It always amazes me how much crap people will put up with from a guild/corp. That goes double in EVE where you can really screw over your former corpmates if they piss you off. It's a freaking game, you're doing the right thing by going to a group that actually enjoys their time instead of playing power-tripping games.
What is his corp's name, what alliance, and where are they at?
How many players real players are there, as opposed to their alts? You obviously know, because you know their voices. Such information can really put them in the gutter, if all the other corps know.
Who owns the TS server? What is its IP? What is its password? Get this info in the right hands, and there are alliances that would just love to sneak in an ear, or maybe even hack into it and cause a crash in the middle of PvP play.
Who seems to be "on the outs," and who are the "golden children" who can't do wrong? Can they be bought with ISK? Can they be persuaded to "listen in," maybe make some recordings? Maybe simulcast the transmissions to the enemy?
What are their jobs? Where are each of their timezones? Do they have websites with PayPal donations? Would they take RL money for their RL things they do, in exchange for screwing over these idiots like Cold Blade?
Yes I know it sounds cold, downright nasty, and crossing a line that shouldn't be crossed. Just like they are doing to you, and everyone else. And don't think for a moment that if they had the capacity to do it, they wouldn't do it, kjemper. They have no qualms about making people miserable over a video game, and using every advantage they know to make a game a "real life thing."
They opened the door to having all this stuff done to them that I described, because they feel like they can cross lines that shouldn't be crossed, just to make people miserable and take the game to a place where it shouldn't ever go.
So do likewise. After all, if they want to act all serious, then give them serious problems.
I had a former corpmate try to do this after I kicked him from my corp for being a douchebag. The 5 minute inconvienence of changing the voice coms password was compensated for by his accidental violation of the EVE EULA in persuit of vengence (and subsequent permban from the game).
I had a former corpmate try to do this after I kicked him from my corp for being a douchebag. The 5 minute inconvienence of changing the voice coms password was compensated for by his accidental violation of the EVE EULA in persuit of vengence (and subsequent permban from the game).
So just get someone you know who doesn't play EVE to be the go-between.
/shrug
Besides, if CCP is going to start policing what is appropriate and inappropriate on private Teamspeak servers, then I'm sure we can all give detailed accounts of lewd, hateful, and inappropriate conduct over them.
Besides all of that, don't you think its hypocritical to encourage the sort of plotting that is done, but when it comes to corps who use a 3rd party device to prevent the plotting aspect, then its off limits to plot?
Talk about carebear man. It sounds to me like you want CCP to solve your problems for you, when something you do ends up costing you, whining "Waaahhhh its unfair."
Seriously, if CCP did that, I have a few players myself I'd want them to kick out. But for them to step in and solve your TS problem is to me a waste of my subscription fee.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Originally posted by RollinDutch I had a former corpmate try to do this after I kicked him from my corp for being a douchebag. The 5 minute inconvienence of changing the voice coms password was compensated for by his accidental violation of the EVE EULA in persuit of vengence (and subsequent permban from the game).
So just get someone you know who doesn't play EVE to be the go-between.
/shrug
Besides, if CCP is going to start policing what is appropriate and inappropriate on private Teamspeak servers, then I'm sure we can all give detailed accounts of lewd, hateful, and inappropriate conduct over them.
Besides all of that, don't you think its hypocritical to encourage the sort of plotting that is done, but when it comes to corps who use a 3rd party device to prevent the plotting aspect, then its off limits to plot?
Talk about carebear man. It sounds to me like you want CCP to solve your problems for you, when something you do ends up costing you, whining "Waaahhhh its unfair."
Seriously, if CCP did that, I have a few players myself I'd want them to kick out. But for them to step in and solve your TS problem is to me a waste of my subscription fee.
They didnt solve our voice coms problem, nuking his account and changing the global password did.
They did solve a different problem over something he did in-game.
They didnt solve our voice coms problem, nuking his account and changing the global password did.
They did solve a different problem over something he did in-game.
So because you kicked out one of your people, simply kicking him out wasn't good enough? You had to petition CCP to have his account "nuked?"
I don't know what is worse. You for wanting to get the guy kicked out of EVE, or CCP for actually accepting your request.
What do I have to do to get CCP to "nuke an ex-corp members account?"
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
I'm really worried about someone like you h4xxing my TS b0x if you dont know what nuked referrs to. No, really.
No man, I wouldn't do that. I don't game with TS or vent.
But I don't blame people for using the stuff they learn from being on TS against folk. In fact, I encourage it highly.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
I've heard of people going OTT on EVE after being killed, like the classic TankCEO story that invited someone to TS after he killed his cruiser that he was mining in. The guy exploded and said he was going to kill him IRL (i think it was an axe in the head), he also gave him threats on EVE which got his account banned.
Personally i think these types of people are a great part of EVE, they're comical so it's fun to kill them and get hate mail. I haven't had any hate mail myself, but a friend of mine has because he got the killing blow on the ship, i can't remember what he said exactly i just remember a lot of swear words and us laughing a lot.
Some people take games too seriously, even those who get people banned because they said a few bad words to them... they can't do anything, so just sit back and have a laugh, and if it's too much for you there's always the Block button.
Originally posted by iCeh So tell us, what did he do?
I've heard of people going OTT on EVE after being killed, like the classic TankCEO story that invited someone to TS after he killed his cruiser that he was mining in. The guy exploded and said he was going to kill him IRL (i think it was an axe in the head), he also gave him threats on EVE which got his account banned.
Personally i think these types of people are a great part of EVE, they're comical so it's fun to kill them and get hate mail. I haven't had any hate mail myself, but a friend of mine has because he got the killing blow on the ship, i can't remember what he said exactly i just remember a lot of swear words and us laughing a lot.
Some people take games too seriously, even those who get people banned because they said a few bad words to them... they can't do anything, so just sit back and have a laugh, and if it's too much for you there's always the Block button.
Oh, what he did was very serious and involved the breaking of trust (as well as atrocious account security by an existing member) across a few games that a multi-game guild had divisions in. His ban was well-warrented.
The reason I made a note of it was to point out that taking an in-game dispute out-of-game can very easily land you on the far side of a line that will get you in serious trouble. Not knowing about the line (by assuming that the carte blanche given to scams in EVE was a blank check to do whatever you want, for example) is a very good way to find yourself without an account in short order.
Oh, what he did was very serious and involved the breaking of trust (as well as atrocious account security by an existing member) across a few games that a multi-game guild had divisions in. His ban was well-warrented.
The reason I made a note of it was to point out that taking an in-game dispute out-of-game can very easily land you on the far side of a line that will get you in serious trouble. Not knowing about the line (by assuming that the carte blanche given to scams in EVE was a blank check to do whatever you want, for example) is a very good way to find yourself without an account in short order.
So let me get this straight.
You trust strangers you meet in an online game with personal account info, IP addresses, guildwide utility accounts, and all those things?
That's the powergamer clan's biggest flaw. They are so busy gaming the game that they are too easily gamed by those who realize that you really aren't a real friend, like the ones in real life.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Originally posted by RollinDutch Oh, what he did was very serious and involved the breaking of trust (as well as atrocious account security by an existing member) across a few games that a multi-game guild had divisions in. His ban was well-warrented.
The reason I made a note of it was to point out that taking an in-game dispute out-of-game can very easily land you on the far side of a line that will get you in serious trouble. Not knowing about the line (by assuming that the carte blanche given to scams in EVE was a blank check to do whatever you want, for example) is a very good way to find yourself without an account in short order.
So let me get this straight.
You trust strangers you meet in an online game with personal account info, IP addresses, guildwide utility accounts, and all those things?
That's the powergamer clan's biggest flaw. They are so busy gaming the game that they are too easily gamed by those who realize that you really aren't a real friend, like the ones in real life.
I would say the biggest flaw is that they're not out to make friends and willfully boss people around like slaves... and then can't figure out why anyone would use personal information (given to them) against the wrong-doers after that person has been so mistreated.
Ahh, blessed are the naive for they will never see their flaws.
We can agree to disagree, or we can bicker constantly... either way, I'm right. SobaKai.com There are two types of people in this world - people that suck... and me.
Originally posted by RollinDutch Oh, what he did was very serious and involved the breaking of trust (as well as atrocious account security by an existing member) across a few games that a multi-game guild had divisions in. His ban was well-warrented.
The reason I made a note of it was to point out that taking an in-game dispute out-of-game can very easily land you on the far side of a line that will get you in serious trouble. Not knowing about the line (by assuming that the carte blanche given to scams in EVE was a blank check to do whatever you want, for example) is a very good way to find yourself without an account in short order.
So let me get this straight.
You trust strangers you meet in an online game with personal account info, IP addresses, guildwide utility accounts, and all those things?
That's the powergamer clan's biggest flaw. They are so busy gaming the game that they are too easily gamed by those who realize that you really aren't a real friend, like the ones in real life.
And your biggest flaw is that you simply read what you want to. Its usually indicitive of people who are utterly desperate to be right (none of your examples are even close though). Given that every post you make compounds ignorance with ignorance, I'm not suprised.
And your biggest flaw is that you simply read what you want to. Its usually indicitive of people who are utterly desperate to be right (none of your examples are even close though). Given that every post you make compounds ignorance with ignorance, I'm not suprised.
The only thing I have is speculation, because you are trying to cover up something.
You can't say that "getting even" by different means is a thing punishable by having one's account stripped, and have us just take it on faith. You can't say "don't cross the line," and not give any example of what the line is.
All I know is that:
1) There is someone who was employed in your corp that was a, in your own words, a "douchebag." Since I don't know what is considered a "douchebag" by you, it could be as petty as someone not taking it when you do this stuff like Cold Blade.
2) There was "something" he did. Something you are ashamed to say here, because it makes your group look stupid.
3) You change your TS password, because he is using your own TS against you. Which is only natural, because your group relys on it too much.
4) He gets booted out of EVE permanently.
Now I don't know who is in the right, and who is in the wrong here. It could be that you deserved what happened to you and the guild, because you are asses. Maybe not.
We'll never know though, because you won't say. So all I can do is guess, and have you deny whatever makes you look bad, whether its true or not.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Originally posted by SobaMan I would say the biggest flaw is that they're not out to make friends and willfully boss people around like slaves... and then can't figure out why anyone would use personal information (given to them) against the wrong-doers after that person has been so mistreated. Ahh, blessed are the naive for they will never see their flaws.
Perfectly put.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls." --Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Eve is filled with these petty little power gods that are locked into a dead end jobs in real life and think they can validate their misserable existance in an online game. "Steal Rat" springs to mind as one of these, arguably leading a very successful corp but has the common sense of a toilet seat cover, the members of his corp are too brow beaten to leave or stay in the hopes that CCP invents a skill that provides a means of instilling it in him. The list could go on and on, here are a couple more for your amusement, Semp who single handedly destroyed Tyrell, Talitha who did the same for Everlasting Vendetta, Trigger whose insight finally broke the Stain Alliance etc. etc...
My advice, drop this corp like a bad habit because they will destroy themselves eventually and its better to get out now while you're still into the game than to let them sour it for you. Find a corp thats more laid back and fun, you'll be happier in the long run.
The only thing I have is speculation, because you are trying to cover up something.
You can't say that "getting even" by different means is a thing punishable by having one's account stripped, and have us just take it on faith. You can't say "don't cross the line," and not give any example of what the line is.
You simply dont need to know specifics about that example.
Nor is it my responsibility to tell people what will get them banned. If they dont know, perhaps they should consider NOT behaving like fools to begin with.
Eve is filled with these petty little power gods that are locked into a dead end jobs in real life and think they can validate their misserable existance in an online game. "Steal Rat" springs to mind as one of these, arguably leading a very successful corp but has the common sense of a toilet seat cover, the members of his corp are too brow beaten to leave or stay in the hopes that CCP invents a skill that provides a means of instilling it in him. The list could go on and on, here are a couple more for your amusement, Semp who single handedly destroyed Tyrell, Talitha who did the same for Everlasting Vendetta, Trigger whose insight finally broke the Stain Alliance etc. etc...
My advice, drop this corp like a bad habit because they will destroy themselves eventually and its better to get out now while you're still into the game than to let them sour it for you. Find a corp thats more laid back and fun, you'll be happier in the long run.
Talitha didnt kill Everlasting Vendetta, it went on life support when Synapse and the entire PvP side of the corp left, then died when N'Fran departed. TRIGGER didnt kill Stain, losing Curse killed Stain. They stopped being relevant for a while and imploded (unless you mean the horrible abomination that is the current Stain, thats just not even worth mentioning). Youre right to leave if the corp doesnt suit you though.
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It always amazes me how much crap people will put up with from a guild/corp. That goes double in EVE where you can really screw over your former corpmates if they piss you off. It's a freaking game, you're doing the right thing by going to a group that actually enjoys their time instead of playing power-tripping games.
So just get someone you know who doesn't play EVE to be the go-between.
/shrug
Besides, if CCP is going to start policing what is appropriate and inappropriate on private Teamspeak servers, then I'm sure we can all give detailed accounts of lewd, hateful, and inappropriate conduct over them.
Besides all of that, don't you think its hypocritical to encourage the sort of plotting that is done, but when it comes to corps who use a 3rd party device to prevent the plotting aspect, then its off limits to plot?
Talk about carebear man. It sounds to me like you want CCP to solve your problems for you, when something you do ends up costing you, whining "Waaahhhh its unfair."
Seriously, if CCP did that, I have a few players myself I'd want them to kick out. But for them to step in and solve your TS problem is to me a waste of my subscription fee.
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
So just get someone you know who doesn't play EVE to be the go-between.
/shrug
Besides, if CCP is going to start policing what is appropriate and inappropriate on private Teamspeak servers, then I'm sure we can all give detailed accounts of lewd, hateful, and inappropriate conduct over them.
Besides all of that, don't you think its hypocritical to encourage the sort of plotting that is done, but when it comes to corps who use a 3rd party device to prevent the plotting aspect, then its off limits to plot?
Talk about carebear man. It sounds to me like you want CCP to solve your problems for you, when something you do ends up costing you, whining "Waaahhhh its unfair."
Seriously, if CCP did that, I have a few players myself I'd want them to kick out. But for them to step in and solve your TS problem is to me a waste of my subscription fee.
They didnt solve our voice coms problem, nuking his account and changing the global password did.
They did solve a different problem over something he did in-game.
So because you kicked out one of your people, simply kicking him out wasn't good enough? You had to petition CCP to have his account "nuked?"
I don't know what is worse. You for wanting to get the guy kicked out of EVE, or CCP for actually accepting your request.
What do I have to do to get CCP to "nuke an ex-corp members account?"
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
So because you kicked out one of your people, simply kicking him out wasn't good enough? You had to petition CCP to have his account "nuked?"
I don't know what is worse. You for wanting to get the guy kicked out of EVE, or CCP for actually accepting your request.
What do I have to do to get CCP to "nuke an ex-corp members account?"
I'm really worried about someone like you h4xxing my TS b0x if you dont know what nuked referrs to. No, really.
No man, I wouldn't do that. I don't game with TS or vent.
But I don't blame people for using the stuff they learn from being on TS against folk. In fact, I encourage it highly.
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
I've heard of people going OTT on EVE after being killed, like the classic TankCEO story that invited someone to TS after he killed his cruiser that he was mining in. The guy exploded and said he was going to kill him IRL (i think it was an axe in the head), he also gave him threats on EVE which got his account banned.
Personally i think these types of people are a great part of EVE, they're comical so it's fun to kill them and get hate mail. I haven't had any hate mail myself, but a friend of mine has because he got the killing blow on the ship, i can't remember what he said exactly i just remember a lot of swear words and us laughing a lot.
Some people take games too seriously, even those who get people banned because they said a few bad words to them... they can't do anything, so just sit back and have a laugh, and if it's too much for you there's always the Block button.
-iCeh
The reason I made a note of it was to point out that taking an in-game dispute out-of-game can very easily land you on the far side of a line that will get you in serious trouble. Not knowing about the line (by assuming that the carte blanche given to scams in EVE was a blank check to do whatever you want, for example) is a very good way to find yourself without an account in short order.
So let me get this straight.
You trust strangers you meet in an online game with personal account info, IP addresses, guildwide utility accounts, and all those things?
That's the powergamer clan's biggest flaw. They are so busy gaming the game that they are too easily gamed by those who realize that you really aren't a real friend, like the ones in real life.
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
So let me get this straight.
You trust strangers you meet in an online game with personal account info, IP addresses, guildwide utility accounts, and all those things?
That's the powergamer clan's biggest flaw. They are so busy gaming the game that they are too easily gamed by those who realize that you really aren't a real friend, like the ones in real life.
I would say the biggest flaw is that they're not out to make friends and willfully boss people around like slaves... and then can't figure out why anyone would use personal information (given to them) against the wrong-doers after that person has been so mistreated.
Ahh, blessed are the naive for they will never see their flaws.
SobaKai.com
There are two types of people in this world - people that suck... and me.
So let me get this straight.
You trust strangers you meet in an online game with personal account info, IP addresses, guildwide utility accounts, and all those things?
That's the powergamer clan's biggest flaw. They are so busy gaming the game that they are too easily gamed by those who realize that you really aren't a real friend, like the ones in real life.
And your biggest flaw is that you simply read what you want to. Its usually indicitive of people who are utterly desperate to be right (none of your examples are even close though). Given that every post you make compounds ignorance with ignorance, I'm not suprised.
So because you kicked out one of your people, simply kicking him out wasn't good enough? You had to petition CCP to have his account "nuked?"
I don't know what is worse. You for wanting to get the guy kicked out of EVE, or CCP for actually accepting your request.
What do I have to do to get CCP to "nuke an ex-corp members account?"
making a few rather large assumptions here arn't you? his post wasn't inticative of any of that.
The only thing I have is speculation, because you are trying to cover up something.
You can't say that "getting even" by different means is a thing punishable by having one's account stripped, and have us just take it on faith. You can't say "don't cross the line," and not give any example of what the line is.
All I know is that:
1) There is someone who was employed in your corp that was a, in your own words, a "douchebag." Since I don't know what is considered a "douchebag" by you, it could be as petty as someone not taking it when you do this stuff like Cold Blade.
2) There was "something" he did. Something you are ashamed to say here, because it makes your group look stupid.
3) You change your TS password, because he is using your own TS against you. Which is only natural, because your group relys on it too much.
4) He gets booted out of EVE permanently.
Now I don't know who is in the right, and who is in the wrong here. It could be that you deserved what happened to you and the guild, because you are asses. Maybe not.
We'll never know though, because you won't say. So all I can do is guess, and have you deny whatever makes you look bad, whether its true or not.
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Eve is filled with these petty little power gods that are locked into a dead end jobs in real life and think they can validate their misserable existance in an online game. "Steal Rat" springs to mind as one of these, arguably leading a very successful corp but has the common sense of a toilet seat cover, the members of his corp are too brow beaten to leave or stay in the hopes that CCP invents a skill that provides a means of instilling it in him. The list could go on and on, here are a couple more for your amusement, Semp who single handedly destroyed Tyrell, Talitha who did the same for Everlasting Vendetta, Trigger whose insight finally broke the Stain Alliance etc. etc...
My advice, drop this corp like a bad habit because they will destroy themselves eventually and its better to get out now while you're still into the game than to let them sour it for you. Find a corp thats more laid back and fun, you'll be happier in the long run.
Nor is it my responsibility to tell people what will get them banned. If they dont know, perhaps they should consider NOT behaving like fools to begin with.
Talitha didnt kill Everlasting Vendetta, it went on life support when Synapse and the entire PvP side of the corp left, then died when N'Fran departed. TRIGGER didnt kill Stain, losing Curse killed Stain. They stopped being relevant for a while and imploded (unless you mean the horrible abomination that is the current Stain, thats just not even worth mentioning). Youre right to leave if the corp doesnt suit you though.