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System · January 8

The US Department of Defense Claims Tencent Is Giving China Military, Defense Assets | MMORPG.com

A new government notice lists media and technology corporation Tencent as a 'Chinese Military company'

Vercin · January 8

Buying avacados fuels cartels. It's a huge market.
Are my tax dollars going to fund illegal and unconstitutional American program? Goddamn right they are.

Slapshot1188 · January 8

You literally asked us to dive into a political question... so this one is on YOU mmorpg.com!

The Defense Department absolutely knows that no Chinese company is exempt from The National Intelligence Law which requires that all Chinese businesses and citizens operating overseas including in the United States must gather sensitive information from host countries and their companies and to provide it to the Chinese Government.

This is, quite literally, the purpose of the National Intelligence Law. The usual way companies try and pacify us is by claiming that some of their subsidiaries are not directly controlled by this law, but I think anyone with a modicum of the way things work understands that is just smoke and mirrors.

Now, that said... the timing of this is of course politics on the US side. I can assure you that the DoD had this same understanding of Tencent 6 months ago, or 2 years ago... but it's being announced NOW because the current US administration is ending and a new one takes over in less than 2 weeks.

cheezyweasel · January 8

Alright fine! I'll buy poe2 early access, sheesh!

LTBK · January 8

I'm not going to defend China (or more specifically the CCP), but I'm not that naive to not be aware that the US does the same things under the table in the name of "keeping the country safe," like when they spied on EU officials. And Europe wants to do similar things with stuff like removing End-to-End encryption "for the people's security." But that's what we know about because it was leaked, so we can only guess what's actually being done. Yet somehow, despite our very own governments doing these things, the danger is always China, and only China. Press (X) to doubt.

It's not as if everyone is just looking after their own interests at the expense of everyone else's, allies included. However, it's always easier and convenient to point at an external enemy to keep people distracted from what you're doing yourself.

There's also the point of the timing, but someone already talked about that and I agree.

Anyway, in other news, the sky is blue.

mitech616 · January 8

Put this in the, "Yea, and...?" Category.

Ginaz · January 8

LTBK said:

I'm not going to defend China (or more specifically the CCP), but I'm not that naive to not be aware that the US does the same things under the table in the name of "keeping the country safe," like when they spied on EU officials. And Europe wants to do similar things with stuff like removing End-to-End encryption "for the people's security." But that's what we know about because it was leaked, so we can only guess what's actually being done. Yet somehow, despite our very own governments doing these things, the danger is always China, and only China. Press (X) to doubt.

It's not as if everyone is just looking after their own interests at the expense of everyone else's, allies included. However, it's always easier and convenient to point at an external enemy to keep people distracted from what you're doing yourself.

There's also the point of the timing, but someone already talked about that and I agree.

Anyway, in other news, the sky is blue.

The US doesn't put people in jail for wearing a Winnie the Pooh t-shirt. There's no moral equivalency.

Abimor · January 8

LTBK said:

I'm not going to defend China (or more specifically the CCP), but I'm not that naive to not be aware that the US does the same things under the table in the name of "keeping the country safe," like when they spied on EU officials. And Europe wants to do similar things with stuff like removing End-to-End encryption "for the people's security." But that's what we know about because it was leaked, so we can only guess what's actually being done. Yet somehow, despite our very own governments doing these things, the danger is always China, and only China. Press (X) to doubt.

It's not as if everyone is just looking after their own interests at the expense of everyone else's, allies included. However, it's always easier and convenient to point at an external enemy to keep people distracted from what you're doing yourself.

There's also the point of the timing, but someone already talked about that and I agree.

Anyway, in other news, the sky is blue.

I mean does the us spy on people? Sure, but does apple unlock peoples phones for the fbi? They don't and they don't have too everything a chinese company knows about you has to be turned over to the ccp. Its not like they have disappeared rich business owners or tennis players or basically anyone else who falls out of favor. To be open and fair the us has held a large number of people at gitmo without trying them for a long time but those are terrorist who killed people not a game company owner who criticized the ccp.
The only thing even close to that here is the going after trump one party did it and they just got swept out of office. so people in the us have recourse if they don't like it. In places like china or north korea or russia you go to a "penal colony" or "reeducation camp" and may never be heard from again. So, ya your right the ccp is looking out for their best interest but not really in the same way.

Asm0deus · January 8

Ginaz said:

LTBK said:

I'm not going to defend China (or more specifically the CCP), but I'm not that naive to not be aware that the US does the same things under the table in the name of "keeping the country safe," like when they spied on EU officials. And Europe wants to do similar things with stuff like removing End-to-End encryption "for the people's security." But that's what we know about because it was leaked, so we can only guess what's actually being done. Yet somehow, despite our very own governments doing these things, the danger is always China, and only China. Press (X) to doubt.

It's not as if everyone is just looking after their own interests at the expense of everyone else's, allies included. However, it's always easier and convenient to point at an external enemy to keep people distracted from what you're doing yourself.

There's also the point of the timing, but someone already talked about that and I agree.

Anyway, in other news, the sky is blue.

The US doesn't put people in jail for wearing a Winnie the Pooh t-shirt. There's no moral equivalency.

Exactly this as far as I am aware we dont have reeducation camps etc etc

Digdugger · January 8

lol, The DoD is a bit late to the ballgame.

sweetdreams · January 8

China would never do such a thing. Grass is artificial by the way and we live on a flat triangle planet.

ZenJelly · January 8

Ohh nooo ?

waveslayer · January 8

sweetdreams said:

China would never do such a thing. Grass is artificial by the way and we live on a flat triangle planet.

Well go down here to our local NFL stadium and the grass is artificial.

If this claim is real it wouldnt surprise me, but on the other hand if a competator of tencent from anywhere in the world paid(in the US bribery is called lobbying) the correct politician enough money they can get them on that list, thats a very real problem in the US

Kelador · January 8

So you saying the tax companies and people pay in the UK, US, EU etc are not used to fund weapons, military activities local and abroad? Last I check it was.

Wargfoot · January 8

This is why I never tell Chinese jokes in game chat.

LTBK · January 8

Ginaz said:

LTBK said:

I'm not going to defend China (or more specifically the CCP), but I'm not that naive to not be aware that the US does the same things under the table in the name of "keeping the country safe," like when they spied on EU officials. And Europe wants to do similar things with stuff like removing End-to-End encryption "for the people's security." But that's what we know about because it was leaked, so we can only guess what's actually being done. Yet somehow, despite our very own governments doing these things, the danger is always China, and only China. Press (X) to doubt.

It's not as if everyone is just looking after their own interests at the expense of everyone else's, allies included. However, it's always easier and convenient to point at an external enemy to keep people distracted from what you're doing yourself.

There's also the point of the timing, but someone already talked about that and I agree.

Anyway, in other news, the sky is blue.

The US doesn't put people in jail for wearing a Winnie the Pooh t-shirt. There's no moral equivalency.

Let's not ignore the context, please. We're talking about spying on other countries and how that's not news, not about the rest of the awful sh** that China does.

Abimor said:

LTBK said:

I'm not going to defend China (or more specifically the CCP), but I'm not that naive to not be aware that the US does the same things under the table in the name of "keeping the country safe," like when they spied on EU officials. And Europe wants to do similar things with stuff like removing End-to-End encryption "for the people's security." But that's what we know about because it was leaked, so we can only guess what's actually being done. Yet somehow, despite our very own governments doing these things, the danger is always China, and only China. Press (X) to doubt.

It's not as if everyone is just looking after their own interests at the expense of everyone else's, allies included. However, it's always easier and convenient to point at an external enemy to keep people distracted from what you're doing yourself.

There's also the point of the timing, but someone already talked about that and I agree.

Anyway, in other news, the sky is blue.

I mean does the us spy on people? Sure, but does apple unlock peoples phones for the fbi? They don't and they don't have too everything a chinese company knows about you has to be turned over to the ccp. Its not like they have disappeared rich business owners or tennis players or basically anyone else who falls out of favor. To be open and fair the us has held a large number of people at gitmo without trying them for a long time but those are terrorist who killed people not a game company owner who criticized the ccp.
The only thing even close to that here is the going after trump one party did it and they just got swept out of office. so people in the us have recourse if they don't like it. In places like china or north korea or russia you go to a "penal colony" or "reeducation camp" and may never be heard from again. So, ya your right the ccp is looking out for their best interest but not really in the same way.

As I said, I was talking specifically about how everyone spies on everyone else, and how no one should be surprised that China also does the same. Especially since that happens even between allies. And yes, there was that leak about the NSA making Microsoft leave backdoors in Windows for their use, for example, or how they handed them user information too. As I said, you can only guess about what they actually do that hasn't been leaked. So, saving the very obvious distances in regards to individual rights, on this specific context everyone is as dangerous as the rest.

Aeander · January 8

This is just their excuse to ban League of Legends.

Which, you know, fair enough, actually.

Slapshot1188 · January 8

LTBK said:

Ginaz said:

LTBK said:

I'm not going to defend China (or more specifically the CCP), but I'm not that naive to not be aware that the US does the same things under the table in the name of "keeping the country safe," like when they spied on EU officials. And Europe wants to do similar things with stuff like removing End-to-End encryption "for the people's security." But that's what we know about because it was leaked, so we can only guess what's actually being done. Yet somehow, despite our very own governments doing these things, the danger is always China, and only China. Press (X) to doubt.

It's not as if everyone is just looking after their own interests at the expense of everyone else's, allies included. However, it's always easier and convenient to point at an external enemy to keep people distracted from what you're doing yourself.

There's also the point of the timing, but someone already talked about that and I agree.

Anyway, in other news, the sky is blue.

The US doesn't put people in jail for wearing a Winnie the Pooh t-shirt. There's no moral equivalency.

Let's not ignore the context, please. We're talking about spying on other countries and how that's not news, not about the rest of the awful sh** that China does.

Abimor said:

LTBK said:

I'm not going to defend China (or more specifically the CCP), but I'm not that naive to not be aware that the US does the same things under the table in the name of "keeping the country safe," like when they spied on EU officials. And Europe wants to do similar things with stuff like removing End-to-End encryption "for the people's security." But that's what we know about because it was leaked, so we can only guess what's actually being done. Yet somehow, despite our very own governments doing these things, the danger is always China, and only China. Press (X) to doubt.

It's not as if everyone is just looking after their own interests at the expense of everyone else's, allies included. However, it's always easier and convenient to point at an external enemy to keep people distracted from what you're doing yourself.

There's also the point of the timing, but someone already talked about that and I agree.

Anyway, in other news, the sky is blue.

I mean does the us spy on people? Sure, but does apple unlock peoples phones for the fbi? They don't and they don't have too everything a chinese company knows about you has to be turned over to the ccp. Its not like they have disappeared rich business owners or tennis players or basically anyone else who falls out of favor. To be open and fair the us has held a large number of people at gitmo without trying them for a long time but those are terrorist who killed people not a game company owner who criticized the ccp.
The only thing even close to that here is the going after trump one party did it and they just got swept out of office. so people in the us have recourse if they don't like it. In places like china or north korea or russia you go to a "penal colony" or "reeducation camp" and may never be heard from again. So, ya your right the ccp is looking out for their best interest but not really in the same way.

As I said, I was talking specifically about how everyone spies on everyone else, and how no one should be surprised that China also does the same. Especially since that happens even between allies. And yes, there was that leak about the NSA making Microsoft leave backdoors in Windows for their use, for example, or how they handed them user information too. As I said, you can only guess about what they actually do that hasn't been leaked. So, saving the very obvious distances in regards to individual rights, on this specific context everyone is as dangerous as the rest.

Even assuming what you say is right. Is it not prudent for a country to take steps to prevent spying and data collection on its citizens by a hostile foreign power? I mean, this just seems like basic stuff.

Wargfoot · January 8

LTBK said:
As I said, I was talking specifically about how everyone spies on everyone else, and how no one should be surprised that China also does the same. Especially since that happens even between allies. And yes, there was that leak about the NSA making Microsoft leave backdoors in Windows for their use, for example, or how they handed them user information too. As I said, you can only guess about what they actually do that hasn't been leaked. So, saving the very obvious distances in regards to individual rights, on this specific context everyone is as dangerous as the rest.

If you could please pull forward in your chair a little bit, you're currently off camera for me.

olepi · January 8

I remember seeing "Free Jonathan Pollard!" posters when I was working in Israel.

It took me a minute to remember that Jonathan Pollard was in a US jail for spying on the US for Israel. Gave me an odd feeling.

At this point, you have to assume that all of your internet activities and all of your credit/debit card transactions are being tracked. Your vehicle movements, the location of your cellphone, and the data from any Ring cameras and Siri type assistants is tracked.

China has hundreds of millions of cameras that do face recognition and traffic identification, they want to track you all the time.

Angrakhan · January 8

Mmm. As stated being on the list doesn't prevent Tencent from doing business in the US. I view this mostly like the warning label on a pack of cigarettes. "WARNING: SOME AMOUNT OF THE PROFITS MADE BY THIS COMPANY GO TO FUNDING CHINESE MILITARY AND ESPIONAGE EFFORTS". I mean that's not wrong. Now you can decide if you want to do business with them or not. By the way some amount of the profits made by American companies goes to funding American military and espionage efforts.

I paid for PoE2 early access. I don't feel like I'm a traitor to my country. Your mileage may vary.

Wargfoot · January 8

I hope this doesn't result in forced PvP.

Slapshot1188 · January 8

Wargfoot said:

I hope this doesn't result in forced PvP.

-50dkp... I mean -50 points to your social credit score.

olepi · January 8

Anyone remember this?

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dirtyside · January 8

and GTA 6 is still not released ...... who cares is my point

Theocritus · January 8

Where is all the money Tik Tok is making going to? Formats like that can turn the youth against the US government in a heartbeat.

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