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Proof: Game Review Sites Spit Out the Fluff for Advert $$$
Dis_Ordur
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The other thread got a little heated, so lets try and start this over again.
Several reviews from E3 showed Vanguard in a very harsh light... Boring graphics, EQ2 clone and etc... None of these reviews mention the extensive crafting systems in place, but presentation wise, apparently VSoH is very lacking...
I made an argument that webistes like IGN, Gamespot and some of the others fluff up their previews to help raise the hype and advertising dollars... If anyone takes issue with this, see some examples below:
SoR Hype, Unfinished Launch Ensues
And the list goes on... I will even admit, I was stoked about the IGN article, in fact I made a thread declaring so... However, I am flat out astounded that VSoH apparently did so poorly with it's presentation at E3... The problems are very serious, as the first impression and first "ten minutes" of any MMO determines the likelihood of a long-time player... This, ontop of MSGS dumping VSoH, means that all of these sites hyping up this game are only doing just that, hyping it without any real substance...
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Show me a
TRUE vanguard preview that is negative.
Every negative review that I’ve read is just a couple of paragraphs without any
depth.
It's obvious that IGN will give positive reviews to most games, you have a
point there but the lack of true reviews with negative comments makes your
point invalid.
Show me a TRUE vanguard preview that is negative.
Every negative review that I’ve read is just a couple of paragraphs without any depth.
It's obvious that IGN will give positive reviews to most games, you have a point there but the lack of true reviews with negative comments makes your point invalid.
Well, personally I take what an E3 attendee says more to heart than some long-winded preview from a gaming website... I think you are over-emphasizing the importance of a full-blown review... First impressions mean everything, MxO sucked at the loading bar, and it appears VSoH leaves something to be desired from the get go as well...
You mean to tell me that you would take a website's (who rely on advert dollars from game companies) over a non-biased E3 attendee? If so, I think you need to reprioritize your sources for information...
But, that is not even close to what we are hearing from them. They are saying more along the lines of "It's coming along, but we've got a few things to iron out yet in Beta. We will ship when it's ready." Well, great that's exactly what Beta should be used for.
I think you are reading too much into what comes out of E3 (either good or bad). There are plenty of "respected" sites that thought Vanguard was very good. There are some that thought is was o.k., and a few that didn't like it. Considering the type of gamer Vanguard is going for, I'd expect that to be the case.
If all we heard was everyone gushing about the game and how great they thought it was and couldn't wait to play it - I'd be a little concerned. Mainly because from what we know about the game, there is no way that EVERYONE will love the game. It's just not going to happen. The Devs are fine with that, so I don't see why us as gamers can't be fine with that too.
Well, personally I take what an E3 attendee says more to heart than some long-winded preview from a gaming website... I think you are over-emphasizing the importance of a full-blown review... First impressions mean everything, MxO sucked at the loading bar, and it appears VSoH leaves something to be desired from the get go as well...
You mean to tell me that you would take a website's (who rely on advert dollars from game companies) over a non-biased E3 attendee? If so, I think you need to reprioritize your sources for information...
And we know that they are a "non-biased E3 attendee" how? Hmm... o.k.
Everyone has a bias. With some it's a lot more obvious than others, but to try and say that ALL the negative reviews are un-biased and that ALL the positive reviews are biased is going a bit beyond sound judgement.
I'd say there are some on both sides that are accurate depictions of what they saw. So, that fits pretty well with what we know of the state of the game and the gamer that Vanguard is marketing towards. It's not a finished product, some of the reviews reflect that. It's not a game that everyone will like, some of the reviews reflect that. What's wrong with that? Even the Devs are fine with that.
I've only seen a couple of negative previews, one being from a not very known gaming site and another from a webcomic artist dissapointed because the game was not as polished as he hoped...
I have to agree, the game was not polished enough, maybe because they used the beta build to show the game instead of using a special E3 build.
Anyway i dont care about the current previews, the game still under development, and from what we know there are at least 6 months more before release.
I'm glad that all the positive reviews for AoC are completely un-biased and all those same game review sites didn't let the advert $$$ influence their review in any way.
But seriously, hurray for Age of Conan! I'll probably check that game out too when it comes out. I'm happy that FunCom is making great progress and that MS is giving them the help they need to get their product out the door. It never hurts to have more great products to chose from.
Not really sure how any of that makes Vanguard anything different than what the Devs have ever said it was though. I think the E3 presentation of Vanguard was an accurate reflection of where they are in development. If that scares some players away, well so be it. It is what it is.
I kind of don't see the point either.
The games not finished as far as I know so whats with the "reviews"??? Did I miss the release???
And your links are to other games that didn't do so well. So what? Are you expecting a company to say "our games not so good and unfinished, please buy it!"
Wait until its released before you pass judgement.
Never ever pre-order. You're setting yourself up if you do. I pre-ordered 1 time....D&DO and boy was I burned.
EDIT
In fact no game on this planet could be as god awful as D&DO. There is no way on Gods green earth Vanguard could be worse. Its just not possible. The statisical odds are against it. 100 blind monkeys in a room full of computers could probably make a better game the D&DO.
I hate having to be so obvious, but the point is clearly labeled in the thread topic... Here is the cliff notes for the short bus:
Gamesites pump up reviews for games that pay for their advertising...
When said game comes out, many of these sites specifically go back and give these games bad reviews...
So their previews are completely worthless...
When a few E3 attendees are unimpressed by VSoH, this further validates the trash previews that I mentioned above...
Is this concept really that hard for you people to understand?
SoG Sucked Major Swamp Water.
V:SoH == SoG
Therefore - V:SoH Sucks Major Swamp Water.
And as a final Suckage : SOE.
Nuff Said.
I think that the only way to properly review a game is when
it is released. Previews are often worthless because a lot of the game
sites have the same amount of information that is on the game's own
website.
But yes, never judge a game by its preview, and I generally don't trust most
game reviews as well except from a few sources that rarely fail me. To
bad that most of these sources are in the console gamming market and not for
the PC. I would hate to hijack this thread, but can anyone suggest to me
a few game review sites or magazines that they trust in the PC gamming market?
Ok, well like I said, what do you expect them to do? They are getting the bread buttered by the company.....
previews always make a game sound good.
The ad campain wouldn't be very good for a new release if they annouced the game was incomplete and in need of a revamp....who would buy it? All MMO's are basically in this shape when they release however lol.
Just wait until this game releases and see what happens then.
No one can really say right now.........its in beta. Its not finished. The beta players are testing it, not getting free game time. They don't even know everything thats suppost to be in yet. Thats why they are testers. The devs throw them something new and the testers try to break it. Its amazing some of these beta guys get upset when they don't see a complete game.
Its funny, a month ago this game was mankinds last best hope and it was going to be so good and now all the doom and gloom simply because SOE is going to PUBLISH (not make) the game. Nothing has changed but the publisher. Don't believe me? Look at the post history. You guys where all fired up over this game.
I've also noticed this board has picked up many of the usual SOE haters that plague other SOE boards since the SOE announcement. They have come to fuel everyones doubts about what is going to happen. They don't care about the game and never did, they just want to spred their hate of SOE.
Ok, well like I said, what do you expect them to do? They are getting the bread buttered by the company.....
previews always make a game sound good.
The ad campain wouldn't be very good for a new release if they annouced the game was incomplete and in need of a revamp....who would buy it? All MMO's are basically in this shape when they release however lol.
Just wait until this game releases and see what happens then.
No one can really say right now.........its in beta. Its not finished. The beta players are testing it, not getting free game time. They don't even know everything thats suppost to be in yet.
Its funny, a month ago this game was mankinds last best hope and it was going to be so good and now all the doom and gloom simply because SOE is going to PUBLISH (not make) the game. Nothing has changed but the publisher. Don't believe me? Look at the post history. You guys where all fired up over this game.
I've also noticed this board has picked up many of the usual SOE haters that plague other SOE boards since the SOE announcement. They have come to fuel everyones doubts about what is going to happen. They don't care about the game and never did, they just want to spred their hate of SOE.
Precisely.
dude drop it .. doesnt matter if your right ....
i was just banned on my other name for talking about this stuff ...
just talk about happy fluffy things liek rabbits and clouds .. and beautiful walks on the beach
Don't make me tell you about the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy too.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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I myself have subscribed to CG magazine just to get into VG beta. When I get enough experience playing VG (assuming I get into beta of course) and NDA is lifted, then I will post my opinion of this game here. Cant wait to play this game!
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
SoE bribe any reviewer that accept bribes.
Seeing half good and half bad review is hardly in favor of any company published by SoE...especially that the bribeable reviewers are...
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Originally posted by Dis_Ordur
However, I am flat out astounded that VSoH apparently did so poorly with it's presentation at E3
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All of my friends that went to E3 said Vanguard did really well ~shrug~
Ok, well like I said, what do you expect them to do? They are getting the bread buttered by the company.....
previews always make a game sound good.
The ad campain wouldn't be very good for a new release if they annouced the game was incomplete and in need of a revamp....who would buy it? All MMO's are basically in this shape when they release however lol.
Just wait until this game releases and see what happens then.
No one can really say right now.........its in beta. Its not finished. The beta players are testing it, not getting free game time. They don't even know everything thats suppost to be in yet. Thats why they are testers. The devs throw them something new and the testers try to break it. Its amazing some of these beta guys get upset when they don't see a complete game.
Its funny, a month ago this game was mankinds last best hope and it was going to be so good and now all the doom and gloom simply because SOE is going to PUBLISH (not make) the game. Nothing has changed but the publisher. Don't believe me? Look at the post history. You guys where all fired up over this game.
I've also noticed this board has picked up many of the usual SOE haters that plague other SOE boards since the SOE announcement. They have come to fuel everyones doubts about what is going to happen. They don't care about the game and never did, they just want to spred their hate of SOE.
Well Said. I remember like a month ago how everyone WAS excited about this game and this and that. Of course it was getting me all excited. Now that SOE is publishing the game, everyone hates it now. To be honest, it's stupid. I'm not going to let anyone get in the way of this game. I've been blinded in the past many of times to try this game or to try that game. Example, I was told to try WoW. . .bernt! wrong mistake boring game. I was told in the past to try Shadowbane, bernt! Wrong mistake. I've decided to just trust my instincts, and they say Try Vanguard out. I'm not going to get someone to come in here and try to tell me that this game sucks because he has friends at E3? What game does his friends play? WoW? Shadowbane? PS3 lovers?
What I'm trying to say is that I've played many games in the past the I liked, and others havn't (eg: Ultima Online) and I've played many games in the past that I've hated and everyone liked (World of Warcraft, Halo 2). I'm going with my instinct on this one.
Dis_Ordur, I don't care what your friends at E3 say or what IGN or Gamespot say about the game. All I know is this game is my game. Custumize ships/homes, strategic battles? Great beautiful graphics, neat steeds? This game sounds like an Ultima Online 2 to me with some Everquest in it. Thsoe two games together would be perfect to me.
Once the beta people can talk about the game, I guess we'll see how they feel about the game.
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One mans trash and all that...If I'd have listened to the reviewers of L2 Id have missed some of the best gaming Ive ever experienced, and yet looking at them again 2 years later I cant find fault with their individual niggles. As a previous poster has already said, you cant judge a game on a few hours alone. I will add; that is particularly true of an MMO where the community is the determining factor.
What strikes me most when I read negative Vanguard reviews isnt that the reviewer has some private agenda but more the reviewer doesnt seem particularly enthusiastic about the genre in general. Well hell, if I sent my "I hate PvP, dont even ask me to play a PvP game" friends to go review a pure PvP game I'd be a little stupid to use their evaluation as a deciding factor as to whether I play the game myself.
You know, before I started playing online games I used to buy 2/3 single-player games a month - ES and BG's dont come along that often - and cant count the number of those games that never held my interest despite a GREAT review. Why dont we make a hoohaa over those? Online games dont cost any more initially, we arent obligated to take out a subscription, but if we do find a gem they cost us less in the long run that our SP games ever did.
Viva la MMO