Originally posted by JeanLouise Game is more complex than warcraft. Sorry you cannt understand. Not all games is american. Game will evolve based on players, not static world. You cannt understand world not revolv about you. Glad you gone. Less english cries. I watch world cup while patch game. I have time and understand game dynamics. bye
Yeah yeah, it's more complex then Warcraft, and launch is compared to SWG. We've been this route. How about "Skill complexity compared to SWG (original one)" or "Launch compared to DAoC"? Why is it necessary to compare everything about this game only the worst examples on the market?
Hmm... I liked Heroes of Might and Magic and Prince of Persia which was published by Ubisoft. Either this is selective discrimination on my behalf, or I just don't like slap-hazard, poorly thought out, untested junk.
Actually in wish which i did the beta i have to say the idea was good but the gameplay was horrible.
First it was a PnC which i wanred them may work with asian gamers but nowhere else.PnC is the 90s.
The fanboys on this site kept defending it and insisted the pathing was great of mobs and player which was very wrong it was terrible worse then UO by a mile.
Yes i remember the wish fanboys been in denial and rather then help that game progress by pointing out mistakes they encouraged it.
Originally posted by Valharan Originally posted by JeanLouise Not attaking america, just say not all games appeal to others. I support the devs, you bash to stop other from playing, hurting game. makers not deserv to lose jobs, they have familis. You attak game becaus it is not american, you are the ones show arrogant. i am done.
They should have thought about thier livelyhood before releasing this aborted piece of trash. If you do a piss poor job at work you get fired, well they went beyond a piss poor job and now they deserve to get fired. If a game sucks then it sucks reguardless of who makes it. DnL ranks among the worst games ever made 3 months isn't going to fix the problems it has. Maybe if they shut the game down for another year and but most people who think it sucks are going to bail while they can get their full refund as they can do a lot better with the $54 DnL scammed them of.
Originally posted by Jackdog in case you have not noticed they are getting rather desperate, more people leaving each day aand no one coming in to replace them. It's almost sad.
It is sad. I don't want to see these guys fail. I'd love to see them fix all the bugs and add interesting content. I don't want to see the game I've been watching for years go down in flames like it's doing.
These devs probably worked hard even though it's still very amateurish. This could be it for them. If the game succeeds they have a rewarding career ahead of them. If it fails they may need to start all over again in a different career.
I feed bad for them. They're trying, it's just not working, and they're watching their creation go down in flames.
Originally posted by holycannoli Originally posted by Jackdog in case you have not noticed they are getting rather desperate, more people leaving each day aand no one coming in to replace them. It's almost sad.
It is sad. I don't want to see these guys fail. I'd love to see them fix all the bugs and add interesting content. I don't want to see the game I've been watching for years go down in flames like it's doing.
These devs probably worked hard even though it's still very amateurish. This could be it for them. If the game succeeds they have a rewarding career ahead of them. If it fails they may need to start all over again in a different career.
I feed bad for them. They're trying, it's just not working, and they're watching their creation go down in flames.
You know, in any other game this could amount to a bit of a pity party for the devs. The fact is how they continue to do the unethical, outrageous , deceitful, arrogant, and denial of all that is truth that holds back the feeling of sadness at all. Most of us are over the grief , after all, most of us saw it in beta and then later most others saw it in the release of SOG. Mourning has past. Now its time to get this dirty game and its developers a final rest. There is no excuse for much of what they have done not only with the game itself but with thier actions and attitudes to the community.
Originally posted by LilBoPeep Originally posted by holycannoli Originally posted by Jackdog in case you have not noticed they are getting rather desperate, more people leaving each day aand no one coming in to replace them. It's almost sad.
It is sad. I don't want to see these guys fail. I'd love to see them fix all the bugs and add interesting content. I don't want to see the game I've been watching for years go down in flames like it's doing.
These devs probably worked hard even though it's still very amateurish. This could be it for them. If the game succeeds they have a rewarding career ahead of them. If it fails they may need to start all over again in a different career.
I feed bad for them. They're trying, it's just not working, and they're watching their creation go down in flames.
You know, in any other game this could amount to a bit of a pity party for the devs. The fact is how they continue to do the unethical, outrageous , deceitful, arrogant, and denial of all that is truth that holds back the feeling of sadness at all. Most of us are over the grief , after all, most of us saw it in beta and then later most others saw it in the release of SOG. Mourning has past. Now its time to get this dirty game and its developers a final rest. There is no excuse for much of what they have done not only with the game itself but with thier actions and attitudes to the community.
I agree, one of the few good things that is coming out of the this DnL disaster is that Farlan is getting what they truly deserve for all their lies, deciet, poor communication and rude behavior. I guess the same thing can be said for the fanboys that have parroted farlan's lies and insulted and attacked anyone who had the nerve to question Farlan's lies. In the long run Farlan's failure is a good thing for MMORPG's as it sends a message to other developers that ethical professional behavior, treating your fanbase with respect and not over promising is not only the right way to do business but is much more profitable.
Originally posted by Zippy I agree, one of the few good things that is coming out of the this DnL disaster is that Farlan is getting what they truly deserve for all their lies, deciet, poor communication and rude behavior. I guess the same thing can be said for the fanboys that have parroted farlan's lies and insulted and attacked anyone who had the nerve to question Farlan's lies. In the long run Farlan's failure is a good thing for MMORPG's as it sends a message to other developers that ethical professional behavior, treating your fanbase with respect and not over promising is not only the right way to do business but is much more profitable.
Being around since SOG I have seen the comedy that has spiraled down to what the game is all about today. They lied to us. They lied to everyone. About everything. And continue to do so. I have refunded even though I have been through much with this game in the 'well lets wait and see" dept. The more they try to "fix" or implement, the more they screw it up.
Someone else posted here having to WORK to like this game, having to SEARCH for a good somewhere in the game, is NOT fun. Months and months and months of waiting, dismissing the lies you know you were told and giving chance after chance for this game to show some kind of light at the end of the tunnel, then to heap more lies and bull on an ever increasing mound of excretement was just too much! And they continue with the TOO MUCH!
Nowhere, nowhere is there a spot to hang your hat and say I have a reason to be here in this game.
Originally posted by JeanLouise Game is more complex than warcraft. Sorry you cannt understand. Not all games is american. Game will evolve based on players, not static world. You cannt understand world not revolv about you. Glad you gone. Less english cries. I watch world cup while patch game. I have time and understand game dynamics. bye
He's not saying it's not complex, just that it doesn't work. I am the most optimistic person god ever probably created, just ask my gf, but even I had to ask for a refund today. I love DnL the idea, it's freakin' awesome. But right now DnL the game should be at the very least taken back to an open beta and lets get the thing working before we try and charge money for it.
Oh, and btw Jackdog, remember all those times you spread negativity about the game and me and lots of other people called you a troll? Well I was wrong and you were right. Cheers mate.
Originally posted by anarchyart Oh, and btw Jackdog, remember all those times you spread negativity about the game and me and lots of other people called you a troll? Well I was wrong and you were right. Cheers mate.
Eh no biggie man, I just had some info at the time you did not have access too. Good luck to you finding a game that deserves your fandom
Yeah I'm starting to not feel so bad for Farlan after reading countless accounts of horrible customer service, billing issues etc. Heck there's even a golden egg winner who can't play because they claim she cancelled her account! (I think it's a "she").
Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by JeanLouise Game is more complex than warcraft. Sorry you cannt understand. Not all games is american. Game will evolve based on players, not static world. You cannt understand world not revolv about you. Glad you gone. Less english cries. I watch world cup while patch game. I have time and understand game dynamics. bye
He's not saying it's not complex, just that it doesn't work. I am the most optimistic person god ever probably created, just ask my gf, but even I had to ask for a refund today. I love DnL the idea, it's freakin' awesome. But right now DnL the game should be at the very least taken back to an open beta and lets get the thing working before we try and charge money for it.
Oh, and btw Jackdog, remember all those times you spread negativity about the game and me and lots of other people called you a troll? Well I was wrong and you were right. Cheers mate.
Dont see how you get
"Game is more complex than warcraft. Sorry you cannt understand. Not all games is american. Game will evolve based on players, not static world. You cannt understand world not revolv about you. "
with:
"He's not saying it's not complex, just that it doesn't work"
Originally posted by JeanLouise Game is more complex than warcraft. Sorry you cannt understand. Not all games is american. Game will evolve based on players, not static world. You cannt understand world not revolv about you. Glad you gone. Less english cries. I watch world cup while patch game. I have time and understand game dynamics. bye
For starters I'm not American, I am Australian. I play games from developers all over the world, don't care what country they're made in.
I do not dislike DnL simply because it is crap, I have played crap games before. I hate DnL because so much was promised and so much potential was there for DnL to be the best MMORPG ever, and it was all a lie! All of the potential has been wasted because the developers have no idea what makes a game succesfull.
You critiscise World of Warcraft? Has DnL broken pc game sales records in its first week of release? Do you think DnL will ever attain 6.5 million subscribers?
let's see how many zeroes that is? 6 500 000!!! from people all over the world with servers in Europe and Asia as well America.
I think that you may criticsise Blizzard and their product all you like, they're still laughing all the way to the bank. What about DnL?
The success of the game will be measured by how many people pay to play it, and I don't think it will be very many. So climb down off your high horse Jean Louise, your puffed up arrogance impresses noone. Try using wit and evidence to convince us you're right. Ego and insults just aren't doing the trick!
Dark and Light is actually a "piece of crap". A good concept, with poor realisation ( to say the least ).
Patriotism has nothing to do with the fact that a game is good or bad.
I could play a russian game if it's good ( Tetris ). I could play a japanese game if it's good ( Mario ), I could play a french game if it's good ( Another World , alone in the Dark... ).
I don't care the origins, I care the results.
And DnL is apalling. It is not apalling as a french game. It is apalling as a game. Period.
Dark and Light is actually a "piece of crap". A good concept, with poor realisation ( to say the least ).
Patriotism has nothing to do with the fact that a game is good or bad.
I could play a russian game if it's good ( Tetris ). I could play a japanese game if it's good ( Mario ), I could play a french game if it's good ( Another World , alone in the Dark... ).
I don't care the origins, I care the results.
And DnL is apalling. It is not apalling as a french game. It is apalling as a game. Period.
Originally posted by JeanLouise Game is more complex than warcraft. Sorry you cannt understand. Not all games is american. Game will evolve based on players, not static world. You cannt understand world not revolv about you. Glad you gone. Less english cries. I watch world cup while patch game. I have time and understand game dynamics. bye
Make it simple: according to your premise let's keep the French made "games" in France and the U.S. made games over here and see which do better, financially and with a player base. 'nuff said.
I think Aratorn summed it up quite well on the official boards:
What do you have to accomplish in-game ? Do you gain a title of "Exceptionnal dodo killer" ? "Bane of Mosquitos" ? "Horse Chainkiller" ?
What is actually in-game that is fun to accomplish ?
You're making a mistake : this game is not hard, it is boring, slow-paced, unbalanced, badly designed, and non-ergonomic. What makes it "hard" is the fact that everything that is included works erratically. The fact that a small rat can slaughter your warrior, that a pack of wolves don't actually act like a pack of wolves, that from patch to patch, animals can go from defenseless to totally rampaging creatures.
This is a frakkin' MMORPG. Not a Boeing 777 reallistic simulator. And stop insulting WoW players. You can't insult over 7M people that way.
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Yeah yeah, it's more complex then Warcraft, and launch is compared to SWG. We've been this route. How about "Skill complexity compared to SWG (original one)" or "Launch compared to DAoC"? Why is it necessary to compare everything about this game only the worst examples on the market?
Hmm... I liked Heroes of Might and Magic and Prince of Persia which was published by Ubisoft. Either this is selective discrimination on my behalf, or I just don't like slap-hazard, poorly thought out, untested junk.
Now you're begging?
Have some dignity, please.
I miss DAoC
Actually in wish which i did the beta i have to say the idea was good but the gameplay was horrible.
First it was a PnC which i wanred them may work with asian gamers but nowhere else.PnC is the 90s.
The fanboys on this site kept defending it and insisted the pathing was great of mobs and player which was very wrong it was terrible worse then UO by a mile.
Yes i remember the wish fanboys been in denial and rather then help that game progress by pointing out mistakes they encouraged it.
Mercifully the game never made it live
If a game sucks then it sucks reguardless of who makes it. DnL ranks among the worst games ever made 3 months isn't going to fix the problems it has. Maybe if they shut the game down for another year and but most people who think it sucks are going to bail while they can get their full refund as they can do a lot better with the $54 DnL scammed them of.
It is sad. I don't want to see these guys fail. I'd love to see them fix all the bugs and add interesting content. I don't want to see the game I've been watching for years go down in flames like it's doing.
These devs probably worked hard even though it's still very amateurish. This could be it for them. If the game succeeds they have a rewarding career ahead of them. If it fails they may need to start all over again in a different career.
I feed bad for them. They're trying, it's just not working, and they're watching their creation go down in flames.
It is sad. I don't want to see these guys fail. I'd love to see them fix all the bugs and add interesting content. I don't want to see the game I've been watching for years go down in flames like it's doing.
These devs probably worked hard even though it's still very amateurish. This could be it for them. If the game succeeds they have a rewarding career ahead of them. If it fails they may need to start all over again in a different career.
I feed bad for them. They're trying, it's just not working, and they're watching their creation go down in flames.
You know, in any other game this could amount to a bit of a pity party for the devs. The fact is how they continue to do the unethical, outrageous , deceitful, arrogant, and denial of all that is truth that holds back the feeling of sadness at all. Most of us are over the grief , after all, most of us saw it in beta and then later most others saw it in the release of SOG. Mourning has past. Now its time to get this dirty game and its developers a final rest. There is no excuse for much of what they have done not only with the game itself but with thier actions and attitudes to the community.
It is sad. I don't want to see these guys fail. I'd love to see them fix all the bugs and add interesting content. I don't want to see the game I've been watching for years go down in flames like it's doing.
These devs probably worked hard even though it's still very amateurish. This could be it for them. If the game succeeds they have a rewarding career ahead of them. If it fails they may need to start all over again in a different career.
I feed bad for them. They're trying, it's just not working, and they're watching their creation go down in flames.
You know, in any other game this could amount to a bit of a pity party for the devs. The fact is how they continue to do the unethical, outrageous , deceitful, arrogant, and denial of all that is truth that holds back the feeling of sadness at all. Most of us are over the grief , after all, most of us saw it in beta and then later most others saw it in the release of SOG. Mourning has past. Now its time to get this dirty game and its developers a final rest. There is no excuse for much of what they have done not only with the game itself but with thier actions and attitudes to the community.
I agree, one of the few good things that is coming out of the this DnL disaster is that Farlan is getting what they truly deserve for all their lies, deciet, poor communication and rude behavior. I guess the same thing can be said for the fanboys that have parroted farlan's lies and insulted and attacked anyone who had the nerve to question Farlan's lies. In the long run Farlan's failure is a good thing for MMORPG's as it sends a message to other developers that ethical professional behavior, treating your fanbase with respect and not over promising is not only the right way to do business but is much more profitable.
Being around since SOG I have seen the comedy that has spiraled down to what the game is all about today. They lied to us. They lied to everyone. About everything. And continue to do so. I have refunded even though I have been through much with this game in the 'well lets wait and see" dept. The more they try to "fix" or implement, the more they screw it up.
Someone else posted here having to WORK to like this game, having to SEARCH for a good somewhere in the game, is NOT fun. Months and months and months of waiting, dismissing the lies you know you were told and giving chance after chance for this game to show some kind of light at the end of the tunnel, then to heap more lies and bull on an ever increasing mound of excretement was just too much! And they continue with the TOO MUCH!
Nowhere, nowhere is there a spot to hang your hat and say I have a reason to be here in this game.
Did you guys feel sorry for Kenny Boy Lay and Jeffery Skilling?
How about Eichman?
lol..
well Eichman is going a bit far..
This game still exists?
He's not saying it's not complex, just that it doesn't work. I am the most optimistic person god ever probably created, just ask my gf, but even I had to ask for a refund today. I love DnL the idea, it's freakin' awesome. But right now DnL the game should be at the very least taken back to an open beta and lets get the thing working before we try and charge money for it.
Oh, and btw Jackdog, remember all those times you spread negativity about the game and me and lots of other people called you a troll? Well I was wrong and you were right. Cheers mate.
I miss DAoC
Yeah I'm starting to not feel so bad for Farlan after reading countless accounts of horrible customer service, billing issues etc. Heck there's even a golden egg winner who can't play because they claim she cancelled her account! (I think it's a "she").
He's not saying it's not complex, just that it doesn't work. I am the most optimistic person god ever probably created, just ask my gf, but even I had to ask for a refund today. I love DnL the idea, it's freakin' awesome. But right now DnL the game should be at the very least taken back to an open beta and lets get the thing working before we try and charge money for it.
Oh, and btw Jackdog, remember all those times you spread negativity about the game and me and lots of other people called you a troll? Well I was wrong and you were right. Cheers mate.
Dont see how you get
"Game is more complex than warcraft. Sorry you cannt understand. Not all games is american. Game will evolve based on players, not static world. You cannt understand world not revolv about you. "
with:
"He's not saying it's not complex, just that it doesn't work"
maybe its just me...I dunno....
For starters I'm not American, I am Australian. I play games from developers all over the world, don't care what country they're made in.
I do not dislike DnL simply because it is crap, I have played crap games before. I hate DnL because so much was promised and so much potential was there for DnL to be the best MMORPG ever, and it was all a lie! All of the potential has been wasted because the developers have no idea what makes a game succesfull.
You critiscise World of Warcraft? Has DnL broken pc game sales records in its first week of release? Do you think DnL will ever attain 6.5 million subscribers?
let's see how many zeroes that is? 6 500 000!!! from people all over the world with servers in Europe and Asia as well America.
I think that you may criticsise Blizzard and their product all you like, they're still laughing all the way to the bank. What about DnL?
The success of the game will be measured by how many people pay to play it, and I don't think it will be very many. So climb down off your high horse Jean Louise, your puffed up arrogance impresses noone. Try using wit and evidence to convince us you're right. Ego and insults just aren't doing the trick!
Dark and Light is actually a "piece of crap". A good concept, with poor realisation ( to say the least ).
Patriotism has nothing to do with the fact that a game is good or bad.
I could play a russian game if it's good ( Tetris ). I could play a japanese game if it's good ( Mario ), I could play a french game if it's good ( Another World , alone in the Dark... ).
I don't care the origins, I care the results.
And DnL is apalling. It is not apalling as a french game. It is apalling as a game. Period.
I miss DAoC
Make it simple: according to your premise let's keep the French made "games" in France and the U.S. made games over here and see which do better, financially and with a player base. 'nuff said.
I think Aratorn summed it up quite well on the official boards:
What do you have to accomplish in-game ? Do you gain a title of
"Exceptionnal dodo killer" ? "Bane of Mosquitos" ? "Horse Chainkiller" ?
What is actually in-game that is fun to accomplish ?
You're making a mistake : this game is not hard, it is boring,
slow-paced, unbalanced, badly designed, and non-ergonomic. What makes
it "hard" is the fact that everything that is included works
erratically. The fact that a small rat can slaughter your warrior, that
a pack of wolves don't actually act like a pack of wolves, that from
patch to patch, animals can go from defenseless to totally rampaging
creatures.
This is a frakkin' MMORPG. Not a Boeing 777 reallistic simulator. And
stop insulting WoW players. You can't insult over 7M people that way.
http://darkandlight.net/forums/showthread.php?t=64795&page=3&pp=20
After this latest patch- many more are "throwing in the towel" as active players".
What was it JackDog and Zip said awhile back.......?
Dead Game Walkin....
yeh yeh that was it.