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Epic Invokes '1984' As Apple Blocks Fortnite

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  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    adam_nox said:
    How did 30% become the norm for this? It seems ridiculous. What's really needed is regulation of digital platform fees to some sort of max like 15% or 10% plus provable costs from a single app.
    No, what is needed is to have alternative methods of installing apps on the device you paid for and that alone would help regulate costs through competition. 
    OzmodanGdemami
  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    adam_nox said:
    How did 30% become the norm for this? It seems ridiculous. What's really needed is regulation of digital platform fees to some sort of max like 15% or 10% plus provable costs from a single app.
    It's not an issue that any other developer is causing a stink about.  All the consoles charge a 30% fee as well, you'd think that it would be small indie devs that would be speaking out, not some Chinese owned mega-corp.

    Epic is just riling up children and getting them to attack.  That's a far worse manipulation in this case imo.
    Nope, it takes money to fight things like this and Epic took a long time to get to the point they can actually do something about it. This isn’t a new topic.

    And they’re not a chinese owned corp. Be real here.
    anothername
  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    remsleep said:
    adam_nox said:
    How did 30% become the norm for this? It seems ridiculous. What's really needed is regulation of digital platform fees to some sort of max like 15% or 10% plus provable costs from a single app.
    It's not an issue that any other developer is causing a stink about.  All the consoles charge a 30% fee as well, you'd think that it would be small indie devs that would be speaking out, not some Chinese owned mega-corp.

    Epic is just riling up children and getting them to attack.  That's a far worse manipulation in this case imo.
    Nope, it takes money to fight things like this and Epic took a long time to get to the point they can actually do something about it. This isn’t a new topic.

    And they’re not a chinese owned corp. Be real here.

    48% percent tencent ownership, 2 Chinese board members...

    Yeah let's ignore that, zero influence.. ehm
    Still angry? 
  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    remsleep said:
    remsleep said:
    adam_nox said:
    How did 30% become the norm for this? It seems ridiculous. What's really needed is regulation of digital platform fees to some sort of max like 15% or 10% plus provable costs from a single app.
    It's not an issue that any other developer is causing a stink about.  All the consoles charge a 30% fee as well, you'd think that it would be small indie devs that would be speaking out, not some Chinese owned mega-corp.

    Epic is just riling up children and getting them to attack.  That's a far worse manipulation in this case imo.
    Nope, it takes money to fight things like this and Epic took a long time to get to the point they can actually do something about it. This isn’t a new topic.

    And they’re not a chinese owned corp. Be real here.

    48% percent tencent ownership, 2 Chinese board members...

    Yeah let's ignore that, zero influence.. ehm
    Still angry? 

    Lol no - but my emotional state has exactly what to do with tencent and epic being in bed together?

    How about staying on topic?
    The day they control Epic i’ll follow you in the hate. Until then it’s pointless debate. Tencent is trying to get their hands in everything that is clear, but they don’t have any control over Epic. If they did I doubt the Hong Kong comments would have stood.
  • CuddleheartCuddleheart Member UncommonPosts: 391
    adam_nox said:
    How did 30% become the norm for this? It seems ridiculous. What's really needed is regulation of digital platform fees to some sort of max like 15% or 10% plus provable costs from a single app.
    It's not an issue that any other developer is causing a stink about.  All the consoles charge a 30% fee as well, you'd think that it would be small indie devs that would be speaking out, not some Chinese owned mega-corp.

    Epic is just riling up children and getting them to attack.  That's a far worse manipulation in this case imo.
    Nope, it takes money to fight things like this and Epic took a long time to get to the point they can actually do something about it. This isn’t a new topic.

    And they’re not a chinese owned corp. Be real here.
    Lololol I feel like I'm the only one being real dude...all indie devs do is bitch about stuff.  They are Chinese owned.  And they are weaponizing our children.  

    But yeah, just a common company looking out for devs rights...lol.  Try making money off a game published by epic without giving them a cut on micro transactions...
    Gdemamianothername
  • foxgirlfoxgirl Member RarePosts: 485
    edited August 2020
    30% fee for selling everytime you buy something either in game or the game itself is extortion. Sure they can just not take their business elsewhere, but when you have the market cornered like this it's not a free market, it's the huge corp sitting on competition.

    Love the Apple Man though, that's pretty clever. lol
    Gdemami
  • CuddleheartCuddleheart Member UncommonPosts: 391
    remsleep said:
    foxgirl said:
    30% fee for selling everytime you buy something either in game or the game itself is extortion. Sure they can just not take their business elsewhere, but when you have the market cornered like this it's not a free market, it's the huge corp sitting on competition.

    Love the Apple Man though, that's pretty clever. lol


    You do realize that Playstation and xbox also take 30% cut.

    Yet Epic has no problem there even though vast majority of Fortnite players are on consoles.


    Don't forget Steam takes 30% too!  Epic's Store even takes 12% and they only go that low because they are DESPERATE to cut into Steam's share.
    [Deleted User]Gdemami
  • NeoyoshiNeoyoshi Member RarePosts: 1,489
    It's fascinating how far the pendulum has swung since 1984.


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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,053
    Epic and the Chinese = bad
    Epic and free games = bad
    Epic challenging other companies = bad
    Epic not being a carbon copy of Steam = bad
    Epic asking for less % of a fee = bad
    Epic solving world hunger = bad

    Some people... All these companies are grade A douches, there really isn’t any difference so the ‘love’ or ‘hate’ for specific ones is really misguided.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir

    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    edited August 2020
    Rhoklaw said:
    Vrika said:
    Rhoklaw said:
    Technically, aren't utility companies monopolies than? Since I only have 1 choice for electric, water and gas?
    Yes, utility companies are often monopolies. They are also heavily regulated because of that.
    Is that why I'm being charged a minimum flat fee for water whether I use that amount each month or not? Sure, I could water my neighbors lawn and still not register enough water usage to break their minimum. Doesn't sound very regulated to me.
    There's regulation that ensures you don't suddenly have to face decision between paying $300 a month extra for your water and having the water cut.

    It doesn't mean the regulation would be smart, but for utilities with no competition it is there.


    Your regulation for water sounds really stupid. Your charge should be a flat fee for the upkeep of water network + a charge based on how much you use. Handling the upkeep costs with some kind of flat fee that includes X amount of water hasn't been ecologically acceptable solution for decades now.
     
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    laserit said:
    30% is cheap, you’d choke on your Cheerios if you saw the retail markups that you pay on your everyday items. 300% plus markups are not uncommon.
    Walmart does not throw your product out of their store if you sell it with smaller markup on your factory outlet.

    Apple and Google do.
     
  • CuddleheartCuddleheart Member UncommonPosts: 391
    edited August 2020
    Vrika said:
    laserit said:
    30% is cheap, you’d choke on your Cheerios if you saw the retail markups that you pay on your everyday items. 300% plus markups are not uncommon.
    Walmart does not throw your product out of their store if you sell it with smaller markup on your factory outlet.

    Apple and Google do.
    Oh really?  Try getting into a distro deal with Walmart and then undercut their sales and see how long you have that distribution deal.  In fact, most retailers fuck you impossibly bad on the prices they pay.  If you manage to get paid at all, good luck being able to undercut...Putting companies in this position is literally how Amazon is the largest retailer in the world.

    Again, Epic LITERALLY does the exact.same.thing.  Again, I defy you to put your game on Epic's store and then circumvent their 12% fees.

    Go ahead, I'll wait here...

    Can you guys stop being corporate shills now?  Tencent is worth like 500 Billion dollars.  This isn't the little guy vs the big guy.  If you wanna discuss the store fees, that's reasonable.  Stop making it like poor little Epic games is being abused by Apple and Google.  The level in which some of you are manipulable is disturbing...
    Gdemami
  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    adam_nox said:
    How did 30% become the norm for this? It seems ridiculous. What's really needed is regulation of digital platform fees to some sort of max like 15% or 10% plus provable costs from a single app.
    It's not an issue that any other developer is causing a stink about.  All the consoles charge a 30% fee as well, you'd think that it would be small indie devs that would be speaking out, not some Chinese owned mega-corp.

    Epic is just riling up children and getting them to attack.  That's a far worse manipulation in this case imo.
    Nope, it takes money to fight things like this and Epic took a long time to get to the point they can actually do something about it. This isn’t a new topic.

    And they’re not a chinese owned corp. Be real here.
    Lololol I feel like I'm the only one being real dude...all indie devs do is bitch about stuff.  They are Chinese owned.  And they are weaponizing our children.  

    But yeah, just a common company looking out for devs rights...lol.  Try making money off a game published by epic without giving them a cut on micro transactions...
    You’re being ignorant. 
    Ozmodan
  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    adam_nox said:
    How did 30% become the norm for this? It seems ridiculous. What's really needed is regulation of digital platform fees to some sort of max like 15% or 10% plus provable costs from a single app.
    No, what is needed is to have alternative methods of installing apps on the device you paid for and that alone would help regulate costs through competition. 
    Yeah right, like we have with Android where alternative sites are loaded with malware.  That is why many of us buy Apple phones so we don't have to worry about that!!!  

  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,177
    Ozmodan said:
    adam_nox said:
    How did 30% become the norm for this? It seems ridiculous. What's really needed is regulation of digital platform fees to some sort of max like 15% or 10% plus provable costs from a single app.
    No, what is needed is to have alternative methods of installing apps on the device you paid for and that alone would help regulate costs through competition. 
    Yeah right, like we have with Android where alternative sites are loaded with malware.  That is why many of us buy Apple phones so we don't have to worry about that!!!  

    Apple phones are made in China.

  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    Ozmodan said:
    adam_nox said:
    How did 30% become the norm for this? It seems ridiculous. What's really needed is regulation of digital platform fees to some sort of max like 15% or 10% plus provable costs from a single app.
    No, what is needed is to have alternative methods of installing apps on the device you paid for and that alone would help regulate costs through competition. 
    Yeah right, like we have with Android where alternative sites are loaded with malware.  That is why many of us buy Apple phones so we don't have to worry about that!!!  

     The OS is responsible for security, not the store. That’s there to generate income. 
    Gdemami
  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,053
    Rhoklaw said:
    lahnmir said:
    Epic and the Chinese = bad
    Epic and free games = bad
    Epic challenging other companies = bad
    Epic not being a carbon copy of Steam = bad
    Epic asking for less % of a fee = bad
    Epic solving world hunger = bad

    Some people... All these companies are grade A douches, there really isn’t any difference so the ‘love’ or ‘hate’ for specific ones is really misguided.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir

    No one is saying what EGS is doing is bad. Literally anyone here, including myself has been saying the same thing since EGS came into existence. It's design is atrocious and barebone. So why would I leave something as good as STEAM for that? Because EGS wants to throw exclusives and free games at you? Sorry, but no. If they can't take the time and money and invest it in actually creating a worthwhile gaming platform, then they can take their exclusivity and free game bullshit and shove it where the sun don't shine. I don't support half assed competition simply because TENCENT has money to burn.
    Except that all the reasons I summed up are literally pulled from threads about Epic over the last few days on these very boards. Even free games are bad because of whatever nonsense.

    Steam is great, they are also full of asset flips trash, a broken tag system and broken dead on arrival EA projects. You have to wade through a sewer to get to the good stuff. I also much prefer the EGS sales and they give away free games, good luck getting that on Steam. The EGS also doesn’t turn into a broken cripple when hosting a sale. Steam has lots of advantages, it isn’t superior on every front though.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • BoltonsquadBoltonsquad Member UncommonPosts: 403
    BruceYee said:


    I think Epic is s piece of shit company. I think Fortnite is a piece of shit game... but this was actually a really creative marketing move that strikes gold. And I kind of hope they win because... Apple.







    Are you okay with companies selling their products on a platform then try to get around paying the fee every seller agrees to by any means necessary?

    BOTH Apple and Epic suck but in this case Epic is trying to be a scammer. If Epic doesn't have to pay the 30% fee then NO other company should have to pay that but as usual Epic is only looking out for themselves and trying to even manipulate THEIR OWN customers into believing something that's false.
    Epic are not losing any money with the 30% fee, they are just charging mobile user's significantly more to cover that fee, so in the end Epic are losing nothing it's the consumer's that have to suffer the higher costs because of Apple's greed.
    Gdemami
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