Originally posted by Cholayna Touche' ! Name ONE fully priced mmorpg released which is "much worse" recently??? And as far as just lvling up, everything else is broken man! Thats all there is to do is lvl up! You cant even explore without problems! You cant even combat without problems! So yeh, you can even level up!
IRTH is pretty damn awful too. But sadly, after "playing" both, IRTH is actually a better game.
Now there's a sentence I never thought I would form.
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Originally posted by Vyce I really don't understand all the effort the "haters" of DnL are putting into slamming the game - and a lot of them have never even been in-game.
You don't know this to be fact. You are trying to discredit others without fact. Fact is I played the game.. I wanted it to be great. It isn't, not even close.
If you don't like it, don't play? I guess you have a right to spend your days crying and all, but again, I don't understand why anyone would waste so much time to do so.
If I a pedestrian, reading a paper, start to step into oncomming traffic, I have no obligation to warn him. But I will anyways.. You can call it crying if it makes you feel better.
I enjoy the game, and is doing better than some others at launch, as well as worse than others. It is not a load of crap like the haters say, that is just a lie. Many people like the game and are enjoying it. I am one of those people.
Then by all means, play the game. _______________________________________________________________
The game is geared towards mature players, which may explain all the crybaby haters.
I'm 40.. Been playing games since the TSR & IBM 8088 day.. But again, feel free to assume you know the audience.
It is a game about exploring and growing your character over time, and many don't like that they have to figure things out and work at it, but just as many are thrilled at the opportunity to have a more realistic adventure in the land of Ganareth,
How realistic that not a single person in your home town talks to you? Realistic that you lose faction for killing the newbie MOBs next to your newbie town, and there is no elder to explain they are your god's protected choldren? Realistic that you can;t even begin to level without putting 1 point into warrior, and there is no warrior mentor to explain that to you? Realistic? Please.. you are all trying to create backstory to excuse poor design and code.
It is a huge world that we are just now starting in, and I for one like to be a true pioneer, and learn how and why things are done and what results you get when trying new things. If you want a game that you log into and start pvping in uber gear and can reach level 100 in a week, this game is not for you, and many of us don't want you there.
Of course there are no games where you make lvl 100 in a week and have uber gear.. But lies advance your point more than the truth ever will. Pioneers were given up to 35 free levels, but this was not to be unfair as most could level to 35 in a few weeks. Now it will take months. This is not by design, but because there is no end game content yet coded.
If you don't have the smarts and patience to grow your toon, this is not for you. For the mature, intelligent, pioneering type player that looks to establish clans and realms and PvP for control in a vast world that you could truely become lost in, this game is probably for you.
The intelligent people decided that they are not a bank, loaning money to a company that has proven to date it can't accomplish the stated goal of building "clans and realms and PvP for control in a vast world"
The developers admitted the game wasn't ready, but they were out of time and had to release it. That is to say, no professional would give them more money on a project so imcomplete, and with little hope of ever being complete. So they turned to the unsuspecting public.
________________________________________________________________ bottom line, if you are an emotionally imature person with no patience or vision, you won't like the game - it's way over your head.
And if you are emotionally mature, have loads of patience, and 20/20 vision... You REALLY won't like this game.
If you are mature, like to learn and figuring things out while you level at a realistic pace, and grow into your character to become a crafter or fighter etc... or just like to explore, I suggest you check the game out and see for yourself. There are many of us in-game that are having a great time.
And they can't afford to keep Farlan afloat alone.
It is a game about exploring and growing your character over time, and many don't like that they have to figure things out and work at it, but just as many are thrilled at the opportunity to have a more realistic adventure in the land of Ganareth,
How realistic that not a single person in your home town talks to you? Realistic that you lose faction for killing the newbie MOBs next to your newbie town, and there is no elder to explain they are your god's protected choldren? Realistic that you can;t even begin to level without putting 1 point into warrior, and there is no warrior mentor to explain that to you? Realistic? Please.. you are all trying to create backstory to excuse poor design and code.
It is a huge world that we are just now starting in, and I for one like to be a true pioneer, and learn how and why things are done and what results you get when trying new things. If you want a game that you log into and start pvping in uber gear and can reach level 100 in a week, this game is not for you, and many of us don't want you there.
Of course there are no games where you make lvl 100 in a week and have uber gear.. But lies advance your point more than the truth ever will. Pioneers were given up to 35 free levels, but this was not to be unfair as most could level to 35 in a few weeks. Now it will take months. This is not by design, but because there is no end game content yet coded.
If you don't have the smarts and patience to grow your toon, this is not for you. For the mature, intelligent, pioneering type player that looks to establish clans and realms and PvP for control in a vast world that you could truely become lost in, this game is probably for you.
The intelligent people decided that they are not a bank, loaning money to a company that has proven to date it can't accomplish the stated goal of building "clans and realms and PvP for control in a vast world"
The developers admitted the game wasn't ready, but they were out of time and had to release it. That is to say, no professional would give them more money on a project so imcomplete, and with little hope of ever being complete. So they turned to the unsuspecting public.
________________________________________________________________ bottom line, if you are an emotionally imature person with no patience or vision, you won't like the game - it's way over your head.
And if you are emotionally mature, have loads of patience, and 20/20 vision... You REALLY won't like this game.
If you are mature, like to learn and figuring things out while you level at a realistic pace, and grow into your character to become a crafter or fighter etc... or just like to explore, I suggest you check the game out and see for yourself. There are many of us in-game that are having a great time.
And they can't afford to keep Farlan afloat alone.
Originally posted by Vyce I really don't understand all the effort the "haters" of DnL are putting into slamming the game - and a lot of them have never even been in-game.
I dont understand why obvious one time posters posting bs like this to get their post count up to make a fake rating even bother to read the myriad of posts that claim ppl who "slam" this game ARE IN THE GAME, ARE CURRENT PLAYERS, OR HAVE RECENTLY ATTEMPTED THE GAME. Point out the "lot of them" otherwise your entire post is total bs.
If you don't like it, don't play? I guess you have a right to spend your days crying and all, but again, I don't understand why anyone would waste so much time to do so.
I enjoy the game, and is doing better than some others at launch, as well as worse than others. Name ONE game that has done "better" at launch? Remember now, DNL only allowed a max 100 player connection at their "launch", so go ahead, NAME ONE . It is not a load of crap like the haters say, that is just a lie. You are piling them pretty high here already. Many people like the game and are enjoying it. I am one of those people. The game is geared towards mature players, which may explain all the crybaby haters. Or better yet, the crybaby fanbois who dont like the truth. It is a game about exploring and growing your character over time, and many don't like that they have to figure things out and work at it, but just as many are thrilled at the opportunity to have a more realistic adventure in the land of Ganareth, instead of logging on and leveling to 50 in one day. Sure, when the game works. DNL doesnt. It is a huge world that we are just now starting in, and I for one like to be a true pioneer, speaking of Pioneers, werent they the ones who get screwed on the /inheritance, werent they the ones who did NOT get the good deal? werent they the ones who paid for a mount and got one slower than the ones the ppl who paid nothing got? Werent they the ones who after all the long wait and loyalty got the shaft? So much for being a Pioneer in DNL... and learn how and why things are done and what results you get when trying new things. Cuz there is no manual to tell you what anything means or the consequences of picking this pt over that or where the hell do you find anything. Several have already screwed up their loyal /inheritance toon simply because there is no manual, there is no way to find out what this does or that does and if it will have any bearing on you at all or be helpful in any way until you try it. So you waste those pts since they do nothing for you and you have a gimped, totally disrespected /inheritance toon and your only option is to delete since you cant fight or cast spells, so there goes yet another toon. Oh and if you accidently delete, cuz the UI is so bad you cant really tell what you are picking anyway, the gms and devs dont give a shit at all, too bad so sad, nothing we gonna do about it, and btw - the cursor doesnt point where you want it so you have to 'palm" it as it seems to work over the palm instead of the pointer... If you want a game that you log into and start pvping in uber gear and can reach level 100 in a week, this game is not for you, and many of us don't want you there. And uh, there isnt one out there like that either, but it would be nice to have armor that doesnt fall apart or a weapon that doesnt disappear after the spawn in area mobs ganked you over and over and over and the aggro rate is 1000 yards from the mob that can cover more ground in less time than a damn rocket and the mob levels range from oh 5 - 32 in one group and the whole damn group will aggro you but since you didnt know what pts would do what (even leaving common sense out of it - put pts in fighting if you are a mage, doh!) for you and you cant cast anything cuz there is no uninterruptable that takes less than 5 seconds to start, you are a dead man anyway within 3 seconds. If you don't have the smarts and patience to grow your toon, this is not for you. There we go, all those ppl that totally disagree and present the truth of the game are all just crybabies, immature and doh! unintelligent....I suppose now you will tell us if we aint got the power of osmosis dont bother huh? For the mature, intelligent, pioneering type player that looks to establish clans and realms and PvP for control in a vast world that you could truely become lost in, this game is probably for you. But only if you are "mature" enough to disregard all the bad posts, all the bad patches, all the bad coding, all the bad setup configs, all the rearranging of your own computer settings that work just fine on any other game, all the bad logins, all the bad combat, all the bad graphic displacement, all the bad censorship, all the bad moves by the devs/mods, all the problems with billing, all the bad quests, all the bad npcs and I will say it again, all the bad reviews. Disregard it all and you are certainly "mature" enough to handle this game, right?
bottom line, if you are an emotionally imature person with no patience or vision, you won't like the game - it's way over your head. CAse in point ^^^^
If you are mature, like to learn and figuring things out while you level at a realistic pace, and grow into your character to become a crafter or fighter etc... meaning if you can help the devs figure out some workarounds, wait patiently day after day after day for the fix that broke the fix that broke the other fix until they actually have the fighter or crafter implemented and working..... or just like to explore, for hours on end with nothing much to see ...for hours...the same far distance....for hours....and hours ....and hours...again and again and again...over and over and over...cuz nothing else works. I suggest you check the game out and see for yourself. There are many of us in-game that are having a great time. Except the fact that we already think you are possibly an immature unintelligent crybaby so come on in and let us see for ourselves whether you are or not cuz the first time you ask why something isnt working, how does it work or where the hell do you go, or what the hell do you do now, youre outta here and can go play in the sandbox, right?
Good one. Insult them first then tell them to come on out and check it out themselves for a great game with great ppl. I replied. Your chance for a insulting differing reply, thus resulting in a higher post count so you can come here to do what you wanted in the first place, and place your rating of 10 on this game.
SEe how helpful and nice the "immature" ones can be???
Originally posted by Vyce I guess you have a right to spend your days crying and all, but again, I don't understand why anyone would waste so much time to do so. It is not a load of crap like the haters say, that is just a lie. The game is geared towards mature players, which may explain all the crybaby haters. If you don't have the smarts and patience to grow your toon, this is not for you. bottom line, if you are an emotionally imature person with no patience or vision, you won't like the game - it's way over your head.
repost from yet another "ppl who dont like this game are immature and we dont want you anyway" post:
....A few thoughts after reading the latest both on the DNL boards and some responses here to a few threads:
If what they want is "mature" players, they certainly do wish for an unbiased decision do they not? In allowing for both the shill as well as the informative hard truth, this would allow an "mature" person to make their own "mature" decision. Thus, resulting in "mature" players. Logical right? (yes its an idiotic idea in the first place but I am going by what is posted and how it is responded to in this and the main boards-- so humor me 'kay?)
If on the other hand, you wish to baffle them with bs, many "immature" cannot see through the bafflement and may just take them up on the idea that the game is a 10. So the game that wishes "mature" players will then be flooded with "immature" players whom are the ones that could not see through the hype and all those "mature" players can then deal with all those "immature" players. Sigh..
With "immature" you get those who will whine at every problem right? WIth "immature" you will get those who will soon grow tired of getting ganked by the higher "mature" gankers in the game, right? With "immature" you will get those who will demand, whine, complain and moan about not getting what was promised, right?
Soooo, by allowing for the fake ratings, baffled wtih bs hype and getting rid of those "immature" enough NOT to buy into this crap or those "immature" enough NOT to buy into the "second chance" (Remember SOG? DNL IS the second chance) or even those "immature" enough to stay as far away as possible yet still belong to an "immature" community, you have a community of "immature" players,
What a quandry!
Oh no matter, all the cash from the "immature" players is all that does matter...all those that didnt fall for the out and out hype and bs are just "immature" anyway and DNL didnt want them in the first place, right?
Zvorak I hardly think that calling someone a newb or pointing out their age is any kind of response to anything this person may say. Please dont denigrate this forum into the likes of the DNL forum pls.
Btw - great idea tho to compare playing a game released 7yrs ago and coming back and saying it ranks right up there with the top ten. I suggest however they try RFO, DD&O, AA as these are much more polished and finished and professionally done games currently released. They will see a bigger difference by far.
Originally posted by Cholayna Zvorak I hardly think that calling someone a newb or pointing out their age is any kind of response to anything this person may say. Please dont denigrate this forum into the likes of the DNL forum pls. Btw - great idea tho to compare playing a game released 7yrs ago and coming back and saying it ranks right up there with the top ten. I suggest however they try RFO, DD&O, AA as these are much more polished and finished and professionally done games currently released. They will see a bigger difference by far.
Excuse me..?
Dismissing or not acknowledging certain facts about a person (age & experience) as they rant or post is ludicrist..! Opinions stem from experience... thus I was establishing his EXPERIENCE within this community. SO that you may weigh or judge his opinion accordingly..!
I was NOT degrading him or belittleing him, it is a simple fact that Ztyx has very little gaming experience within the MMORPG genre' or that he is YOUNG.
Secondly, you totally missed my point about compairing Dark & Light to Everquest. You see, if i was a Businessman about to start making an MMORPG and gathering a DEV team, i would know ALL ABOUT my compitition.
Thus... I wouldn't build a game that 7 year newer than and aging Everquest and make my game less polished, less features, less dungeons, less spells, less crafting, less equipment. I would design my game to be better than something thats aging and 7 years old...!!
Dark & Light failed on that. Why compare Dark & Light to DDO or RFO when it can't even be compaired to Everquest. Newer game should have per pixil shaders, and newer technology in them... Not Dark & Light. So I have to compair it with an old game because it is not fair to compare it with it's own peers.
Originally posted by ZtyX This is my revew: And I'd like to say .. Don't listen to all the hate posts. They have found it their hobby to thrash this game. Very immature behaviour in my oppinion:
This is an amazing game! The launch was painful.. A lot of delay. Some bugs. But the developers are some of the nicest I have ever been around. And AD who are paid by Dark and Light do an amazing job on moderating the forums, the irc channel and the game. As well as making great in game events. Man.. The world is amazing. Graphics are really good too. Sometimes a little lag. But, the developers are working on it. And the graphics is going to improve a lot!.. I can't wait till I see this game grow.. This is definitely worth my time. .. The possibilities are just enormeous. It's real breathing world! I created a guild.. Lots of people to recruit.. And we are doing great. Becoming better friends by the day.. I can't wait till we get our own Fort and start launching attacks at other guilds' forts.. It will be amazing. And all the Roleplaying events we can make.. It's going to be really great. Also.. This game has some pretty unique advancement access. Especially the Social axis. With which you can enter politics! You can become a baron, a duke.. Hell even a king! And this is not just a title.. You can control city guards.. You must give authorization for new guilds to create cities. And if you are the king. You have a complete army to control! This game is truly awesome. Hmm.. But a lot of things are being worked on at the moment. Some content is locked. But, many patches are coming and the developers are very hardworking and ambicious. They have been working on this game for 6 years. It's their life project. I expect a lot more to come from this game!! I believe in it.. And can definitely recommend this to other players out there. In time.. This will become the biggest MMORPG ever! With 100.000+ players on one server. Playing, interacting and oh my god.. Having so much fun!!
You have got to be the biggest fanboi ever. Game is a piece of shit. Now GTFO!!!
Ugh let this thread get pushed to page 4, heh it sucks full of hateboi's and so forth. Oh wait I'm one of them, yeah but still let it die no need to push positive crap like this to the first page.
Originally posted by ZtyX This is my revew: And I'd like to say .. Don't listen to all the hate posts. They have found it their hobby to thrash this game. Very immature behaviour in my oppinion:
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You know....your false propaganda is not working on the "official" forums. Do you think it will really work here?
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IRTH is pretty damn awful too. But sadly, after "playing" both, IRTH is actually a better game.
Now there's a sentence I never thought I would form.
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
Good one. Insult them first then tell them to come on out and check it out themselves for a great game with great ppl.
I replied. Your chance for a insulting differing reply, thus resulting in a higher post count so you can come here to do what you wanted in the first place, and place your rating of 10 on this game.
SEe how helpful and nice the "immature" ones can be???
repost from yet another "ppl who dont like this game are immature and we dont want you anyway" post:
....A few thoughts after reading the latest both on the DNL boards and some responses here to a few threads:
If what they want is "mature" players, they certainly do wish for an unbiased decision do they not? In allowing for both the shill as well as the informative hard truth, this would allow an "mature" person to make their own "mature" decision. Thus, resulting in "mature" players. Logical right? (yes its an idiotic idea in the first place but I am going by what is posted and how it is responded to in this and the main boards-- so humor me 'kay?)
If on the other hand, you wish to baffle them with bs, many "immature" cannot see through the bafflement and may just take them up on the idea that the game is a 10. So the game that wishes "mature" players will then be flooded with "immature" players whom are the ones that could not see through the hype and all those "mature" players can then deal with all those "immature" players. Sigh..
With "immature" you get those who will whine at every problem right? WIth "immature" you will get those who will soon grow tired of getting ganked by the higher "mature" gankers in the game, right? With "immature" you will get those who will demand, whine, complain and moan about not getting what was promised, right?
Soooo, by allowing for the fake ratings, baffled wtih bs hype and getting rid of those "immature" enough NOT to buy into this crap or those "immature" enough NOT to buy into the "second chance" (Remember SOG? DNL IS the second chance) or even those "immature" enough to stay as far away as possible yet still belong to an "immature" community, you have a community of "immature" players,
What a quandry!
Oh no matter, all the cash from the "immature" players is all that does matter...all those that didnt fall for the out and out hype and bs are just "immature" anyway and DNL didnt want them in the first place, right?
Zvorak I hardly think that calling someone a newb or pointing out their age is any kind of response to anything this person may say. Please dont denigrate this forum into the likes of the DNL forum pls.
Btw - great idea tho to compare playing a game released 7yrs ago and coming back and saying it ranks right up there with the top ten. I suggest however they try RFO, DD&O, AA as these are much more polished and finished and professionally done games currently released. They will see a bigger difference by far.
Sorry bout bumping this but
Ztyx is even being bashed by fanbois now
Poor guy
Excuse me..?
Dismissing or not acknowledging certain facts about a person (age & experience) as they rant or post is ludicrist..! Opinions stem from experience... thus I was establishing his EXPERIENCE within this community. SO that you may weigh or judge his opinion accordingly..!
I was NOT degrading him or belittleing him, it is a simple fact that Ztyx has very little gaming experience within the MMORPG genre' or that he is YOUNG.
Secondly, you totally missed my point about compairing Dark & Light to Everquest. You see, if i was a Businessman about to start making an MMORPG and gathering a DEV team, i would know ALL ABOUT my compitition.
Thus... I wouldn't build a game that 7 year newer than and aging Everquest and make my game less polished, less features, less dungeons, less spells, less crafting, less equipment. I would design my game to be better than something thats aging and 7 years old...!!
Dark & Light failed on that. Why compare Dark & Light to DDO or RFO when it can't even be compaired to Everquest. Newer game should have per pixil shaders, and newer technology in them... Not Dark & Light. So I have to compair it with an old game because it is not fair to compare it with it's own peers.
-Zvorak
You have got to be the biggest fanboi ever. Game is a piece of shit. Now GTFO!!!
hahhaah nice
hahhaah nice
Look at what ZtyX posted today.
Slowly turning to the dark side
Some ripped quotes from his post.
But, we were let down. I am very disappointed.
But us gamers. We play for fun. We need to have fun
.. Also. Please don't say something is wrong with me if I don't enjoy roleplaying events as much as other people do.
I was also constantly afraid of the darks.
the terrible, terrible reward made the event become the worst I have been to yet.
we were all disappointed.
I am actually very upset.
I feel exploited and unrewarded.
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OMG ...! somebody got caught !!
-Zvorak
The game is a bust. Face it.