Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by Ashkent Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by dabagboy I'm wondering if there is anything between Disney's ToonTown MMORPG and the full on "adult" MMORPGs?
I'm looking for an interesting "safe" game for my 12 yo daughter -- ??
Take my advice: wait at least another 2~3 years. Toontown is a great mmo for kids of age 7~10, but there really isn't an mmo suited for 10~14. I say wait till she's at least 14-15 and start an MMO then. she's too young for a real pay to play MMORPG,because mostly adults play it, unless you want her in an mmorpg world full of boys that will try to have cybersex with her, a free mmorpg isn't the best answer either.
wow, where do you people come from? thats one of the dumbest comments i have ever seen...
...you never played a free mmorpg, did you?
I've tried plenty, but what does that have to do with anything? they do it in any game, whether its free or not.
my comment was regarding your comment about making her wait 2-3 years, like thats going to prevent people from trying to have cybersex with her?
Originally posted by Ashkent I've tried plenty, but what does that have to do with anything? they do it in any game, whether its free or not.
my comment was regarding your comment about making her wait 2-3 years, like thats going to prevent people from trying to have cybersex with her?
But it's worse in some games than others, obviously.
In regards to your second paragraph, that's where her maturity and understanding comes into play. At this age it's doubtful she would handle something like that very well, but in a few years I'm sure she'll gladly tell them to buzz off. Now, since we don't know the topic creator's daughter we can't say for sure. So all in all he can be the judge of whether or not she could handle the grittier side of MMOs, and whether that's something he wants to even expose her to.
Originally posted by ciid Disneys toon town.personally i would never let any child of mine play a mmo till they were at least 17.kids need to be focused more on important things then getting to the next level in a mmo.
lol.....Yes, children and young adolescents of healthy socioeconomical families have so many things they need to focus on like; a job, paying the bills, taking care of children, taking care of the house, chores inside and outside the house..... give me a break. Let kids be kids and have fun until they are adults and have to focus on becoming self sufficient. Hopefully someone can help recommend a good mmo, while keeping their own personal beliefs aside.
Also, to totally prevent this seemingly "underworld" of cybersex that seems to be sooooo rampant....*sarcasm* the female child could totally prevent any unwanted cybersexual advance by creating a male character.
Originally posted by Trevek Originally posted by ciid Disneys toon town.personally i would never let any child of mine play a mmo till they were at least 17.kids need to be focused more on important things then getting to the next level in a mmo.
lol.....Yes, children and young adolescents of healthy socioeconomical families have so many things they need to focus on like; a job, paying the bills, taking care of children, taking care of the house, chores inside and outside the house..... give me a break. Let kids be kids and have fun until they are adults and have to focus on becoming self sufficient. Hopefully someone can help recommend a good mmo, while keeping their own personal beliefs aside. i would think making sure you do your schoolwork and keep your grades up is a pretty important thing to focus on, unless you want to end up like most of the idiots i see online these days.
Yes, but doing school work is not a full time job for a young child. A simple limitation in hours played a day (3 or so), would limit the gaming, give time for school work, some chores if she has any, and time to be social with her friends in the real world.
Originally posted by Ashkent Originally posted by Trevek Originally posted by ciid Disneys toon town.personally i would never let any child of mine play a mmo till they were at least 17.kids need to be focused more on important things then getting to the next level in a mmo.
lol.....Yes, children and young adolescents of healthy socioeconomical families have so many things they need to focus on like; a job, paying the bills, taking care of children, taking care of the house, chores inside and outside the house..... give me a break. Let kids be kids and have fun until they are adults and have to focus on becoming self sufficient. Hopefully someone can help recommend a good mmo, while keeping their own personal beliefs aside.
i would think making sure you do your schoolwork and keep your grades up is a pretty important thing to focus on, unless you want to end up like most of the idiots i see online these days. Ashkent do you think before you post?
First you don't understand when someone pointed out that teen boys and a small number of immature men are nothing I want to expose my daughter to.
Then in early July you suggest my 6th grader be "making sure you do your schoolwork and keep your grades up"? Maybe they don't have summer vacation where you come from so if not I apologize in advance.
Not everyone sits and grinds an MMO for 12 hrs / day, then posts meaningless drivel here. BTW for the record she reads about 3 - 200 page books per week while at our pool most of the summer, and her grades last year were "Highest Honors" top 10 of about 200 middle school kids so the biggest thing I have to deal with at this time of year is "Dad I'm bored"
She's pretty much mastered her favorite game the Sims2 and all the mods last year, (damn cheats and google).
She also enjoys "The Movies"....even "girl games" are hard to find for that age....but that's another topic for another website.....
I agree with Maple Story. It's a very fun, very cute game and seems to be safe for children. Of course, with any game you can only do so much to control the community.
Instead of encouraging your teenage daughter to play online games, you should start fostering her academic/social development:
1. MMORPGs are specifically designed to maximize subscription revenues; they contain activities that are very arduous ( time-sinks ) that draw time away from important academic and social activities.
2. Your child is at a critical stage in her development: Her brain is still developing, believe it or not, and holding high academic standards could actually be beneficial as it would promote intellectual activity.
3. Universities, nowadays, are becoming more and more competitive, because the number of students is growing much more rapidly than the number of universities: I have seen parents push their children into college programs at 12 years old and younger!
4. Since your child is still growing, it isn't advisable to allow her to be on the computer for more than 2-3 hours a day (average): Even if you're using an LCD, the currents that move through your computer produce EMFs that have unknown effects on human health.
If I misunderstood the ramifications of your situation and your child happens to have a debilitating condition: Let her play whatever she wants. Monitor her while she's playing if you deem it necessary.
Most children understand all that can be written about sex at that age, so that nothing she could see typed would rob her of her innocence. You can also instruct her about sexual predators and show her the various cases where it ended up in rape and murder. If your child is not mentally deficient, then this should be more than sufficient.
Good luck!
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no disrespeact to u as a parent, but she'll be in high school soon. high school is where u develop your social game. dont rob her of that. socially and how to act around people is the key to sucess.
Originally posted by dabagboy I'm wondering if there is anything between Disney's ToonTown MMORPG and the full on "adult" MMORPGs?
I'm looking for an interesting "safe" game for my 12 yo daughter -- ??
Well, I don't know if she likes superheroes, but if she does, I would think City of Heroes would be a good choice. Superheroes and comics sort of suit that age bracket (I know both my sister and I were avid comic readers at that age -- She liked Star Wars and LSH... I liked things like Avengers and X-men, but we both read each other's too). If she has any interest in comics or if she likes the X-men or new Superman movie or any of that, I'd think it would be worth a try. City of Heroes is a relatively simplistic game. You CAN spend hours working on builds, but you don't have to. They make it so you can't really screw up too badly if you make obvious power choices, so it kind of has "training wheels" for her to try things out with. Also, the controls are pretty standard, so once she gets used to COH, transitioning to the more "grown up" games shouldn't be too difficult.
I will agree with the person who suggested Saga of Ryzom that the community there is exceptional. However, how is her patience? Ryzom is a very complex, DEEP game, that requires a LOT of patience from the player. If she just wants to log in for half an hour and adventure, Ryzom's tough in that department. You can do that sometimes but, for example, I just spent an hour and a half harvesting resin to craft armor. I love that about the game but you have to be patient or the depth will just be lost on you. Also their skill system is extremely deep and complicated (you can write your own skills using parts of other skills) and again, I am not sure it is suitable for a "beginner."
I'm gonna go with COH on this one, therefore. You can make up a superhero of your own devising very easily, and hop on for half an hour at a time and run solo missions. You can solo much of the content, and so she can play it on her own if you are unsure of the community. My only caveat would be the community can be a little rough -- not in the sense of using profanity or anything, but in the sense of being (IMO) extremely newbie-unfriendly. Most of the players have been in game for a while and even most of the low levels are alts of people with level 50s. They expect people to make tight, "uber" builds and play a certain way to maximize XP gain per minute, and if you don't play that way they can get rather insulting. For this reason I simply don't even play pickup groups at all... And that is the one thing that might concern me (and I would say that I do *not* have that as a concern RE: Ryzom). But if she tells people she's new, they probably will cut her some slack... and I expect a week of soloing is all she'd need to get used to it and learn to play well. As I say, COH is an exceedingly simple game, and it doesn't take long to get the hang of it, and once you do, there's really not much that's going to change over the weeks and months as you go along. It's very 1-dimensional. That's a negative to me (as a lover of complex games and an MMO veteran) but simple is perfect for someone new to the whole arena. If she gets bored with it after 6 months because it's too simple, then you can move her on to Ryzom and she'll probably be able to adjust.
Ok. I just want to shed some light to you guys that keep telling the guy that maybe he should not let her daughter play MMORPGs. I think he, being a father, would know that their children's social life, and academic life is much more important than leveling up in an MMORPG, so I don't know why you guys are trying to educate him on this subject.
Also, I would suggest to stop suggesting any F2P MMORPGs, especially Maple Story. Not to mention I doubt a normal 12 year old who plays games like The Movies and The Sims would be interested in a game that a 5 year old would play, anyway.
Just because he is letting her daughter play a MMORPG, it doesn't mean he is going to allow her to grind 12 hours a day. Good parents know how to set limits. I have been playing MMORPGs since I was 11 years old, and I have to say I have learned more in MMORPGs than I have from school, but this totally depends on the person. I have learned how to talk, how to see from different perspectives, how not to insult people all the time, and just in general, how to be a much better person. I rarely see any other 15 year old's that type properly (no slang, curse word, and typos every other sentence). I can safely say that if I never discovered MMORPGs, I would probably not be the person I am today, and I say this as a good thing. I may be a little worst social-wise than your average Joe, but I still know how to communicate and make friends.
The OP asked for a game that would be suitable for his daughter, give him that, instead of lecturing him on how to be a parent. Though I know there are no bad intentions, but I just got tired seeing the amount of posts telling him how he should raise his daughter.
Just goes to show how naive you are: Being a father doesn't imply that you know what's best. I am sorry, but there are some parents out there that let their children drown while they play games.
The latter case would be a hyperbole, but you get the idea...
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Originally posted by //\//\oo Instead of encouraging your teenage daughter to play online games, you should start fostering her academic/social development: 1. MMORPGs are specifically designed to maximize subscription revenues; they contain activities that are very arduous ( time-sinks ) that draw time away from important academic and social activities. 2. Your child is at a critical stage in her development: Her brain is still developing, believe it or not, and holding high academic standards could actually be beneficial as it would promote intellectual activity. 3. Universities, nowadays, are becoming more and more competitive, because the number of students is growing much more rapidly than the number of universities: I have seen parents push their children into college programs at 12 years old and younger! 4. Since your child is still growing, it isn't advisable to allow her to be on the computer for more than 2-3 hours a day (average): Even if you're using an LCD, the currents that move through your computer produce EMFs that have unknown effects on human health. <snip>
(He went on and on.....)
OMG Moo or whatever you're nick is, (I'm sorry to see the M key doesn't work on your keyboard), maybe your parents can buy you a new one.
I've got news for you, sit down as this may come as a shock.
Anyway did you ever imagine that kids can actually not spend the entire day in front of their PC? I don't think it's a problem for her to spend 30 minutes a day and maybe even 2-3 hours during summer break on meaningless games? But maybe I should have asked you what that time allowance is first? I'm confident I can still foster here academic, emotional and social development.
Oh and if that EMF thing causes posts and help like yours I may need to get all the PCs/TVs out of the house.
Originally posted by //\//\oo Just goes to show how naive you are: Being a father doesn't imply that you know what's best. I am sorry, but there are some parents out there that let their children drown while they play games. The latter case would be a hyperbole, but you get the idea...
And I'm really sorry your parents were not there for you, maybe you can find another website or forum to troll. Here are some suggestions because not only do I pay attention to and love my own kids I really do feel sorry for you, I haven't quite figured out what your issues were, maybe somehow you can get the help you need to stop feeling such anger toward parents.
Can you suggest some books for her as I mentioned earlier she reads 2-3/wk and we pretty much let her read whatever she wants, sometimes I'm surprised by the topics in teen books these days. How much time should she be allowed to watch TV? How long can she talk on the phone to her friends? Should we pay her an allowance? for doing "jobs/chores" around the house? Should I tell her how pretty she is? or just concentrate on her intellectual abilities? How much pressure should we give her to continue dance? swimming? soccer? How should I punish her when she fights with her 8 yr old sister?
Oh wait that would alll be off topic so maybe you can give me your email and phone number and I can call or email you every day for your advice? I think I could really use your help.
As a social worker and an aspiring clinician currently doing his clinician hours I don't see anything wrong with having his daughter play a MMORPG. At twelve years old she is actually beyond where she will develop any serious behavior problems from a MMORPG. Whatever she will do/learn now, she'll do/learn when she's 17. From what he describes she isn't the type of person who will become disgustingly addicted to a game. It's just a casual game for her to play. If she takes it further than that I am sure he knows t make sure she gets her academic work and everything else done first. Anyways, he was not asking for anyones opinion on how he should raise his daughter. I figured i'd throw in my two cents since I saw some false information on the boards in terms of someones social development.
I'm not sure if it's still live but what about the sims online? You said she enjoyed the sims 2. If not, I agree with Maple Story and Ultima Online. Ultima is a bit more difficult of a learning curve but has a ton of things like building your own houses, decorating it, growing your own plants, lots of crafting of items. Ultima Online just has alot of other things for people to do besides hack/slash that could interest your daughter (Especially building her own house and customizing it). City of Hero's could be pretty good also since it's very easy to learn, generally a pretty good population, very cartoony and I *THINK* it has parental controls.
I played runescape when I was like 11 and loved it. The quests were fun, combat is easy, alot of people to interact with and alot of stuff to do and see.
Originally posted by Kerms I played runescape when I was like 11 and loved it. The quests were fun, combat is easy, alot of people to interact with and alot of stuff to do and see.
Originally posted by dabagboy I'm wondering if there is anything between Disney's ToonTown MMORPG and the full on "adult" MMORPGs? I'm looking for an interesting "safe" game for my 12 yo daughter -- ??
There isnt any because there is no way to moderate other players (constantly) that spout nonsense (to say the least), this applies to most if not all online games. One way could be to turn off all chats & join a ingame-guild that is consisted of other parents & kids.
Also be sure to play the mmorpg yourself first to get a general feel of the current community.
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wow, where do you people come from? thats one of the dumbest comments i have ever seen...
...you never played a free mmorpg, did you?
I've tried plenty, but what does that have to do with anything? they do it in any game, whether its free or not.
my comment was regarding your comment about making her wait 2-3 years, like thats going to prevent people from trying to have cybersex with her?
my comment was regarding your comment about making her wait 2-3 years, like thats going to prevent people from trying to have cybersex with her?
But it's worse in some games than others, obviously.
In regards to your second paragraph, that's where her maturity and understanding comes into play. At this age it's doubtful she would handle something like that very well, but in a few years I'm sure she'll gladly tell them to buzz off. Now, since we don't know the topic creator's daughter we can't say for sure. So all in all he can be the judge of whether or not she could handle the grittier side of MMOs, and whether that's something he wants to even expose her to.
lol.....Yes, children and young adolescents of healthy socioeconomical families have so many things they need to focus on like; a job, paying the bills, taking care of children, taking care of the house, chores inside and outside the house..... give me a break. Let kids be kids and have fun until they are adults and have to focus on becoming self sufficient. Hopefully someone can help recommend a good mmo, while keeping their own personal beliefs aside.
Also, to totally prevent this seemingly "underworld" of cybersex that seems to be sooooo rampant....*sarcasm* the female child could totally prevent any unwanted cybersexual advance by creating a male character.
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i would think making sure you do your schoolwork and keep your grades up is a pretty important thing to focus on, unless you want to end up like most of the idiots i see online these days.
i would think making sure you do your schoolwork and keep your grades up is a pretty important thing to focus on, unless you want to end up like most of the idiots i see online these days.
Ashkent do you think before you post?
First you don't understand when someone pointed out that teen boys and a small number of immature men are nothing I want to expose my daughter to.
Then in early July you suggest my 6th grader be "making sure you do your schoolwork and keep your grades up"? Maybe they don't have summer vacation where you come from so if not I apologize in advance.
Not everyone sits and grinds an MMO for 12 hrs / day, then posts meaningless drivel here. BTW for the record she reads about 3 - 200 page books per week while at our pool most of the summer, and her grades last year were "Highest Honors" top 10 of about 200 middle school kids so the biggest thing I have to deal with at this time of year is "Dad I'm bored"
She's pretty much mastered her favorite game the Sims2 and all the mods last year, (damn cheats and google).
She also enjoys "The Movies"....even "girl games" are hard to find for that age....but that's another topic for another website.....
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Instead of encouraging your teenage daughter to play online games, you should start fostering her academic/social development:
1. MMORPGs are specifically designed to maximize subscription revenues; they contain activities that are very arduous ( time-sinks ) that draw time away from important academic and social activities.
2. Your child is at a critical stage in her development: Her brain is still developing, believe it or not, and holding high academic standards could actually be beneficial as it would promote intellectual activity.
3. Universities, nowadays, are becoming more and more competitive, because the number of students is growing much more rapidly than the number of universities: I have seen parents push their children into college programs at 12 years old and younger!
4. Since your child is still growing, it isn't advisable to allow her to be on the computer for more than 2-3 hours a day (average): Even if you're using an LCD, the currents that move through your computer produce EMFs that have unknown effects on human health.
If I misunderstood the ramifications of your situation and your child happens to have a debilitating condition: Let her play whatever she wants. Monitor her while she's playing if you deem it necessary.
Most children understand all that can be written about sex at that age, so that nothing she could see typed would rob her of her innocence. You can also instruct her about sexual predators and show her the various cases where it ended up in rape and murder. If your child is not mentally deficient, then this should be more than sufficient.
Good luck!
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I will agree with the person who suggested Saga of Ryzom that the community there is exceptional. However, how is her patience? Ryzom is a very complex, DEEP game, that requires a LOT of patience from the player. If she just wants to log in for half an hour and adventure, Ryzom's tough in that department. You can do that sometimes but, for example, I just spent an hour and a half harvesting resin to craft armor. I love that about the game but you have to be patient or the depth will just be lost on you. Also their skill system is extremely deep and complicated (you can write your own skills using parts of other skills) and again, I am not sure it is suitable for a "beginner."
I'm gonna go with COH on this one, therefore. You can make up a superhero of your own devising very easily, and hop on for half an hour at a time and run solo missions. You can solo much of the content, and so she can play it on her own if you are unsure of the community. My only caveat would be the community can be a little rough -- not in the sense of using profanity or anything, but in the sense of being (IMO) extremely newbie-unfriendly. Most of the players have been in game for a while and even most of the low levels are alts of people with level 50s. They expect people to make tight, "uber" builds and play a certain way to maximize XP gain per minute, and if you don't play that way they can get rather insulting. For this reason I simply don't even play pickup groups at all... And that is the one thing that might concern me (and I would say that I do *not* have that as a concern RE: Ryzom). But if she tells people she's new, they probably will cut her some slack... and I expect a week of soloing is all she'd need to get used to it and learn to play well. As I say, COH is an exceedingly simple game, and it doesn't take long to get the hang of it, and once you do, there's really not much that's going to change over the weeks and months as you go along. It's very 1-dimensional. That's a negative to me (as a lover of complex games and an MMO veteran) but simple is perfect for someone new to the whole arena. If she gets bored with it after 6 months because it's too simple, then you can move her on to Ryzom and she'll probably be able to adjust.
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Also, I would suggest to stop suggesting any F2P MMORPGs, especially Maple Story. Not to mention I doubt a normal 12 year old who plays games like The Movies and The Sims would be interested in a game that a 5 year old would play, anyway.
Just because he is letting her daughter play a MMORPG, it doesn't mean he is going to allow her to grind 12 hours a day. Good parents know how to set limits. I have been playing MMORPGs since I was 11 years old, and I have to say I have learned more in MMORPGs than I have from school, but this totally depends on the person. I have learned how to talk, how to see from different perspectives, how not to insult people all the time, and just in general, how to be a much better person. I rarely see any other 15 year old's that type properly (no slang, curse word, and typos every other sentence). I can safely say that if I never discovered MMORPGs, I would probably not be the person I am today, and I say this as a good thing. I may be a little worst social-wise than your average Joe, but I still know how to communicate and make friends.
The OP asked for a game that would be suitable for his daughter, give him that, instead of lecturing him on how to be a parent. Though I know there are no bad intentions, but I just got tired seeing the amount of posts telling him how he should raise his daughter.
Just goes to show how naive you are: Being a father doesn't imply that you know what's best. I am sorry, but there are some parents out there that let their children drown while they play games.
The latter case would be a hyperbole, but you get the idea...
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OMG Moo or whatever you're nick is, (I'm sorry to see the M key doesn't work on your keyboard), maybe your parents can buy you a new one.
I've got news for you, sit down as this may come as a shock.
Anyway did you ever imagine that kids can actually not spend the entire day in front of their PC? I don't think it's a problem for her to spend 30 minutes a day and maybe even 2-3 hours during summer break on meaningless games? But maybe I should have asked you what that time allowance is first? I'm confident I can still foster here academic, emotional and social development.
Oh and if that EMF thing causes posts and help like yours I may need to get all the PCs/TVs out of the house. And I'm really sorry your parents were not there for you, maybe you can find another website or forum to troll. Here are some suggestions because not only do I pay attention to and love my own kids I really do feel sorry for you, I haven't quite figured out what your issues were, maybe somehow you can get the help you need to stop feeling such anger toward parents.
http://www.aquietshame.com
http://www.adultchildren.org/
http://www.sandf.org/
By the way......
Can you suggest some books for her as I mentioned earlier she reads
2-3/wk and we pretty much let her read whatever she wants, sometimes
I'm surprised by the topics in teen books these days.
How much time should she be allowed to watch TV?
How long can she talk on the phone to her friends?
Should we pay her an allowance? for doing "jobs/chores" around the house?
Should I tell her how pretty she is? or just concentrate on her intellectual abilities?
How much pressure should we give her to continue dance? swimming? soccer?
How should I punish her when she fights with her 8 yr old sister?
Oh wait that would alll be off topic so maybe you can give me your email and phone number and I can call or email you every day for your advice? I think I could really use your help.
As a social worker and an aspiring clinician currently doing his clinician hours I don't see anything wrong with having his daughter play a MMORPG. At twelve years old she is actually beyond where she will develop any serious behavior problems from a MMORPG. Whatever she will do/learn now, she'll do/learn when she's 17. From what he describes she isn't the type of person who will become disgustingly addicted to a game. It's just a casual game for her to play. If she takes it further than that I am sure he knows t make sure she gets her academic work and everything else done first. Anyways, he was not asking for anyones opinion on how he should raise his daughter. I figured i'd throw in my two cents since I saw some false information on the boards in terms of someones social development.
I'm not sure if it's still live but what about the sims online? You said she enjoyed the sims 2. If not, I agree with Maple Story and Ultima Online. Ultima is a bit more difficult of a learning curve but has a ton of things like building your own houses, decorating it, growing your own plants, lots of crafting of items. Ultima Online just has alot of other things for people to do besides hack/slash that could interest your daughter (Especially building her own house and customizing it). City of Hero's could be pretty good also since it's very easy to learn, generally a pretty good population, very cartoony and I *THINK* it has parental controls.
You sure?I'll bet AoC will roam with tweenies,like most all other mmo's so friends she will have atleast
But you'r right beheading and gore wouldn't do her good
What was the name of that Red Light game?
I forget
Seriously just buy her Diablo II
Also be sure to play the mmorpg yourself first to get a general feel of the current community.
Indeed, keep her away from WoW. She's too old for that.
Maybe Saga of Ryzom? Has a learning curve, but the community is nice.