CD Projekt RED Developers Question Leadership Over Cyberpunk 2077's Disastrous Launch, Povides Updat

System · December 2020

CD Projekt RED Developers Question Leadership Over Cyberpunk 2077's Disastrous Launch, Povides Update on Refunds | MMORPG.com

The hits keep coming. In a recent report from Bloomberg, Cyberpunk 2077 developers at CD Projekt RED have posed fairly candid questions to leadership over the launch state of the game.

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JeroKane · December 2020

I feel really sorry for these employees! It was obviously an epic failure at top management.

I hope the shareholders have enough power to fire the current leadership. They clearly need to step down if people want to regain trust in CDPR in the future.

This would happen in any other stock exchange listed company, when top management screws up like this.

IceAge · December 2020

JeroKane said:

I feel really sorry for these employees! It was obviously an epic failure at top management.

I hope the shareholders have enough power to fire the current leadership. They clearly need to step down if people want to regain trust in CDPR in the future.

This happens in any other stock exchange listed company.

No thanks! Keep the "stock exchange" exemple to where it belongs.

People do make mistakes, and this is theirs which have already took the blame on them. They have the right to regain trust. Literally they are the same guys who brought to life the amazing The Witcher Series and it seems people already forgot that.

I will give an exemple here : No Man's Sky. They managed to "come back", even tho' is NOT the same as with Cyberpunk 2077. It already have solid reviews from users and critics alike.

In 6 months, yes! If things are still wrong, then you MIGHT have a point here. Until then, let them do their jobs.

Wizardry · December 2020

Crunch?This means there was a definitive time period to get the game launched which of course means it was 100% rushed for the holidays.

I question the January statement...a typo?

If it was playable in January then 11 months ago why were review copies released so late?I mean nobody is a dummy th ONLY purpose of the review copies to streamers and websites is to get favorable promotion out of it.I do however feel we should see a change of course and see very early copies sent out as TESTERS so they get proper feedback long before release.

However even an early release for testing purposes will not work if the team was really NOT READY and just pushing it out last minute in a rush.

THEY question leadership,idk wtf that evens means,i question the TOP execs who should be right on top of the product they are making millions of dollars from.It sort of sounds liek a Square Enix move with FFXIV,blame somebody because it looks good in the press but don't blame ownership.

I feel the hype was blown out of proportion but i also feel the complaints are maybe the same except when comes to consoles,it kind of baffles me why they didn't release the game at different times.I guess i already answered that,they knew full well and were simply cashing in on the holiday sales and figured the game was receiving so much RIDICULOUS hype that it didn't matter what state of the game they released.

Gdemami · December 2020

...you know what they say about yellow stuff - don't eat it.

Aeander · December 2020

Gdemami said:

...you know what they say about yellow stuff - don't eat it.

Corn and butter would like a word with you.

But you know what they say about Gdemami - don't unban him.

WhiteLantern · December 2020

JeroKane said:

I feel really sorry for these employees! It was obviously an epic failure at top management.

I hope the shareholders have enough power to fire the current leadership. They clearly need to step down if people want to regain trust in CDPR in the future.

This would happen in any other stock exchange listed company, when top management screws up like this.

I really can't find myself feeling sorry for the devs. They knew the state of the game and are just now "piling on".
Sure, everything points to mis-management, but don't wait until after to speak.

Sovrath · December 2020

JeroKane said:

I feel really sorry for these employees! It was obviously an epic failure at top management.

I hope the shareholders have enough power to fire the current leadership. They clearly need to step down if people want to regain trust in CDPR in the future.

This would happen in any other stock exchange listed company, when top management screws up like this.

I personally try not to be a vindictive person. I try.

I'm all for giving people a 2nd chance within reason. Meaning, I like to see different behavior, steps taken to fix things, to not have things happen the same way before.

Also, having been on the backend of creative projects, we don't always know the whole story.

Oh sure, it could just be absolute incompetence but it could be other things as well.

Part of it could be the pressure of believing in their own marketing and having upper level people say that it's all going to be good because they truly believe "it's all going to be good."

Sometimes there is a schism between management and the people they manage. Or maybe they were in financial trouble and no matter what they had to bring in some money or die.

So they take a gamble.

I'w worked for people like this. They know things aren't perfect but they feel that the risk is worth taking.

In any case, I hope no one loses their jobs but they take steps to "make it right."

Asheram · December 2020

WhiteLantern said:

JeroKane said:

I feel really sorry for these employees! It was obviously an epic failure at top management.

I hope the shareholders have enough power to fire the current leadership. They clearly need to step down if people want to regain trust in CDPR in the future.

This would happen in any other stock exchange listed company, when top management screws up like this.

I really can't find myself feeling sorry for the devs. They knew the state of the game and are just now "piling on".
Sure, everything points to mis-management, but don't wait until after to speak.

That all depends though, there wasn't the flak on the company before hand that is there now. Would management have listened to them or just brushed them off? Was there maybe a fear of being fired for doing so. The issue wasn't a dumpster fire yet .

Scorchien · December 2020

Nothing to see here .. Everything is Fine ..

Mendel · December 2020

If the stock holders think the management screwed this up badly enough, they have the right to change the company's management. Employees don't have this right or power.

Employees always complain that they need longer, or that a product isn't finished; there's always something that someone wants to add that little extra touch. The management, did set those deadlines and release dates. As far as I can tell, the developers did try to do their best to meet those deadlines. The decision was made to release the game for the Christmas rush. It backfired.

The management seems to be scrambling to correct the flaw, even willing to refund the game through December 21st to help compensate for some less-than-cooperative sales partners. If you own this game, and aren't happy, get your refund. Even play through Sunday night if you want, and refund on Monday.

CDPR screwed up. They recognize that. Let them try to fix it. The dismissals will occur later, if the right parties are upset enough about it. That's one thing you can count on from the corporate culture: someone will be blamed.

Finvega · December 2020

When you misslead (lie) to everyone about key aspects of your game, release it with too many bugs and game killing issues, you don't get to "fix" it. You did it INTENTIONALY. It wasn't a mistake, it wasn't an accident. It was on purpose.

Now, you can try to make it all good after the fact, but it doesn't change what you did.

Ayin · December 2020

I still look forward to playing this game when the kinks have been worked out on consoles, so I haven't had a chance to play it in its current state (not that I need to.)

Overall, the problem I see is a company trying to rush a product to market before it's ready... a common problem, enforcing crunch on its employees. The real stinger here, that makes it different, or more of an issue, is that CDPR have been a "when it's ready" type of company, at least in reputation and company line that I'm aware of, as someone who isn't following gaming news on a regular basis.

So, when a company that has a reputation of making good/great games (I never played Witcher3, but it's a friend's favorite game), and releasing "when it's ready" delays several times, to live up to the "when it's ready" stipulation... you kinda expect that when they finally do release, it's not going to be because of a holiday rush... they could sell this game ANY time of year at the same numbers as a holiday season, IMO, were it "ready" when published... and not in the state the console version is in.

In this case, they could have had their cake and eaten it too... releasing for PC during the holiday season (it seems to be fine on PC), and waited for a "when it's ready" console release later, backed up by the hype from the PC crowd's reviews.

SeaAndSand · December 2020

Ayin said:

Overall, the problem I see is a company trying to rush a product to market before it's ready... a common problem, enforcing crunch on its employees. The real stinger here, that makes it different, or more of an issue, is that CDPR have been a "when it's ready" type of company, at least in reputation and company line that I'm aware of, as someone who isn't following gaming news on a regular basis.

At the same time, they're a huge developer and publicly traded company with shareholders and they haven't released a major title in over five years. It's understandable to see where the pressure would be coming from.

I don't quite understand people leaping to defend CDPR here (other that calling it fanboyism) as it's more than just a "Whoops, we could've tried harder. We'll do better now." The fact they didn't send out console review copies and also didn't let reviewers play their own game footage, instead requiring them to use footage CDPR provided, shows they knew there was issues, especially with the console releases. Then add on that they told console players to go to Sony and Microsoft for refunds clearly without consulting those companies, and now you have a dumpster fire and arguably the biggest release of the year pulled from Sony's store during the holidays.

I bought it on PC expecting a great looking game with some decent gameplay and cool story. It's pretty much that to me, and the user ratings in the 70's seem right to me. That said I've shelved it for now and look forward to coming back in 6-12 months when they've polished it up.

Weird to blame the devs and not management on this one though. I'm sure most people have had jobs where they thought management was taking the piss but soldiered on because it's either not worth the fight or they know it'll go nowhere, and having a steady paycheque is better than not.

AngryElf · December 2020

IceAge said:

JeroKane said:

I feel really sorry for these employees! It was obviously an epic failure at top management.

I hope the shareholders have enough power to fire the current leadership. They clearly need to step down if people want to regain trust in CDPR in the future.

This happens in any other stock exchange listed company.

No thanks! Keep the "stock exchange" exemple to where it belongs.

People do make mistakes, and this is theirs which have already took the blame on them. They have the right to regain trust. Literally they are the same guys who brought to life the amazing The Witcher Series and it seems people already forgot that.

I will give an exemple here : No Man's Sky. They managed to "come back", even tho' is NOT the same as with Cyberpunk 2077. It already have solid reviews from users and critics alike.

In 6 months, yes! If things are still wrong, then you MIGHT have a point here. Until then, let them do their jobs.

"You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords."

They clearly rushed it with the intent to fix it later in order to gain revenue before fiscal year end. Crocodile tears of regret don't wash away the mistake.
Upper management need to step down after this, collect their severance, and move on to making Everquest IV.

rojoArcueid · December 2020

The fact that Bobbi Kotick and Andrew Wilson are still the CEOs of Activision and EA tells me CDPR management certainly deserves a change to right their wrongs.

Mistakes like this may be unacceptable, but here you have a company that's always been pro-consumer. They made one big mistake and seem to be owing up to it, yet we have scum like the two people i mentioned above still bathing in gold and glory.

McSleaz · December 2020

I'm glad I pirated this game, It's not worth even half of what they are charging. GTA games release with 100x the amount of content than this game has. Visuals are great and the main story is cool but that's it.

TwistedSister77 · December 2020

McSleaz said:

I'm glad I pirated this game, It's not worth even half of what they are charging. GTA games release with 100x the amount of content than this game has. Visuals are great and the main story is cool but that's it.

You get a WTF from me for pirating. Either pay or don't play.

Rest of the comments are fine.

Eldrach · December 2020

Bla bla, game is good, but it’s too shallow system wise and too full of bugs.

CDPR will pour millions into fixing this, they have to..and everyone will benefit from it

Aeander · December 2020

McSleaz said:

I'm glad I pirated this game, It's not worth even half of what they are charging. GTA games release with 100x the amount of content than this game has. Visuals are great and the main story is cool but that's it.

Username checks out.

Kratier · December 2020

stop trying to blame only management for this game,

JeroKane · December 2020

IceAge said:

JeroKane said:

I feel really sorry for these employees! It was obviously an epic failure at top management.

I hope the shareholders have enough power to fire the current leadership. They clearly need to step down if people want to regain trust in CDPR in the future.

This happens in any other stock exchange listed company.

No thanks! Keep the "stock exchange" exemple to where it belongs.

People do make mistakes, and this is theirs which have already took the blame on them. They have the right to regain trust. Literally they are the same guys who brought to life the amazing The Witcher Series and it seems people already forgot that.

I will give an exemple here : No Man's Sky. They managed to "come back", even tho' is NOT the same as with Cyberpunk 2077. It already have solid reviews from users and critics alike.

In 6 months, yes! If things are still wrong, then you MIGHT have a point here. Until then, let them do their jobs.

LOL! This management doesn’t deserve a second chance!
They 100% knew the state of the game! Why you think they imposed an embargo on game footage and forced media to use CDPR footage until launch day?

This was pre-planned deception by management driven by greed to get those extra holiday sales!

Kyleran · December 2020

Mars_OMG said:

Sony's PS4 The Facts :
8core 1.6ghz
Shader L2 Cahe 2 x 2mb
GPU Cores 1152
embedded Memory 0
Embedded Memory Bandwidth 0
System Memory 8Gig 5500mhzGDDR5
System Memory Bus 256 bits
System memory bandwidth 176. gb/s

Xboxe One The Facts :
8core 1.6ghz
Shader L2 Cahe 2 x 2mb
GPU Cores 768
embedded Memory 32mb sRAM
Embedded Memory Bandwidth 102Gb/s
System Memory 8Gig 2333mhz GDDR3
System Memory Bus 256 bits
System memory bandwidth 68.3 gb/s

Question : can these machines run Cyberpunk 2077

Answer : no

Question : Will Cyberpunk work for backwards compatibility when people buy xbox X/S or PS5

Answer : yes

Why did Sony completely removed the game from it's service if they are confident of PS5 preorders

Answer : ?

IMHO that for some reason, how Sony is implementing their consoles specs isn't optimized for modern game development. AMD technology is solid, but why only Sony making the biggest stink ?

So the conclusion is the PS4 cannot and will never be able to effectively run Cyberpunk 2077?

I noticed their offer to refund out of their own pocket ends on Dec 21st, well before Christmas day when son will be receiving the physical copy my wife bought for him from GameStop.

Should we contact GameStop and try to return it unopened before then do you think?

Scot · December 2020

I am thinking back to the way a song and dance was made about Anthem by EA's CEO in the spring (?) quarter and how that would turn around a less than stellar financial performance that year. It was going to release then for business reasons no matter what, here we seem the same process, their business model being more important than the game. Which is good business sense (hugely over running your budget say can be disastrous), unless you take it too far which is what happened with Anthem, FO76, CP 2076 and I guarantee we will be adding another to that list next year, it is now an endemic bad practise.

Kyleran · December 2020

remsleep said:

Scot said:

I am thinking back to the way a song and dance was made about Anthem by EA's CEO in the spring (?) quarter and how that would turn around a less than stellar financial performance that year. It was going to release then for business reasons no matter what, here we seem the same process, their business model being more important than the game. Which is good business sense (hugely over running your budget say can be disastrous), unless you take it too far which is what happened with Anthem, FO76, CP 2076 and I guarantee we will be adding another to that list next year, it is now an endemic bad practise.

They should renamed the game to Cyberpunk 2076... because the game was launched a year too early

Pretty clever, I see what you did there.

IceAge · December 2020

AngryElf said:

IceAge said:

JeroKane said:

I feel really sorry for these employees! It was obviously an epic failure at top management.

I hope the shareholders have enough power to fire the current leadership. They clearly need to step down if people want to regain trust in CDPR in the future.

This happens in any other stock exchange listed company.

No thanks! Keep the "stock exchange" exemple to where it belongs.

People do make mistakes, and this is theirs which have already took the blame on them. They have the right to regain trust. Literally they are the same guys who brought to life the amazing The Witcher Series and it seems people already forgot that.

I will give an exemple here : No Man's Sky. They managed to "come back", even tho' is NOT the same as with Cyberpunk 2077. It already have solid reviews from users and critics alike.

In 6 months, yes! If things are still wrong, then you MIGHT have a point here. Until then, let them do their jobs.

"You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords."

Serenity. Well done!

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