If you’re referring to pre orders that’s fine. Too bad we are talking about released games since that’s what was in the list.
SC is playable but it lacks what most of those games on the list have and that would be meaningful gameplay hence my comment about selling you dreams on how gameplay might be if they get it to work
...irrelevant, nonsensical gibberish.
1) pre-order or released, you are not paying for gameplay unless there is a demo which there isn't in most cases
2) you explicitely stated that people are paying for gameplay and since SC is playable, people must be paying for SC gameplay
You can' have it both ways - people either pay for gameplay, including SC or they are not paying for gameplay and your "argument" is invalid.
If you’re referring to pre orders that’s fine. Too bad we are talking about released games since that’s what was in the list.
SC is playable but it lacks what most of those games on the list have and that would be meaningful gameplay hence my comment about selling you dreams on how gameplay might be if they get it to work
...irrelevant, nonsensical gibberish.
1) pre-order or released, you are not paying for gameplay unless there is a demo which there is'nt in most cases
2) you explicitely stated that people are paying for gameplay and since SC is playable, people must be paying for SC gameplay
You can' have it both ways - people either pay for gameplay, including SC or they are not paying for gameplay and your "argument" is invalid.
If you’re referring to pre orders that’s fine. Too bad we are talking about released games since that’s what was in the list.
SC is playable but it lacks what most of those games on the list have and that would be meaningful gameplay hence my comment about selling you dreams on how gameplay might be if they get it to work
...irrelevant, nonsensical gibberish.
1) pre-order or released, you are not paying for gameplay unless there is a demo which there isn't in most cases
2) you explicitely stated that people are paying for gameplay and since SC is playable, people must be paying for SC gameplay
You can' have it both ways - people either pay for gameplay, including SC or they are not paying for gameplay and your "argument" is invalid.
Yep I’m done with you. When you want to have an adult conversation we can chat but until then have fun being the court jester
Star Citizen alpha is released and playable for years now, it's continuous updates along with the crescent in funding and player engagement showcases an ever evolving community happy with the game's direction.
Doesn't really matter what the haters personally think of it.
"Star Citizen alpha is released and playable for years now." These are your words. And you don't see this as in any way alarming?
I am not sure why this is in the SC section as it applies to FO76 as well. As bad as FO is it has launched, you can't make fair comparison there. And that cuts both ways, maybe SC will be better than FO76 we don't know. Putting SC in the same category as FO76 was unfair.
But I must agree that Erillion needs to take his shades of if he thinks you can compare successful games that are out making tons of money with a game that is making tons of money but is not out.
Star Citizen alpha is released and playable for years now, it's continuous updates along with the crescent in funding and player engagement showcases an ever evolving community happy with the game's direction.
Doesn't really matter what the haters personally think of it.
"Star Citizen alpha is released and playable for years now." These are your words. And you don't see this as in any way alarming?
Nop.
Usual whale blind naive "gamer"!
Darkfall was also in Alpha for years! See what I did there?
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Star Citizen alpha is released and playable for years now, it's continuous updates along with the crescent in funding and player engagement showcases an ever evolving community happy with the game's direction.
Doesn't really matter what the haters personally think of it.
"Star Citizen alpha is released and playable for years now." These are your words. And you don't see this as in any way alarming?
Nop.
Usual whale blind naive "gamer"!
Darkfall was also in Alpha for years! See what I did there?
Not realy. What did you "whale blind naive gamer" did there?
Star Citizen doesn't really have a business model yet. They don't have a product, they don't have sales of a product, they have no return on investment, they have no schedule for any of these things.
A business model implies a business, where the business has a product or service and sells it. SC doesn't have a product and isn't selling anything. The website makes it clear you aren't buying anything if you make a donation.
It would be interesting to know how all the money is counted. Does SC pay income tax? Is the money considered income? What is the tax on $300 million?
Star Citizen doesn't really have a business model yet. They don't have a product, they don't have sales of a product, they have no return on investment, they have no schedule for any of these things.
A business model implies a business, where the business has a product or service and sells it. SC doesn't have a product and isn't selling anything. The website makes it clear you aren't buying anything if you make a donation.
It would be interesting to know how all the money is counted. Does SC pay income tax? Is the money considered income? What is the tax on $300 million?
They call it a donation or pledge but they are charging VAT which immediately disqualifies it as a donation or pledge.
Haters gonna get special editions of 20 different games at price of Kraken Privateer.
Fans gonna get gifs.
what part of you can buy all the ships in game with in game currency at launch that doesn't compute? Buying ships now is exactly like buying a kickstarter package. So sick and fucking tired all this god damn fucking trolling. don't even answer, you are blocked.
Then stay out of these threads. You are trying to defend the indefensible as far as these people are concerned. Do you also hit yourself on the head with a hammer?
Haters gonna get special editions of 20 different games at price of Kraken Privateer.
Fans gonna get gifs.
what part of you can buy all the ships in game with in game currency at launch that doesn't compute? Buying ships now is exactly like buying a kickstarter package. So sick and fucking tired all this god damn fucking trolling. don't even answer, you are blocked.
When that becomes available then we can talk about it until then it’s all a pipe dream.
personally i think its a great business model. you sell pictures of ships making millions and just keep saying it will come out soon. then when people start getting restless sell them more pictures of ships and tell them soon.
Well all those games in that list are released whereas star citizen can still be considered a pre alpha making money off of people’s dreams
....you just rephrased Quizzical's post - SC is not released yet.
You still haven't answered how does it make any difference though.
Released games have progression, the primary pillar of any worthwhile game, risk vs reward, winners and losers who go down in the record books...SC has none of this.
Right now SC is like playing poker (missing 1/3 of the cards) for funsies ....sure you could do it....but why?
No need to answer, I'm well aware people do all sorts of irrational activities, (live in tiny houses, eat sushi, watch cooking shows, base jumping, play games on the Switch) this is just one of the legion.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Star Citizen doesn't really have a business model yet. They don't have a product, they don't have sales of a product, they have no return on investment, they have no schedule for any of these things.
A business model implies a business, where the business has a product or service and sells it. SC doesn't have a product and isn't selling anything. The website makes it clear you aren't buying anything if you make a donation.
It would be interesting to know how all the money is counted. Does SC pay income tax? Is the money considered income? What is the tax on $300 million?
Wrong. All Of It. Just plain wrong.
Not only they have a business model but a thriving one, not only they have a product but a very unique and sought after one that not only keeps getting better but making more people eager for it. Cloud Imperium has made a business of selling the possibility to support and try their product in advance to make it come to fruition.
The project was announced in the end of 2012 and playable demo's have been available to try since 2013, those have been updated and improved ever since providing unique gameplay experiences that players have been enjoying and searching for as it's shown by the constant increase of players and funding showcased every year.
And it's really only getting started As the game gets more and more and more fleshed and polished the more players will join the fun!
This year might have been arecord year, but 2020 will be even better
About the "buying ships" question: Yes. This has been talked about. Extensively. Talked about to death i might say. Current status: No, you cannot buy all ships for real world cash after the game has launched. Only 3 starter ships (small size) with varying roles (fighter, miner, allrounder). Will there be buffs? Maybe. Currently there are none. It has also been discussed to death. If there are buffs, they are minor (think: +3 %) and temporary. Coming from ship tuning, which may be an NSC and/or a player service. There are no plans for World of Tanks type "premium ammo" or such things. People speculate that the biggest advantage comes from doing a series of missions for certain mission givers and being awarded special ship modules/weapons. So do not get your ship destroyed, as you will lose these special modules if your ship gets scrapped. You get the insured hull back, but only with standard basic modules.
About the "buying ships" question: Yes. This has been talked about. Extensively. Talked about to death i might say. Current status: No, you cannot buy all ships for real world cash after the game has launched. Only 3 starter ships (small size) with varying roles (fighter, miner, allrounder). Will there be buffs? Maybe. Currently there are none. It has also been discussed to death. If there are buffs, they are minor (think: +3 %) and temporary. Coming from ship tuning, which may be an NSC and/or a player service. There are no plans for World of Tanks type "premium ammo" or such things. People speculate that the biggest advantage comes from doing a series of missions for certain mission givers and being awarded special ship modules/weapons. So do not get your ship destroyed, as you will lose these special modules if your ship gets scrapped. You get the insured hull back, but only with standard basic modules.
Have fun
I’d bet dollar to donuts they continue to sell all ships for real cash whenever the game “officially” launches and that they will add additional things to the cash shop. Why stop a money printing service when the fans are more then willing to continue to throw money at you no questions asked?
the base price of starcitizen is 45$ thats it. no subscription costs....
you can get the single player game and the multiplayer game at 60$ [package]
its a skill based game.... you can buy the biggest baddest ship in the game. However, no crew to man those guns, patrol the halls of your ship and the 20$ merlin [standalone ship] will own you with a skilled fighter.... or less than skilled fighter who shoots your ship with enough bullets.
where publishers back a game, this game is backed by its userbase.
I'd laugh if SC turned out to be just another money laundering operation. It's definitely got the right setup to it.
this is a troll. doesn't provide anything useful. just opinion. no citation, no sources, thinks is in the know..... but cant tell you why it might be a scam.....
Garick said: Depending on what you start out with it is possible to earn a 155 dollar ship in game within a day or two. You can also hand mine in caves and on the surface of moons and planets earning around 30-40k an hour so about 42ish trips via hand mining would net you 155 dollar ship as well.
Earning these ships in-game without excessive grind?! The worst business model ever right there I'm telling ya!
And these people call the backers delusional... /eyeroll
Good Lord. We have no idea what the policy to buy ships in game is going to look like. We don't even have a hint of a launch date. Even ethical game makers change that stuff around until the last minute.
Given the sheer amount of money being made by selling ships, I do suspect that they will figure out a way (via a soft launch) to keep selling ships. And they will not make it easy for people to catch up with the whales who have been floating them for years and years.
Great, but all opinion. I have not heard of any of these people, so, really, who gives a shit what they think?
Fake news, click bait.
I mean all these awards on any show or website are just opinion's. Doesn't make em fake news. Sekiro won game of the year at the Game Awards. Doesn't mean it was actually the de facto Game of the Year. I hated Sekiro.
Same thing when some reviews something and you don't agree. Its all just an opinion doesn't make your way of thinking right or wrong.
Yeah but white knights hate when anything is posted that portrays SC or CI in even a slightly negative light and must be shot down with screams of hater or fake news
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1) pre-order or released, you are not paying for gameplay unless there is a demo which there isn't in most cases
2) you explicitely stated that people are paying for gameplay and since SC is playable, people must be paying for SC gameplay
You can' have it both ways - people either pay for gameplay, including SC or they are not paying for gameplay and your "argument" is invalid.
But I must agree that Erillion needs to take his shades of if he thinks you can compare successful games that are out making tons of money with a game that is making tons of money but is not out.
Darkfall was also in Alpha for years! See what I did there?
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
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Fans gonna get gifs.
Right now SC is like playing poker (missing 1/3 of the cards) for funsies ....sure you could do it....but why?
No need to answer, I'm well aware people do all sorts of irrational activities, (live in tiny houses, eat sushi, watch cooking shows, base jumping, play games on the Switch) this is just one of the legion.
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there are over 110 Playable ships in game now. that you can buy in game now....
there are 4 game modes. universe [3.8 multiple spawn locations], racing, starmarine [fps] arena commander [dogfighting]
multiple planets and moons.
FOIP [face over IP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeZLuIocFx0 ]
the base price of starcitizen is 45$ thats it. no subscription costs....
you can get the single player game and the multiplayer game at 60$ [package]
its a skill based game.... you can buy the biggest baddest ship in the game. However, no crew to man those guns, patrol the halls of your ship and the 20$ merlin [standalone ship] will own you with a skilled fighter.... or less than skilled fighter who shoots your ship with enough bullets.
where publishers back a game, this game is backed by its userbase.
You can watch people play LIVE now: https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Star%20Citizen
why the change in scope: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14414-Letter-From-The-Chairman-Happy-New-Year
the roadmap: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/roadmap/board/1-Star-Citizen
google.... its apparently hard.....
How to identify a troll: cannot cite or source information.... only provides opinion and never qualifies their statements...
And these people call the backers delusional...
/eyeroll
Given the sheer amount of money being made by selling ships, I do suspect that they will figure out a way (via a soft launch) to keep selling ships. And they will not make it easy for people to catch up with the whales who have been floating them for years and years.
Fake news, click bait.
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