Originally posted by snowman22 how is enjoying a gmae and stating your own veiws of a game being a fanboi.. and to the otherside how is saying it sucks wrong? my only gripe is both sides forcing thier veiws on new people to the comunity, let those people decide for themselves.
the lash out is to just hearing the same gripe over and over.. as trolls get pissed at my non sense posts or "fanboisms" i and others get upset about seeing the same gripe about lack of info or how some computers cant run the game.
things dont need to be repeated 20 times just to say it or get a rise out of others
very true but when you have ppl that dont bother to read any other threads you have to keep repeating. No reason to get angry about it. Simply answer the question and move on. Others will get angry when their question is answered with an obvious "just shutup and keep quiet, we dont want to answer the question because it will make us look bad" answer. So they ask again and promptly get banned and locked. Driving new ppl away by those very actions.
Griping about things that were promised and promised and promised again is no fault of the poster but of the ones promising the info. Griping then about the info you do receive is simply pointing out some flaws or even downright lies in the answer. I hardly think someone getting upset about being promised again and again and again only to have a flawed or false/misleading answer and is simply upset to not have the REAL answer shown is trolling, griefing whatever the fanbois wish to call it.
Griping ( as you call it ) about obvious, clear and fundamentally false information put out by the company is yet another bone to chew on. Anyone should be angry about it. Arguing about the truth when it is clearly given with proof as backup is clearly griefing the one who states the truth or provides the evidence. Goes for twisting statements to meet the person who simply refuses to accept the truth. Denying the evidence when its in your face is nothing but futile arguments and ends up with the one denying the truth insulting, flaming and the poster being told to "get lost".
Those who absolutely refuse to believe the truth when they see or go so far as to make excuses for the lies themselves are the ones who seem to have a problem with the general view of this board.
In order for a person to make their own opionion, it is often a sensible practice to check out what others think first and find out about it. Since this game needs to be paid for before you can even attempt to make your opinion, that hardly gives the person any chance to do it. And for the few that have, even after the reviews, when they post the problems that STILL exist on the boards, they are told you have a crappy computer and shut up and wait for the real game of which they later find out that the things they are waiting to see will still yet be delayed as they are promising features at a later date then release! So honestly, without the views of others, good and bad but mostly having the truth out there and not simply being told to shut up and gimme your money, these boards provide the honest and truthful views of a game that a person may or may not be interested in.
*Case in point ---- to this day mods and staff at DNL boards emphatically state SOG is not DNL and is NOT a beta -- yet the statement from the CEO of Farlan Entertainment himself states that tSOG is indeed the beta test for DNL. Something that has been posted here for over a year. Again...the truth.
I just cant wait for release. Its like, a guy wearing some nice mail armour, and everyday something takes a little "chink" out of out it. He thinks "its weakened but still holding easily" then eventually a day comes when a guy 100x the size of him comes and just crushes him flat.
Thats what DnL is going to procure. SoG is "surviving" but weakening, the DnL official release is just going to cripple the game entirely. Obviously some enjoy it, and yeah you can argue about fanboi's etc, but to see the true measure of how bad its got, look at how many diehard fanboi's from a few years ago have turned on it. The decline of a game is easily measured by how fast the fanbase turns on it, and diehard fanboi's are usually the last, well DnL has hit this stage already.
In particular I like the post where a fanbois states that a guildie stopped be Farlan's booth ( they don't have one) and Dn L is there with all the bells and whistles from the FAQ and running smooth
Originally posted by Jackdog I think the fanbois world just imploded on them toward the end of this thread http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58469&page=3 In particular I like the post where a fanbois states that a guildie stopped be Farlan's booth ( they don't have one) and Dn L is there with all the bells and whistles from the FAQ and running smooth
yeh pretty incredible and oh so obviously false. Fanbois will pull anything. Did you see Lix responses? Its okay to post a email from a friend who supposedly is there without any backup support but its not okay to question it nor prove the facts of the email untrue. Incredible.
I ve got to agree with the paragraph the mmorg.com writer said about DNL. To have an interviewer meet in the hall and not at a booth, to not show up is so unbelieveably (sp?) irresponsible its almost childish. See no reason for it. Unless of course they are mad at them for the hard hitting questions of the last interview.
Originally posted by Alouisious I ve got to agree with the paragraph the mmorg.com writer said about DNL. To have an interviewer meet in the hall and not at a booth, to not show up is so unbelieveably (sp?) irresponsible its almost childish. See no reason for it. Unless of course they are mad at them for the hard hitting questions of the last interview.
The other theory of course is that there might not be anything to show at E3 other than SoG. They were not too mad at this site to send this over the other day
Originally posted by Jackdog Originally posted by Alouisious I ve got to agree with the paragraph the mmorg.com writer said about DNL. To have an interviewer meet in the hall and not at a booth, to not show up is so unbelieveably (sp?) irresponsible its almost childish. See no reason for it. Unless of course they are mad at them for the hard hitting questions of the last interview.
The other theory of course is that there might not be anything to show at E3 other than SoG. They were not too mad at this site to send this over the other day
Posted by MMORPG.com interviewer I'd like to say their future looks bright but I can't. If we don't get to see anything and don't get to report on anything then I'm going to guess that most people aren't really going to expect anything either. After waiting around for about 15-20 minutes harrassing people and doing body searches (kidding folks) we wandered on.
maybe they did not know where to go??
I particularly like how spot on the MMORPG interviewer's "Maybe they did not know where to go??" comment is. Appropriate, don't you think? Not just for how it reflects on the Farlan/NP3 people at E3, but on the history of DnL's development over the last few years.
I think we may be witnessing NP3's last stand. I had theorized that they had just went to E3 to try and scrape up a loan, if they did not get one then why bother with the charade any longer.
Originally posted by Jackdog hmm looks like they may have snubbed Stratics also http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58469&page=4 I think we may be witnessing NP3's last stand. I had theorized that they had just went to E3 to try and scrape up a loan, if they did not get one then why bother with the charade any longer.
Time to fire up the funeral dirge, I believe that the end has arrived and we won't even make it to May 30.
Even if they release product who the hell will play it? They have just commited suicide today with it would appear MMORPG and Stratics, good move.
Now Fawnbois defend that logic with your insane ravings of deluded mad men.
One poster courageously flamed me, you would say I'm used to it alright, but what is more surprising is Neorapsta -DnL mod- answer:
You shouldn't try and stoop to the mmorpg.com level of posting, everyone knows its where the trolls go after they get kicked from the respective gaming forums, so mmorpg don't want to lose their main player base
For the record, a French AD mod came down in favour of Farlan/NPCube after I started publishing what they call "my version of the story" on the Web. Farlan announced a second time (first time was after WarCry article: "they were reserving themselves the right to sue me") that they were going to take the intiative to take me to court. But the thing is that the AD mod went further is claiming that "Farlan was well within their rights and that the case now belonged to courts".
That was 6 months ago... of course no news of this hypothetical court action today. Yesterday, I finally obtained that that particular mod removes her libellous sentence and by "this action" that she recognizes she didn't have to speak in her name and that her role was only to act as the spokesperson of NPCube/Farlan, certainly not to add to their words. She did not even excuse herself for having spread such false allegations.
I think we cannot even imagine what they are capable of not to lose face.
oh indeed! They are sooooo afraid of this site now. Stating troll base and biased and nothing but bad posts. Trying to slur the credibility of a site that has nothing but proof is pathetic. Only shows the truth of the fanatics -- afraid of this site and the truth it contains.
The FACT is --- mmorpg.com is the ONLY site that demands PROOF of the statements made.
The PROBLEM is --- dnl fanatics cant handle the TRUTH.
Originally posted by Cholayna The PROBLEM is --- dnl fanatics cant handle the TRUTH.
Reminds me of what Bertrand Russell said:
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
It's a requirement that fanatics deny the evidence that is right in front of their faces. And since I have used a quote by someone, I expect Blacksac to pipe up and say how pitiful that makes me.
and now they have brought themselves here to inflict the DNL brand of forum use to the front. As predicted, we are seeing an influx of new posts and brand new posters stating exactly as predicted. As predicted, we are seeing an increase of the flaming to a truthful statement made here. As predicted, we are seeing new posts that are flaming and trying to discredit the truths already established here on this board. There are new bans, new suspensions and new locked threads at the DNL forums. Interesting to watch what the stress test lock/banned post will measure up.
Yes you can see that. I was away from this board due to a few making all threads a misdirect. I come back and see that a few were gone for a little bit (after several deleted posts in several threads) but have now come back. Good timing on my part eh?
It really is frustrating to try to read a thread and someone goes off on a completely different topic and is plainly and openly attacked. Arguing the same points over and over in different twists and trying desperately to discredit the truth. It does show an act of desperation but oh my! you can certainly tell how the "feel" of this forum changes almost instantly from a few dnl forum posters.
LOL WATCH OUT! HERE THEY COME!!! Its almost download time. Put your helmets on! Gear up! (those of you with the credits -- stay in the back, we need the uber up here to fight them off - oh wait, you arent allowed here anyway). Theres gonna be a sh**load coming up very very soon!!!
As you can see, and as predicted, we have threads now glorifying the game, buyers everywhere, stating "nothing of substance out there, so Im gonna try DNL".........who the heck do they think they are fooling? They think every other game out there totally sucks and has no "substance' when DNL cant even hold 100 players at the same time and a half-baked, unfinished, incomplete and flybynight design game does???????
Time to put on the deep water waders instead of just the galoshes. LOL Gawd, these people kill me.
Originally posted by LilBoPeep and one week added Zorb. LOL As you can see, and as predicted, we have threads now glorifying the game, buyers everywhere, stating "nothing of substance out there, so Im gonna try DNL".........who the heck do they think they are fooling? They think every other game out there totally sucks and has no "substance' when DNL cant even hold 100 players at the same time and a half-baked, unfinished, incomplete and flybynight design game does??????? Time to put on the deep water waders instead of just the galoshes. LOL Gawd, these people kill me.
I like the one over on the official forums where the poster registered 2 years ago but only has three posts and just came back to post because of all the good things she/he has been hearing about the game. I think the most recent out break of the ALI bug has even the most blinded and fanatical of the fanbois becoming worried. NP3 is doing some very desperate last minute attempts at damage control. So many leaks in the hull, and so few fingers to plug em. This game is dead before release.
Ok in no way I mean no disrespect or rude judgement to any of you here. But all im seeing here is gripiing about a game that you wont even play, why are you here talking about the bad points of a game over and over to me it seems like a waste of time, effort, and typing. Everyone has a right to there opinion of the game but just because it isnt for you does not mean it should or should not be for someone else its just what they like, thats just the way it is. We do not know what they will change in the future and you forget the game is still in testing, alot of games in developement seem to push there games further and further to a later date something to consider.
There is nothing you can do if someone does not want to face the facts of the game, and this is true in general for anyone who does not want to face facts in all of life, all we can do is guide and hope for the best, but many of you act like the company has personally attacked you. It is there game they can do as they wish with it rather its running it into the ground or making it a better game.
And in my opinion just because someone may like the games does not make them a fanboi, and why do so many people have problems with fanbois, almost everyone is a fan of something are we not? Can we just move on to something else I hope this game gets better for everyone if you dont like it, try to just move on enough said find a differant game it is not the end of the world, there are much more productive and fun things to do then create nothing but chaos in a forum.
honestly do think you ought to actually READ the threads as many of us STILL Play. That makes what you ahve to say meaningless.
When someone asks whats up with the game what are we supposed to say? SOrry, Angel and the others dont want us talking about it cuz theres really nothing good to say about???
When someone constantly tries to shove "Im gonna buy this game because..." and we add why you shouldnt, because WE ARE PLAYING IT, we should just say sure bud, go ahead, its a great game, that has great potential and dont mind the things that arent there cuz its gonna be, oh yes, they wouldnt lie to us, just look at how they treat us! They are our bestest friends? Is that what you would prefer???????
Also, I will again suggest you read this board before you start slamming every one of us. If you would have taken the time, you would have seen there are a few who like the game, come here and post, still play the game but do not get called fanboi. Find out the meaning of Fanboi and you may then be able to comprehend this board a little more before you step on the soapbox of yet another truthbashing flamer you yourself are exhibiting. The opinions may be not what you wish to hear, however they too are entitled to them, just as you seem so sure of your own.
First of all your judgement on me is poor, I for one never said everybody I said most people here. And No I do not expect you to like them but people need to get over it because almost every company does that and most are in it just for the money, thats just the way the mmorpg world is right now. There are a few good companys like nc soft, its just a game it isnt life, no need to keep repeating this over and over. The wow is better then gw forums are similar to this. Anyone can be mislead in life but the true facts dont come out until the game actually has time to evolve thats what mmorpgs do is evolve. This is why I dont get my hopes up until I see the facts.
Originally posted by Angelbound First of all your judgement on me is poor, I for one never said everybody I said most people here. And No I do not expect you to like them but people need to get over it because almost every company does that and most are in it just for the money, thats just the way the mmorpg world is right now. There are a few good companys like nc soft, its just a game it isnt life, no need to keep repeating this over and over. The wow is better then gw forums are similar to this. Anyone can be mislead in life but the true facts dont come out until the game actually has time to evolve thats what mmorpgs do is evolve. This is why I dont get my hopes up until I see the facts.
I agree,. No need to keep repeating that the "bad" review posts dont need to be said. This of course goes ithout sayig that all "good" review posts and all the posts where they ask whats it really like? will you buy? "Im gonna buy because..." are all well and fine and SHOULD be on this forum. ANd again, with the 'wait and see". Games, and in your own words and in the words of many who do and many who dont play...the way the mmorpg world is right now is bygawd! Crap releases, unfinished games and sloppy content is not the accepted norm. I will use one this board seems to bash simply because they cant handle the truth....a recent release D&DO was near perfect at release, with allll of the promised content and features in place and working. A few to be seen in the next few months that are still in beta already have allllllllll the promised features in place, the promised content is nearly complete with additions on an almost constant daily basis and guess what???? Its all working just fine, surprisingly, pleasingly and expectedly so. Thats the difference. Quit living in the squall of bs games, the big hitters, even the "sleepers" are far more ready in the middle of their scheduled Betas than what DNL expects the community to accept at release and well into the first couple of months. Thier "beta" is a failure. Again.
I do agree with you alot there, for example how soe claims that eq2 was well done and made for the future graphics of gaming. Yes in a sense it was but the mechanics look under developed in my opinion I may be wrong but it really does to me, other then that the graphics are ok but oblivion is pretty good to yes its not online but a good game to play while your waiting on the new mmorpgs to come out. But I think the mmorpgs world will get better personally, I have yet to find a game that replaces the fun factor I had with eq1, the community was very mature, there was alot of freedom in things to do in the game, yes quests wherent really muich exp and very slow but I have yet to find a game as massive.
Guild wars is a good game for being free but I cannot get into it, I think because I played wow, but I left wow because of the community and the lack of variety, its a good game just not for me, but one thing that has always got to me is the fact that I have not seen a true fantasy game with more imagination, I for one would like to see some angel races with classes similar for the race and other things related to extreme imagination, but sadly most companys are just in it for the money heh. The only game I really liked other then eq1 was city of heroes but it was to much of a grind for me and leveling was way to slow.
I do have high hopes for vangaurd but ever since I heard soe took over im kind of cautious now, but like I said im going to wait and see, as for d and d online it is a good game but it lacked something I just couldnt keep playing after the third day of my free trial, again it just was not for me.
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very true but when you have ppl that dont bother to read any other threads you have to keep repeating. No reason to get angry about it. Simply answer the question and move on. Others will get angry when their question is answered with an obvious "just shutup and keep quiet, we dont want to answer the question because it will make us look bad" answer. So they ask again and promptly get banned and locked. Driving new ppl away by those very actions.
Griping about things that were promised and promised and promised again is no fault of the poster but of the ones promising the info. Griping then about the info you do receive is simply pointing out some flaws or even downright lies in the answer. I hardly think someone getting upset about being promised again and again and again only to have a flawed or false/misleading answer and is simply upset to not have the REAL answer shown is trolling, griefing whatever the fanbois wish to call it.
Griping ( as you call it ) about obvious, clear and fundamentally false information put out by the company is yet another bone to chew on. Anyone should be angry about it. Arguing about the truth when it is clearly given with proof as backup is clearly griefing the one who states the truth or provides the evidence. Goes for twisting statements to meet the person who simply refuses to accept the truth. Denying the evidence when its in your face is nothing but futile arguments and ends up with the one denying the truth insulting, flaming and the poster being told to "get lost".
Those who absolutely refuse to believe the truth when they see or go so far as to make excuses for the lies themselves are the ones who seem to have a problem with the general view of this board.
In order for a person to make their own opionion, it is often a sensible practice to check out what others think first and find out about it. Since this game needs to be paid for before you can even attempt to make your opinion, that hardly gives the person any chance to do it. And for the few that have, even after the reviews, when they post the problems that STILL exist on the boards, they are told you have a crappy computer and shut up and wait for the real game of which they later find out that the things they are waiting to see will still yet be delayed as they are promising features at a later date then release! So honestly, without the views of others, good and bad but mostly having the truth out there and not simply being told to shut up and gimme your money, these boards provide the honest and truthful views of a game that a person may or may not be interested in.
*Case in point ---- to this day mods and staff at DNL boards emphatically state SOG is not DNL and is NOT a beta -- yet the statement from the CEO of Farlan Entertainment himself states that tSOG is indeed the beta test for DNL. Something that has been posted here for over a year. Again...the truth.
Thats what DnL is going to procure. SoG is "surviving" but weakening, the DnL official release is just going to cripple the game entirely. Obviously some enjoy it, and yeah you can argue about fanboi's etc, but to see the true measure of how bad its got, look at how many diehard fanboi's from a few years ago have turned on it. The decline of a game is easily measured by how fast the fanbase turns on it, and diehard fanboi's are usually the last, well DnL has hit this stage already.
I think the fanbois world just imploded on them toward the end of this thread
http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58469&page=3
In particular I like the post where a fanbois states that a guildie stopped be Farlan's booth ( they don't have one) and Dn L is there with all the bells and whistles from the FAQ and running smooth
I miss DAoC
yeh pretty incredible and oh so obviously false. Fanbois will pull anything. Did you see Lix responses? Its okay to post a email from a friend who supposedly is there without any backup support but its not okay to question it nor prove the facts of the email untrue. Incredible.
I ve got to agree with the paragraph the mmorg.com writer said about DNL. To have an interviewer meet in the hall and not at a booth, to not show up is so unbelieveably (sp?) irresponsible its almost childish. See no reason for it. Unless of course they are mad at them for the hard hitting questions of the last interview.
The other theory of course is that there might not be anything to show at E3 other than SoG. They were not too mad at this site to send this over the other day
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/77280
I miss DAoC
The other theory of course is that there might not be anything to show at E3 other than SoG. They were not too mad at this site to send this over the other day
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/77280
LOL Agree. Their big news for E3 - a delayed announcement of an announcement they made 3 weeks prior about a delay. Delicious.
I particularly like how spot on the MMORPG interviewer's "Maybe they did not know where to go??" comment is. Appropriate, don't you think? Not just for how it reflects on the Farlan/NP3 people at E3, but on the history of DnL's development over the last few years.
hmm looks like they may have snubbed Stratics also
http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58469&page=4
I think we may be witnessing NP3's last stand. I had theorized that they had just went to E3 to try and scrape up a loan, if they did not get one then why bother with the charade any longer.
I miss DAoC
Time to fire up the funeral dirge, I believe that the end has arrived and we won't even make it to May 30.
Even if they release product who the hell will play it? They have just commited suicide today with it would appear MMORPG and Stratics, good move.
Now Fawnbois defend that logic with your insane ravings of deluded mad men.
Incredible, even the mods go at it now. http://www.darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58470
One poster courageously flamed me, you would say I'm used to it alright, but what is more surprising is Neorapsta -DnL mod- answer:
No, it's not only a flight sim
Current Work In Progress
oh indeed! They are sooooo afraid of this site now. Stating troll base and biased and nothing but bad posts. Trying to slur the credibility of a site that has nothing but proof is pathetic. Only shows the truth of the fanatics -- afraid of this site and the truth it contains.
The FACT is --- mmorpg.com is the ONLY site that demands PROOF of the statements made.
The PROBLEM is --- dnl fanatics cant handle the TRUTH.
Reminds me of what Bertrand Russell said:
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
It's a requirement that fanatics deny the evidence that is right in front of their faces. And since I have used a quote by someone, I expect Blacksac to pipe up and say how pitiful that makes me.
Yes you can see that. I was away from this board due to a few making all threads a misdirect. I come back and see that a few were gone for a little bit (after several deleted posts in several threads) but have now come back. Good timing on my part eh?
It really is frustrating to try to read a thread and someone goes off on a completely different topic and is plainly and openly attacked. Arguing the same points over and over in different twists and trying desperately to discredit the truth. It does show an act of desperation but oh my! you can certainly tell how the "feel" of this forum changes almost instantly from a few dnl forum posters.
and one week added Zorb. LOL
As you can see, and as predicted, we have threads now glorifying the game, buyers everywhere, stating "nothing of substance out there, so Im gonna try DNL".........who the heck do they think they are fooling? They think every other game out there totally sucks and has no "substance' when DNL cant even hold 100 players at the same time and a half-baked, unfinished, incomplete and flybynight design game does???????
Time to put on the deep water waders instead of just the galoshes. LOL Gawd, these people kill me.
I like the one over on the official forums where the poster registered 2 years ago but only has three posts and just came back to post because of all the good things she/he has been hearing about the game. I think the most recent out break of the ALI bug has even the most blinded and fanatical of the fanbois becoming worried. NP3 is doing some very desperate last minute attempts at damage control. So many leaks in the hull, and so few fingers to plug em. This game is dead before release.
I miss DAoC
Ok in no way I mean no disrespect or rude judgement to any of you here. But all im seeing here is gripiing about a game that you wont even play, why are you here talking about the bad points of a game over and over to me it seems like a waste of time, effort, and typing. Everyone has a right to there opinion of the game but just because it isnt for you does not mean it should or should not be for someone else its just what they like, thats just the way it is. We do not know what they will change in the future and you forget the game is still in testing, alot of games in developement seem to push there games further and further to a later date something to consider.
There is nothing you can do if someone does not want to face the facts of the game, and this is true in general for anyone who does not want to face facts in all of life, all we can do is guide and hope for the best, but many of you act like the company has personally attacked you. It is there game they can do as they wish with it rather its running it into the ground or making it a better game.
And in my opinion just because someone may like the games does not make them a fanboi, and why do so many people have problems with fanbois, almost everyone is a fan of something are we not? Can we just move on to something else I hope this game gets better for everyone if you dont like it, try to just move on enough said find a differant game it is not the end of the world, there are much more productive and fun things to do then create nothing but chaos in a forum.
honestly do think you ought to actually READ the threads as many of us STILL Play. That makes what you ahve to say meaningless.
When someone asks whats up with the game what are we supposed to say? SOrry, Angel and the others dont want us talking about it cuz theres really nothing good to say about???
When someone constantly tries to shove "Im gonna buy this game because..." and we add why you shouldnt, because WE ARE PLAYING IT, we should just say sure bud, go ahead, its a great game, that has great potential and dont mind the things that arent there cuz its gonna be, oh yes, they wouldnt lie to us, just look at how they treat us! They are our bestest friends? Is that what you would prefer???????
Also, I will again suggest you read this board before you start slamming every one of us. If you would have taken the time, you would have seen there are a few who like the game, come here and post, still play the game but do not get called fanboi. Find out the meaning of Fanboi and you may then be able to comprehend this board a little more before you step on the soapbox of yet another truthbashing flamer you yourself are exhibiting. The opinions may be not what you wish to hear, however they too are entitled to them, just as you seem so sure of your own.
I do agree with you alot there, for example how soe claims that eq2 was well done and made for the future graphics of gaming. Yes in a sense it was but the mechanics look under developed in my opinion I may be wrong but it really does to me, other then that the graphics are ok but oblivion is pretty good to yes its not online but a good game to play while your waiting on the new mmorpgs to come out. But I think the mmorpgs world will get better personally, I have yet to find a game that replaces the fun factor I had with eq1, the community was very mature, there was alot of freedom in things to do in the game, yes quests wherent really muich exp and very slow but I have yet to find a game as massive.
Guild wars is a good game for being free but I cannot get into it, I think because I played wow, but I left wow because of the community and the lack of variety, its a good game just not for me, but one thing that has always got to me is the fact that I have not seen a true fantasy game with more imagination, I for one would like to see some angel races with classes similar for the race and other things related to extreme imagination, but sadly most companys are just in it for the money heh. The only game I really liked other then eq1 was city of heroes but it was to much of a grind for me and leveling was way to slow.
I do have high hopes for vangaurd but ever since I heard soe took over im kind of cautious now, but like I said im going to wait and see, as for d and d online it is a good game but it lacked something I just couldnt keep playing after the third day of my free trial, again it just was not for me.