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Lost Ark - Amazon Games and Smilegate RPG Reach Publishing Agreement, Lost Ark Speculated

SystemSystem Member UncommonPosts: 12,599
edited August 2020 in News & Features Discussion

imageLost Ark - Amazon Games and Smilegate RPG Reach Publishing Agreement, Lost Ark Speculated

On August 19th Amazon announced an exclusive publishing agreement with Smilegate RPG. No details were given about the specific title Smilegate would be developing for Amazon, but recent rumblings have speculated Lost Ark would be the title headed to North America.

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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    amazon huh?
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  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    alkarionlog said:
    amazon huh?

    Maybe they're trying to supplant Daybreak at the bottom of the barrel.



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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,061
    Makes sense. All of Amazon's own games are duds. May as well use someone else's.
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  • Allwynd_01Allwynd_01 Member UncommonPosts: 193

    Raserei said:

    Good move by Amazon. Bring a lot of players to there gaming services and then release New World MMORPG.



    Its a win win for players.



    We get Lost Ark in the west and New World will have more players. Assuming this is there strategy.



    Amazon can actually make a turnaround with this move. Delaying New World and returning Crucible to CBT was a good call on their part. So far I haven't seen anything from the Crucible team that indicates that they understand the reasons that their game went under, but maybe they will... I don't really care as I don't like the game, but if it improves for the players that like it, that's good. As well as the whole situation of Amazon Games becoming better. I hear Amazon is involved in the new Lord of the Rings MMORPG and if they are getting better at this game thing as well as being more aware with what their players like (or dislike for that matter), then only good things can come out of this.
  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556
    edited August 2020
    Amazon should've done this from the start like I suggested years ago.

    Next they can scoop up Pantheon, CU + others then they can actually do something meaningful for the gaming industry rather than try to be a mediocre developer at best.

    Everyone wanting competition for Steam this could be it if Amazon focus soley on publishing games legit style without any gimmicks.

    Amazon platform with Lost Ark, Pantheon, CU + a couple others who wouldn't use that launcher? Keep signing new games being developed by working out sweetheart deals that Amazon has the money to do, throw in Fractured & AoC, have Smed put a completed Hero's Song up there as an exclusive and they'd be on Steam level in no time.
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  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
    This game is at best decent. On RU is also VERY P2W.

    So, if Amazon is having an amazing monetization model in mind, which will not fuck up the balance, I will .. be playing it a bit. Else, I won't even touch it!

    ..and if they go with P2W, well, their name will always be ...dirty!

    "Amazon? That shitty company with P2W games? Neah!..."

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  • TokkenTokken Member EpicPosts: 3,650
    I'm not sure that is good news or bad news?  Amazon has been doing awful making games so far..... publishing may have problems for them as well.

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  • RoinRoin Member RarePosts: 3,444
    edited August 2020

    remsleep said:



    Raserei said:


    Good move by Amazon. Bring a lot of players to there gaming services and then release New World MMORPG.





    Its a win win for players.





    We get Lost Ark in the west and New World will have more players. Assuming this is there strategy.






    Lost Arks longevity is very short - so they won't be able to retain players for long.



    Also Lost Ark and New World cater to different playerbases.



    I think the real desire for Amazon is that their own game studios have been having a great deal of difficulty getting good games launched so they shifted focus to publishing



    Short? Based on what? Season 2 upcoming, bringing more story additions. Multiple new classes have been released. New raids and dungeons have been added. IMHO if I was MS I would be trying to get LA ported to the new Xbox. I mean the game as far isometric games go doesn't work too bad with a controller. Would require some tweaking to make it great, but right now LA is quite playable with controller.

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  • GroqstrongGroqstrong Member RarePosts: 826

    remsleep said:



    Raserei said:


    Good move by Amazon. Bring a lot of players to there gaming services and then release New World MMORPG.





    Its a win win for players.





    We get Lost Ark in the west and New World will have more players. Assuming this is there strategy.






    Lost Arks longevity is very short - so they won't be able to retain players for long.



    Also Lost Ark and New World cater to different playerbases.



    I think the real desire for Amazon is that their own game studios have been having a great deal of difficulty getting good games launched so they shifted focus to publishing



    IMO they cater to the exact same playerbase.
  • cmacqcmacq Member UncommonPosts: 331

    remsleep said:


    Roin said:



    remsleep said:





    Raserei said:



    Good move by Amazon. Bring a lot of players to there gaming services and then release New World MMORPG.







    Its a win win for players.







    We get Lost Ark in the west and New World will have more players. Assuming this is there strategy.









    Lost Arks longevity is very short - so they won't be able to retain players for long.





    Also Lost Ark and New World cater to different playerbases.





    I think the real desire for Amazon is that their own game studios have been having a great deal of difficulty getting good games launched so they shifted focus to publishing






    Short? Based on what? Season 2 upcoming, bringing more story additions. Multiple new classes have been released. New raids and dungeons have been added.





    IMHO if I was MS I would be trying to get LA ported to the new Xbox. I mean the game as far isometric games go doesn't work too bad with a controller. Would require some tweaking to make it great, but right now LA is quite playable with controller.



    Many players quit at end game - so those raids and end game content is only there to retain core players.

    Try for a couple of weeks and move on - that is your average players experience with Lost Ark.



    Sorry to hear that. Been looking forward to this one. Here's hoping they improve the solo experience at endgame if grouping is difficult.
  • moosecatlolmoosecatlol Member RarePosts: 1,531
    I'm just disappointed at the speed at which breaking news arrives on this site. Almost 48hrs stale.

    That being said I know next to nothing about Amazon's stability in terms of game servers. I hope it works out.
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    So they will be ripped off paying Amazon 30% minimum but hoping they will cash in off of Amazon's marketing power.

    IMO they will simply be ripped off by Amazon and end up with a struggling game 2 months from now.


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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556
    edited August 2020
    remsleep said:


    IMO they cater to the exact same playerbase.


    Isometric ARPG - mmo hybrid with a huge end-game gear grind - typical for Korean mmo-arpg hybids

    Lost Ark plays like 2 different games

    1-50 - enjoyable leveling experience, can solo content including dungeons

    50+ is where "the real game starts" - it's all about gear score and grind to get enhance your gear to score 330+ and just doing dailies for resources, and waiting on daily resets

    End game is centered around resets, and dailies, and just a typical ridiculous amount of bullshit korean games make you do - as you need to do to upgrade gear to hit certain gear score levels so you can progress.

    Can't do guardian raids unless you are 300+ gear level for example

    End game has a ton of hard walls you hit (gear wise) - like you can't even purchase gear unless you are score 340, or 360.

    etc..

    Here's a 17 min video going over the basic roadmap of what to do once you hit 50 (aka real game)






    vs.

    3rd person MMORPG - I seriously doubt end game gear grind will be anywhere close to Lost Ark

    If New World is all about daily resets and insane Korean-style gear grind with hard walls that are all gear score based?



    This is the same playerbase to you??


    How?


    You just said earlier in this thread that...

    "Lost Arks longevity is very short - so they won't be able to retain players for long."

    but now you're saying...

    "mmo hybrid with a huge end-game gear grind"

    sooo which one is it? cause it can't be both...

    You also just described LA to be about 5x more complex in terms of progression than New World which means the contrast may cater to a variety play styles.
    Want brain dead simple short burst gameplay then fire up New World. Want to do some complex math and mindlessly grind for hours fire up LA.

    That could be the same playerbase cause they're both new MMO's a genre both you and Kano admitted no longer playing.

    Kinda seems like you're just going after LA now cause...

    1. Kano always disliked Amazon.
    2. Kano never missed an opportunity to trash Korean games being published by anyone other than Trion.



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  • cmacqcmacq Member UncommonPosts: 331
    Disappointing to hear I did have hopes for this one, I played some MU so I'm aware of the P2W in these kinds of games. It won't get my interest with that kind of model.
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
    BruceYee said:
    remsleep said:


    IMO they cater to the exact same playerbase.


    Isometric ARPG - mmo hybrid with a huge end-game gear grind - typical for Korean mmo-arpg hybids

    Lost Ark plays like 2 different games

    1-50 - enjoyable leveling experience, can solo content including dungeons

    50+ is where "the real game starts" - it's all about gear score and grind to get enhance your gear to score 330+ and just doing dailies for resources, and waiting on daily resets

    End game is centered around resets, and dailies, and just a typical ridiculous amount of bullshit korean games make you do - as you need to do to upgrade gear to hit certain gear score levels so you can progress.

    Can't do guardian raids unless you are 300+ gear level for example

    End game has a ton of hard walls you hit (gear wise) - like you can't even purchase gear unless you are score 340, or 360.

    etc..

    Here's a 17 min video going over the basic roadmap of what to do once you hit 50 (aka real game)






    vs.

    3rd person MMORPG - I seriously doubt end game gear grind will be anywhere close to Lost Ark

    If New World is all about daily resets and insane Korean-style gear grind with hard walls that are all gear score based?



    This is the same playerbase to you??


    How?


    You just said earlier in this thread that...

    "Lost Arks longevity is very short - so they won't be able to retain players for long."

    but now you're saying...

    "mmo hybrid with a huge end-game gear grind"

    sooo which one is it? cause it can't be both...

    You also just described LA to be about 5x more complex in terms of progression than New World which means the contrast may cater to a variety play styles.
    Want brain dead simple short burst gameplay then fire up New World. Want to do some complex math and mindlessly grind for hours fire up LA.

    That could be the same playerbase cause they're both new MMO's a genre both you and Kano admitted no longer playing.

    Kinda seems like you're just going after LA now cause...

    1. Kano always disliked Amazon.
    2. Kano never missed an opportunity to trash Korean games being published by anyone other than Trion.



    I am sorry, but I have to agree with Kano here. Erm .. I mean the Sleepy guy! :) 

    There are currently 3 servers in RU as we speak, with maybe 1 high and it doesn't even have 1 year since it released in Russia. That is not good. 

    And let's not talk about how HEAVY P2W is in Russia. 

    So yea, unless Amazon has a "magic stick" to .. make Lost Ark successful in EU/NA, game will fail badly, especially since D4 and PoE 2 are coming in the near future.
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  • StoneRosesStoneRoses Member RarePosts: 1,814
    Take my money and seduce me please!
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  • WenchesnmeadWenchesnmead Member UncommonPosts: 35
    The game is not P2W. Pay to advance sure. But paying makes little difference.

    I have been playing in RU for the past 6 months and my gear score rivals that of many cash players.

    I have spent literally zero dollars and only play 2 hours a day.

    If thats anyones idea of pay to win, then maybe its time to pull your head out your ass for 5 minutes to really see whats what.

    ANd those videos kano posted are really really dated.

    Great videos but really dated.

    Easy hasnt played in years lol

    Lost Ark is the type of game either you will love the endgame or hate it.

    But P2W is somee bullshit haters fantasy land

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  • jazz.bejazz.be Member UncommonPosts: 962
    This is good news
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,014
    If Amazon is involved, I am not interested.
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  • gab4moigab4moi Member UncommonPosts: 16
    edited August 2020
    oops...
  • WarlyxWarlyx Member EpicPosts: 3,368
    The leveling experience is "ok" , generic mmorpg quests

    the best thing is the dungeons the design IS AMAZING , the replayability is "meh"

    other than that i liked exploring the world on my ship , but got boring after a while

    Classes are different and customizable , yest there is a META but still "ok"

    all the classes are fun , what i hope EU get season 2 on release or at least close after.
  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618

    remsleep said:






    IMO they cater to the exact same playerbase.




    Isometric ARPG - mmo hybrid with a huge end-game gear grind - typical for Korean mmo-arpg hybids

    Lost Ark plays like 2 different games

    1-50 - enjoyable leveling experience, can solo content including dungeons

    50+ is where "the real game starts" - it's all about gear score and grind to get enhance your gear to score 330+ and just doing dailies for resources, and waiting on daily resets, daily/weekly dungeon tickets, with a huge dose of RNG 
     

    End game is centered around resets, and dailies, dungeon tickets, daily and RNG resources you need to collect for gear upgrades, and just a typical ridiculous amount of bullshit korean games make you do - as you need to do to upgrade gear to hit certain gear score levels so you can progress.

    Can't do guardian raids unless you are 300+ gear level for example

    End game has a ton of hard walls you hit (gear wise) - like you can't even purchase gear unless you are score 340, or 360.

    etc..

    Here's a 17 min video going over the basic roadmap of what to do once you hit 50 (aka where Lost Ark real game starts)




    If you don't want to watch that video - here's a snippet of end-game tasks/dailies you want to do as a fresh level 50 character









    vs.



    Now look at New World:

    3rd person MMORPG - there are no insane number of dailies to do - you don't need to follow a spreadsheet of "daily resets" where it all feels like work that you are not getting paid for

    End game in New World doesn't have hard "gear score" locks and checks like Lost Ark

    I am telling you again -  you are in for a real eye opener in Lost Ark once you hit level 50 and see the real game for what it is - a TON of them quit - just look at RU server population today


    So no  Lost Ark and New World - this is not the same playerbase at all, one attracts hard-core grinders that are ok with end game being = grindy as fuck with tons of dailies and resets, dungeon tickets  and just a ton of bullshit you need to do


    Your average New World player won't last a week in Lost Ark end game.





    So saying that Lost Ark and New World attract the same playerbase - sorry but that's not even remotely true - maybe for the first 50 levels when Lost Ark still feels like a pretty nice game - but that's a short lived experience.



    Damn everything in Lost Arks endgame is stuff a really truly despise.......like you say I will 1 to 50 and move on methinks

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  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 6,057
    james_koko said:
    > only smilegate can make Lost Ark successful in the west

    wrong

    the only way to make LA successful in the west is:

    - remove the P2W
    - redesign the game so it's not built around a P2W model (chores)
    - have a clear long term strategy with real endgame content (no chores)

    So who can do that besides um Smilegate?
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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,177
    I don't care who is publishing just bring the game already.

  • CoatedCoated Member UncommonPosts: 507
    I'll wait for Diablo 4.
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