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New World Devs on Creating Memorable Female Characters, Including Fellowship & Fire's Grace and Skye

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edited March 2023 in News & Features Discussion

imageNew World Devs on Creating Memorable Female Characters, Including Fellowship & Fire's Grace and Skye | MMORPG.com

This week, New World's Forged in Aeternum features a behind the scenes look at creating some of the game's memorable female characters, including the Siren Queen and Fellowship & Fire's Grace.

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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618
    edited March 2023
    This whole article is kind of ironic to say the least.....lol


    It's kind of a running gag at this point, that the character creation is truly subpar etc, even in the official forums....
    Kyleran

    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Asm0deus said:
    This whole article is kind of ironic to say the least.....lol


    It's kind of a running gag at this point, that the character creation is truly subpar etc, even in the official forums....
    Well, technically they're correct because they cheat: the NPCs they create are not made with the clunky minimalist character creator we have to use - their handcrafted NPCs look much better than our characters.

    :)
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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618
    edited March 2023
    Maybe so but frankly no one cares about the npc characters.....we care about our own characters.

    It's not just about looks...basically they got a male skeleton and stance and wrapped a female skin around it....made everything very similar bland so almost all armor skins work whether it be male or female.

    Result all skins are butt fugly and they seem bent on giving us only clown suits...its so bad they are not making enough cash with the crappy skins int he cash shop so they now are adding a paid season pass option...lol

    Hell I still got 25k cash shop currency from launch cause there is not crapola worth buying in there right now skin wise.

    This article and the devs proud of this are quite a joke and a prime example of how NOT to do it.

    To quote a female player I know that hates the graceless female avatars in NW.

    "Currently, my "lady" runs up and down stairs like she's wearing 9 maxi pads and it's frustrating (and others on the official forums and steam agree too). Why?"

    Never got a reply on why beyond AGS is too woke....

    LTBK

    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • KappadonnaKappadonna Member UncommonPosts: 119
    edited March 2023
    Females? In New World? Please.... My Steam review centered around the matter, written sometime last year:

    The character creation system in itself is laughable, and a complete pandering to the modern American PC culture, where every issue and topic relates to some faux-social movement. In this brave New World, women don't resemble women but men. There exists no method, magical or otherwise, to create an even marginally attractive female character because the game developers designed their female models androgynous to the effect that "sexualization" was never in question (because, as we know, there are no good looking people in real life, therefore there can't be in a video game either). No one asked for Korean Black Desert-esque characters; but some of us would like to create an appealing fictional fantasy character, given this is a fictional fantasy setting. Guess that is asking too much from a game in the Deplorable Year of 2022.

    Asm0deusLTBK
  • OG_SolareusOG_Solareus Member RarePosts: 1,041
    edited March 2023
    The new term is "reproductive person". A women are not a gender anymore so this is a fine line for Amazon to walk.

    I completely support the idea of strong female, woman characters, there's really not enough of them special with Korea's over sexualization of woman in mmos''ss..

    But organization are losing lawsuits filed against them for miss-genderization and "trans rights". Disc Golf is facing a lawsuit as we speak.
    F2P or DIE !
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,061
    This comment section went places real fast. Not good places, but places.
    KyleranOG_Solareus
  • DigDuggyDigDuggy Member RarePosts: 694

    Asm0deus said:

    Maybe so but frankly no one cares about the npc characters.....we care about our own characters.



    It's not just about looks...basically they got a male skeleton and stance and wrapped a female skin around it....made everything very similar bland so almost all armor skins work whether it be male or female.



    Result all skins are butt fugly and they seem bent on giving us only clown suits...its so bad they are not making enough cash with the crappy skins int he cash shop so they now are adding a paid season pass option...lol


    Hell I still got 25k cash shop currency from launch cause there is not crapola worth buying in there right now skin wise.


    This article and the devs proud of this are quite a joke and a prime example of how NOT to do it.



    To quote a female player I know that hates the graceless female avatars in NW.



    "Currently, my "lady" runs up and down stairs like she's wearing 9 maxi pads and it's frustrating (and others on the official forums and steam agree too). Why?"



    Never got a reply on why beyond AGS is too woke....




    Of course people care. Maybe not individually, but the graphics and characters and terrain and buildings..... create the atmosphere for the game. Otherwise, you could just have boxes running around. The look and feel of a game creates the atmosphere. It's very important.
    IselinScot
  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618
    edited March 2023
    Qbertq said:
    .....snip...




    Of course people care. Maybe not individually, but the graphics and characters and terrain and buildings..... create the atmosphere for the game. Otherwise, you could just have boxes running around. The look and feel of a game creates the atmosphere. It's very important.

    Do you even play NW?  I think not.

     I mean there's not like that many npc anyways...so yeah ofc people care in the some sense but not in the sense this article is talking about...

    Our own avatars are more important than the npc in NW by far so yeah my statement stands, no on in NW really cares about the npc and care far more about their own avatars.

    Stop being ridiculous man this whole article is a damned joke...our avatars and the stumpy cross dressed "females" in it ruin any kind of atmosphere npc's can add by far...lol

    I love immersion I got a ton of immersion mods in my current game of cyberpunk 2077 however in NW there's no point cause of the shitty character creation as it kills immersion far too much for any kind of npc immersion to matter.

    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • OG_SolareusOG_Solareus Member RarePosts: 1,041
    Qbertq said:

    Asm0deus said:

    Maybe so but frankly no one cares about the npc characters.....we care about our own characters.



    It's not just about looks...basically they got a male skeleton and stance and wrapped a female skin around it....made everything very similar bland so almost all armor skins work whether it be male or female.



    Result all skins are butt fugly and they seem bent on giving us only clown suits...its so bad they are not making enough cash with the crappy skins int he cash shop so they now are adding a paid season pass option...lol


    Hell I still got 25k cash shop currency from launch cause there is not crapola worth buying in there right now skin wise.


    This article and the devs proud of this are quite a joke and a prime example of how NOT to do it.



    To quote a female player I know that hates the graceless female avatars in NW.



    "Currently, my "lady" runs up and down stairs like she's wearing 9 maxi pads and it's frustrating (and others on the official forums and steam agree too). Why?"



    Never got a reply on why beyond AGS is too woke....




    Of course people care. Maybe not individually, but the graphics and characters and terrain and buildings..... create the atmosphere for the game. Otherwise, you could just have boxes running around. The look and feel of a game creates the atmosphere. It's very important.

    THe Queen in ESO was someone to care, Queen Beckensale ! hehe, I think a lot people enjoy great npc story arcs if they engage and make the experience transactional meaning worth doing to see the outcome of that npc's fate.
    Kyleran
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  • Jaguaratron1Jaguaratron1 Member UncommonPosts: 299
    That will solve the terrible combat, AI, PVP and codebase......

    If only it was possible to make a female character in New World who didnt look like they fell out of the ugly tree hitting every branch on the way down....
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,439
    edited March 2023

    Asm0deus said:


    Qbertq said:

    .....snip...







    Of course people care. Maybe not individually, but the graphics and characters and terrain and buildings..... create the atmosphere for the game. Otherwise, you could just have boxes running around. The look and feel of a game creates the atmosphere. It's very important.



    Do you even play NW?  I think not.

     I mean there's not like that many npc anyways...so yeah ofc people care in the some sense but not in the sense this article is talking about...

    Our own avatars are more important than the npc in NW by far so yeah my statement stands, no on in NW really cares about the npc and care far more about their own avatars.

    Stop being ridiculous man this whole article is a damned joke...our avatars and the stumpy cross dressed "females" in it ruin any kind of atmosphere npc's can add by far...lol

    I love immersion I got a ton of immersion mods in my current game of cyberpunk 2077 however in NW there's no point cause of the shitty character creation as it kills immersion far too much for any kind of npc immersion to matter.


    I don't play either and I care! The idea that NPCs do not matter in a MMORPG, what planet are you playing on? I understand you dislike the avatar creation system and from what you have said it is not good, but the NPC's are quite separate from that and you are conflating the two elements of gameplay together.

    I agree that your avatars are more important than the NPCs as you will see more of them about and for the sake of immersion you need to be comfortable in your skin as it were. But being dismissive about something a MMO is doing well just because you have beef about another area goes too far.
    Asm0deus
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,439
    One thing that did concern me is the staff that they got together to discuss creating female characters in the game. There was a game designer and two who work on concept art, where were the writers? This idea that studios now have that "the tea boy" (from an old MMORPG.com article) can do the writing if need be leads to very generic copy and paste quests and NPC's. You need great writing to make a great MMO.
  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618
    edited March 2023
    Scot said:

    ...snip...

    I don't play either and I care! The idea that NPCs do not matter in a MMORPG, what planet are you playing on? I understand you dislike the avatar creation system and from what you have said it is not good, but the NPC's are quite separate from that and you are conflating the two elements of gameplay together.

    I agree that your avatars are more important than the NPCs as you will see more of them about and for the sake of immersion you need to be comfortable in your skin as it were. But being dismissive about something a MMO is doing well just because you have beef about another area goes too far.

    You're talking out of ignorance here.

    You guys are acting like I'm an idiot that doesn't know what you are saying and while yes npc's do matter usually in games in NW they are not so important as beyond the leveling process they don't really matter and you don't really interact with any.



    I'm sorry but your both talking out your arses in this case and I am not "conflating" anything.

    This article is giving a truly wrong impression and is just AGS trying to boast about an aspect of the game that in reality sucks bad.

    Before you accuse me of being on another planet kindly get your feet out of your mouth and maybe know wtf you are talking about cause, "I don't play either and I care!" is making you both just look plain stupid in this case.

    I bet you didn't even know when you go to the trading house there isn't even an npc...just a empty counter.....


    :D







    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • ashiru_1978ashiru_1978 Member RarePosts: 818

    Kappadonna said:

    Females? In New World? Please.... My Steam review centered around the matter, written sometime last year:



    The character creation system in itself is laughable, and a complete pandering to the modern American PC culture, where every issue and topic relates to some faux-social movement. In this brave New World, women don't resemble women but men. There exists no method, magical or otherwise, to create an even marginally attractive female character because the game developers designed their female models androgynous to the effect that "sexualization" was never in question (because, as we know, there are no good looking people in real life, therefore there can't be in a video game either). No one asked for Korean Black Desert-esque characters; but some of us would like to create an appealing fictional fantasy character, given this is a fictional fantasy setting. Guess that is asking too much from a game in the Deplorable Year of 2022.





    I thought the game didn't have genders, after all it's made by progressives from the distant future where everyone is born in a jar with no belly button and pink hair.
    ScotKyleran
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,439
    edited March 2023

    Asm0deus said:


    Scot said:


    ...snip...


    I don't play either and I care! The idea that NPCs do not matter in a MMORPG, what planet are you playing on? I understand you dislike the avatar creation system and from what you have said it is not good, but the NPC's are quite separate from that and you are conflating the two elements of gameplay together.



    I agree that your avatars are more important than the NPCs as you will see more of them about and for the sake of immersion you need to be comfortable in your skin as it were. But being dismissive about something a MMO is doing well just because you have beef about another area goes too far.



    You're talking out of ignorance here.

    You guys are acting like I'm an idiot that doesn't know what you are saying and while yes npc's do matter usually in games in NW they are not so important as beyond the leveling process they don't really matter and you don't really interact with any.



    I'm sorry but your both talking out your arses in this case and I am not "conflating" anything.

    This article is giving a truly wrong impression and is just AGS trying to boast about an aspect of the game that in reality sucks bad.

    Before you accuse me of being on another planet kindly get your feet out of you mouth and maybe know wtf you are talking about cause, "I don't play either and I care!" is making you both just look plain stupid in this case.

    I bet you didn't even know when you go to the trading house there isn't even an npc...just a empty counter.....


    :D





    How has anyone given the impression we think you are an idiot? You have come across as a fan who is angry amount elements of the game, that's all. You mentioned seeing less NPCs as you get to top level, well that does happen in MMOs, it depends on what the "end game" is. But from what you have said that is rather marked in NW, the idea of just clicking on a counter to trade is rather odd.

    I do find it strange that you feel we need to be in game to care about this. If someone raises an issue from PvP to graphics of course we care. The standard of any element of a MMO reflects on all MMOs and any MMOs to come. It is in all our interests that those standards are high.
  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618
    edited March 2023
    Scot said:

    Asm0deus said:


    Scot said:


    ...snip...


    I don't play either and I care! The idea that NPCs do not matter in a MMORPG, what planet are you playing on? I understand you dislike the avatar creation system and from what you have said it is not good, but the NPC's are quite separate from that and you are conflating the two elements of gameplay together.



    I agree that your avatars are more important than the NPCs as you will see more of them about and for the sake of immersion you need to be comfortable in your skin as it were. But being dismissive about something a MMO is doing well just because you have beef about another area goes too far.



    You're talking out of ignorance here.

    You guys are acting like I'm an idiot that doesn't know what you are saying and while yes npc's do matter usually in games in NW they are not so important as beyond the leveling process they don't really matter and you don't really interact with any.



    I'm sorry but your both talking out your arses in this case and I am not "conflating" anything.

    This article is giving a truly wrong impression and is just AGS trying to boast about an aspect of the game that in reality sucks bad.

    Before you accuse me of being on another planet kindly get your feet out of you mouth and maybe know wtf you are talking about cause, "I don't play either and I care!" is making you both just look plain stupid in this case.

    I bet you didn't even know when you go to the trading house there isn't even an npc...just a empty counter.....


    :D





    How has anyone given the impression we think you are an idiot? You have come across as a fan who is angry amount elements of the game, that's all. You mentioned seeing less NPCs as you get to top level, well that does happen in MMOs, it depends on what the "end game" is. But from what you have said that is rather marked in NW, the idea of just clicking on a counter to trade is rather odd.

    I do find it strange that you feel we need to be in game to care about this. If someone raises an issue from PvP to graphics of course we care. The standard of any element of a MMO reflects on all MMOs and any MMOs to come. It is in all our interests that those standards are high.

    Fairly simple I proceeded to explain through first hand knowledge of the game that this is just AGS chest thumping about how great something is that is in reality suck arse and badly done and gave the character creation as a prime example.

    I got herpy derpy replies from a couple peeps in here that dont play the game confusing it with some other games in general even trying to "expert splain" to me how important npc are for immersion etc etc bla bla all the while missing my point even though you both do not actually play the game as you at least have admitted...


    Btw I am not angry I just found the article highly funny and ironic but what's even funnier is some of you are believing the crap being spouted in it..lol


    It's like when AGS in a dev talk claims OMG we heard you loud and clear you want more content so here's......leaderboards!

    How amazeballs are we?!?!?!!!!!!


    You claim, "The standard of any element of a MMO reflects on all MMOs and any MMOs to come. It is in all our interests that those standards are high."

    I am telling you straight up the npc element is bad, or really really low quality and as bad as the character creation and skins are.


    Someone claims they cheat with the female npc's, in the first few posts, but that's just saying instead of all of em being totally horrid like CC it just really, really sucky.



    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,439
    edited March 2023

    Asm0deus said:


    Scot said:



    Asm0deus said:




    Scot said:



    ...snip...



    I don't play either and I care! The idea that NPCs do not matter in a MMORPG, what planet are you playing on? I understand you dislike the avatar creation system and from what you have said it is not good, but the NPC's are quite separate from that and you are conflating the two elements of gameplay together.





    I agree that your avatars are more important than the NPCs as you will see more of them about and for the sake of immersion you need to be comfortable in your skin as it were. But being dismissive about something a MMO is doing well just because you have beef about another area goes too far.





    You're talking out of ignorance here.

    You guys are acting like I'm an idiot that doesn't know what you are saying and while yes npc's do matter usually in games in NW they are not so important as beyond the leveling process they don't really matter and you don't really interact with any.



    I'm sorry but your both talking out your arses in this case and I am not "conflating" anything.

    This article is giving a truly wrong impression and is just AGS trying to boast about an aspect of the game that in reality sucks bad.

    Before you accuse me of being on another planet kindly get your feet out of you mouth and maybe know wtf you are talking about cause, "I don't play either and I care!" is making you both just look plain stupid in this case.

    I bet you didn't even know when you go to the trading house there isn't even an npc...just a empty counter.....


    :D








    How has anyone given the impression we think you are an idiot? You have come across as a fan who is angry amount elements of the game, that's all. You mentioned seeing less NPCs as you get to top level, well that does happen in MMOs, it depends on what the "end game" is. But from what you have said that is rather marked in NW, the idea of just clicking on a counter to trade is rather odd.



    I do find it strange that you feel we need to be in game to care about this. If someone raises an issue from PvP to graphics of course we care. The standard of any element of a MMO reflects on all MMOs and any MMOs to come. It is in all our interests that those standards are high.



    Fairly simple I proceeded to explain through first hand knowledge of the game that this is just AGS chest thumping about how great something is that is in reality suck arse and badly done and gave the character creation as a prime example.

    I got herpy derpy replies from a couple peeps in here that dont play the game confusing it with some other games in general even trying to "expert splain" to me how important npc are for immersion etc etc bla bla all the while missing my point even though you both do not actually play the game as you at least have admitted...


    Btw I am not angry I just found the article highly funny and ironic but what's even funnier is some of you are believing the crap being spouted in it..lol


    It's like when AGS in a dev talk claims OMG we heard you loud and clear you want more content so here's......leaderboards!

    How amazeballs are we?!?!?!!!!!!









    I am feeling like a broken record here, of course we respect the opinions of players who are in a game, but you made a statement that generalised about all npcs in all MMOs, or that's how it seemed to us anyway. I don't get the "expert splain" idea either, any gamer can have an opinion and if someone had not even played a MMO I would be interested to hear what they had to say.

    Also I don't see this as an attempt by AGS to mask their problems, but I can see how you might regard the Leader Boards in that light. This is a "postive women" news story, that's why they put it out, the idea it could be a cover for avatar issues is a huge reach. But the leader boards were questioned on here, I hoped they might engender competition, but clearly they were not on the top of anyone's wish list, playing or not.
  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618
    edited March 2023
    Scot said:

    Asm0deus said:

    ...snip....





    ...snip....

    you made a statemenut t that generalised about all npcs in all MMOs, or that's how it seemed to us anyway.

    ...snip...


    Absolutely not.

    I was very clearly talking about NW and NW only, I never mentioned other games and even went so far as to use NW CC as a prime example.

    Th expert splaining came from you two taking my comments about NW and trying to apply them to mmo's in general like I am some snot nosed toddler that never played other games or mmos and as if my words were about  mmo or games in general.

    I was not, I was very clearly talking about NW, about how the NW devs like to chest thump about things that are frankly laughable in NW especially when compared to other games.

    Don't put words in my mouth nor try to tell me it was confusing, you both thought to be cute and snarky and failed.



    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,439
    edited March 2023
    Asm0deus said:
    Scot said:

    Asm0deus said:

    ...snip....





    ...snip....

    you made a statemenut t that generalised about all npcs in all MMOs, or that's how it seemed to us anyway.

    ...snip...


    Absolutely not.

    I was very clearly talking about NW and NW only, I never mentioned other games and even went so far as to use NW CC as a prime example.

    Th expert splaining came from you two taking my comments about NW and trying to apply them to mmo's in general like I am some snot nosed toddler that never played other games or mmos and as if I my words were about  mmo or games in general.

    I was not, I was very clearly talking about NW, about how the NW devs like to chest thump about things that are frankly laughable in NW especially when compared to other games.

    Don't put words in my mouth nor try to tell me it was confusing, you both thought to be cute and snarky and failed.
    I genuinely thought that was a statement about MMOs in general, we have all types on here and they can dismiss any element from MMOs as being important, from the graphics to the PvP to grouping. You struck me as a solo type who never interacts much so the NPCs were unimportant. I don't see anyone on this thread as coming across as an expert, having an opinion does not make you an expert or make you sound like one.

    I was certainly not trying to be cute or snarky, I don't recognise that characterisation at all, also my posts about the NPCs have not even been particularly supportive of NW, just supportive of NPCS in a MMO. We have ding donged for a few posts now, I will agree to differ.
  • XNL00XNL00 Newbie CommonPosts: 10
    Female character? Body type B my friend.
    LTBK
  • caalemcaalem Member UncommonPosts: 312
    Is this a joke? I can't remember a single NPC from my time playing the game. 
    I've played MUDs with more memorable NPCs than this game.
    IselinAsm0deusLTBKIosevus
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    caalem said:
    Is this a joke? I can't remember a single NPC from my time playing the game. 
    I've played MUDs with more memorable NPCs than this game.
    Really? You don't remember Yonas or Grace O'Malley? How about Imhotep or Cleopatra?
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  • theGnadetheGnade Member UncommonPosts: 147
    edited March 2023
    Only char I remember is the first guy who got turned into bad guy. But no idea what was his deal as the game was too boring and shallow.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,060
    All this talk about NW not having proper female avatar's confuses me.

    My granddaughters were watching me play on my alt this weekend and asked (again) why I always play "girl" characters, so clearly the 9 yrs could discern.

    (Told them I don't "always" play female avatars, just mostly). :)



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