Alpha 3.8 released

MaxBacon · December 2019

Update page: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/17370-Alpha-38-New-Frontiers

The next major update hits on Q1 2020, but before several ships including the long-awaited Carrack will release on a 3.8.x update.

IceAge · December 2019

Fast forward : The next major update hits on Q1 2030, but before several ships including the long-awaited Cack will release on a 7.8.x Alpha Update.

Scorchien · December 2019

Thats not bad , so at this rate we can expect it to release in 2034

rpmcmurphy · December 2019

MoleHD (an avid fan with over $1000 spent) had this to say about 3.8

They shoved it out the door since the natives were revolting...The live build they fired out in haste is actually worse than the last PTU build from yesterday. So far in the live build...I've had an hour of new bugs, landed at Levski and promptly crashed to desktop.

Bed logouts can now cause a locked state where you can't get up from the bed and needs an account reset to fix it...I suspect there'll be a few rushed fixes appearing over the next week. PTU is still up and folks are still testing and firing in IC reports.

I've gone back to the PTU instead of playing the live build to find some more bugs :rolleyes:

MaxBacon · December 2019

rpmcmurphy said:

MoleHD (an avid fan with over $1000 spent) had this to say about 3.8

They shoved it out the door since the natives were revolting...The live build they fired out in haste is actually worse than the last PTU build from yesterday. So far in the live build...I've had an hour of new bugs, landed at Levski and promptly crashed to desktop.

Bed logouts can now cause a locked state where you can't get up from the bed and needs an account reset to fix it...I suspect there'll be a few rushed fixes appearing over the next week. PTU is still up and folks are still testing and firing in IC reports.

I've gone back to the PTU instead of playing the live build to find some more bugs

There isn't much time left with the Christmas break I think so pushing it and hotfixing the worst issues is already undergoing

Kefo · December 2019

MaxBacon said:

rpmcmurphy said:

MoleHD (an avid fan with over $1000 spent) had this to say about 3.8

They shoved it out the door since the natives were revolting...The live build they fired out in haste is actually worse than the last PTU build from yesterday. So far in the live build...I've had an hour of new bugs, landed at Levski and promptly crashed to desktop.

Bed logouts can now cause a locked state where you can't get up from the bed and needs an account reset to fix it...I suspect there'll be a few rushed fixes appearing over the next week. PTU is still up and folks are still testing and firing in IC reports.

I've gone back to the PTU instead of playing the live build to find some more bugs

There isn't much time left with the Christmas break I think so pushing it and hotfixing the worst issues is already undergoing

Sounds like CI. Release an abortion of a live build so they can say they kept to their schedule (even though they cut out a bunch of features) and then try to fix the worst of the bugs over the next few years.

Babuinix · December 2019

Seems to be doing alright

Elsabolts · December 2019

The Game is taking to long to make.

MaxBacon · December 2019

Kefo said:

MaxBacon said:

rpmcmurphy said:

MoleHD (an avid fan with over $1000 spent) had this to say about 3.8

They shoved it out the door since the natives were revolting...The live build they fired out in haste is actually worse than the last PTU build from yesterday. So far in the live build...I've had an hour of new bugs, landed at Levski and promptly crashed to desktop.

Bed logouts can now cause a locked state where you can't get up from the bed and needs an account reset to fix it...I suspect there'll be a few rushed fixes appearing over the next week. PTU is still up and folks are still testing and firing in IC reports.

I've gone back to the PTU instead of playing the live build to find some more bugs

There isn't much time left with the Christmas break I think so pushing it and hotfixing the worst issues is already undergoing

Sounds like CI. Release an abortion of a live build so they can say they kept to their schedule (even though they cut out a bunch of features) and then try to fix the worst of the bugs over the next few years.

The live builds often get some severe issues just with the heavier load the servers get on release on the same build that is running on the ptu servers at times, so isn't anything new.

This patch also got a major server overhaul that is the long-awaited SOCS, so nothing unreasonable it gets more server instability initially from such a core change on how the game-server now has to work.

Kefo · December 2019

MaxBacon said:

Kefo said:

MaxBacon said:

rpmcmurphy said:

MoleHD (an avid fan with over $1000 spent) had this to say about 3.8

They shoved it out the door since the natives were revolting...The live build they fired out in haste is actually worse than the last PTU build from yesterday. So far in the live build...I've had an hour of new bugs, landed at Levski and promptly crashed to desktop.

Bed logouts can now cause a locked state where you can't get up from the bed and needs an account reset to fix it...I suspect there'll be a few rushed fixes appearing over the next week. PTU is still up and folks are still testing and firing in IC reports.

I've gone back to the PTU instead of playing the live build to find some more bugs

There isn't much time left with the Christmas break I think so pushing it and hotfixing the worst issues is already undergoing

Sounds like CI. Release an abortion of a live build so they can say they kept to their schedule (even though they cut out a bunch of features) and then try to fix the worst of the bugs over the next few years.

The live builds often get some severe issues just with the heavier load the servers get on release on the same build that is running on the ptu servers at times, so isn't anything new.

This patch also got a major server overhaul that is the long-awaited SOCS, so nothing unreasonable it gets more server instability initially from such a core change on how the game-server now has to work.

So you’re saying their network backbone is woefully equipped to handle the stresses of a new patch or you’re just using that excuse to cover up the fact they were rushing another patch to say they kept to their schedule

newbismx · December 2019

Babuinix said:

Seems to be doing alright

Idk man- Lots of us (many, I suspect) are watching these streams for the lulz,or for curiosity or merely to see what nearly 300 Million can do for a game.

This IS the behemoth and lots of people are waiting with bated breath for each update-Not necessarily lots of customers (I imagine most of them would be playing)

Its sometimes hard to look away from a train wreck- Especially one as titanic as this one, moving in slow motion towards...Something.

newbismx · December 2019

Kefo said:

MaxBacon said:

Kefo said:

MaxBacon said:

rpmcmurphy said:

MoleHD (an avid fan with over $1000 spent) had this to say about 3.8

They shoved it out the door since the natives were revolting...The live build they fired out in haste is actually worse than the last PTU build from yesterday. So far in the live build...I've had an hour of new bugs, landed at Levski and promptly crashed to desktop.

Bed logouts can now cause a locked state where you can't get up from the bed and needs an account reset to fix it...I suspect there'll be a few rushed fixes appearing over the next week. PTU is still up and folks are still testing and firing in IC reports.

I've gone back to the PTU instead of playing the live build to find some more bugs

There isn't much time left with the Christmas break I think so pushing it and hotfixing the worst issues is already undergoing

Sounds like CI. Release an abortion of a live build so they can say they kept to their schedule (even though they cut out a bunch of features) and then try to fix the worst of the bugs over the next few years.

The live builds often get some severe issues just with the heavier load the servers get on release on the same build that is running on the ptu servers at times, so isn't anything new.

This patch also got a major server overhaul that is the long-awaited SOCS, so nothing unreasonable it gets more server instability initially from such a core change on how the game-server now has to work.

So you’re saying their network backbone is woefully equipped to handle the stresses of a new patch or you’re just using that excuse to cover up the fact they were rushing another patch to say they kept to their schedule

c'mon man- Its an alpha.

Development only REALLY started last week.

MaxBacon · December 2019

Kefo said:
So you’re saying their network backbone is woefully equipped to handle the stresses of a new patch or you’re just using that excuse to cover up the fact they were rushing another patch to say they kept to their schedule

No, it has nothing to do with that.

Other patches were more smooth because they come with normal features instead of a core overhaul that changes how the game-servers work, which creates a wide variety of issues initially, as client-side OCS did.

ALSO this is such a silly post, we all know online games releases frequently face issues and break in many different ways, and that on fully released games not on alphas, so one needs to be tad petty to have a go at SC for the patch struggles that get mitigated/hotfixed quickly nuf.

Kefo · December 2019

MaxBacon said:

Kefo said:
So you’re saying their network backbone is woefully equipped to handle the stresses of a new patch or you’re just using that excuse to cover up the fact they were rushing another patch to say they kept to their schedule

No, it has nothing to do with that.

Other patches were more smooth because they come with normal features instead of a core overhaul that changes how the game-servers work, which creates a wide variety of issues initially, as client-side OCS did.

ALSO this is such a silly post, we all know online games releases frequently face issues and break in many different ways, and that on fully released games not on alphas, so one needs to be tad petty to have a go at SC for the patch struggles that get mitigated/hotfixed quickly nuf.

Why would it be a silly post? They have a PTU for a reason and according to the one backer there are more issues on the live release then there is with the ptu.

so that either means

1)the PTU is just for show and CI doesn’t actually try to fix any of the bugs before pushing to live
2)the PTU is there to help better the game but because they have to release before the end of the year to say they made their deadline they don’t care how badly it’s breaks the live build.

Ive done QA for games in alpha and beta and what CI does would make any real QA tester sweat. They should be collecting the feedback from the testers (or in this case backers) and then spend time to fix all the major bugs that would completely eff up their game before pushing it to live and in some cases send it back to QA to retest all the fixes and make sure nothing really borked the game. Smaller bugs and the horrible game breaking bugs that might have been missed can still make it through but this seems par for the course for CI

Kefo · December 2019

newbismx said:

Kefo said:

MaxBacon said:

Kefo said:

MaxBacon said:

rpmcmurphy said:

MoleHD (an avid fan with over $1000 spent) had this to say about 3.8

They shoved it out the door since the natives were revolting...The live build they fired out in haste is actually worse than the last PTU build from yesterday. So far in the live build...I've had an hour of new bugs, landed at Levski and promptly crashed to desktop.

Bed logouts can now cause a locked state where you can't get up from the bed and needs an account reset to fix it...I suspect there'll be a few rushed fixes appearing over the next week. PTU is still up and folks are still testing and firing in IC reports.

I've gone back to the PTU instead of playing the live build to find some more bugs

There isn't much time left with the Christmas break I think so pushing it and hotfixing the worst issues is already undergoing

Sounds like CI. Release an abortion of a live build so they can say they kept to their schedule (even though they cut out a bunch of features) and then try to fix the worst of the bugs over the next few years.

The live builds often get some severe issues just with the heavier load the servers get on release on the same build that is running on the ptu servers at times, so isn't anything new.

This patch also got a major server overhaul that is the long-awaited SOCS, so nothing unreasonable it gets more server instability initially from such a core change on how the game-server now has to work.

So you’re saying their network backbone is woefully equipped to handle the stresses of a new patch or you’re just using that excuse to cover up the fact they were rushing another patch to say they kept to their schedule

Kefo said:

MaxBacon said:

Kefo said:

MaxBacon said:

rpmcmurphy said:

MoleHD (an avid fan with over $1000 spent) had this to say about 3.8

They shoved it out the door since the natives were revolting...The live build they fired out in haste is actually worse than the last PTU build from yesterday. So far in the live build...I've had an hour of new bugs, landed at Levski and promptly crashed to desktop.

Bed logouts can now cause a locked state where you can't get up from the bed and needs an account reset to fix it...I suspect there'll be a few rushed fixes appearing over the next week. PTU is still up and folks are still testing and firing in IC reports.

I've gone back to the PTU instead of playing the live build to find some more bugs

There isn't much time left with the Christmas break I think so pushing it and hotfixing the worst issues is already undergoing

Sounds like CI. Release an abortion of a live build so they can say they kept to their schedule (even though they cut out a bunch of features) and then try to fix the worst of the bugs over the next few years.

The live builds often get some severe issues just with the heavier load the servers get on release on the same build that is running on the ptu servers at times, so isn't anything new.

This patch also got a major server overhaul that is the long-awaited SOCS, so nothing unreasonable it gets more server instability initially from such a core change on how the game-server now has to work.

So you’re saying their network backbone is woefully equipped to handle the stresses of a new patch or you’re just using that excuse to cover up the fact they were rushing another patch to say they kept to their schedule

c'mon man- Its an alpha.

Development only REALLY started last week.

I’d laugh but I’m sure there are some backers on the official forums who would believe that line if Chris uttered it

Octagon7711 · December 2019

I like having a choice to login at major locations. Don't like how they killed being able to bring your ships up in your hangars. As to pushing stuff back, it's the new/old normal for them.

MaxBacon · December 2019

Kefo said:
Why would it be a silly post? They have a PTU for a reason and according to the one backer there are more issues on the live release then there is with the ptu.

so that either means

1)the PTU is just for show and CI doesn’t actually try to fix any of the bugs before pushing to live
2)the PTU is there to help better the game but because they have to release before the end of the year to say they made their deadline they don’t care how badly it’s breaks the live build.

Ive done QA for games in alpha and beta and what CI does would make any real QA tester sweat. They should be collecting the feedback from the testers (or in this case backers) and then spend time to fix all the major bugs that would completely eff up their game before pushing it to live and in some cases send it back to QA to retest all the fixes and make sure nothing really borked the game. Smaller bugs and the horrible game breaking bugs that might have been missed can still make it through but this seems par for the course for CI

Yes, but PTU does not cover the type of issue, such as the same thing happens on games that do betas, etc... pre-release, the issues relevant to mass concurrency on the servers be simply the mere fact there is heavy concurrency and the services overwhelm causing parts of the game to stop working.

Most of the PTU worse state of the release builds is fixed during the longest PTU that is during the Evocati, the general PTU kicks in to get concurrency, that works, then live release.

I work on support for QA for software for quite some years now, a game of this scale and complexity is obvious a daunting QA task as there is so many possible scenarios that need to be tested due to its more open sandbox sim nature that no QA team can get that.

The QA still do their work, collecting feedback and documenting supporting developers, the development directors are however those who take the decision to decide for a vast number of reasons what is a "must-fix" what can get a temporary work-around and what is deemed not a priority for the current milestone.

3.8 PTU build was more stable than the LIVE one, that happens be either by a patch or by simple concurrency surfacing new issues.

NorseGod · December 2019

rpmcmurphy said:

MoleHD (an avid fan with over $1000 spent) had this to say about 3.8

They shoved it out the door since the natives were revolting...The live build they fired out in haste is actually worse than the last PTU build from yesterday. So far in the live build...I've had an hour of new bugs, landed at Levski and promptly crashed to desktop.

Bed logouts can now cause a locked state where you can't get up from the bed and needs an account reset to fix it...I suspect there'll be a few rushed fixes appearing over the next week. PTU is still up and folks are still testing and firing in IC reports.

I've gone back to the PTU instead of playing the live build to find some more bugs

Utinni · December 2019

newbismx said:

Babuinix said:

Seems to be doing alright

Idk man- Lots of us (many, I suspect) are watching these streams for the lulz,or for curiosity or merely to see what nearly 300 Million can do for a game.

This IS the behemoth and lots of people are waiting with bated breath for each update-Not necessarily lots of customers (I imagine most of them would be playing)

Its sometimes hard to look away from a train wreck- Especially one as titanic as this one, moving in slow motion towards...Something.

Is someone really bragging about SC being 65th on twitch? Yikes

Viper482 · December 2019

2031: Alpha 7.1 released! Four new ships for sale!

Kyleran · December 2019

MaxBacon said:

Kefo said:
Why would it be a silly post? They have a PTU for a reason and according to the one backer there are more issues on the live release then there is with the ptu.

so that either means

1)the PTU is just for show and CI doesn’t actually try to fix any of the bugs before pushing to live
2)the PTU is there to help better the game but because they have to release before the end of the year to say they made their deadline they don’t care how badly it’s breaks the live build.

Ive done QA for games in alpha and beta and what CI does would make any real QA tester sweat. They should be collecting the feedback from the testers (or in this case backers) and then spend time to fix all the major bugs that would completely eff up their game before pushing it to live and in some cases send it back to QA to retest all the fixes and make sure nothing really borked the game. Smaller bugs and the horrible game breaking bugs that might have been missed can still make it through but this seems par for the course for CI

Yes, but PTU does not cover the type of issue, such as the same thing happens on games that do betas, etc... pre-release, the issues relevant to mass concurrency on the servers be simply the mere fact there is heavy concurrency and the services overwhelm causing parts of the game to stop working.

Most of the PTU worse state of the release builds is fixed during the longest PTU that is during the Evocati, the general PTU kicks in to get concurrency, that works, then live release.

I work on support for QA for software for quite some years now, a game of this scale and complexity is obvious a daunting QA task as there is so many possible scenarios that need to be tested due to its more open sandbox sim nature that no QA team can get that.

The QA still do their work, collecting feedback and documenting supporting developers, the development directors are however those who take the decision to decide for a vast number of reasons what is a "must-fix" what can get a temporary work-around and what is deemed not a priority for the current milestone.

3.8 PTU build was more stable than the LIVE one, that happens be either by a patch or by simple concurrency surfacing new issues.

Please stop saying "LIVE", gets my hopes up, just for a moment, until the crushing reality the true live launch is so many years away.

Kyleran · December 2019

Babuinix said:

Seems to be doing alright

There are two released products having people playing actual games?

Lots of people enjoy testing an unfinished game? (Why, I don't know, bored maybe, I get paid to test software)

Not seeing your point.

klash2def · December 2019

so maybe 2025?

Arglebargle · December 2019

So, When-It's-Ready doesn't apply to this patch?

Shocked I say!

MaxBacon · December 2019

Arglebargle said:

So, When-It's-Ready doesn't apply to this patch?

Shocked I say!

Dem negative spin. Professional naysayers y'all are.

SC: Major update releases
Naysayers: Err... Oh, look! Bugs! Boooooo SC!

Octagon7711 said:

I like having a choice to login at major locations. Don't like how they killed being able to bring your ships up in your hangars. As to pushing stuff back, it's the new/old normal for them.

The hangars is the design that they'll have to be physically present on the game-world, I think the current design is a sort of housing, they haven't prioritized because the spawning in and all is being done with the public stations & locations hangars.

Kefo · December 2019

MaxBacon said:

Arglebargle said:

So, When-It's-Ready doesn't apply to this patch?

Shocked I say!

Dem negative spin. Professional naysayers y'all are.

SC: Major update releases
Naysayers: Err... Oh, look! Bugs! Boooooo SC!

CI: we won’t release until we have done testing and it’s as bug free as possible.
Fans: take as long as you want we don’t care!
CI releases horribly buggy patch to say they kept to their schedule
Fans: this patch is pretty buggy and worse than PTU.
Critics: wow that’s a buggy patch. What happened to taking your time?
Fans: negative spin! Haters!

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"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey

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