Any veterans remember Danceman? That guy cracked me up. Good times.
Chilastra in SWG for much the same reasons. I don't think it's completely possible to separate game from the community in this case as the game seemed designed to foster community.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Crickhollow in LotRO when it first launched. It was such a positive community experience. It was RP positive and friendly, just a positive vibe overall.
Faeblight in Rift was another positive friendly server. Lots of fun event cooperation and dungeon running.
Everfrost in Everquest 2. Same stuff that made the above 2 great - friendly community that liked to cooperate in all kinds of content.
Crickhollow was my LotRO choice, too. Good community. Eventually I left to join a friend on another server, so never really got too far on Crickhollow.
I enjoyed the Rodcet Nife community in EQ1 (where Mendel was). It was merged with other servers twice and the RN name has virtually disappeared. I don't know than many of the names I would recognize are still around, though. Sadly, this was about the time that the PUG became a 'bad' thing.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
I am given to understand that just about every LotRO server was/is better than just about every server of every other game released since lotro, so my love of Snowbourn is not unique. I put this down to the following:
Original game was very group-focused. First group quest at level 3 in the starter zone, so the entire community was "trained" to group up.
Loads of group interdependency, making group content much more enjoyable than solo content. Grouping was really where all the depth could be felt in the mechanics.
Player skill trumped gear (originally anyway). This created a lot of reasons to actually talk to each other and reduced barriers to grouping up. You could complete tough content in shit gear if you were good enough
No set strategies - the combat mechanics had tons of depth, allowing for multiple successful strategies. this meant group composition could be very diverse, thus reducing the barriers to grouping up. no enrage timers!
Loads of roleplaying tools - tons of emotes, music system, wardrobe system etc allowed for a lot of self-expression. This allowed for lots of non-intensive interaction, perfect for increasing social connections.
The IP itself attracted a very diverse audience, generally more mature than other mmos and with a better gender balance.
All of these things resulted in amazing communities. Diverse communities are always stronger than niche communities and the game kept bringing players together, strengthening their bonds.
On Snowbourn specifically, we would have regular "chicken races", sparring competitions, speed-run competitions for specific instances, a great pvp community. There were always bands hanging around the main hubs, like Bree, 21st Hall in Moria etc, playing their music for passers by.
As a guild leader, I was heavily involved in a lot of these things. I'd speak to most of the top guild leaders, organise joint raids, whip up my own guild to join in community events. I loved being part of the "night crew", the nickname given to a bunch of us who would turn up to PvP at around 11pm after we'd finished raiding.
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Special mention to that as well... was a big shock when at the server transfer they've sacked Snowy while it was among the most populated Eu servers...
I played there as my non-RP main server and a bunch of my characters on Evernight still run around with the Snowbourn title.
Spot on with the plural in "All of these things resulted in amazing communities. Diverse communities are always stronger than niche communities", I believe that made Snowy so unique.
With being the unofficial "other language" server (as in not english, german or french), it had a bunch of strong smaller communities and as a melting pot it resulted a very good mix for an overall community.
Argent Dawn on WoW. If I still play WoW today, a big part of the reason is that server. The community is great and I love benig around doing rp with other people.
Bertoxxulous Everquest Server. Despite the nasty fights over the top tier mobs among the top guilds, there were some very good people I made friends with. Those friends made the time I spent there very enjoyable and memorable.
Asura for FFXI where I met a host of fellow Final Fantasy lovers and became the best of friends with. There is no such thing as soloing in FFXI so a good reputation and friends were the key.
Emerald Dream EU server WoW. Again it was the friends and the fantastic guild leader that made the game for me.
Liberty server for City pf Heroes is top of the list. I was in a supergroup (The Legion) that was in an alliance with others (The Sisterhood, and 3 or 4 others) and it seemed most players had a very similar idea of fun. Heroes were easy going, helpful, and heroic
I did enjoy my time on the Silvermoon server in WoW. I met many great folks there
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Mine was UO's Great Lakes Server. Great leadership from special players like: - Kazola, who created the first MMO player tavern and organized players to act as servers. - (can't remember the name) who created the Museum Of Memories. Rare items, one of a kind items, special event items, etc., on loan from the owners and on display. - Spectre, who organized and created the first Mage Tower, a place for all mages for training and sharing of knowledge. - The gangs that created the Fishing Council Of Britannia and the player run Auctions of the most valuable items in the game. Also the RPer community that organized the Yew RP community.
A special mention to Blitz Phoenix, thief extraordinaire, womanizer, owner of many of the one of a kind rares, and one of the best on-the-fly RPers I've ever met. Also Maximilian, a great RPer and community organizer.
Another special mention to Omega, the barefoot mage who took no crap from anyone, was on a sugar high at all times, and I just got a kick out of him and his constant barefoot, barelegged, running around like a kid at Xmas time.
And who could forget og. He was the most feared PKer I've ever known about. He literally cleared out entire Dungeons just by his presence. I was in Dungeon Covetous, had just arrived, and was in one of the first room talking to a friend. Suddenly players started running out of the Dungeon, in droves. Some of them would say "og" as they ran by. The other players in this room took off too. My friend and I kept asking "What's og?", but at first no one stopped long enough to tell us. Then someone did. "He's the meanest PK there is. Run man!" lol
Any veterans remember Danceman? That guy cracked me up. Good times.
Bloodfin server on SWG for similar reasons. That game really went above and beyond to foster a community, that server and that game was the only place where I had friends and enemies. It was a trip.
Firiona Vie EQ1 - THe community was excellent. Many roleplayers. We even had to learn other languages to communicate with various races. They often had language groups where players would learn various tongues.
Firiona Vie EQ1 - THe community was excellent. Many roleplayers. We even had to learn other languages to communicate with various races. They often had language groups where players would learn various tongues.
Learning languages was one of my favorite parts of EQ 1!
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Atlantic in UO. Legendary PK named BabaMonkey had an Indestructable Silver Halbard of Vanquishing (or similar) and would one-shot anyone within reach. You could recall to any bank in Trinsic, Ocllo or Britain and find groups forming posses to go hunt the guy. Community at its finest, although I never saw him killed. Fun days.
Firiona Vie EQ1 - THe community was excellent. Many roleplayers. We even had to learn other languages to communicate with various races. They often had language groups where players would learn various tongues.
OT, but I always wanted ancient languages that, if deciphered, could give clues to great treasures and lost relics. Imagine also a player secret society that used an ancient language to speak and pass notes about things they don't want anyone else to know.
Bertoxxulous Everquest Server. Despite the nasty fights over the top tier mobs among the top guilds, there were some very good people I made friends with. Those friends made the time I spent there very enjoyable and memorable.
Asura for FFXI where I met a host of fellow Final Fantasy lovers and became the best of friends with. There is no such thing as soloing in FFXI so a good reputation and friends were the key.
Emerald Dream EU server WoW. Again it was the friends and the fantastic guild leader that made the game for me.
I too played on Bertoxx. My character was a troll shadowknight named Igjarjuk later changed to Hideo. I created the guild called Omani.
As for the original question;
In Eq I was on bertoxx & switched with a server merge to 7th hammer. Server was almost empty & it sucked so I moved back to bertoxx which prompted my name change.
Daoc I started an Alb on the Merlin server. The albs there absolutely sucked so I tried the Lancelot server on Midgard faction. Everyone I met seemed cool and there was an alliance to defend the frontier. Ended up staying on Lancelot. I played a troll berserker named Igjarjuk & Dwarf Runemaster named Skarwolf.
In SWG I played on Kettemoor. Server choice made no difference to me at the time I played with two friends from EQ. In vanilla I was Skarwolf a rebel bothan creature handler/pistoleer & spent my time grieving imperials.
In WOW I played Horde on the Durotan server. My main was a forsaken rogue named Hellion. I hated the server primarily because the horde didn’t care about defending anything while alliance ran over every horde outpost. Part of the problem was population disparity the alliance made up over 80% of the server.
I ended up paying to switch servers to Hyjal where Horde outnumbered Alliance. It was awesome returning the favor for awhile.
After that servers haven’t mattered much. In Guildwars 2 vanilla you could switch where you wanted for free. So everyone switched to who was winning in WvW. Also played ESO again no servers ?♂️
Bertoxxulous Everquest Server. Despite the nasty fights over the top tier mobs among the top guilds, there were some very good people I made friends with. Those friends made the time I spent there very enjoyable and memorable.
Asura for FFXI where I met a host of fellow Final Fantasy lovers and became the best of friends with. There is no such thing as soloing in FFXI so a good reputation and friends were the key.
Emerald Dream EU server WoW. Again it was the friends and the fantastic guild leader that made the game for me.
I too played on Bertoxx. My character was a troll shadowknight named Igjarjuk later changed to Hideo. I created the guild called Omani.
As for the original question;
In Eq I was on bertoxx & switched with a server merge to 7th hammer. Server was almost empty & it sucked so I moved back to bertoxx which prompted my name change.
Daoc I started an Alb on the Merlin server. The albs there absolutely sucked so I tried the Lancelot server on Midgard faction. Everyone I met seemed cool and there was an alliance to defend the frontier. Ended up staying on Lancelot. I played a troll berserker named Igjarjuk & Dwarf Runemaster named Skarwolf.
In SWG I played on Kettemoor. Server choice made no difference to me at the time I played with two friends from EQ. In vanilla I was Skarwolf a rebel bothan creature handler/pistoleer & spent my time grieving imperials.
In WOW I played Horde on the Durotan server. My main was a forsaken rogue named Hellion. I hated the server primarily because the horde didn’t care about defending anything while alliance ran over every horde outpost. Part of the problem was population disparity the alliance made up over 80% of the server.
I ended up paying to switch servers to Hyjal where Horde outnumbered Alliance. It was awesome returning the favor for awhile.
After that servers haven’t mattered much. In Guildwars 2 vanilla you could switch where you wanted for free. So everyone switched to who was winning in WvW. Also played ESO again no servers ?♂️
The whole guild left for 7th Hammer too. You recall the guild lead by that childish Wizard Fury I think he was called. We would quarrel over Nagafen and Vox with that other guild, I cannot for the life of me recall that guild's name now (leader was a Necromancer) something like Dark Brotherhood may be.... I was in one of those guilds. My god the fights with each side using ogres to block the dungeon entrance so we could not all get to Nagafen. At least they had a calendar for the planes. VN Vault boards were where the insults and ranting went on. I was Syakila.
Even with all that fighting and unpleasantness they were so many great and memorable people who made the whole experience so unforgettable and one I long to repeat so many years later.
Bertoxxulous Everquest Server. Despite the nasty fights over the top tier mobs among the top guilds, there were some very good people I made friends with. Those friends made the time I spent there very enjoyable and memorable.
Asura for FFXI where I met a host of fellow Final Fantasy lovers and became the best of friends with. There is no such thing as soloing in FFXI so a good reputation and friends were the key.
Emerald Dream EU server WoW. Again it was the friends and the fantastic guild leader that made the game for me.
I too played on Bertoxx. My character was a troll shadowknight named Igjarjuk later changed to Hideo. I created the guild called Omani.
As for the original question;
In Eq I was on bertoxx & switched with a server merge to 7th hammer. Server was almost empty & it sucked so I moved back to bertoxx which prompted my name change.
Daoc I started an Alb on the Merlin server. The albs there absolutely sucked so I tried the Lancelot server on Midgard faction. Everyone I met seemed cool and there was an alliance to defend the frontier. Ended up staying on Lancelot. I played a troll berserker named Igjarjuk & Dwarf Runemaster named Skarwolf.
In SWG I played on Kettemoor. Server choice made no difference to me at the time I played with two friends from EQ. In vanilla I was Skarwolf a rebel bothan creature handler/pistoleer & spent my time grieving imperials.
In WOW I played Horde on the Durotan server. My main was a forsaken rogue named Hellion. I hated the server primarily because the horde didn’t care about defending anything while alliance ran over every horde outpost. Part of the problem was population disparity the alliance made up over 80% of the server.
I ended up paying to switch servers to Hyjal where Horde outnumbered Alliance. It was awesome returning the favor for awhile.
After that servers haven’t mattered much. In Guildwars 2 vanilla you could switch where you wanted for free. So everyone switched to who was winning in WvW. Also played ESO again no servers ?♂️
The whole guild left for 7th Hammer too. You recall the guild lead by that childish Wizard Fury I think he was called. We would quarrel over Nagafen and Vox with that other guild, I cannot for the life of me recall that guild's name now (leader was a Necromancer) something like Dark Brotherhood may be.... I was in one of those guilds. My god the fights with each side using ogres to block the dungeon entrance so we could not all get to Nagafen. At least they had a calendar for the planes. VN Vault boards were where the insults and ranting went on. I was Syakila.
Even with all that fighting and unpleasantness they were so many great and memorable people who made the whole experience so unforgettable and one I long to repeat so many years later.
Was it Darkwurm ? He was leader of Unholy Order originally & he asked me to lead that so he and other 50th levels could go join a new 50s only guild called Ascension. They used to quarrel with Arcane Dominion on the forums all the time.
Later Darkwurm and I think Ueuelyan made the guild Clan Tavaren and the entire guild moved. I had a friend in that guild named Draxt he was a human monk.
Fury lead Arcane Dominion who originally competed with Acension, then Prophecy & Pontificate Lusus. I think AD folded not sure though. Pontificate Lusus split up and some moved with a server merge. Prophecy went on the be one of the only remaining uber guilds for awhile.
OMG I think so thanks for remembering. I was in Arcane Dominion. They wanted to kill Nagafen as server first. Yes AD folded infighting and unbelievable drama.
Darkwurm was the Necromancer right? He was a decent guy who I felt was dragged down by Fury to his level. I was ashamed by the things my guild did. But I often tried to help those poor guilds they trampled on. I'd port folk to Hate and help corpse recovery with that cleric from Ascension her name was Bahia I think.
Darkwurm invited me to Fear runs even though I was from AD. Fury would get angry but may be because I was one of the few real life females in the guild he didn't kick me out.
My memory isn't any good since I am pushing 65. You have a fantastic memory I might add.
Thank you so much for remembering the names. I'm going to write it down.
OMG I think so thanks for remembering. I was in Arcane Dominion. They wanted to kill Nagafen as server first. Yes AD folded infighting and unbelievable drama.
Darkwurm was the Necromancer right? He was a decent guy who I felt was dragged down by Fury to his level. I was ashamed by the things my guild did. But I often tried to help those poor guilds they trampled on. I'd port folk to Hate and help corpse recovery with that cleric from Ascension her name was Bahia I think.
Darkwurm invited me to Fear runs even though I was from AD. Fury would get angry but may be because I was one of the few real life females in the guild he didn't kick me out.
My memory isn't any good since I am pushing 65. You have a fantastic memory I might add.
Thank you so much for remembering the names. I'm going to write it down.
Darkwurm from my impression while apparently nice was abit of a hound dog with any female & pretty full of himself. I had a falling out with him primarily after I found out he and most of the 50s in Unholy Order planned on quitting to create Ascension. That guild lasted a few months before folding. He pretty much called me for a meeting and asked me to takeover while they all left lol. I told him to stick it up his arse.
Around that time I was still levelling up. Took so long to level in that game lol. I’ll say this never met a community so tightly knit together in any game.
OMG I think so thanks for remembering. I was in Arcane Dominion. They wanted to kill Nagafen as server first. Yes AD folded infighting and unbelievable drama.
Darkwurm was the Necromancer right? He was a decent guy who I felt was dragged down by Fury to his level. I was ashamed by the things my guild did. But I often tried to help those poor guilds they trampled on. I'd port folk to Hate and help corpse recovery with that cleric from Ascension her name was Bahia I think.
Darkwurm invited me to Fear runs even though I was from AD. Fury would get angry but may be because I was one of the few real life females in the guild he didn't kick me out.
My memory isn't any good since I am pushing 65. You have a fantastic memory I might add.
Thank you so much for remembering the names. I'm going to write it down.
Darkwurm from my impression while apparently nice was abit of a hound dog with any female & pretty full of himself. I had a falling out with him primarily after I found out he and most of the 50s in Unholy Order planned on quitting to create Ascension. That guild lasted a fee months before folding.
Around that time I was still levelling up. Took so long to level in that game lol. I’ll say this never met a community so tightly knit together in any game.
That he was in fact my invitation probably came because he found out I was a real woman playing the game. Pretty old one at that considering a lot of the players were in their teens including Fury, my god he was so childish. Darkwurm was very nice to me though and allowed me to roll on the Wizard drops in Fear even though I was from Fury's guild although I never won anything.
They left the server Darkwurm and his guild and I used to regularly play with Tsintse (Shadowknight) who was from Darkwurm's guild.
Aside from Fury there were many good people in the guild like Marakeen the Magician and Vampiro the Paladin. Vampiro was an extremely nice guy. I kept in touch with Vampiro and Tsintse many, many years till now in fact although they both no longer play MMORPGs.
You're right about how tight knit the community was in that server and Everquest. I believe it was because how hard everything was without good people to play with.
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Oh and Crom! By Crom, how can I forget King Schtunk, is he still trolling?
Chilastra in SWG for much the same reasons. I don't think it's completely possible to separate game from the community in this case as the game seemed designed to foster community.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Asura for FFXI where I met a host of fellow Final Fantasy lovers and became the best of friends with. There is no such thing as soloing in FFXI so a good reputation and friends were the key.
Emerald Dream EU server WoW. Again it was the friends and the fantastic guild leader that made the game for me.
I did enjoy my time on the Silvermoon server in WoW. I met many great folks there
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
- Kazola, who created the first MMO player tavern and organized players to act as servers.
- (can't remember the name) who created the Museum Of Memories. Rare items, one of a kind items, special event items, etc., on loan from the owners and on display.
- Spectre, who organized and created the first Mage Tower, a place for all mages for training and sharing of knowledge.
- The gangs that created the Fishing Council Of Britannia and the player run Auctions of the most valuable items in the game. Also the RPer community that organized the Yew RP community.
A special mention to Blitz Phoenix, thief extraordinaire, womanizer, owner of many of the one of a kind rares, and one of the best on-the-fly RPers I've ever met.
Also Maximilian, a great RPer and community organizer.
Another special mention to Omega, the barefoot mage who took no crap from anyone, was on a sugar high at all times, and I just got a kick out of him and his constant barefoot, barelegged, running around like a kid at Xmas time.
And who could forget og. He was the most feared PKer I've ever known about. He literally cleared out entire Dungeons just by his presence.
I was in Dungeon Covetous, had just arrived, and was in one of the first room talking to a friend. Suddenly players started running out of the Dungeon, in droves.
Some of them would say "og" as they ran by. The other players in this room took off too.
My friend and I kept asking "What's og?", but at first no one stopped long enough to tell us. Then someone did.
"He's the meanest PK there is. Run man!"
lol
Ahh, people do make the game. No doubt.
Once upon a time....
Learning languages was one of my favorite parts of EQ 1!
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Usually servers with RP in brackets at the end of it have the most mature people in it.
This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
Imagine also a player secret society that used an ancient language to speak and pass notes about things they don't want anyone else to know.
Once upon a time....
In Eq I was on bertoxx & switched with a server merge to 7th hammer. Server was almost empty & it sucked so I moved back to bertoxx which prompted my name change.
Even with all that fighting and unpleasantness they were so many great and memorable people who made the whole experience so unforgettable and one I long to repeat so many years later.
Darkwurm was the Necromancer right? He was a decent guy who I felt was dragged down by Fury to his level. I was ashamed by the things my guild did. But I often tried to help those poor guilds they trampled on. I'd port folk to Hate and help corpse recovery with that cleric from Ascension her name was Bahia I think.
Darkwurm invited me to Fear runs even though I was from AD. Fury would get angry but may be because I was one of the few real life females in the guild he didn't kick me out.
My memory isn't any good since I am pushing 65. You have a fantastic memory I might add.
Thank you so much for remembering the names. I'm going to write it down.
They left the server Darkwurm and his guild and I used to regularly play with Tsintse (Shadowknight) who was from Darkwurm's guild.
Aside from Fury there were many good people in the guild like Marakeen the Magician and Vampiro the Paladin. Vampiro was an extremely nice guy. I kept in touch with Vampiro and Tsintse many, many years till now in fact although they both no longer play MMORPGs.
You're right about how tight knit the community was in that server and Everquest. I believe it was because how hard everything was without good people to play with.