Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by Malickiebloo Originally posted by Shayde Mackie.. you really don't know about DVD's and HDTV that much.
Even the lowliest film released on DVD allows for animorphic widescreen. It actually lets the widescreen fill the HDTV. It would have taken a PITTANCE for them to run it through animorphic rendering.. hell they could probably have a intern on the ranch do it.
But they're lying on the "we just took the transfer" bit from the lasers. The laserdisks had THX quality sound (the eqilivant at the time)... this disk had TWO channel stereo. I have the DVD rips of the laserdisks and it has better sound than 2 channel stereo.
They first marketed it as "What the old-school fan was dying for!" Now they don't even GIVE US A REASON to not use the freaking VHS tapes I still have.
That might be because the subject doesn't interest me what so ever . I hardly watch TV or Movies I would rather read or play music . And I still use VHS as my primary movie player . DVD is way to digital for me . Thanks for noticing though .
Want any VHS tapes? I'm selling all mine in the garage sale. Except for the original tapes of the trilogy... that may finally be our only record that Lucas was sane... once.
HAH believe me , My wife has enough VHS to open up her own blockbuster lol
Babe.. Just think of it. Get a DVD burner/VHS hookup and transfer all that to DVD. Now 100 tapes fit in a space the size of a 100 disk DVD spindle!
It might just double your living space!
LOL Don't ask me , She has an obsession with Movies . I tried to get rid of some a few years ago and she Fliiped the **** out . Most of them are boxed away yet still can't get rid of em
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I wish VHS's wernt replaced, or at least not like they have been. VHS tapes can last forever if you take care of them properly, same can be said for DVD's but you know what I mean. DVD's are to fragile.
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Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by Nikoz78 Han shot first, he was a cold blooded killer.. thats what made his heroic acts at the end of episode 4 so dramatic.
It was flipping SELF DEFENSE. Greedo had a blaster AIMED straight at him telling him he's coming dead or alive.. and he might just take his ship... and I paraphraze...
In this version the word "Wookie" has been changed to "Hair challenged animal" and the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks.
Without getting too involved in this, forget the reason behind it. How about that it was a professional bounty hunter missing him from across the table. From that distance he could have thrown the gun at him and hit.
@jrgambit What I was referring to was the special edition (I think, too many to keep track of) that adds this long song and dance musical number to inside Jabba's palace for no reason other then to advertise his graphics company. Rancor's still a clay model but hey, now I have a song and dance.
Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by Nikoz78 Han shot first, he was a cold blooded killer.. thats what made his heroic acts at the end of episode 4 so dramatic.
It was flipping SELF DEFENSE. Greedo had a blaster AIMED straight at him telling him he's coming dead or alive.. and he might just take his ship... and I paraphraze...
Gredo :"I may even take your ship" Han: "Over my dead body" Greedo: "Sounds like a good idea."
I thought Han even showed restraint. I'd have shot him first.. second.. third and maybe even did a little dance afterwards. "How ya like me NOW you green bitch???" probably wouldn't have gotten PG back then.
From Wikipedia: "Lucas explains that the change was made because he felt that Han Solo would never shoot another in "cold blood." Many fans find this comment puzzling, since it seems common sense that a person who has a gun pointed at them with threat to kill is justified in acting in self-defense. Also, the change is out of line with the other changes in the special edition in that the other changes were made because Lucas lacked the technical or financial capabilities. When originally filming the scene, Lucas could easily have had Greedo shoot first if that's what he had wanted at the time. This indicates that Lucas apparently merely changed his mind about Han's character."
My comment was based on what George Lucas himself said of the sceen. Han did not even blink after. Of course it's self defence. The point however is here we see Han Solo much like a Clint Eastwood type. Even the coin toss to the bartender (Wuher) attests to this. Han was a harsh character: "I'm not in this for your revolution Princess, I'm in it for the money. I expect to be well paid." He was a badass.
From what we know of Hans character from Episode IV intil the conclusion of the film, is that Han is anything but a hero (more like an anti-hero, a pirate). My point is that by altering the sceen with Greedo, Lucas took much of the impact away from Solo's ultimate redemption. That was the drama. He went from that (a gunslinging outlaw) to a intergalactic hero?
"Sorry about the mess." Indeed!
Ofcourse if you read the Star Wars fiction (Expanded Universe), you'll know that Han was at one point an Imperial officer. He whitnessed wookie slaves being executed by the Empire. He interviened and ended up saving a 200 year old wookie named Chewbacca. This in turn caused Han to receive a dishonorable discharge from the Imperial Navy. Chewie then swore a "Lifedebt" to Han (a wookie tradition) for saving his life. Ofcourse, we did not know any of this when we first met Han in Episode IV.
By the way, the correct quote is not.. Greedo: "Sounds like a good idea," it's "That's the idea."
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
Can't seem to find any information about outtakes/cutsceens on these new DVD's. If this new DVD set has all the orginal triolgy outtakes, I'm in. But this DVD is insulting to SW fans anyhow.
Lucas should give us what we want, and then some. Why not release the original cut of the three films, update the sound in THX, clean up the prints, anamorphic widescreen, etc. Even more, why not go back and clean up the outtakes, add sound effects and music, then even let us add these cutsceens back in if we want? Like the old Biggs Darklighter sceens. Why not give us fans the ultimate experience?
Lucas added the cutsceens to the DVD's for Episodes I-III, he even finished the bluescreen shots, added music, sound effects etc. And these were just outtakes he did not even use in his films! But still he goes and completes them to add as a bonus on those DVD's.
Damn, it's hard to be a Star Wars fan these days. SWG, the new SW films... when will this new "dark period" end? I thought the period from 1987-91 was the darkest time for Star wars fans... wrong.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
By the way, the correct quote is not.. Greedo: "Sounds like a good idea," it's "That's the idea."
Hey.. I'm no Ubargeek... Never claimed 100% accuracy.
But hell.. I'd accept his "new" versions if HAN WOULD SHOOT FIRST. That was the 100% dumbest idea Lucas has ever had.
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Aside from the original nailing of Greedo by Han Solo in the Cantina. There is really little in the old New Hope that was not made better by the update ( Man remember the lines the second time around , SOE thought that they would get the same thing with the NGE - Muhahahaha - Not).
I too would accept the new versions. But it is more than just the Greedo sceen (the worst change).
What about how Lucas changed the dramatic music when the X-Wing's move in to assault the first Death Star in Episode IV? "I'm gonna cut across their axis and try to drawl their fire," then the wide shot of the fighters going in... they took out that dramatic were-going-in music. Brainless!
Empire was mostly unharmed by the changes, but Jedi is another story. The young Anakin ghost at the end instead of the old Anakin? Grrrr....
My advice would be download a bit torrent of the last & best original Star Wars released (VHS, 1995). You get it in widescreen, THX, original cut. It looks good. Then just burn it to DVD and watch it on your TV.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
Perhaps the most amusing thing about "Han Shot First" is that Greedo, less than 1 meter away from his target, pointing a pistol dead on, missed. Now, Minutes Of Angle (wiki) is a 100 yard calculation (~1 inch at 100yds), but at the range of 1m, he totally missed by an impressive 40-50 MOA. WTF! Really, how big of a n00b was Greedo anyway?
Anyhow thanks to the OP for the heads up. Won't be buying this crap if that's the case. I figured there were going to be issues with it since good ol Lucas was re-re-releasing the special editions alongside the theatrical versions.
-- xpaladin
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Thanks for the info, now I know for sure I'm not getting this garbage. I already have the bootleg transfer, at least I won't be putting any more money in Fatneck the Hutt's pockets.
Lucas's "artistic vision" means crap to me. That man hasn't had an artistic bone in his body since he finished ROTJ. Shove the pre-quals and the special olympic editions Fatneck!
I listened to Gabriel with increasing disbelief. I'd heard, as I think everyone did, that the original - by which I mean the original original - Star Wars trilogy was coming to DVD. What I had not heard, and what Gabriel intimated to me with his eyes wide was that these would not be from the scrubbed, manicured footage they used to make the re-imaginings, they would, in fact, be anamorphic rips from old laserdiscs. What's more, they can't even be purchased separately. They can only be purchased with the newer versions, together, for ninety dollars! Ha!
Clearly, the original trilogy can't be put in a position where it can outsell the new one - that's just not going to happen, so those two things must be in a statistically coherent package. But as to why the original movies can't even be seen in their original format, it's actually been claimed that George Lucas (in a manner of speaking) "taped over" the classic trilogy. That terminology was a little too good to pass up.
I was unable to bring up the newest comic, so I can't wait to see what it is about, though I can imagine.
Originally posted by KenshuAni From Penny Arcade: I listened to Gabriel with increasing disbelief. I'd heard, as I think everyone did, that the original - by which I mean the original original - Star Wars trilogy was coming to DVD. What I had not heard, and what Gabriel intimated to me with his eyes wide was that these would not be from the scrubbed, manicured footage they used to make the re-imaginings, they would, in fact, be anamorphic rips from old laserdiscs. What's more, they can't even be purchased separately. They can only be purchased with the newer versions, together, for ninety dollars! Ha! Clearly, the original trilogy can't be put in a position where it can outsell the new one - that's just not going to happen, so those two things must be in a statistically coherent package. But as to why the original movies can't even be seen in their original format, it's actually been claimed that George Lucas (in a manner of speaking) "taped over" the classic trilogy. That terminology was a little too good to pass up.
I was unable to bring up the newest comic, so I can't wait to see what it is about, though I can imagine.
Well damn. I think I'll have to bite the bullet on this one tho, I only own the VHS versions of the original and I don't own the laserdisc version. So, to preserve my VHS tapes, I think I'll have to buy the DVD edition they put out. Thanks Lucas
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Originally posted by voodookhan Originally posted by KenshuAni From Penny Arcade: I listened to Gabriel with increasing disbelief. I'd heard, as I think everyone did, that the original - by which I mean the original original - Star Wars trilogy was coming to DVD. What I had not heard, and what Gabriel intimated to me with his eyes wide was that these would not be from the scrubbed, manicured footage they used to make the re-imaginings, they would, in fact, be anamorphic rips from old laserdiscs. What's more, they can't even be purchased separately. They can only be purchased with the newer versions, together, for ninety dollars! Ha! Clearly, the original trilogy can't be put in a position where it can outsell the new one - that's just not going to happen, so those two things must be in a statistically coherent package. But as to why the original movies can't even be seen in their original format, it's actually been claimed that George Lucas (in a manner of speaking) "taped over" the classic trilogy. That terminology was a little too good to pass up.
I was unable to bring up the newest comic, so I can't wait to see what it is about, though I can imagine.
Well damn. I think I'll have to bite the bullet on this one tho, I only own the VHS versions of the original and I don't own the laserdisc version. So, to preserve my VHS tapes, I think I'll have to buy the DVD edition they put out. Thanks Lucas
Or spend a LOT less cash and find/d-load the Laserdisk rip.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
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Want any VHS tapes? I'm selling all mine in the garage sale. Except for the original tapes of the trilogy... that may finally be our only record that Lucas was sane... once.
HAH believe me , My wife has enough VHS to open up her own blockbuster lol
Babe.. Just think of it. Get a DVD burner/VHS hookup and transfer all that to DVD. Now 100 tapes fit in a space the size of a 100 disk DVD spindle!
It might just double your living space!
LOL Don't ask me , She has an obsession with Movies . I tried to get rid of some a few years ago and she Fliiped the **** out . Most of them are boxed away yet still can't get rid of em
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
In this version the word "Wookie" has been changed to "Hair challenged animal" and the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks.
Without getting too involved in this, forget the reason behind it. How about that it was a professional bounty hunter missing him from across the table. From that distance he could have thrown the gun at him and hit.
@jrgambit What I was referring to was the special edition (I think, too many to keep track of) that adds this long song and dance musical number to inside Jabba's palace for no reason other then to advertise his graphics company. Rancor's still a clay model but hey, now I have a song and dance.
Gredo :"I may even take your ship"
Han: "Over my dead body"
Greedo: "Sounds like a good idea."
I thought Han even showed restraint. I'd have shot him first.. second.. third and maybe even did a little dance afterwards. "How ya like me NOW you green bitch???" probably wouldn't have gotten PG back then.
From Wikipedia: "Lucas explains that the change was made because he felt that Han Solo
would never shoot another in "cold blood." Many fans find this comment
puzzling, since it seems common sense that a person who has a gun
pointed at them with threat to kill is justified in acting in
self-defense. Also, the change is out of line with the other changes in
the special edition in that the other changes were made because Lucas
lacked the technical or financial capabilities. When originally filming
the scene, Lucas could easily have had Greedo shoot first if that's
what he had wanted at the time. This indicates that Lucas apparently
merely changed his mind about Han's character."
My comment was based on what George Lucas himself said of the sceen. Han did not even blink after. Of course it's self defence. The point however is here we see Han Solo much like a Clint Eastwood type. Even the coin toss to the bartender (Wuher) attests to this. Han was a harsh character: "I'm not in this for your revolution Princess, I'm in it for the money. I expect to be well paid." He was a badass.
From what we know of Hans character from Episode IV intil the conclusion of the film, is that Han is anything but a hero (more like an anti-hero, a pirate). My point is that by altering the sceen with Greedo, Lucas took much of the impact away from Solo's ultimate redemption. That was the drama. He went from that (a gunslinging outlaw) to a intergalactic hero?
"Sorry about the mess." Indeed!
Ofcourse if you read the Star Wars fiction (Expanded Universe), you'll know that Han was at one point an Imperial officer. He whitnessed wookie slaves being executed by the Empire. He interviened and ended up saving a 200 year old wookie named Chewbacca. This in turn caused Han to receive a dishonorable discharge from the Imperial Navy. Chewie then swore a "Lifedebt" to Han (a wookie tradition) for saving his life. Ofcourse, we did not know any of this when we first met Han in Episode IV.
By the way, the correct quote is not.. Greedo: "Sounds like a good idea," it's "That's the idea."
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
Lucas should give us what we want, and then some. Why not release the original cut of the three films, update the sound in THX, clean up the prints, anamorphic widescreen, etc. Even more, why not go back and clean up the outtakes, add sound effects and music, then even let us add these cutsceens back in if we want? Like the old Biggs Darklighter sceens. Why not give us fans the ultimate experience?
Lucas added the cutsceens to the DVD's for Episodes I-III, he even finished the bluescreen shots, added music, sound effects etc. And these were just outtakes he did not even use in his films! But still he goes and completes them to add as a bonus on those DVD's.
Damn, it's hard to be a Star Wars fan these days. SWG, the new SW films... when will this new "dark period" end? I thought the period from 1987-91 was the darkest time for Star wars fans... wrong.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
But hell.. I'd accept his "new" versions if HAN WOULD SHOOT FIRST. That was the 100% dumbest idea Lucas has ever had.
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I too would accept the new versions. But it is more than just the Greedo sceen (the worst change).
What about how Lucas changed the dramatic music when the X-Wing's move in to assault the first Death Star in Episode IV? "I'm gonna cut across their axis and try to drawl their fire," then the wide shot of the fighters going in... they took out that dramatic were-going-in music. Brainless!
Empire was mostly unharmed by the changes, but Jedi is another story. The young Anakin ghost at the end instead of the old Anakin? Grrrr....
My advice would be download a bit torrent of the last & best original Star Wars released (VHS, 1995). You get it in widescreen, THX, original cut. It looks good. Then just burn it to DVD and watch it on your TV.
I miss the good ol' days when nerds were actually intelligent.
Anyhow thanks to the OP for the heads up. Won't be buying this crap if that's the case. I figured there were going to be issues with it since good ol Lucas was re-re-releasing the special editions alongside the theatrical versions.
-- xpaladin
[MMOz]
AC1/2, AO, DAoC, EQ1/2, SoR, SWG, UO, WAR, WoW
Lucas's "artistic vision" means crap to me. That man hasn't had an artistic bone in his body since he finished ROTJ.
Shove the pre-quals and the special olympic editions Fatneck!
From Penny Arcade:
I was unable to bring up the newest comic, so I can't wait to see what it is about, though I can imagine.
I was unable to bring up the newest comic, so I can't wait to see what it is about, though I can imagine.
Well damn. I think I'll have to bite the bullet on this one tho, I only own the VHS versions of the original and I don't own the laserdisc version. So, to preserve my VHS tapes, I think I'll have to buy the DVD edition they put out. Thanks Lucas
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I was unable to bring up the newest comic, so I can't wait to see what it is about, though I can imagine.
Well damn. I think I'll have to bite the bullet on this one tho, I only own the VHS versions of the original and I don't own the laserdisc version. So, to preserve my VHS tapes, I think I'll have to buy the DVD edition they put out. Thanks Lucas
Or spend a LOT less cash and find/d-load the Laserdisk rip.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
incase the pic doesn't work.