The Perfect Government

cloudoffire · July 2006

Well as we all have noticed it seems as if these boards have been pretty politicaly charged lately and it had me thinking "Well if everyone is so discontent with the American government, what would they like?" So what do you guys think would be the best government?

Any idea is allowed communist, totalitarian, capitalist, anarchist, make up your own anything, just state some of your opinions why and give a general description of it.

Nihilanth · July 2006

Basically what we have in America right now with three exceptions:

I wish politicians didn't lie
We need a moderate in office. Too far either way (left or right) isn't good for anyone.
I wish we didn't always have to be at war with someone (watch the "Why We Fight" video in this forum)

Other than those 3 things, the basic principles behind the American system of government is pretty much the best out there. I just wish we actually followed it.

noname12345 · July 2006

I would like our Constitutional Republic, the way our forefathers built it, back. It was nearly perfect except for the fact that it gave the government a little too much power that became abused more and more and one thing led to another and we have a democracy/monarchy.

cloudoffire · July 2006

Originally posted by Nihilanth

Basically what we have in America right now with three exceptions:

I wish politicians didn't lie
We need a moderate in office. Too far either way (left or right) isn't good for anyone.
I wish we didn't always have to be at war with someone (watch the "Why We Fight" video in this forum)
Other than those 3 things, the basic principles behind the American system of government is pretty much the best out there. I just wish we actually followed it.

I remember seeing a thing on Theodore Roosevelt about how he was one of the greatest presidents because he was exactiacly that, moderate. He was a Hunter that approved bills for Animal sanctuarys, and if im not mistaken he was the one who built the National Park Service. And he was a soldier that won the nobel peace prize.

Spathotan · July 2006

Originally posted by AlexAmore
I would like our Constitutional Republic, the way our forefathers built it, back. It was nearly perfect except for the fact that it gave the government a little too much power that became abused more and more and one thing led to another and we have a democracy/monarchy.

Exactly. We need a damn Republic back. If government was kept in check and balanced throughout all the state levels unlike it was like you mention with to much power it would be nearly perfect.

Rufius · July 2006

I wonder if a centralist is good.

cornoffcob · July 2006

Originally posted by AlexAmore
I would like our Constitutional Republic, the way our forefathers built it, back. It was nearly perfect except for the fact that it gave the government a little too much power that became abused more and more and one thing led to another and we have a democracy/monarchy.

nah its still a republic.......we live in the imperial capitolist republic states of america........but thats too long so we say democratic republic when its really a republic there is no democratic part at all......i think a loose ended democracy would fit this country well...

cornoffcob · July 2006

....edit cuz i make a double post everytime....

Xexima · July 2006

There is no such thing as a perfect government, because people are not perfect. Although, I think that a complete democracy would be a good form of government ... either that or anarchy, but neither of them would ever work.

reavo · July 2006

Originally posted by AlexAmore
I would like our Constitutional Republic, the way our forefathers built it, back. It was nearly perfect except for the fact that it gave the government a little too much power that became abused more and more and one thing led to another and we have a democracy/monarchy.

Exactly!!!

We could have that back if the Libertarians were allowed in just one Presidential debate. I know that's all it would take. My life would be complete just to get to see the two major party candidates have to answer to Libertarian points. They would start crying on each others shoulders. It would be over for them.

And it would be a new beginning for us Americans.

noname12345 · July 2006

A Republic is representative government ruled by law (the Constitution). A democracy is a government ruled by the majority (mob rule). A Republic recognizes the inalienable rights of individuals while democracies are only concerned with group wants or needs.

I don't know if you guys fully understand what a democracy means and what it results in and the danger it presents to the people (mainly the minorities).

I agree with you Reavo, we definately need libertarians in government and office.

Xenduli · July 2006

we definately need MEXICANS in government and office.

fixed.

Boozbaz · July 2006

My perfect goverment would celebrate peace offerings by smoking pipe with other nations leaders in a giant tent. We'd also minimize the difference between the rich and the poor by making people who work bottom-line jobs get paid more, and get CEO's and managers to be paid less, until the playing feild was leveled, and the only real incentive to work as a manager or CEO would be if you truly enjoyed doing such a job, rather then the enormous pay checks.

I didn't really think this out much. Just postin'

and take some money out of military efforts and use it to make getting an education a hell of a lot cheaper.

viadi · July 2006

it would have to have these two as its leaders.... it could workout better then the likes of bush and blair

MadAce · July 2006

I'd like to have a meritocracy please.

Faemus · July 2006

Originally posted by Nihilanth
Basically what we have in America right now with three exceptions:[*]I wish politicians didn't lie[*]We need a moderate in office. Too far either way (left or right) isn't good for anyone.[*]I wish we didn't always have to be at war with someone (watch the "Why We Fight" video in this forum)Other than those 3 things, the basic principles behind the American system of government is pretty much the best out there. I just wish we actually followed it.

Good Enough for me. If those 3 things happend we'd be on the right track. The "politicians lieing" thing brings up and interesting point though. Do most of them lie because they are simply liars? Or is it because most american's couldn't handle the truth and actually prefer sugar coated speeches, buzz words, empty catch phrases?

cloudoffire · July 2006

It seems to as if lieing is the "fad" nowadays. I think we can handle the truth and its alot better to get the truth then it is to get caught in a lie. Lieing used to work years ago but now its just getting to hard to keep a lie.

MrYamamoto · July 2006

no such thing as perfect

If there was, I would ..uh........uhm....hmmm..I do not know =/

Phoenixs · July 2006

If politicians didn't lie noone would vote for them. Sad but true

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noname12345 · July 2006

Originally posted by Phoenixs
If politicians didn't lie noone would vote for them. Sad but true .

That's because inside they want power and money and that's why they went into politics to begin with. There are people who are decent but they can't get into cahoots with big corporations and so they don't get the money they need to campaign effectively. The ones who do get into cahoots then have to use their power assuming they win to pay them back somehow.

Nimuel · July 2006

Originally posted by MadAce
I'd like to have a meritocracy please.

I think that a form of meritocracy blended with democracy would be the best way to govern, and the best stateform in my opinion would be some kind of liberal socialism.

This would allow for capitalism to grow and prosper but not at the expense of people, however it is cruicial to keep the corporations, or any other groups with personal monetary interests and agendas OUT of politics.

By the way MadAce

I dont think Belgium wants to be noticed, I think they want to keep all their best beers in the world for themselves :P

Chingyz · July 2006

Originally posted by cloudoffire
Well as we all have noticed it seems as if these boards have been pretty politicaly charged lately and it had me thinking "Well if everyone is so discontent with the American government, what would they like?" So what do you guys think would be the best government?

Any idea is allowed communist, totalitarian, capitalist, anarchist, make up your own anything, just state some of your opinions why and give a general description of it.

There is no such thing as an anarchist government. Governance is a form of leadership, while anarchism means without leadership. So basically an anarchist government would be contradicting with the whole idea of anarchism.

Most people doesm't believe in anarchism or as they do most often do not understand the true meaning of anarchism. Many believe that if anarchism was the norm of society then we would all run around killing and stealing, however most fail to see that killing and stealing goes against any form of anarchism. Why you might ask.. anarchism is built on the idea that all people should be free but a person can only be truly free if they live among free people. Any act that limits another person's freedom limits your freedom, hence killing, stealing or any other wrongdoing takes away your own freedom.

All political ideaologies require all people to follow it in order for it to fully work. Liberalism require people to be able to take care of themselves, socialism requires all people to be the same and conservatism require all people to accept their societal status, all anarchism requires for it to work is that all people want to be truly free. Now which of these are most likely to be realized?

On an ending note. There is no such thing as a perfect government. People are imperfect and governance requires people so basically any government will end up being imperfect. Also power corrupts governance is power so any involved with governance will end up being corrupted. Whom are the politicians really helping? The people or themsleves?

viadi · July 2006

the problem is the term goverment we elect people to make us live our lives in there ideals weather thats the one we elected them for or not, as they are in power they say what goes on. everything what was said before is erelivent as that was when they wanted to be in power and now they have power it's diffent, if bush and blair said right we are taking our countries to war without being in power both would today be in a looney bin sadley today they still manage the country/s?

as hard as it is for normal people to realise govenence is wrong on all levels by electing someone to run our lives we surender it to them, by the same token anyone wanting power should never be allowed to gain it sure my ideals could change the world but electing me to impement them show how weak we are its why religion still rules our lives its why a rich and powerful familily stays in power its how we will never be free we could scrap the idea of goverment alltogether and just have a council on this scale local, national and international, but them that would mean we would need a united world with free energy and we all now that would never happen

viadi · July 2006

the problem is the term goverment we elect people to make us live our lives in there ideals weather thats the one we elected them for or not, as they are in power they say what goes on. everything what was said before is erelivent as that was when they wanted to be in power and now they have power it's diffent, if bush and blair said right we are taking our countries to war without being in power both would today be in a looney bin sadley today they still manage the country/s?

as hard as it is for normal people to realise govenence is wrong on all levels by electing someone to run our lives we surender it to them, by the same token anyone wanting power should never be allowed to gain it sure my ideals could change the world but electing me to impement them show how weak we are its why religion still rules our lives its why a rich and powerful familily stays in power its how we will never be free we could scrap the idea of goverment alltogether and just have a council on this scale local, national and international, but them that would mean we would need a united world with free energy and we all now that would never happen

cornoffcob · July 2006

Originally posted by Chingyz

Originally posted by cloudoffire
Well as we all have noticed it seems as if these boards have been pretty politicaly charged lately and it had me thinking "Well if everyone is so discontent with the American government, what would they like?" So what do you guys think would be the best government?

Any idea is allowed communist, totalitarian, capitalist, anarchist, make up your own anything, just state some of your opinions why and give a general description of it.

There is no such thing as an anarchist government. Governance is a form of leadership, while anarchism means without leadership. So basically an anarchist government would be contradicting with the whole idea of anarchism.

Most people doesm't believe in anarchism or as they do most often do not understand the true meaning of anarchism. Many believe that if anarchism was the norm of society then we would all run around killing and stealing, however most fail to see that killing and stealing goes against any form of anarchism. Why you might ask.. anarchism is built on the idea that all people should be free but a person can only be truly free if they live among free people. Any act that limits another person's freedom limits your freedom, hence killing, stealing or any other wrongdoing takes away your own freedom.

All political ideaologies require all people to follow it in order for it to fully work. Liberalism require people to be able to take care of themselves, socialism requires all people to be the same and conservatism require all people to accept their societal status, all anarchism requires for it to work is that all people want to be truly free. Now which of these are most likely to be realized?

On an ending note. There is no such thing as a perfect government. People are imperfect and governance requires people so basically any government will end up being imperfect. Also power corrupts governance is power so any involved with governance will end up being corrupted. Whom are the politicians really helping? The people or themsleves?

yeah your right saying that anarchism is a government is like saying atheism is a religion......................not meanin to be disin anyone chingy.....

kris1111 · July 2006

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