Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
People need to understand, pre-cu can't happen
Baseline
Member Posts: 503
And the reason it can't happen now is because they have a totally different bunch of Devs working there now. All the old guys that made SWG, like Raph Koster and Co., they're all gone. All those guys are the guys that built the game we loved, maintained it and they slowly left and got replaced by these lower-paid, lower-skilled schmucks that are just hacking up and tinkering with a big machine that the other guys built.
The original guys that made this online world had no restrictions. They were told to make a great immersive star wars game. They did. And like many things in society that become successful, greedy schmucks step into new management positions of it just saliivating for dollars, and not caring about the end product and what made it great for the people. They hire cheaper hands to save some money, and they just start screwing around thinking they are right and the majority is wrong. Like that Nancy McIntyre or whatever her name is at LA. Big example right there.
This is why when you see devs respond to requests for things like putting the combat log back in, they respond with lines saying crap like they think that would be difficult. IT'S BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THERE NOW DON'T KNOW SHIT! They are just attempting to maintain and tinker with what the great ones built. They've been doing that for a while now. That is why this game has, and will continue to go down hill.
They can't put up a pre-cu server because if you're paying them money, they have to provide support. And they're not going to set up a pre-cu support and an NGE support division. They aren't stupid, they know that anyone left will go to the pre-cu server and 100K at least would come back, so they'd really just be doing a retarded version of a rollback.
So, please people, stop saying "give us a pre-cu server!". We all would love that, but you'll have to wait until you see some key people get fired. Like Julio and Ms McIntyre over at LEC.
EDIT: Oh, and a note. Please shutup about SWG EMU. One of the things that kept SWG great was the enforcement. The management might've been shit toward the end, but you can't deny that back in the day, when you had people exploiting things like resources/credits/items/slicing, they were quick to ban those people. You think you're going to have that in an EMU? Think again.
Comments
If they at some point find a viable business option to bring them back, they will, in a blink. Just like EQ.
Never say something is impossible. It's just a matter of profits. Right now, they don't see any viable option. And unlike EQ, which has a dedicated following to this day, SWG doesn't (it's much smaller), and it's also somewhat limited by LA (1 license - 1 game probably)
Have you being living under a rock ? ... or has someone dropped you on a rock,or dropped a rock on your head ???
You must be another SOE cultist...spreading lies that there will be no pre-cu,if you aint working for SOE,youve being in their company too long and you are starting to loose grasp of what is a lie.
Pre-CU is comming back,like it or not it is comming back,devs,fanbois ... anyone cant do anything about it but just try to kill the hype with "SOE lies"...
Soo I am going to give you all a good piece of advice,when you listen to such a person as baseline:
"Beware of the heretic, the mutant , the alien"
You ain't seen nothing yet.
Unless you run an emu yourself, with select audience and under strict surveilance, you'll see some behaviour which is unfathomable until you witness it.
Ever worst and most poorly run MMOs have a certain degree of respect. Free-for-all emus don't.
And just a question here: Do you think each and every person there will grind fair and square for 6 months to reach Jedi? How long do you think it will take, till first player starts wielding LS. 1 day? 2 days? 3 is kinda stretching it. How often will people get banned, or stuff get lost.
Run it yourself (hope you can afford 1 machine per planet), or don't bother, because it will kill any fond memory of pre-cu you might have had.
Can't? HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAAAA
Won't is the real answer. You spout all this "They don't know how to maintain it". That's utter B.S. They just have to put up the archived version and make sure they stay ON.
That's it.
We're not expecting them to actually FIX a damn thing at first. Hell, if they release the code, we'll run the servers OURSELVES.
It CAN happen, rather easily. It is only pride preventing it.
EDIT: P.S... you made me laugh about the "enforcement". You DO realize that it took them over a year to get a handle on the credit dupe, and they NEVER fixed the speed hack problem. But good luck with that theory.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
oooo damn... you made me go look for my tau army
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Do people post that pre-cu is impossible just to justify their own desperation with playing the crap called SWG now?
I dont get it... that is some level of denial.
"SWG was a world, now it's just a game" -adamrk-
"When the game was good, you didn't have to ask where the population was, because it was everywhere. When the game was good you didn't have to ask which server had population, because they all did. When the game was good you didn't have to beg friends to give it a try, because they were already playing. " - Salty Pete
While I agree that the current devs are incompetent losers, that does not mean that devs don't exist that could handle it.
It's even conceivable that SOE has devs right now that are learning how the Pre-CU code works.
I'm not saying that I have a source that says it's happening, I'm speaking theoretically here.
All they need are some halfway decent developers that have a decent grasp of the appropriate programming languages and some decent database developers. That and some time to go over the code and study it. If SOE were smart, they'd have people doing that right now. Once those devs have a decent grasp of the code to start putting in some fixes, they could introduce classic servers.
Any excuse saying that it can't be done is just an excuse. They could do it very easily.
Logically, it makes the most sense that what they are doing is getting NGE ready for PS3, and when they port it over, they can then release Classic SWG for PC.
Something to consider. Many people say that with how bad SWG lags and the bugs that it wouldn't work on PS3. What we might want to remember is that PS3 will have different hardware. They could have already optimized the code for a cell processor and it runs like crap on x86 architecture. It might run great on the PS3 hardware. Just something to think about.
SWG Tempest: Cardo Dycen RIP
Eve: Cardoh Dycen
I support random drug testing for all SOE employees
We're sitting in our offices thinking of ways to upset our paying customers. I think were on track to meet that goal.
John Smedley
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
Thats the one.....
"The man who exchanges Liberty for Iconic classes is a fool deserving of neither." - Me and Ben Franklin
And yes, way back in the day there were a few ways to dupe that few people knew on each server, but eventually those accounts started getting flagged for abnormal activity. For instance accounts that had 250k one day and suddenly had 150 million the next, those were flagged by SOE's system.
But man, are you frigging serious shayde? If you seriously believe that it's going to be as nice and respectable of a community as it was back in the day, you're wrong. Immature people with have nothing to fear, they will be able to double slice, triple slice, dupe anything, XP exploit, swear like it's a Carlin HBO special, anything you name it. There won't be anyone to write a ticket to.
What you're going to have is star wars skinned WoW, and I guarantee you 3/4ths of the people that loved the pre-CU atmosphere will be in for a rude awakening when they see the chaos this EMU will be.
People are putting this EMU idea up on a pedastal because they are so desperate for something like what the game used to be. This really isn't it though... Not unless these EMU guys are getting paid to make sure the game is fair. It will not be the same.
Honestly I could care less about exploits, balance, alpha classes, Macros, Afk grinding. NONE of that ever effected my game play. I don't PvP, actually I hate PvP, All I want is to have my Scout/CH character, explore the planets, lead hunting/grinding groups, and harvest resourced for crafters. As long as I can do that, I am a happy Star Wars fan.
People are putting this EMU idea up on a pedastal because they are so desperate for something like what the game used to be. This really isn't it though... Not unless these EMU guys are getting paid to make sure the game is fair. It will not be the same.
I understand what you are saying, but SWGEMU gives us something decent to play untill something good comes out.........
How ever, i think im gonna need to find a new hobby :-(, i dont know anymore, but i do know, SWG is no longer fun for me, and it seems that way for alot of other people.
It seems so boring that many of us are rellying on a bootleg version of the game to come out, with 5 people on the server at a time, and no updates/support, but for now, that seems better then SWG/NGE
Next is the comment about the original team. Heck the original team didnt know what they were doing half the time either. Smedley said it best when he said they were too incompetent to fix the game. What they need to do here is actually hire people who know the code. Since its the UO2 hand-me-down engine then go get those people.
No the reason they dont want to do a Pre-CU server or classic version is to make more money. I finally figured it out. We see it so much in everyday life. What happens when a classic server is opened in other games? Subscriptions go through the roof. But you have to do it at the right time. Do it too soon and people still remember the problems and bugs in the old version. But if you wait long enough people will forget. Oh they will remember but by then SOE has at least one month of your money. More like 3 to 12 months.
So that is why they arent doing it now. Everything points that opening them would be the best business plan for them. Yet they dont. So the reason has to be to generate even more interest in it. My prediction is next year sometime. We will see a message from them they are planning on doing it. Then after about 3 to 6 months of advertising it and totting how wonderful they are, we will get them.
Kai
I'm going to tell you exactly what you'll have when and if, and that's a big IF, if an EMU comes to life. You're going to have all of the old players that knew the old exploits coming to dominance quickly. You're going to have the exploit websites posting their archives of all of the best exploits from the previous days.
And then you're going to have guys like you. The guys who join the game thinking it'll be real nice, till you find out that you either have to become "Bill Gates" through exploits like all of the other players, or you'll probably do like most and say "f*ck it, this isn't what I thought it would be".
I'm going to tell you exactly what you'll have when and if, and that's a big IF, if an EMU comes to life. You're going to have all of the old players that knew the old exploits coming to dominance quickly. You're going to have the exploit websites posting their archives of all of the best exploits from the previous days.
And then you're going to have guys like you. The guys who join the game thinking it'll be real nice, till you find out that you either have to become "Bill Gates" through exploits like all of the other players, or you'll probably do like most and say "f*ck it, this isn't what I thought it would be".
It is good point, but here is the reality. The servers will depend on donations. It is free. And the big challenge with emulators is keeping a large enough community to make it fun. There will be a decent amount of competion for players on these servers. To keep a server population at an exceptable level, the admins will need to keep on top of this stuff, if not they will lose players. If they lose enough the server community will no longer function. The servers that will survive wil be the one that have a large community, and keep these type of siyuations from occuring. Since each server will be no more that 1-2k in size, it should be much easier to monitor this activity.
I agree that it is and will be an issue. But the fact that there will be choices for servers will help the situation alot. I have little faith in most of the servers I have seen so far, but there 2 or 3 that seem legit. Only time will tell.