bcbully said: Why do you think they are doing it? Do you think they are doing it to protect their citizens? That's why China said they did it.
If real money prizes are against South Korean law then they're doing it simply because they must treat all games equally. Governments are not in the habit of evaluating whether some game is allowed to break law and giving out exceptions, nor should they operate that way.
They aren't against the law though. Do you think they should be? If so why?
The article you linked tells that the problem with law is: "Prizes earned from gaming in South Korea cannot exceed 10,000 KRW ($8.42) at a time"
Right, real prize money is not against the law. Why do you think it should be?
It says real prize money that exceeds 10 000 KRW at a time is against the law.
Correct, anything under 10k krw is not against korean law.
I think virtually all countries in the world are going to do what they can do to protect their currency. I expect regulation regarding cryptocurrencies to be done in Western countries within the next few years. Depending on how it's done that regulation could affect games.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
South Korea and China are not even on the same playing field with regards to government systems. Any discussion of motivation must start there.
Comparing the two as if they're both apples betrays an ignorance of how each country's government truly works. South Korea is ranked higher than the U.S. (S. Korea 23rd, U.S. 25th) in terms of strength of democracy by the 2020 Democracy Index.
China is not a representative form of government at all. They're ranked 151st in terms of strength of democracy (READ: full authoritarian). Even if China's government *thinks* it's protecting its people, it has zero clue if its people even want such protection because it *doesn't care what its people want.*
South Korea's government gives the people say. You can extrapolate policy as an extension of the people's will only when the people have a say in shaping said policy. China cannot make such a claim.
It's frankly becoming quite uncomfortable how many here seem to not understand what's going on in China, really. Specifically where some posters have tried defending them. Dangerously delusional.
The article says: "To combat the proliferation of what it sees as speculative money-making schemes,"
It also says: "P2E gaming has become popular in the cryptocurrency industry. Gamers typically must first purchase game pieces as nonfungible tokens (NFT) in order to play the game and receive in-game rewards."
I think their vision is clear, and I'm glad they are taking action.
As many posters here have pointed out, most people end up losing money on this stuff. Only the few actually do that. The rest just get suckered in.
So you think they are doing it to protect their citizens like china.
I'm not sure what China's motives are.
As for korea, You are "happy" they are taking action to protect their citizens against games. Specifically ones you need to make a purchase to play and can earn in-game rewards.
I don't mean any disrespect to anyone, truly, I love you all maggots. But, please stop having opinions about other countries when you know nothing about their culture, history, politics, issues, and actually what the fuck is going on besides what your media feeds you.
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South Korea and China are not even on the same playing field with regards to government systems. Any discussion of motivation must start there.
Comparing the two as if they're both apples betrays an ignorance of how each country's government truly works. South Korea is ranked higher than the U.S. (S. Korea 23rd, U.S. 25th) in terms of strength of democracy by the 2020 Democracy Index.
China is not a representative form of government at all. They're ranked 151st in terms of strength of democracy (READ: full authoritarian). Even if China's government *thinks* it's protecting its people, it has zero clue if its people even want such protection because it *doesn't care what its people want.*
South Korea's government gives the people say. You can extrapolate policy as an extension of the people's will only when the people have a say in shaping said policy. China cannot make such a claim.
It's frankly becoming quite uncomfortable how many here seem to not understand what's going on in China, really. Specifically where some posters have tried defending them. Dangerously delusional.
I dont think you know how anything truely works. Democracies are infiltrated/bought and paid for. If you believe anything else your simply not paying attention. You have no true representation. It dont matter where you live.
South Korea and China are not even on the same playing field with regards to government systems. Any discussion of motivation must start there.
Comparing the two as if they're both apples betrays an ignorance of how each country's government truly works. South Korea is ranked higher than the U.S. (S. Korea 23rd, U.S. 25th) in terms of strength of democracy by the 2020 Democracy Index.
China is not a representative form of government at all. They're ranked 151st in terms of strength of democracy (READ: full authoritarian). Even if China's government *thinks* it's protecting its people, it has zero clue if its people even want such protection because it *doesn't care what its people want.*
South Korea's government gives the people say. You can extrapolate policy as an extension of the people's will only when the people have a say in shaping said policy. China cannot make such a claim.
It's frankly becoming quite uncomfortable how many here seem to not understand what's going on in China, really. Specifically where some posters have tried defending them. Dangerously delusional.
One thing I see ignored in all these discussions is Culture.
Just to add for anyone's benefit is that Culture and Politics are not one in the same. Capitalism, Communism and everything else under the Sun can share the same Culture.
Correct, anything under 10k krw is not against korean law.
We are clear here that real money prizes are ok.
I was getting board with the usual internets lawyers who were experts on any American and European law. I'm glad to see some people are up'ing their game and are now internet experts on Korean (and possibly Chinese from the thread) law. That'll at least keep things interesting.
Jokes aside; The current idea of P2E is still evolving and as such, more and varied regulations will likely enter the arms race. Some will be good, some bad on the side of both the games and regulations. In the case of S. Korea; I believe they are a democracy with a similar composition to ours (3 branches) so the people of that country can vote accordingly depending on where they stand on the issue.
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Correct, anything under 10k krw is not against korean law.
We are clear here that real money prizes are ok.
I was getting board with the usual internets lawyers who were experts on any American and European law. I'm glad to see some people are up'ing their game and are now internet experts on Korean (and possibly Chinese from the thread) law. That'll at least keep things interesting.
Jokes aside; The current idea of P2E is still evolving and as such, more and varied regulations will likely enter the arms race. Some will be good, some bad on the side of both the games and regulations. In the case of S. Korea; I believe they are a democracy with a similar composition to ours (3 branches) so the people of that country can vote accordingly depending on where they stand on the issue.
Agreeded They can vote. It will take time though, to undue what was done without a vote.
Correct, anything under 10k krw is not against korean law.
We are clear here that real money prizes are ok.
I was getting board with the usual internets lawyers who were experts on any American and European law. I'm glad to see some people are up'ing their game and are now internet experts on Korean (and possibly Chinese from the thread) law. That'll at least keep things interesting.
Jokes aside; The current idea of P2E is still evolving and as such, more and varied regulations will likely enter the arms race. Some will be good, some bad on the side of both the games and regulations. In the case of S. Korea; I believe they are a democracy with a similar composition to ours (3 branches) so the people of that country can vote accordingly depending on where they stand on the issue.
I will say that when it comes to regulations.
Some styles of Government are more reactionary and some styles of Government are more precautionary.
Just hope they are being reactionary or precautionary in our best interests and not theirs.
Agreeded They can vote. It will take time though, to undue what was done without a vote.
You're making a potentially false assumption that there is a desire to undo it. One can just as easily assume that people voted for representatives that generally have similar ideologies and therefore, the regulation is largely desired.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Agreeded They can vote. It will take time though, to undue what was done without a vote.
You're making a potentially false assumption that there is a desire to undo it. One can just as easily assume that people voted for representatives that generally have similar ideologies and therefore, the regulation is largely desired.
No assumption needed with my statement.
Yes you could assume what you just stated. I'm not really interested in assumptions on how the korean legislative system works.
I'm more interested in finding out where gamers on this forum stand on the action taken.
I'm more interested in finding out where gamers on this forum stand on the action taken.
In that case: @ConstantineMerus probably said it best. But you seem like you might be more interested in hyperbole and argument so your mileage may vary.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I dont really see the future in P2E games since I believe China is against crypto (someone can correct me if I'm wrong). Not to mention P2E games feel like they would increase playtime, which I think China is against since they limit how much people can play and spend on games over there. I mainly bring up China since many western markets still want to breakthrough there, but then again the US is boycotting China I think, so I guess we'll see.
I'm more interested in finding out where gamers on this forum stand on the action taken.
In that case: @ConstantineMerus probably said it best. But you seem like you might be more interested in hyperbole and argument so your mileage may vary.
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You think he was saying gamers on this forum shouldn't have an opinion on South Korea asking for games to be removed?
I could be wrong, but I think he was typing more towards the comments on culture, history, politics and on going issues. I agree in this regard.
Like I said none of that matters to me. It's truly interesting to me seeing some gamers here in favor of governments taking action against games.
Correct, anything under 10k krw is not against korean law.
We are clear here that real money prizes are ok.
I was getting board with the usual internets lawyers who were experts on any American and European law. I'm glad to see some people are up'ing their game and are now internet experts on Korean (and possibly Chinese from the thread) law. That'll at least keep things interesting.
It's not really a matter of being expert on any law since it says on the article that "gaming prizes over a few dollars are banned in South Korea", and later explains more on that.
Basically all you need to do is to read the article instead of the conspiracy-theory level shit that bcbully is posting here.
Don't equate game to something truly harmless. If they regulate something they might do it because they want to control the affects. Just because something is a game does not give it a seal of approval to be innocuous.
Yes I would want my government to take action against harmful games.
Don't equate game to something truly harmless. If they regulate something they might do it because they want to control the affects. Just because something is a game does not give it a seal of approval to be innocuous.
Yes I would want my government to take action against harmful games.
I loved the show. It was very well done. I watch a tonne of Korean dramas. Chinese and Japanese too enough to understand a smattering of all three languages.
Don't equate game to something truly harmless. If they regulate something they might do it because they want to control the affects. Just because something is a game does not give it a seal of approval to be innocuous.
Yes I would want my government to take action against harmful games.
The question, as always, lies in who defines "harmful".
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Don't equate game to something truly harmless. If they regulate something they might do it because they want to control the affects. Just because something is a game does not give it a seal of approval to be innocuous.
Yes I would want my government to take action against harmful games.
The question, as always, lies in who defines "harmful".
According to my definition of course. Any other gauge is of no use to me. Good thing I am not an elected official capable of making any decisions.
Correct, anything under 10k krw is not against korean law.
We are clear here that real money prizes are ok.
I was getting board with the usual internets lawyers who were experts on any American and European law. I'm glad to see some people are up'ing their game and are now internet experts on Korean (and possibly Chinese from the thread) law. That'll at least keep things interesting.
It's not really a matter of being expert on any law since it says on the article that "gaming prizes over a few dollars are banned in South Korea", and later explains more on that.
Basically all you need to do is to read the article instead of the conspiracy-theory level shit that bcbully is posting here.
*takes off tinfoil hat*
South Korea has been sugical with regards to actions taking against crypto currenicies this year. Their action show a deeper understand than most governments.
The reason I drew distction between all prize money and prize money above 10k krw is because Axie's (a very popular game in korea and southern asia) prize money for all matches is below 10k krw. To add to this players need to buy to play it, and they are earning $8-900 a month.
There is more nuance here than seen on the surface. It's a great discussion to be had.
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We are clear here that real money prizes are ok.
Comparing the two as if they're both apples betrays an ignorance of how each country's government truly works. South Korea is ranked higher than the U.S. (S. Korea 23rd, U.S. 25th) in terms of strength of democracy by the 2020 Democracy Index.
China is not a representative form of government at all. They're ranked 151st in terms of strength of democracy (READ: full authoritarian). Even if China's government *thinks* it's protecting its people, it has zero clue if its people even want such protection because it *doesn't care what its people want.*
South Korea's government gives the people say. You can extrapolate policy as an extension of the people's will only when the people have a say in shaping said policy. China cannot make such a claim.
It's frankly becoming quite uncomfortable how many here seem to not understand what's going on in China, really. Specifically where some posters have tried defending them. Dangerously delusional.
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
not likely youll ever go off script lol.
Just to add for anyone's benefit is that Culture and Politics are not one in the same. Capitalism, Communism and everything else under the Sun can share the same Culture.
Imho
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Jokes aside; The current idea of P2E is still evolving and as such, more and varied regulations will likely enter the arms race. Some will be good, some bad on the side of both the games and regulations. In the case of S. Korea; I believe they are a democracy with a similar composition to ours (3 branches) so the people of that country can vote accordingly depending on where they stand on the issue.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Some styles of Government are more reactionary and some styles of Government are more precautionary.
Just hope they are being reactionary or precautionary in our best interests and not theirs.
Imho
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Yes you could assume what you just stated. I'm not really interested in assumptions on how the korean legislative system works.
I'm more interested in finding out where gamers on this forum stand on the action taken.
Interesting, isn't it?
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
You think he was saying gamers on this forum shouldn't have an opinion on South Korea asking for games to be removed?
I could be wrong, but I think he was typing more towards the comments on culture, history, politics and on going issues. I agree in this regard.
Like I said none of that matters to me. It's truly interesting to me seeing some gamers here in favor of governments taking action against games.
I genuinely what to know why.
Basically all you need to do is to read the article instead of the conspiracy-theory level shit that bcbully is posting here.
Yes I would want my government to take action against harmful games.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
South Korea has been sugical with regards to actions taking against crypto currenicies this year. Their action show a deeper understand than most governments.
The reason I drew distction between all prize money and prize money above 10k krw is because Axie's (a very popular game in korea and southern asia) prize money for all matches is below 10k krw. To add to this players need to buy to play it, and they are earning $8-900 a month.
There is more nuance here than seen on the surface. It's a great discussion to be had.