
It's also Souls-like in that you will want to master parrying. I play at the second-highest difficulty level, and do not find it to be near as challenging as Dark Souls. Dark Souls is a bit of a timesink in that you have to adjust to and memorize many different enemies' tactics (e.g.: parry 1 second after his left arm moves overhead). JFO is much more forgiving offering (arguably too-easy) visible cues to where you can easily defeat new enemies during your first few encounters.
Give it a shot. I don't prefer Dark Souls (though, it is a captivating, well-executed game series), but I really like what JFO has done to dip their toe into that genre.
Besides that, I enjoy the game so far. I'm playing it on the second hardest mode which seems to resonate well with players that have some experienced with action RPGs. The planet of Bracca is well designed. Even though you're experiencing just a nutshell of that starship scrap yard planet, while parcouring a star destroyer you learn about game movement and features. And from time to time, you may also take a break at vista points.
Currently, I'm 3 hours in and am done with the storyline introduction at the second planet. According to the map, there's still a lot of stuff to discover on that planet but for now, I'm off to Zeffo.
I think it's a well-made action RPG in a somewhat fresh Star Wars setting.
But CyberPunk 2077 comes out in like 4 months I bet despite being 100% DRM free that the game makes a lot more income than Jedi Fallen Order, or Borderlands 3, only time will tell................................ Also no need to upgrade my PC it's not a potato, it's the fact that Denuvo runs in "VM Code" so when your CPU is running like 5 copy's of EVE Online, and or Black Desert" even though your computer can handle all that and play a Denuvo title, the Denuvo code itself leads to stuttering in the game and micro freezes it's annoying and customers should not be limited or hit hard by this );.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I feel like it is a 4/10.
But first, reviews are an opinion it has nothing to do with math (lol) and more to do with the reviewers personal taste. Lets clear that up.
Second, the game is good I feel the progression is nice starting out but then you start repeating planets and while I enjoy exploring the entire story is me trying to restore the Jedi order...which evidently can be done by only exploring a few planets.
Combat - Is ok, it does get far more interesting as you progress but one thing that never gets better is how clunky movement feels over all. The game says when you are stating off that you will have a better experience with a controller over M/KB and I hope that is the case. Mouse and Keyboard is just clunky to the point of making some simple obstacles extremely difficult due to camera angles and the odd layout of the keys.
The art is cool, story is pretty meh but we really have not seen a new star wars story in ages. You're a lone Jedi, resuscitate the order, rinse and repeat ad naseum. Same story, different year. Or movie...or whatever SW any more.
Controls are absolute crap. Having to go back to planet after planet get boring real quick.
Limited customization, you have no say in what Cal (the main character, you) look like, which I get is common for single player RPGS, but just lazy game design IMO. It is possible to change up your light saber a bit but everything else is just skins for your ship, droid and poncho. Lol yeah, Poncho, you can change the color of your Poncho...extremely lazy game design here. Oh no! Darth Poncho!
The ending...yeah just a complete letdown. Again, lazy.
So once again, we see what could have been something really good, designed and produced with the goal of mediocrity. Its not a bad game, but it isn't any better than mediocre at it brightest spot. 9/10 is laughable, even based on opinion that is extremely lazy reviewing.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
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