Good post Game. You did forget to mention that The Burning Crusade is going to be bigger than the entire live game right now. Which means twice the land to check out, twice the quest, twice the story, all that. Dosent bother me at all. And the two new playable races, Blood Elfes and Dranei.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now." Boba Fett
Originally posted by Spathotan Good post Game. You did forget to mention that The Burning Crusade is going to be bigger than the entire live game right now. Which means twice the land to check out, twice the quest, twice the story, all that. Dosent bother me at all. And the two new playable races, Blood Elfes and Dranei.
Really? last thing I heard was that the burning crusade would add only 25% of the current world
Originally posted by gnomexxx There are so many other games out there that kick WoW's butt.
Even the older ones that came before it are better. Which is understandable since WoW stole every single idea that they came up with.
Well older games may have had better "concepts" but most if not all where poorly launched and implemented. Pick any other title and look at the history and you will see what I mean.
The PvP is horrible. MMORPG capture the flag? I mean, c'mon!!!! How is that role playing? Or even slightly believable? "Oh, look they stole our flag Horde's! Let's go get theirs so they don't get any points!" Purely laughable.
So True and the fact you must wait in line to do it.
And the graphics. Woohoo!!! It's cartoon time. Oh, but you can't criticize those graphics because they are hand drawn (ahhhh) and they fit the game perfectly (oooooh). B.S.!!! I don't care if they are hand drawn, they suck. And they don't fit anything except on my television screen on Saturday morning when my kids wake up. And how many polygons per character were they allowed during development? 20?
And the sound. Anyone that has played Everquest II will tell you about sound being awesome in a game. Just the voice overs alone in EQ2 make it a better game than WoW. But EQ2 goes even further from there to finish off the kick over the cliff.
Well, thats all a matter of taste really, I am not a fan of the cartoon style either. The quality is there however. EQII is a hog of a game. It also has far to many zones. It also leads you by the nose through the zones just like WoW.
"But Gnomexxx, 6.5 million people doing the same thing can't be wrong." LOL!!!!! Okay, good point. NOT!!!
Agreed with that. The game has mass appeal because of the ease of accessability. (simplicity) You could ask a U.S. player is they think L2 is any good and they will say no but the game is currently no 2 in game pops with 1.6 million subs and at the peak almost 3 million plus. Did that mean its a good game? Depends who you ask. Westerners didn't think so. And of these 6.5 WoW players less then 30% (about 1.5 million ) are Americans.
"It's good for the casual gamer Gnomexxx." Oh really?!?!? You've got to be pretty casual and laid back to put up with what they give you after you hit 60. BORING...
WoW has casual leveling after that it has the toughest grind out there. Even harder then L2's if you plan on getting anywhere after level 60.
Oh, and btw, it's taken over 2 years for the expansion to even thought about being done. It will actually be 3 when it comes out I think. And look at what they've worked so hard to give you. Some new lands to explore while looking at a new characters butt. Oh, and you get to shove some jewels into some socketed weapons. Very original. Did they come up with that on their own?
If you are thinking of buying this game, I would recommend NO!!! I have had so many friends that have bought it and played it and now wish they had their time back they invested in it to put into another game that they can still get something out of.
It depends on your taste really. If you want fast paced Arcade fun without a whole lot hoopla, WoW is pretty good.
WoW is a great MMO but a poor RPG. It depends what you want.
I am NO supporter of WoW but the quality is there.
the games you are listing will appeal to RPG/Immersion and Sandbox/social type players not to Arcade/casuals
Saga of Ryzom Everquest II FFXI EVE Online COx DAoC Even the older games EQ, AC, AO, and others...
If you are a really into playing an MMO with depth, meaning, and a GOOD community then do not waste your time and money on this game. It's not an MMO so much as an arcade style game that is online is all.
Dear (just another) WoW hater World of Warcraft uses the same graphic style as Warcraft 3. it would only make sense to stay loyal to that graphic style. they aren't bad graphics, in fact, WoW looks great. its a graphic style YOU don't like. learn the diffrence.
Capture the flag may be bad for roleplaying, its definitly a lot of fun. and gameplay > roleplaying ANY time of the day. WoW's Capture the flag battleground works fine.
but I see your just the typical player that only looks at the endgame. World of Warcraft offers you the best experience 1 - 60, and nobody is holding you back from creating alt characters.
also, the Burning Crusade brings new proffesions, new content, a new race, and new lands to discover. thats exactly what an expansion needs to deliver, so what is your point? also, the expansion release date will be announced any minute now, its expected at the end of this year. WoW doesn't even exists 2 years yet, so what makes you think the expansions won't be here before WoW's 3rd life year?
Depth doesn't always have to mean its fun. I'd rather play a game without a lot of depth like WoW and City of Heroes but are based on fun then one of those so called mmorpgs that are based on depth such as saga of ryzom and EVE but are boring like hell.
also, this entire posts is just your oppinion, WoW is the best mmorpg out there. get used to it. proffesionals gave it an average score of 9.3, and the 6,5 million people that pay 15$ a month for it prove they were right.
WoW announced a new era in the mmorpg genre. a time where MMORPG's will be based on FUN! not on "depth" with a rediculous long learning curve. an era where MMORPG's will be released as FINISHED products, not half done like the saga of ryzom was when it released. get used to it.
Pardon me but I just had to post about this comment.
Firstly I'd like to point out that numbers mean absolutely nothing. Many of those reviews from the big name magazines were bought off and/or only covered the experience up to about the mid-30s.
You mention a game doesn't have to have depth in order to be fun? I'm sorry, but this logic makes no comprable sence. Get rid of the World of warcraft back story, get rid of arthas, get rid of the NPCs (No matter what the game), get rid of the stories, the quests, the tools, the dungeons, the cartoonish clothes. Just put an orc next to a human. Can you have fun now with your naked orc and your naked human? I honestly don't think so.
Games need content to survive. Doesn't matter the genre (even board games like risk), but you need basic content or objectives to make a game.
World of Warcraft was a slap to the face for all of blizzards loyal customers. They promised us Ritual Magic, Seige Weapons, All out battles, Hero Classes, everything that made Warcraft what it was. They didn't deliver. They hired a person from the EQ Dev Team to lead the projects for WoW who happens to only like raids.
Games like EVE and Ryzom are boring to you because you have no imagination. (Not meaning to hurt your feelings with this, some people have a really hard time coming up with content for themselves).
Tell me, with burning crusade what can you do that is "new" other than fly a new mount? I don't care to go kill another 20 birds or collect magic dust from every living thing. All you have that is new is the Eredar. Not any new classes, not any different types of quests, more raid content which drove EQ in to the ground. Tell me that I won't have to wait another year for a massive overhaul of content, which might not even deliver what people want anyway.
In other words. I want you to try and convince me that Blizzard and WoW deserves to have me as a customer. Don't point to reviews from magazines as well. Give me facts from your own experiences. I only say this because I don't think you can suitably argue that they deserve my respect. I too went "This isn't Warcraft" when I first joined.
(1997) UO --> EQ -> Runescape -> DAoC -> WoW -> EVE + WAR (2008)
Originally posted by TreborLocke Originally posted by Gameloading Dear (just another) WoW hater World of Warcraft uses the same graphic style as Warcraft 3. it would only make sense to stay loyal to that graphic style. they aren't bad graphics, in fact, WoW looks great. its a graphic style YOU don't like. learn the diffrence.
Capture the flag may be bad for roleplaying, its definitly a lot of fun. and gameplay > roleplaying ANY time of the day. WoW's Capture the flag battleground works fine.
but I see your just the typical player that only looks at the endgame. World of Warcraft offers you the best experience 1 - 60, and nobody is holding you back from creating alt characters.
also, the Burning Crusade brings new proffesions, new content, a new race, and new lands to discover. thats exactly what an expansion needs to deliver, so what is your point? also, the expansion release date will be announced any minute now, its expected at the end of this year. WoW doesn't even exists 2 years yet, so what makes you think the expansions won't be here before WoW's 3rd life year?
Depth doesn't always have to mean its fun. I'd rather play a game without a lot of depth like WoW and City of Heroes but are based on fun then one of those so called mmorpgs that are based on depth such as saga of ryzom and EVE but are boring like hell.
also, this entire posts is just your oppinion, WoW is the best mmorpg out there. get used to it. proffesionals gave it an average score of 9.3, and the 6,5 million people that pay 15$ a month for it prove they were right.
WoW announced a new era in the mmorpg genre. a time where MMORPG's will be based on FUN! not on "depth" with a rediculous long learning curve. an era where MMORPG's will be released as FINISHED products, not half done like the saga of ryzom was when it released. get used to it.
Pardon me but I just had to post about this comment.
Firstly I'd like to point out that numbers mean absolutely nothing. Many of those reviews from the big name magazines were bought off and/or only covered the experience up to about the mid-30s.
Even if it was only mid 30's, that wouldn't make a diffrence the experience up to lvl 60 is the same. the only thing that is diffrent from the rest of the game is the currend end game content. but the end game isn't even half as a big as some people would like to believe. nobody is forcing you to stick to one and only one character. it doesn't even come to a lot of "haters" mind that there are a load of races and classes that all play very diffrent. most people take advantage of that, others don't and those are the people that hate the game
You mention a game doesn't have to have depth in order to be fun? I'm sorry, but this logic makes no comprable sence. Get rid of the World of warcraft back story, get rid of arthas, get rid of the NPCs (No matter what the game), get rid of the stories, the quests, the tools, the dungeons, the cartoonish clothes. Just put an orc next to a human. Can you have fun now with your naked orc and your naked human? I honestly don't think so.
Thats not really the depth I was talking about. the Depth I was talking about is, for example, the economy of EVE, the deep crafting of Ryzom, the pvp politics of Lineage 2. now with exception of the pvp politics of Lineage 2, the first 2 features I mentioned are more deep, but also make the game more annoying, boring and increases the already long learning curve MMORPG's have.
Games need content to survive. Doesn't matter the genre (even board games like risk), but you need basic content or objectives to make a game.
World of Warcraft was a slap to the face for all of blizzards loyal customers. They promised us Ritual Magic, Seige Weapons, All out battles, Hero Classes, everything that made Warcraft what it was. They didn't deliver. They hired a person from the EQ Dev Team to lead the projects for WoW who happens to only like raids.
they can't make warcraft what it was. its an mmorpg, it will be diffrent. its not a RTS. altough I fully agree that some of those features, like the Siege weapons could be implanted. Hero classes? In what way? You mean the skills from the heroes of the previous Warcraft games? they are all in the game. you have already been playing the hero classes
Games like EVE and Ryzom are boring to you because you have no imagination. (Not meaning to hurt your feelings with this, some people have a really hard time coming up with content for themselves).
I'm sorry, but I fail to understand this sentence. the reason I didn't like EVE, was because it was so slow and the learning curve was too long. No, I'm not some kind of idiot that wouldn't understand EVE, but I don't want to sit down and spend a lot of time just learning how the game is supposed to be played.
Tell me, with burning crusade what can you do that is "new" other than fly a new mount? I don't care to go kill another 20 birds or collect magic dust from every living thing. All you have that is new is the Eredar. Not any new classes, not any different types of quests, more raid content which drove EQ in to the ground. Tell me that I won't have to wait another year for a massive overhaul of content, which might not even deliver what people want anyway.
The burning crusade is an expansion, not a revamp. It adds more of the same content. more raid dungeons, more normal dungeons, more levels, more quests, and probably a new Battleground. its simply not an expansion that will release anything new.altough it does seems the expansion will be released together with patch 1.12, which will add outpost pvp to bring pvp back to the outside world.
In other words. I want you to try and convince me that Blizzard and WoW deserves to have me as a customer. Don't point to reviews from magazines as well. Give me facts from your own experiences. I only say this because I don't think you can suitably argue that they deserve my respect. I too went "This isn't Warcraft" when I first joined.
My own experience? Alright, my first experience was simple. One look at the interface was enough to understand how the game works. there was a quest giver right in front of me who would give me my first task, and thats how the game more or less guides you trough the beautiful world of Azeroth. Azeroth was the first world where I had a feeling it was a true fantasy world. the world felt alive, lots of NPC's, diffrent area's. what I liked about WoW was that it focused on the fun parts of MMORPG's. questing, combat. I liked the "relaxing" aproach WoW took. I didn't had to spend hours and hours on an auction house to get as much money as possible. I didn't had to spend hours working on some kind of tradeskill to create items. I really liked WoW's simple crafting. I found most of my gear, be it from a quest or a mob. Crafting just added the few things you were missing. I could group whenever I wanted, or go at it solo. thats what I liked about WoW. I also really enjoyed the pvp. I don't need to have any kind of heavy rewards for pvp. I just want to pvp, its about the pvp experience, not the reward. when i noticed a member of the other faction, I could just attack him without having to worry that I would be either punished for pvp (aka L2) or be punished for losing (Like EVE or UO). just pvp, thats what I like.
Originally posted by TreborLocke Originally posted by Gameloading
Dear (just another) WoW hater World of Warcraft uses the same graphic style as Warcraft 3. it would only make sense to stay loyal to that graphic style. they aren't bad graphics, in fact, WoW looks great. its a graphic style YOU don't like. learn the diffrence.
True, but style is what its all about.
Capture the flag may be bad for roleplaying, its definitly a lot of fun. and gameplay > roleplaying ANY time of the day. WoW's Capture the flag battleground works fine.
No GL they don't. Its a tacked on - addition to the game. You must wait in line to do it. When I was playing my 60(s) I sometimes need to sit in que for 45 min to over an hour. On top of it ques are based on populations. Horde is far smaller then alliance (do to fact there are 100 of times more Night Elf rouges named Legolas then there are people in Iceland) The PvP was poorly thought out for the amount of players they have (and anticipated) While FFA is to intrusive for alot of people this sitting in line is crap.
The original idea they talked about was more in line with DAoC with an area of open warfare.
but I see your just the typical player that only looks at the endgame. World of Warcraft offers you the best experience 1 - 60, and nobody is holding you back from creating alt characters.
No, the game promotes post 60 activities. Leveling 1-60 is a linear repeat experience. In other words its a linear console style experience with little variation of play.
also, the Burning Crusade brings new proffesions, new content, a new race, and new lands to discover. thats exactly what an expansion needs to deliver, so what is your point? also, the expansion release date will be announced any minute now, its expected at the end of this year. WoW doesn't even exists 2 years yet, so what makes you think the expansions won't be here before WoW's 3rd life year?
Depth doesn't always have to mean its fun. I'd rather play a game without a lot of depth like WoW and City of Heroes but are based on fun then one of those so called mmorpgs that are based on depth such as saga of ryzom and EVE but are boring like hell.
Thats a playstyle call. So far WoW has been the only game to deliver on this but at the expence of FREEDOM of play. We traded our open virual worlds for linear fun gameplay that requires nothing more then following the NPC's instructions.
also, this entire posts is just your oppinion, WoW is the best mmorpg out there. get used to it. proffesionals gave it an average score of 9.3, and the 6,5 million people that pay 15$ a month for it prove they were right.
GL don't get into the epeen thing with 6.5 million can't be wrong. Billions of people ate at McDonalds, it doesn't make it the best food, it just makes it fast and easy to get.
You of all people know how flawed that thinking is as an ex-L2 player. Before WoW released L2 had somewhere around 3 million subs, did that mean it was the best? No, all it means is more people played that at the time then anything else.
WoW announced a new era in the mmorpg genre. a time where MMORPG's will be based on FUN! not on "depth" with a rediculous long learning curve. an era where MMORPG's will be released as FINISHED products, not half done like the saga of ryzom was when it released. get used to it.
Again playstyle. MMORPG's where originally developed with the virtual world concept in mind (UO, EQ and AC, the originators) All we are seeing now is a swing from Sandbox/Social and Roleplay/Immersive games to Arcade/Casual.
Pardon me but I just had to post about this comment.
Firstly I'd like to point out that numbers mean absolutely nothing. Many of those reviews from the big name magazines were bought off and/or only covered the experience up to about the mid-30s.
You mention a game doesn't have to have depth in order to be fun? I'm sorry, but this logic makes no comprable sence. Get rid of the World of warcraft back story, get rid of arthas, get rid of the NPCs (No matter what the game), get rid of the stories, the quests, the tools, the dungeons, the cartoonish clothes. Just put an orc next to a human. Can you have fun now with your naked orc and your naked human? I honestly don't think so.
Games need content to survive. Doesn't matter the genre (even board games like risk), but you need basic content or objectives to make a game.
World of Warcraft was a slap to the face for all of blizzards loyal customers. They promised us Ritual Magic, Seige Weapons, All out battles, Hero Classes, everything that made Warcraft what it was. They didn't deliver. They hired a person from the EQ Dev Team to lead the projects for WoW who happens to only like raids.
Games like EVE and Ryzom are boring to you because you have no imagination. (Not meaning to hurt your feelings with this, some people have a really hard time coming up with content for themselves).
Tell me, with burning crusade what can you do that is "new" other than fly a new mount? I don't care to go kill another 20 birds or collect magic dust from every living thing. All you have that is new is the Eredar. Not any new classes, not any different types of quests, more raid content which drove EQ in to the ground. Tell me that I won't have to wait another year for a massive overhaul of content, which might not even deliver what people want anyway.
In other words. I want you to try and convince me that Blizzard and WoW deserves to have me as a customer. Don't point to reviews from magazines as well. Give me facts from your own experiences. I only say this because I don't think you can suitably argue that they deserve my respect. I too went "This isn't Warcraft" when I first joined.
WoW suffers entirely from what is called "the commitee written effect" in lit classes. If you look over the history the dev teams and supporting staff has changed so many times it is ridiculous. When you keep chaning staffs you will never get a coherent product and things will be left unfinished and/or broken.
Each new group has a different focus and goal, but they can not do a complete overhaul.
The last good dev team WoW had left around the release of Dire Maul, which was over a year ago now.
Originally posted by Torak Originally posted by Gameloading
Dear (just another) WoW hater World of Warcraft uses the same graphic style as Warcraft 3. it would only make sense to stay loyal to that graphic style. they aren't bad graphics, in fact, WoW looks great. its a graphic style YOU don't like. learn the diffrence. True, but style is what its all about.
Capture the flag may be bad for roleplaying, its definitly a lot of fun. and gameplay > roleplaying ANY time of the day. WoW's Capture the flag battleground works fine. No GL they don't. Its a tacked on - addition to the game. You must wait in line to do it. When I was playing my 60(s) I sometimes need to sit in que for 45 min to over an hour. On top of it ques are based on populations. Horde is far smaller then alliance (do to fact there are 100 of times more Night Elf rouges named Legolas then there are people in Iceland) The PvP was poorly thought out for the amount of players they have (and anticipated) While FFA is to intrusive for alot of people this sitting in line is crap. The original idea they talked about was more in line with DAoC with an area of open warfare.
well I was talking about the actual battlegrounds. I really enjoyed the capture the flag battleground. WoW's honor system is indeed crap and MUST be fixed. but the actual pvp of WoW is excellent. its one of the better pvp I have seen so far. it doesn't REQUIRE skill, but it does REWARD skill. about the que's, well your right about that. I played the horde never had too much trouble, but on the same server, the alliance went trough hell getting in. Blizzard announced that cross battlegrounds between diffrent servers will be avaible in the next patch. this should fix the que issue. this is something that should have been done many months ago, but better late then never I geuss.
but I see your just the typical player that only looks at the endgame. World of Warcraft offers you the best experience 1 - 60, and nobody is holding you back from creating alt characters. No, the game promotes post 60 activities. Leveling 1-60 is a linear repeat experience. In other words its a linear console style experience with little variation of play. it is, but if we compare it to other MMORPG's we will see that WoW did it a lot better then they did. the quests are so spread out that you will be traveling over the entire world, and every quest lets you fight diffrent kind of mobs. while it still isn't perfect, its a big step in the right direction, a step other mmo's didn't take yet also, the Burning Crusade brings new proffesions, new content, a new race, and new lands to discover. thats exactly what an expansion needs to deliver, so what is your point? also, the expansion release date will be announced any minute now, its expected at the end of this year. WoW doesn't even exists 2 years yet, so what makes you think the expansions won't be here before WoW's 3rd life year?
Depth doesn't always have to mean its fun. I'd rather play a game without a lot of depth like WoW and City of Heroes but are based on fun then one of those so called mmorpgs that are based on depth such as saga of ryzom and EVE but are boring like hell. Thats a playstyle call. So far WoW has been the only game to deliver on this but at the expence of FREEDOM of play. We traded our open virual worlds for linear fun gameplay that requires nothing more then following the NPC's instructions.
also, this entire posts is just your oppinion, WoW is the best mmorpg out there. get used to it. proffesionals gave it an average score of 9.3, and the 6,5 million people that pay 15$ a month for it prove they were right. GL don't get into the epeen thing with 6.5 million can't be wrong. Billions of people ate at McDonalds, it doesn't make it the best food, it just makes it fast and easy to get. You of all people know how flawed that thinking is as an ex-L2 player. Before WoW released L2 had somewhere around 3 million subs, did that mean it was the best? No, all it means is more people played that at the time then anything else.
I don't take the 6,5 million mark as serious as many people think I do. I find the average score of 9,3 far more important and impressive then the 6,5 million player mark. the only thing that those 6,5 million prove is that the ones that gave the game that high rating were right and that the game deserves such a high score. 6,5 million people give 15$ a month to blizzard's WoW instead of another mmorpg.
About Lineage 2, lets take a closer look at that. Lineage 2 was a game that was very succesfull in the asian market, so lets take a closer look at the asian market. Asian players definitly have a diffrent opinions then most western gamers do. most asian players like the idea of working together in an mmorpg as a big group. like raids, and big pvp raids and stuff like that.
Now, Lineage 2 is known for its big castle sieges and impressive raids. and Lineage 2 IS the best game when it comes to big guild based PVP battles, or when it comes to huge raids. no other asian game gives that same experience as good as Lineage 2 does. thats why Lineage 2 is so popular, its the best at what it does.
WoW announced a new era in the mmorpg genre. a time where MMORPG's will be based on FUN! not on "depth" with a rediculous long learning curve. an era where MMORPG's will be released as FINISHED products, not half done like the saga of ryzom was when it released. get used to it. Again playstyle. MMORPG's where originally developed with the virtual world concept in mind (UO, EQ and AC, the originators) All we are seeing now is a swing from Sandbox/Social and Roleplay/Immersive games to Arcade/Casual.
well I disagree that EQ had a more virtual world concept then WoW has now, but yes, MMORPG's are changin in a way.
Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by Torak Originally posted by Gameloading I don't take the 6,5 million mark as serious as many people think I do. I find the average score of 9,3 far more important and impressive then the 6,5 million player mark. the only thing that those 6,5 million prove is that the ones that gave the game that high rating were right and that the game deserves such a high score. 6,5 million people give 15$ a month to blizzard's WoW instead of another mmorpg.
About Lineage 2, lets take a closer look at that. Lineage 2 was a game that was very succesfull in the asian market, so lets take a closer look at the asian market. Asian players definitly have a diffrent opinions then most western gamers do. most asian players like the idea of working together in an mmorpg as a big group. like raids, and big pvp raids and stuff like that.
Now, Lineage 2 is known for its big castle sieges and impressive raids. and Lineage 2 IS the best game when it comes to big guild based PVP battles, or when it comes to huge raids. no other asian game gives that same experience as good as Lineage 2 does. thats why Lineage 2 is so popular, its the best at what it does. You could argue that with WoW's success in Asia. There are, after all more Asians playing WoW then Westerners. So are their taste truely different? Or are Westerners that much more fussy??? most asian players like the idea of working together in an mmorpg as a big group. like raids, and big pvp raids and stuff like that.
Isn't this what seperates MMO's from single player games? The community, cooperation and the shared experience? (not necessarily in the form of of a raid) WoW announced a new era in the mmorpg genre. a time where MMORPG's will be based on FUN! not on "depth" with a rediculous long learning curve. an era where MMORPG's will be released as FINISHED products, not half done like the saga of ryzom was when it released. get used to it. Again playstyle. MMORPG's where originally developed with the virtual world concept in mind (UO, EQ and AC, the originators) All we are seeing now is a swing from Sandbox/Social and Roleplay/Immersive games to Arcade/Casual.
well I disagree that EQ had a more virtual world concept then WoW has now, but yes, MMORPG's are changin in a way.
Ok I concede, EQ was a bad example lol
WoW suffers entirely from what is called "the commitee written effect" in lit classes. If you look over the history the dev teams and supporting staff has changed so many times it is ridiculous. When you keep chaning staffs you will never get a coherent product and things will be left unfinished and/or broken.
Each new group has a different focus and goal, but they can not do a complete overhaul.
The last good dev team WoW had left around the release of Dire Maul, which was over a year ago now.
That is common in most games. Dev teams loose focus, change and the game ends up totally different from when it started.
You want to know why I have such resentment for WoW? Well, I'll let you know.
I used to love Blizzard. I used to play Warcraft forever. I bought Warcraft II and Warcraft III the days they came out. I played Starcraft till my eyes bled. I was a Blizzard fanboi of the highest order. And I was expecting the same quality from World of Warcraft.
I had been playing Warcraft for so long and to be able to be down in the game was absolutely exciting to me. The sights, the sounds, the story. I couldn't wait for the Warcraft in World of Warcraft.
Now I feel completely betrayed. I spent so much time trying to find that magic in the game. I saw the orcs. I saw the tauren, the troll, nightelves, and alliance humans. But they weren't Warcraft. They sucked. It was like someone dressing up as someone for Halloween. It just wasn't real.
But I kept wanting to see it. So I kept looking. I kept searching. All the way to level 60 I had my Blizzard faith going. Then at 60 I realized how much I had been led on.
I spent all that time looking for something that I thought they could deliver; that I expected them to deliver. They did use the name Warcraft in the game and use it as a basis for development after all. Are they not giving us, the loyal Warcraft players, a hint that they had us in mind? But they didn't.
And then to give us that garbage they gave us. Nothing at all new.
So, coming from being an avid Warcraft fan and a big fan of MMORPG's I thought it was going to be the perfect combination of the two. It turned out to be the exact opposite.
There. Does that maybe explain to you why some of us have so much resentment for the game? That's 100% of the problem from my perspective.
Wow, its not just me then. I really thought WoW did not use enough inspiration from its roots. It provided the races and the creeps but it seemingly forgot the rest.
I think WoW biggest problem is the sheer amount of trolls post that it creates. Take the openers post for instance. Like someone else pointed out. There are two other WoW threads, basically doing/saying the same thing you did. Which also much like the openers post, states opinions like they are fact. Just because he believe it to be true, in his mind it means it obviously is. Here's a fact for you though. No matter how bad you think WoW is. It will never be more then just your opinion. Same goes for all the fans of WoW. No matter how good you think it is. You aren't any more right or wrong then WoW haters like the opener.
The guy was right though, instead of wasting more space with this thread. You should have just made a reply in one of those other two threads.
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Dude U ARE REALLY MAD!!! IT IS A FUN GAME TO SOME PPL AND NOT FOR OTHER PPL....IT IS OUR CHOICE...SO KEEP IT TO YOURSELF ABOUT WHAT PPL ARE STUPID....PPL HAVE THEIR OWN VIEW!!!
I get just as tired of people starting threads to bash WoW as I do of people starting threads about how it's the best game EVAR. Don't get me wrong, personally I don't like the game, and if someone starts a thread going on and on about how awesome it is and how the people who don't like it all just are just jealous or whatever other silly things people say, I'll get annoyed enough to jump into the thread.
However, there's no need to START a thread bashing it. We already understand the amazing reality of the situation: some people like WoW and some don't. Can't we just leave it at that?
Originally posted by vendris I get just as tired of people starting threads to bash WoW as I do of people starting threads about how it's the best game EVAR. Don't get me wrong, personally I don't like the game, and if someone starts a thread going on and on about how awesome it is and how the people who don't like it all just are just jealous or whatever other silly things people say, I'll get annoyed enough to jump into the thread.However, there's no need to START a thread bashing it. We already understand the amazing reality of the situation: some people like WoW and some don't. Can't we just leave it at that?
Exactly. Its been done and done to death. Its being done to death as we speak. Blizzard didn't personally set out to betray anyone. All it comes down to is your Vision(TM) or their Vision(TM), because they own the rights to the game and actually went out and paid people to go make it, its their Vision(TM) that gets implemented and not yours.
On a slightly different note, I find most sandboxes too barren and restrictive to actually be any fun. Its like having the worst of both worlds. They don't offer interesting linear gameplay but don't offer me enough creative control to actually make it awe-inspiring.
Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by gnomexxx There are so many other games out there that kick WoW's butt.
Even the older ones that came before it are better. Which is understandable since WoW stole every single idea that they came up with.
The PvP is horrible. MMORPG capture the flag? I mean, c'mon!!!! How is that role playing? Or even slightly believable? "Oh, look they stole our flag Horde's! Let's go get theirs so they don't get any points!" Purely laughable.
And the graphics. Woohoo!!! It's cartoon time. Oh, but you can't criticize those graphics because they are hand drawn (ahhhh) and they fit the game perfectly (oooooh). B.S.!!! I don't care if they are hand drawn, they suck. And they don't fit anything except on my television screen on Saturday morning when my kids wake up. And how many polygons per character were they allowed during development? 20?
And the sound. Anyone that has played Everquest II will tell you about sound being awesome in a game. Just the voice overs alone in EQ2 make it a better game than WoW. But EQ2 goes even further from there to finish off the kick over the cliff.
"But Gnomexxx, 6.5 million people doing the same thing can't be wrong." LOL!!!!! Okay, good point. NOT!!!
"It's good for the casual gamer Gnomexxx." Oh really?!?!? You've got to be pretty casual and laid back to put up with what they give you after you hit 60. BORING...
Oh, and btw, it's taken over 2 years for the expansion to even thought about being done. It will actually be 3 when it comes out I think. And look at what they've worked so hard to give you. Some new lands to explore while looking at a new characters butt. Oh, and you get to shove some jewels into some socketed weapons. Very original. Did they come up with that on their own?
If you are thinking of buying this game, I would recommend NO!!! I have had so many friends that have bought it and played it and now wish they had their time back they invested in it to put into another game that they can still get something out of.
Saga of Ryzom Everquest II FFXI EVE Online COx DAoC Even the older games EQ, AC, AO, and others...
If you are a really into playing an MMO with depth, meaning, and a GOOD community then do not waste your time and money on this game. It's not an MMO so much as an arcade style game that is online is all.
Dear (just another) WoW hater World of Warcraft uses the same graphic style as Warcraft 3. it would only make sense to stay loyal to that graphic style. they aren't bad graphics, in fact, WoW looks great. its a graphic style YOU don't like. learn the diffrence.
I don't like the graphics style. It's a cartoon graphic style. When playing a top down RTS game, it's fine. I understand it in that situation. But Warcraft II was an advancement in graphics over Warcraft I. Warcraft III was a graphics advancement over Warcraft II. I expected the same kind of advancements to be made in the next progression of the franchise. They are bad graphics and I don't like them or I wouldn't have said they aren't good. That's my opinion and I stated so in my post. If you can't read and understand what people say because of YOUR biased opinion then YOU learn to differentiate.
Capture the flag may be bad for roleplaying, its definitly a lot of fun. and gameplay > roleplaying ANY time of the day. WoW's Capture the flag battleground works fine.
Capture the flag IS bad for roleplaying. This is a mmoRPG. Or it alledges to be at least. If I want to play capture the flag there are plenty of other games out there that offer it with much better options and much better game play. I really don't want to play it with the toon suits on to a Gnome doing a mock booty hump dance. It makes no sense to a roleplayer. So deal with it.
but I see your just the typical player that only looks at the endgame. World of Warcraft offers you the best experience 1 - 60, and nobody is holding you back from creating alt characters.
I'm a long time MMORPG player. I look forward to end game to get to do the more fun stuff with the advanced players who have been playing for a while. That is what I expected Blizzard to deliver to me. They failed. They wasted my time. And if you expect me to go back and play through things like Barrens chat again, then I'll just leave that up to you. I've got better things to do with my time. Like play my characters I have been having fun with for YEARS in other games. Not just get to end game and ditch them. I've become attached to them. Something I never felt to my characters in WoW. I don't even remember my characters name in WoW. I still remember my characters names and even the personalities they had from UO, EQ, and AO. Yeah, that long ago and I still have a place in my heart for them. My WoW are like trash in the can now that got picked up a long time ago.
also, the Burning Crusade brings new proffesions, new content, a new race, and new lands to discover. thats exactly what an expansion needs to deliver, so what is your point? also, the expansion release date will be announced any minute now, its expected at the end of this year. WoW doesn't even exists 2 years yet, so what makes you think the expansions won't be here before WoW's 3rd life year?
Burning Crusade offers you nothing of importance or fun. New professions, blah. The crafting sucked anyways. Everyone was progressing in it and it didn't mean anything so what does it matter? And you get too look a new races ass as it runs through the same classes as before. They made a new character model. Oh joy. New land and new content???? Who doesn't offer that in an expansion. Duh. Point is, they are offering nothing unique, just like in the first release. And you just keep on lapping it up. Or I guess you're a defender of people offering half ass junk and stealing other peoples ideas. That's what you're doing.
Depth doesn't always have to mean its fun. I'd rather play a game without a lot of depth like WoW and City of Heroes but are based on fun then one of those so called mmorpgs that are based on depth such as saga of ryzom and EVE but are boring like hell.
NO but depth and complexity mean thought and engineering went into the game. Which means you're not sitting there playing a mindless game of push button. You can actually engage yourself in a thought process of developing a character that fits you and your personality well. Not some cookie cutter class that everyone else has or expects you to have when you join a group. I guess with the limited number of classes they have to offer you, you would enjoy that mindless gameplay though. There's also this thing called uniqueness that some of us have come to expect from a game company before we offer them our respect. I'm sorry, but I just don't care to much for a company that stole ideas from other companies and then repackaged it as their own.
also, this entire posts is just your oppinion, WoW is the best mmorpg out there. get used to it. proffesionals gave it an average score of 9.3, and the 6,5 million people that pay 15$ a month for it prove they were right.
Professionals? Bleh. Never have cared what they say, never will. I will make up my own mind. I don't need the guidance of someone to pick out my games for me or the support of a large group of people then telling me that I made the right decision because we're all doing something together. Weak. You can have your 6.5 million people. I hope you learn to grow out of that mindset someday though, or you're going to get taken advantage of left and right. It's a symbolic gesture on your part to use that argument and believe it actually means something.
WoW announced a new era in the mmorpg genre. a time where MMORPG's will be based on FUN! not on "depth" with a rediculous long learning curve. an era where MMORPG's will be released as FINISHED products, not half done like the saga of ryzom was when it released. get used to it.
Never will I get used to it. I will quit playing games before then. I enjoy complicated gameplay and depth in my games. If you want to play games that don't have any depth or thought to them then go right ahead, but when the market starts spewing that crap at you from now on don't start complaining. I'll be somewhere doing something with some intellectual capacity to it. Not chasing someone who has my flag before they run across my home base. I keep waiting for the game to give me a "HEAD SHOT" voice over. OH, that's right this isn't Unreal Tournie, it's WoW Tournie. Hahahahaha....
Dear just another World of Warcraft fanboi (and self-appointed defender of toons), read above...
You want to know why I have such resentment for WoW? Well, I'll let you know.
I used to love Blizzard. I used to play Warcraft forever. I bought Warcraft II and Warcraft III the days they came out. I played Starcraft till my eyes bled. I was a Blizzard fanboi of the highest order. And I was expecting the same quality from World of Warcraft. I had been playing Warcraft for so long and to be able to be down in the game was absolutely exciting to me. The sights, the sounds, the story. I couldn't wait for the Warcraft in World of Warcraft. Now I feel completely betrayed. I spent so much time trying to find that magic in the game. I saw the orcs. I saw the tauren, the troll, nightelves, and alliance humans. But they weren't Warcraft. They sucked. It was like someone dressing up as someone for Halloween. It just wasn't real. But I kept wanting to see it. So I kept looking. I kept searching. All the way to level 60 I had my Blizzard faith going. Then at 60 I realized how much I had been led on. I spent all that time looking for something that I thought they could deliver; that I expected them to deliver. They did use the name Warcraft in the game and use it as a basis for development after all. Are they not giving us, the loyal Warcraft players, a hint that they had us in mind? But they didn't. And then to give us that garbage they gave us. Nothing at all new. So, coming from being an avid Warcraft fan and a big fan of MMORPG's I thought it was going to be the perfect combination of the two. It turned out to be the exact opposite. There. Does that maybe explain to you why some of us have so much resentment for the game? That's 100% of the problem from my perspective.
Wow, its not just me then. I really thought WoW did not use enough inspiration from its roots. It provided the races and the creeps but it seemingly forgot the rest.
Exactly.
There's no "Warcraft" in Worlds of Warcraft. The models are there but that's it. The gameplay is horrible. And I don't see how it could appeal to anyone who was a fan of the RTS games.
BTW, what happened to Starcraft Ghost? I was looking forward to that too. Now it seems Blizzard has given up on that game as well. I guess they go where the money is and forget about us that put them where they could get to today.
And people wonder why we feel betrayed.
Oh well, they can have their teen market of WoW players. More power to them. They may actually be right, those people will soon be 20 somethings buying games I guess. I just hope they mature out of that gamestyle for the sake of gaming in general. Or I don't see myself gaming for too much longer.
I, as a casual gamer, also believe WoW is the best MMORPG out there. Just because it is the only one I'd even consider playing. It was fun until I reached about lvl50 with my shaman and started noticing the shift... Time spent playing went up tremendously, besides I had not much to look forward to . So, I cancelled my account right away.
WoW is a successful MMORPG because it copied the best of every other game with only one and fateful exception...
Originally posted by gnomexxx Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by gnomexxx There are so many other games out there that kick WoW's butt.
Even the older ones that came before it are better. Which is understandable since WoW stole every single idea that they came up with.
The PvP is horrible. MMORPG capture the flag? I mean, c'mon!!!! How is that role playing? Or even slightly believable? "Oh, look they stole our flag Horde's! Let's go get theirs so they don't get any points!" Purely laughable.
And the graphics. Woohoo!!! It's cartoon time. Oh, but you can't criticize those graphics because they are hand drawn (ahhhh) and they fit the game perfectly (oooooh). B.S.!!! I don't care if they are hand drawn, they suck. And they don't fit anything except on my television screen on Saturday morning when my kids wake up. And how many polygons per character were they allowed during development? 20?
And the sound. Anyone that has played Everquest II will tell you about sound being awesome in a game. Just the voice overs alone in EQ2 make it a better game than WoW. But EQ2 goes even further from there to finish off the kick over the cliff.
"But Gnomexxx, 6.5 million people doing the same thing can't be wrong." LOL!!!!! Okay, good point. NOT!!!
"It's good for the casual gamer Gnomexxx." Oh really?!?!? You've got to be pretty casual and laid back to put up with what they give you after you hit 60. BORING...
Oh, and btw, it's taken over 2 years for the expansion to even thought about being done. It will actually be 3 when it comes out I think. And look at what they've worked so hard to give you. Some new lands to explore while looking at a new characters butt. Oh, and you get to shove some jewels into some socketed weapons. Very original. Did they come up with that on their own?
If you are thinking of buying this game, I would recommend NO!!! I have had so many friends that have bought it and played it and now wish they had their time back they invested in it to put into another game that they can still get something out of.
Saga of Ryzom Everquest II FFXI EVE Online COx DAoC Even the older games EQ, AC, AO, and others...
If you are a really into playing an MMO with depth, meaning, and a GOOD community then do not waste your time and money on this game. It's not an MMO so much as an arcade style game that is online is all.
Dear (just another) WoW hater World of Warcraft uses the same graphic style as Warcraft 3. it would only make sense to stay loyal to that graphic style. they aren't bad graphics, in fact, WoW looks great. its a graphic style YOU don't like. learn the diffrence.
I don't like the graphics style. It's a cartoon graphic style. When playing a top down RTS game, it's fine. I understand it in that situation. But Warcraft II was an advancement in graphics over Warcraft I. Warcraft III was a graphics advancement over Warcraft II. I expected the same kind of advancements to be made in the next progression of the franchise. They are bad graphics and I don't like them or I wouldn't have said they aren't good. That's my opinion and I stated so in my post. If you can't read and understand what people say because of YOUR biased opinion then YOU learn to differentiate.
Look at the part of the post I made green. you CLEARLY write and act like its a fact, which is not the case. if you meant it as an opinion, then you might want to add words like :"I think" "I find" or "In my opinion". because trust me, its your typing skills that are at fault here, not my ability to read. WoW IS an improvement over Warcraft's 3 graphics.
Capture the flag may be bad for roleplaying, its definitly a lot of fun. and gameplay > roleplaying ANY time of the day. WoW's Capture the flag battleground works fine.
Capture the flag IS bad for roleplaying. This is a mmoRPG. Or it alledges to be at least. If I want to play capture the flag there are plenty of other games out there that offer it with much better options and much better game play. I really don't want to play it with the toon suits on to a Gnome doing a mock booty hump dance. It makes no sense to a roleplayer. So deal with it.
oh bohoo, poor roleplayers. like I said, gameplay over roleplaying any time. this is the first time MMORPG players can play Capture the flag in an mmorpg, and its a lot of fun. I'm very glad Blizzard listens to the people who just want to have fun playing then a bunch of roleplayers.
but I see your just the typical player that only looks at the endgame. World of Warcraft offers you the best experience 1 - 60, and nobody is holding you back from creating alt characters.
I'm a long time MMORPG player. I look forward to end game to get to do the more fun stuff with the advanced players who have been playing for a while. That is what I expected Blizzard to deliver to me. They failed. They wasted my time. And if you expect me to go back and play through things like Barrens chat again, then I'll just leave that up to you. I've got better things to do with my time. Like play my characters I have been having fun with for YEARS in other games. Not just get to end game and ditch them. I've become attached to them. Something I never felt to my characters in WoW. I don't even remember my characters name in WoW. I still remember my characters names and even the personalities they had from UO, EQ, and AO. Yeah, that long ago and I still have a place in my heart for them. My WoW are like trash in the can now that got picked up a long time ago.
also, the Burning Crusade brings new proffesions, new content, a new race, and new lands to discover. thats exactly what an expansion needs to deliver, so what is your point? also, the expansion release date will be announced any minute now, its expected at the end of this year. WoW doesn't even exists 2 years yet, so what makes you think the expansions won't be here before WoW's 3rd life year?
Burning Crusade offers you nothing of importance or fun. New professions, blah. The crafting sucked anyways. Everyone was progressing in it and it didn't mean anything so what does it matter? And you get too look a new races ass as it runs through the same classes as before. They made a new character model. Oh joy. New land and new content???? Who doesn't offer that in an expansion. Duh. Point is, they are offering nothing unique, just like in the first release. And you just keep on lapping it up. Or I guess you're a defender of people offering half ass junk and stealing other peoples ideas. That's what you're doing.
Like I said, its EXPANSION, not a REVAMP. it offers more of the same content, and what they have shown so far look very impressive. oh they steal other people's idea, mind you that Blizzard have said from the start they will take all the good things from other MMORPG's, improve it and make it into a warcraft theme. and they have been succesfull at that.
Depth doesn't always have to mean its fun. I'd rather play a game without a lot of depth like WoW and City of Heroes but are based on fun then one of those so called mmorpgs that are based on depth such as saga of ryzom and EVE but are boring like hell.
NO but depth and complexity mean thought and engineering went into the game. Which means you're not sitting there playing a mindless game of push button. You can actually engage yourself in a thought process of developing a character that fits you and your personality well. Not some cookie cutter class that everyone else has or expects you to have when you join a group. I guess with the limited number of classes they have to offer you, you would enjoy that mindless gameplay though. There's also this thing called uniqueness that some of us have come to expect from a game company before we offer them our respect. I'm sorry, but I just don't care to much for a company that stole ideas from other companies and then repackaged it as their own.
also, this entire posts is just your oppinion, WoW is the best mmorpg out there. get used to it. proffesionals gave it an average score of 9.3, and the 6,5 million people that pay 15$ a month for it prove they were right.
Professionals? Bleh. Never have cared what they say, never will. I will make up my own mind. I don't need the guidance of someone to pick out my games for me or the support of a large group of people then telling me that I made the right decision because we're all doing something together. Weak. You can have your 6.5 million people. I hope you learn to grow out of that mindset someday though, or you're going to get taken advantage of left and right. It's a symbolic gesture on your part to use that argument and believe it actually means something.
you don't care, and you make up your mind. good for you, thats how everbody should be. But I am talking about the fact that they know what they are talking about, and gave WoW a high score. the 6,5 million mark only proves that they were right, or else they wouldn't pay 15$ a month for it. you don't like WoW, good for you. don't play it. I don't play it anymore either, but that does NOT take away WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there
WoW announced a new era in the mmorpg genre. a time where MMORPG's will be based on FUN! not on "depth" with a rediculous long learning curve. an era where MMORPG's will be released as FINISHED products, not half done like the saga of ryzom was when it released. get used to it.
Never will I get used to it. I will quit playing games before then. I enjoy complicated gameplay and depth in my games. If you want to play games that don't have any depth or thought to them then go right ahead, but when the market starts spewing that crap at you from now on don't start complaining. I'll be somewhere doing something with some intellectual capacity to it. Not chasing someone who has my flag before they run across my home base. I keep waiting for the game to give me a "HEAD SHOT" voice over. OH, that's right this isn't Unreal Tournie, it's WoW Tournie. Hahahahaha....
Dear just another World of Warcraft fanboi (and self-appointed defender of toons), read above...
a fanboi? thats rich. I defend WoW because it deserves it. that does not make me a fanboi, a fanboi would still be playing the game.
Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by gnomexxx Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by gnomexxx There are so many other games out there that kick WoW's butt.
Even the older ones that came before it are better. Which is understandable since WoW stole every single idea that they came up with.
The PvP is horrible. MMORPG capture the flag? I mean, c'mon!!!! How is that role playing? Or even slightly believable? "Oh, look they stole our flag Horde's! Let's go get theirs so they don't get any points!" Purely laughable.
And the graphics. Woohoo!!! It's cartoon time. Oh, but you can't criticize those graphics because they are hand drawn (ahhhh) and they fit the game perfectly (oooooh). B.S.!!! I don't care if they are hand drawn, they suck. And they don't fit anything except on my television screen on Saturday morning when my kids wake up. And how many polygons per character were they allowed during development? 20?
And the sound. Anyone that has played Everquest II will tell you about sound being awesome in a game. Just the voice overs alone in EQ2 make it a better game than WoW. But EQ2 goes even further from there to finish off the kick over the cliff.
"But Gnomexxx, 6.5 million people doing the same thing can't be wrong." LOL!!!!! Okay, good point. NOT!!!
"It's good for the casual gamer Gnomexxx." Oh really?!?!? You've got to be pretty casual and laid back to put up with what they give you after you hit 60. BORING...
Oh, and btw, it's taken over 2 years for the expansion to even thought about being done. It will actually be 3 when it comes out I think. And look at what they've worked so hard to give you. Some new lands to explore while looking at a new characters butt. Oh, and you get to shove some jewels into some socketed weapons. Very original. Did they come up with that on their own?
If you are thinking of buying this game, I would recommend NO!!! I have had so many friends that have bought it and played it and now wish they had their time back they invested in it to put into another game that they can still get something out of.
Saga of Ryzom Everquest II FFXI EVE Online COx DAoC Even the older games EQ, AC, AO, and others...
If you are a really into playing an MMO with depth, meaning, and a GOOD community then do not waste your time and money on this game. It's not an MMO so much as an arcade style game that is online is all.
Dear (just another) WoW hater World of Warcraft uses the same graphic style as Warcraft 3. it would only make sense to stay loyal to that graphic style. they aren't bad graphics, in fact, WoW looks great. its a graphic style YOU don't like. learn the diffrence.
I don't like the graphics style. It's a cartoon graphic style. When playing a top down RTS game, it's fine. I understand it in that situation. But Warcraft II was an advancement in graphics over Warcraft I. Warcraft III was a graphics advancement over Warcraft II. I expected the same kind of advancements to be made in the next progression of the franchise. They are bad graphics and I don't like them or I wouldn't have said they aren't good. That's my opinion and I stated so in my post. If you can't read and understand what people say because of YOUR biased opinion then YOU learn to differentiate.
Look at the part of the post I made green. you CLEARLY write and act like its a fact, which is not the case. if you meant it as an opinion, then you might want to add words like :"I think" "I find" or "In my opinion". because trust me, its your typing skills that are at fault here, not my ability to read. WoW IS an improvement over Warcraft's 3 graphics.
Okay, BrainLoading, you go back and read what you highlighted green. It says, "I don't care..." Let me repeat, "I don't care..." Does it say "Most people don't care..."? Does it say, "A lot of people don't care..."? NO, it says I. Before you take it upon yourself to critique others writing skills, why don't you critique your analytical skills. I guess that's why someone like you would pick a game like WoW though.
Capture the flag may be bad for roleplaying, its definitly a lot of fun. and gameplay > roleplaying ANY time of the day. WoW's Capture the flag battleground works fine.
Capture the flag IS bad for roleplaying. This is a mmoRPG. Or it alledges to be at least. If I want to play capture the flag there are plenty of other games out there that offer it with much better options and much better game play. I really don't want to play it with the toon suits on to a Gnome doing a mock booty hump dance. It makes no sense to a roleplayer. So deal with it.
oh bohoo, poor roleplayers. like I said, gameplay over roleplaying any time. this is the first time MMORPG players can play Capture the flag in an mmorpg, and its a lot of fun. I'm very glad Blizzard listens to the people who just want to have fun playing then a bunch of roleplayers.
Yeah, Blizzard is listening to you. And mostly what they hear is, "uuuuhhhhh, aaaaaaaahhhhhh, droooooool, mommmmmmy, it says I need more playtime." I did not write this post to try to convince someone who enjoys WoW not to play anymore. I wrote it to warn people who may be playing other MMO's and might be thinking about playing this one. I gotta keep my brothers clean in the game. If someone has been playing Everquest, or DAoC, or AO, or any of those prior to WoW games and is looking for something else along those lines, they are the target of my post. I could care less if you like having a drool fest with 6 million other people dressed up like orc and taurens who say "roleplaying doesn't matter."
but I see your just the typical player that only looks at the endgame. World of Warcraft offers you the best experience 1 - 60, and nobody is holding you back from creating alt characters.
I'm a long time MMORPG player. I look forward to end game to get to do the more fun stuff with the advanced players who have been playing for a while. That is what I expected Blizzard to deliver to me. They failed. They wasted my time. And if you expect me to go back and play through things like Barrens chat again, then I'll just leave that up to you. I've got better things to do with my time. Like play my characters I have been having fun with for YEARS in other games. Not just get to end game and ditch them. I've become attached to them. Something I never felt to my characters in WoW. I don't even remember my characters name in WoW. I still remember my characters names and even the personalities they had from UO, EQ, and AO. Yeah, that long ago and I still have a place in my heart for them. My WoW are like trash in the can now that got picked up a long time ago.
also, the Burning Crusade brings new proffesions, new content, a new race, and new lands to discover. thats exactly what an expansion needs to deliver, so what is your point? also, the expansion release date will be announced any minute now, its expected at the end of this year. WoW doesn't even exists 2 years yet, so what makes you think the expansions won't be here before WoW's 3rd life year?
Burning Crusade offers you nothing of importance or fun. New professions, blah. The crafting sucked anyways. Everyone was progressing in it and it didn't mean anything so what does it matter? And you get too look a new races ass as it runs through the same classes as before. They made a new character model. Oh joy. New land and new content???? Who doesn't offer that in an expansion. Duh. Point is, they are offering nothing unique, just like in the first release. And you just keep on lapping it up. Or I guess you're a defender of people offering half ass junk and stealing other peoples ideas. That's what you're doing.
Like I said, its EXPANSION, not a REVAMP. it offers more of the same content, and what they have shown so far look very impressive. oh they steal other people's idea, mind you that Blizzard have said from the start they will take all the good things from other MMORPG's, improve it and make it into a warcraft theme. and they have been succesfull at that.
What they've shown so far is they can't come up with an original idea to offer up. So what if they admitted it from the start. That redeems them for stealing. Because they admitted it they're cleared from the charges. That's about as silly an argument as 6 million people doing the same thing are right.
Depth doesn't always have to mean its fun. I'd rather play a game without a lot of depth like WoW and City of Heroes but are based on fun then one of those so called mmorpgs that are based on depth such as saga of ryzom and EVE but are boring like hell.
NO but depth and complexity mean thought and engineering went into the game. Which means you're not sitting there playing a mindless game of push button. You can actually engage yourself in a thought process of developing a character that fits you and your personality well. Not some cookie cutter class that everyone else has or expects you to have when you join a group. I guess with the limited number of classes they have to offer you, you would enjoy that mindless gameplay though. There's also this thing called uniqueness that some of us have come to expect from a game company before we offer them our respect. I'm sorry, but I just don't care to much for a company that stole ideas from other companies and then repackaged it as their own.
also, this entire posts is just your oppinion, WoW is the best mmorpg out there. get used to it. proffesionals gave it an average score of 9.3, and the 6,5 million people that pay 15$ a month for it prove they were right.
Professionals? Bleh. Never have cared what they say, never will. I will make up my own mind. I don't need the guidance of someone to pick out my games for me or the support of a large group of people then telling me that I made the right decision because we're all doing something together. Weak. You can have your 6.5 million people. I hope you learn to grow out of that mindset someday though, or you're going to get taken advantage of left and right. It's a symbolic gesture on your part to use that argument and believe it actually means something.
you don't care, and you make up your mind. good for you, thats how everbody should be. But I am talking about the fact that they know what they are talking about, and gave WoW a high score. the 6,5 million mark only proves that they were right, or else they wouldn't pay 15$ a month for it. you don't like WoW, good for you. don't play it. I don't play it anymore either, but that does NOT take away WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there
Yes it does. I don't like it, so yes it does. And me and my opinion means more to me than any game reviewer or 6 million people playing a game. And I bet my opinion means more to someone who has a history of loving the MMORPG genre and is looking for something along those lines with some new ideas and intriguing things to do.
WoW announced a new era in the mmorpg genre. a time where MMORPG's will be based on FUN! not on "depth" with a rediculous long learning curve. an era where MMORPG's will be released as FINISHED products, not half done like the saga of ryzom was when it released. get used to it.
Never will I get used to it. I will quit playing games before then. I enjoy complicated gameplay and depth in my games. If you want to play games that don't have any depth or thought to them then go right ahead, but when the market starts spewing that crap at you from now on don't start complaining. I'll be somewhere doing something with some intellectual capacity to it. Not chasing someone who has my flag before they run across my home base. I keep waiting for the game to give me a "HEAD SHOT" voice over. OH, that's right this isn't Unreal Tournie, it's WoW Tournie. Hahahahaha....
Dear just another World of Warcraft fanboi (and self-appointed defender of toons), read above...
a fanboi? thats rich. I defend WoW because it deserves it. that does not make me a fanboi, a fanboi would still be playing the game.
You say you're not playing it anymore. But aren't you?
Come now. It's not that bad. It has the pvp, crafting, err...
But yeah, they're not that well done and if you want something proper then this won't rock your world.
Also true about the chat and community sucking arse. I usually just closed the chat windows and that helped a bit. Only if they'd add an open pvp system... mmm. Could show how I feel about them "trains" made of naked players.
Originally posted by gnomexxx Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by gnomexxx Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by gnomexxx There are so many other games out there that kick WoW's butt.
Even the older ones that came before it are better. Which is understandable since WoW stole every single idea that they came up with.
The PvP is horrible. MMORPG capture the flag? I mean, c'mon!!!! How is that role playing? Or even slightly believable? "Oh, look they stole our flag Horde's! Let's go get theirs so they don't get any points!" Purely laughable.
And the graphics. Woohoo!!! It's cartoon time. Oh, but you can't criticize those graphics because they are hand drawn (ahhhh) and they fit the game perfectly (oooooh). B.S.!!! I don't care if they are hand drawn, they suck. And they don't fit anything except on my television screen on Saturday morning when my kids wake up. And how many polygons per character were they allowed during development? 20?
And the sound. Anyone that has played Everquest II will tell you about sound being awesome in a game. Just the voice overs alone in EQ2 make it a better game than WoW. But EQ2 goes even further from there to finish off the kick over the cliff.
"But Gnomexxx, 6.5 million people doing the same thing can't be wrong." LOL!!!!! Okay, good point. NOT!!!
"It's good for the casual gamer Gnomexxx." Oh really?!?!? You've got to be pretty casual and laid back to put up with what they give you after you hit 60. BORING...
Oh, and btw, it's taken over 2 years for the expansion to even thought about being done. It will actually be 3 when it comes out I think. And look at what they've worked so hard to give you. Some new lands to explore while looking at a new characters butt. Oh, and you get to shove some jewels into some socketed weapons. Very original. Did they come up with that on their own?
If you are thinking of buying this game, I would recommend NO!!! I have had so many friends that have bought it and played it and now wish they had their time back they invested in it to put into another game that they can still get something out of.
Saga of Ryzom Everquest II FFXI EVE Online COx DAoC Even the older games EQ, AC, AO, and others...
If you are a really into playing an MMO with depth, meaning, and a GOOD community then do not waste your time and money on this game. It's not an MMO so much as an arcade style game that is online is all.
Dear (just another) WoW hater World of Warcraft uses the same graphic style as Warcraft 3. it would only make sense to stay loyal to that graphic style. they aren't bad graphics, in fact, WoW looks great. its a graphic style YOU don't like. learn the diffrence.
I don't like the graphics style. It's a cartoon graphic style. When playing a top down RTS game, it's fine. I understand it in that situation. But Warcraft II was an advancement in graphics over Warcraft I. Warcraft III was a graphics advancement over Warcraft II. I expected the same kind of advancements to be made in the next progression of the franchise. They are bad graphics and I don't like them or I wouldn't have said they aren't good. That's my opinion and I stated so in my post. If you can't read and understand what people say because of YOUR biased opinion then YOU learn to differentiate.
Look at the part of the post I made green. you CLEARLY write and act like its a fact, which is not the case. if you meant it as an opinion, then you might want to add words like :"I think" "I find" or "In my opinion". because trust me, its your typing skills that are at fault here, not my ability to read. WoW IS an improvement over Warcraft's 3 graphics.
Okay, BrainLoading, you go back and read what you highlighted green. It says, "I don't care..." Let me repeat, "I don't care..." Does it say "Most people don't care..."? Does it say, "A lot of people don't care..."? NO, it says I. Before you take it upon yourself to critique others writing skills, why don't you critique your analytical skills. I guess that's why someone like you would pick a game like WoW though.
lets look a little closer at that post of yours. you say "I don't care if they are hand drawn, they suck. the correct sentence should have been: I don't care if they are hand drawn, I think they suck. like I said, its your writing skills that are at fault here.
Capture the flag may be bad for roleplaying, its definitly a lot of fun. and gameplay > roleplaying ANY time of the day. WoW's Capture the flag battleground works fine.
Capture the flag IS bad for roleplaying. This is a mmoRPG. Or it alledges to be at least. If I want to play capture the flag there are plenty of other games out there that offer it with much better options and much better game play. I really don't want to play it with the toon suits on to a Gnome doing a mock booty hump dance. It makes no sense to a roleplayer. So deal with it.
oh bohoo, poor roleplayers. like I said, gameplay over roleplaying any time. this is the first time MMORPG players can play Capture the flag in an mmorpg, and its a lot of fun. I'm very glad Blizzard listens to the people who just want to have fun playing then a bunch of roleplayers.
Yeah, Blizzard is listening to you. And mostly what they hear is, "uuuuhhhhh, aaaaaaaahhhhhh, droooooool, mommmmmmy, it says I need more playtime." I did not write this post to try to convince someone who enjoys WoW not to play anymore. I wrote it to warn people who may be playing other MMO's and might be thinking about playing this one. I gotta keep my brothers clean in the game. If someone has been playing Everquest, or DAoC, or AO, or any of those prior to WoW games and is looking for something else along those lines, they are the target of my post. I could care less if you like having a drool fest with 6 million other people dressed up like orc and taurens who say "roleplaying doesn't matter."
I also played Everquest and DAOC before I played WoW. and I enjoyed the heck out of WoW. you know what a lot of ex-eq veterans say about WoW? "Its how Everquest 2 should have been.
you say its a bad game, I say its a good game. who's right? 6.5 million people + proffesionals agree with me. now if you would have said: "I don't LIKE this game" it would have been a diffrent story.
but I see your just the typical player that only looks at the endgame. World of Warcraft offers you the best experience 1 - 60, and nobody is holding you back from creating alt characters.
I'm a long time MMORPG player. I look forward to end game to get to do the more fun stuff with the advanced players who have been playing for a while. That is what I expected Blizzard to deliver to me. They failed. They wasted my time. And if you expect me to go back and play through things like Barrens chat again, then I'll just leave that up to you. I've got better things to do with my time. Like play my characters I have been having fun with for YEARS in other games. Not just get to end game and ditch them. I've become attached to them. Something I never felt to my characters in WoW. I don't even remember my characters name in WoW. I still remember my characters names and even the personalities they had from UO, EQ, and AO. Yeah, that long ago and I still have a place in my heart for them. My WoW are like trash in the can now that got picked up a long time ago.
also, the Burning Crusade brings new proffesions, new content, a new race, and new lands to discover. thats exactly what an expansion needs to deliver, so what is your point? also, the expansion release date will be announced any minute now, its expected at the end of this year. WoW doesn't even exists 2 years yet, so what makes you think the expansions won't be here before WoW's 3rd life year?
Burning Crusade offers you nothing of importance or fun. New professions, blah. The crafting sucked anyways. Everyone was progressing in it and it didn't mean anything so what does it matter? And you get too look a new races ass as it runs through the same classes as before. They made a new character model. Oh joy. New land and new content???? Who doesn't offer that in an expansion. Duh. Point is, they are offering nothing unique, just like in the first release. And you just keep on lapping it up. Or I guess you're a defender of people offering half ass junk and stealing other peoples ideas. That's what you're doing.
Like I said, its EXPANSION, not a REVAMP. it offers more of the same content, and what they have shown so far look very impressive. oh they steal other people's idea, mind you that Blizzard have said from the start they will take all the good things from other MMORPG's, improve it and make it into a warcraft theme. and they have been succesfull at that.
What they've shown so far is they can't come up with an original idea to offer up. So what if they admitted it from the start. That redeems them for stealing. Because they admitted it they're cleared from the charges. That's about as silly an argument as 6 million people doing the same thing are right.
saying those 6 million are wrong and your right is even more silly.
Depth doesn't always have to mean its fun. I'd rather play a game without a lot of depth like WoW and City of Heroes but are based on fun then one of those so called mmorpgs that are based on depth such as saga of ryzom and EVE but are boring like hell.
NO but depth and complexity mean thought and engineering went into the game. Which means you're not sitting there playing a mindless game of push button. You can actually engage yourself in a thought process of developing a character that fits you and your personality well. Not some cookie cutter class that everyone else has or expects you to have when you join a group. I guess with the limited number of classes they have to offer you, you would enjoy that mindless gameplay though. There's also this thing called uniqueness that some of us have come to expect from a game company before we offer them our respect. I'm sorry, but I just don't care to much for a company that stole ideas from other companies and then repackaged it as their own.
also, this entire posts is just your oppinion, WoW is the best mmorpg out there. get used to it. proffesionals gave it an average score of 9.3, and the 6,5 million people that pay 15$ a month for it prove they were right.
Professionals? Bleh. Never have cared what they say, never will. I will make up my own mind. I don't need the guidance of someone to pick out my games for me or the support of a large group of people then telling me that I made the right decision because we're all doing something together. Weak. You can have your 6.5 million people. I hope you learn to grow out of that mindset someday though, or you're going to get taken advantage of left and right. It's a symbolic gesture on your part to use that argument and believe it actually means something.
you don't care, and you make up your mind. good for you, thats how everbody should be. But I am talking about the fact that they know what they are talking about, and gave WoW a high score. the 6,5 million mark only proves that they were right, or else they wouldn't pay 15$ a month for it. you don't like WoW, good for you. don't play it. I don't play it anymore either, but that does NOT take away WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there
Yes it does. I don't like it, so yes it does. And me and my opinion means more to me than any game reviewer or 6 million people playing a game. And I bet my opinion means more to someone who has a history of loving the MMORPG genre and is looking for something along those lines with some new ideas and intriguing things to do.
WoW announced a new era in the mmorpg genre. a time where MMORPG's will be based on FUN! not on "depth" with a rediculous long learning curve. an era where MMORPG's will be released as FINISHED products, not half done like the saga of ryzom was when it released. get used to it.
Never will I get used to it. I will quit playing games before then. I enjoy complicated gameplay and depth in my games. If you want to play games that don't have any depth or thought to them then go right ahead, but when the market starts spewing that crap at you from now on don't start complaining. I'll be somewhere doing something with some intellectual capacity to it. Not chasing someone who has my flag before they run across my home base. I keep waiting for the game to give me a "HEAD SHOT" voice over. OH, that's right this isn't Unreal Tournie, it's WoW Tournie. Hahahahaha....
Dear just another World of Warcraft fanboi (and self-appointed defender of toons), read above...
a fanboi? thats rich. I defend WoW because it deserves it. that does not make me a fanboi, a fanboi would still be playing the game.
You say you're not playing it anymore. But aren't you?
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Good post Game. You did forget to mention that The Burning Crusade is going to be bigger than the entire live game right now. Which means twice the land to check out, twice the quest, twice the story, all that. Dosent bother me at all. And the two new playable races, Blood Elfes and Dranei.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
oh well, you won't hear me complain heh.
World of Warcraft uses the same graphic style as Warcraft 3. it would only make sense to stay loyal to that graphic style. they aren't bad graphics, in fact, WoW looks great. its a graphic style YOU don't like. learn the diffrence.
Capture the flag may be bad for roleplaying, its definitly a lot of fun. and gameplay > roleplaying ANY time of the day. WoW's Capture the flag battleground works fine.
but I see your just the typical player that only looks at the endgame. World of Warcraft offers you the best experience 1 - 60, and nobody is holding you back from creating alt characters.
also, the Burning Crusade brings new proffesions, new content, a new race, and new lands to discover. thats exactly what an expansion needs to deliver, so what is your point? also, the expansion release date will be announced any minute now, its expected at the end of this year. WoW doesn't even exists 2 years yet, so what makes you think the expansions won't be here before WoW's 3rd life year?
Depth doesn't always have to mean its fun. I'd rather play a game without a lot of depth like WoW and City of Heroes but are based on fun then one of those so called mmorpgs that are based on depth such as saga of ryzom and EVE but are boring like hell.
also, this entire posts is just your oppinion, WoW is the best mmorpg out there. get used to it. proffesionals gave it an average score of 9.3, and the 6,5 million people that pay 15$ a month for it prove they were right.
WoW announced a new era in the mmorpg genre. a time where MMORPG's will be based on FUN! not on "depth" with a rediculous long learning curve. an era where MMORPG's will be released as FINISHED products, not half done like the saga of ryzom was when it released. get used to it.
Pardon me but I just had to post about this comment.
Firstly I'd like to point out that numbers mean absolutely nothing. Many of those reviews from the big name magazines were bought off and/or only covered the experience up to about the mid-30s.
You mention a game doesn't have to have depth in order to be fun? I'm sorry, but this logic makes no comprable sence. Get rid of the World of warcraft back story, get rid of arthas, get rid of the NPCs (No matter what the game), get rid of the stories, the quests, the tools, the dungeons, the cartoonish clothes. Just put an orc next to a human. Can you have fun now with your naked orc and your naked human? I honestly don't think so.
Games need content to survive. Doesn't matter the genre (even board games like risk), but you need basic content or objectives to make a game.
World of Warcraft was a slap to the face for all of blizzards loyal customers. They promised us Ritual Magic, Seige Weapons, All out battles, Hero Classes, everything that made Warcraft what it was. They didn't deliver. They hired a person from the EQ Dev Team to lead the projects for WoW who happens to only like raids.
Games like EVE and Ryzom are boring to you because you have no imagination. (Not meaning to hurt your feelings with this, some people have a really hard time coming up with content for themselves).
Tell me, with burning crusade what can you do that is "new" other than fly a new mount? I don't care to go kill another 20 birds or collect magic dust from every living thing. All you have that is new is the Eredar. Not any new classes, not any different types of quests, more raid content which drove EQ in to the ground. Tell me that I won't have to wait another year for a massive overhaul of content, which might not even deliver what people want anyway.
In other words. I want you to try and convince me that Blizzard and WoW deserves to have me as a customer. Don't point to reviews from magazines as well. Give me facts from your own experiences. I only say this because I don't think you can suitably argue that they deserve my respect. I too went "This isn't Warcraft" when I first joined.
(1997) UO --> EQ -> Runescape -> DAoC -> WoW -> EVE + WAR (2008)
Pardon me but I just had to post about this comment.
Firstly I'd like to point out that numbers mean absolutely nothing. Many of those reviews from the big name magazines were bought off and/or only covered the experience up to about the mid-30s.
Even if it was only mid 30's, that wouldn't make a diffrence the experience up to lvl 60 is the same. the only thing that is diffrent from the rest of the game is the currend end game content. but the end game isn't even half as a big as some people would like to believe. nobody is forcing you to stick to one and only one character. it doesn't even come to a lot of "haters" mind that there are a load of races and classes that all play very diffrent. most people take advantage of that, others don't and those are the people that hate the game
You mention a game doesn't have to have depth in order to be fun? I'm sorry, but this logic makes no comprable sence. Get rid of the World of warcraft back story, get rid of arthas, get rid of the NPCs (No matter what the game), get rid of the stories, the quests, the tools, the dungeons, the cartoonish clothes. Just put an orc next to a human. Can you have fun
now with your naked orc and your naked human? I honestly don't think so.
Thats not really the depth I was talking about. the Depth I was talking about is, for example, the economy of EVE, the deep crafting of Ryzom, the pvp politics of Lineage 2. now with exception of the pvp politics of Lineage 2, the first 2 features I mentioned are more deep, but also make the game more annoying, boring and increases the already long learning curve MMORPG's have.
Games need content to survive. Doesn't matter the genre (even board games like risk), but you need basic content or objectives to make a game.
World of Warcraft was a slap to the face for all of blizzards loyal customers. They promised us Ritual Magic, Seige Weapons, All out battles, Hero Classes, everything that made Warcraft what it was. They didn't deliver. They hired a person from the EQ Dev Team to lead the projects for WoW who happens to only like raids.
they can't make warcraft what it was. its an mmorpg, it will be diffrent. its not a RTS. altough I fully agree that some of those features, like the Siege weapons could be implanted. Hero classes? In what way? You mean the skills from the heroes of the previous Warcraft games? they are all in the game. you have already been playing the hero classes
Games like EVE and Ryzom are boring to you because you have no imagination. (Not meaning to hurt your feelings with this, some people have a really hard time coming up with content for themselves).
I'm sorry, but I fail to understand this sentence. the reason I didn't like EVE, was because it was so slow and the learning curve was too long. No, I'm not some kind of idiot that wouldn't understand EVE, but I don't want to sit down and spend a lot of time just learning how the game is supposed to be played.
Tell me, with burning crusade what can you do that is "new" other than fly a new mount? I don't care to go kill another 20 birds or collect magic dust from every living thing. All you have that is new is the Eredar. Not any new classes, not any different types of quests, more raid content which drove EQ in to the ground. Tell me that I won't have to wait another year for a massive overhaul of content, which might not even deliver what people want anyway.
The burning crusade is an expansion, not a revamp. It adds more of the same content. more raid dungeons, more normal dungeons, more levels, more quests, and probably a new Battleground. its simply not an expansion that will release anything new.altough it does seems the expansion will be released together with patch 1.12, which will add outpost pvp to bring pvp back to the outside world.
In other words. I want you to try and convince me that Blizzard and WoW deserves to have me as a customer. Don't point to reviews from magazines as well. Give me facts from your own experiences. I only say this because I don't think you can suitably argue that they deserve my respect. I too went "This isn't Warcraft" when I first joined.
My own experience? Alright, my first experience was simple. One look at the interface was enough to understand how the game works. there was a quest giver right in front of me who would give me my first task, and thats how the game more or less guides you trough the beautiful world of Azeroth. Azeroth was the first world where I had a feeling it was a true fantasy world. the world felt alive, lots of NPC's, diffrent area's. what I liked about WoW was that it focused on the fun parts of MMORPG's. questing, combat. I liked the "relaxing" aproach WoW took. I didn't had to spend hours and hours on an auction house to get as much money as possible. I didn't had to spend hours working on some kind of tradeskill to create items. I really liked WoW's simple crafting. I found most of my gear, be it from a quest or a mob. Crafting just added the few things you were missing. I could group whenever I wanted, or go at it solo. thats what I liked about WoW. I also really enjoyed the pvp. I don't need to have any kind of heavy rewards for pvp. I just want to pvp, its about the pvp experience, not the reward. when i noticed a member of the other faction, I could just attack him without having to worry that I would be either punished for pvp (aka L2) or be punished for losing (Like EVE or UO). just pvp, thats what I like.
Dear (just another) WoW hater
World of Warcraft uses the same graphic style as Warcraft 3. it would only make sense to stay loyal to that graphic style. they aren't bad graphics, in fact, WoW looks great. its a graphic style YOU don't like. learn the diffrence.
True, but style is what its all about.
Capture the flag may be bad for roleplaying, its definitly a lot of fun. and gameplay > roleplaying ANY time of the day. WoW's Capture the flag battleground works fine.
No GL they don't. Its a tacked on - addition to the game. You must wait in line to do it. When I was playing my 60(s) I sometimes need to sit in que for 45 min to over an hour. On top of it ques are based on populations. Horde is far smaller then alliance (do to fact there are 100 of times more Night Elf rouges named Legolas then there are people in Iceland) The PvP was poorly thought out for the amount of players they have (and anticipated) While FFA is to intrusive for alot of people this sitting in line is crap.
The original idea they talked about was more in line with DAoC with an area of open warfare.
but I see your just the typical player that only looks at the endgame. World of Warcraft offers you the best experience 1 - 60, and nobody is holding you back from creating alt characters.
No, the game promotes post 60 activities. Leveling 1-60 is a linear repeat experience. In other words its a linear console style experience with little variation of play.
also, the Burning Crusade brings new proffesions, new content, a new race, and new lands to discover. thats exactly what an expansion needs to deliver, so what is your point? also, the expansion release date will be announced any minute now, its expected at the end of this year. WoW doesn't even exists 2 years yet, so what makes you think the expansions won't be here before WoW's 3rd life year?
Depth doesn't always have to mean its fun. I'd rather play a game without a lot of depth like WoW and City of Heroes but are based on fun then one of those so called mmorpgs that are based on depth such as saga of ryzom and EVE but are boring like hell.
Thats a playstyle call.
So far WoW has been the only game to deliver on this but at the expence of FREEDOM of play. We traded our open virual worlds for linear fun gameplay that requires nothing more then following the NPC's instructions.
also, this entire posts is just your oppinion, WoW is the best mmorpg out there. get used to it. proffesionals gave it an average score of 9.3, and the 6,5 million people that pay 15$ a month for it prove they were right.
GL don't get into the epeen thing with 6.5 million can't be wrong. Billions of people ate at McDonalds, it doesn't make it the best food, it just makes it fast and easy to get.
You of all people know how flawed that thinking is as an ex-L2 player. Before WoW released L2 had somewhere around 3 million subs, did that mean it was the best? No, all it means is more people played that at the time then anything else.
WoW announced a new era in the mmorpg genre. a time where MMORPG's will be based on FUN! not on "depth" with a rediculous long learning curve. an era where MMORPG's will be released as FINISHED products, not half done like the saga of ryzom was when it released. get used to it.
Again playstyle. MMORPG's where originally developed with the virtual world concept in mind (UO, EQ and AC, the originators) All we are seeing now is a swing from Sandbox/Social and Roleplay/Immersive games to Arcade/Casual.
Pardon me but I just had to post about this comment.
Firstly I'd like to point out that numbers mean absolutely nothing. Many of those reviews from the big name magazines were bought off and/or only covered the experience up to about the mid-30s.
You mention a game doesn't have to have depth in order to be fun? I'm sorry, but this logic makes no comprable sence. Get rid of the World of warcraft back story, get rid of arthas, get rid of the NPCs (No matter what the game), get rid of the stories, the quests, the tools, the dungeons, the cartoonish clothes. Just put an orc next to a human. Can you have fun now with your naked orc and your naked human? I honestly don't think so.
Games need content to survive. Doesn't matter the genre (even board games like risk), but you need basic content or objectives to make a game.
World of Warcraft was a slap to the face for all of blizzards loyal customers. They promised us Ritual Magic, Seige Weapons, All out battles, Hero Classes, everything that made Warcraft what it was. They didn't deliver. They hired a person from the EQ Dev Team to lead the projects for WoW who happens to only like raids.
Games like EVE and Ryzom are boring to you because you have no imagination. (Not meaning to hurt your feelings with this, some people have a really hard time coming up with content for themselves).
Tell me, with burning crusade what can you do that is "new" other than fly a new mount? I don't care to go kill another 20 birds or collect magic dust from every living thing. All you have that is new is the Eredar. Not any new classes, not any different types of quests, more raid content which drove EQ in to the ground. Tell me that I won't have to wait another year for a massive overhaul of content, which might not even deliver what people want anyway.
In other words. I want you to try and convince me that Blizzard and WoW deserves to have me as a customer. Don't point to reviews from magazines as well. Give me facts from your own experiences. I only say this because I don't think you can suitably argue that they deserve my respect. I too went "This isn't Warcraft" when I first joined.
WoW suffers entirely from what is called "the commitee written effect" in lit classes. If you look over the history the dev teams and supporting staff has changed so many times it is ridiculous. When you keep chaning staffs you will never get a coherent product and things will be left unfinished and/or broken.
Each new group has a different focus and goal, but they can not do a complete overhaul.
The last good dev team WoW had left around the release of Dire Maul, which was over a year ago now.
WoW suffers entirely from what is called "the commitee written effect" in lit classes. If you look over the history the dev teams and supporting staff has changed so many times it is ridiculous. When you keep chaning staffs you will never get a coherent product and things will be left unfinished and/or broken.
Each new group has a different focus and goal, but they can not do a complete overhaul.
The last good dev team WoW had left around the release of Dire Maul, which was over a year ago now.
That is common in most games. Dev teams loose focus, change and the game ends up totally different from when it started.Wow, its not just me then. I really thought WoW did not use enough inspiration from its roots. It provided the races and the creeps but it seemingly forgot the rest.
Is it possible that u liked the game in those 1000 hours or where u just bored of playing patiance....??
I think WoW biggest problem is the sheer amount of trolls post that it creates. Take the openers post for instance. Like someone else pointed out. There are two other WoW threads, basically doing/saying the same thing you did. Which also much like the openers post, states opinions like they are fact. Just because he believe it to be true, in his mind it means it obviously is. Here's a fact for you though. No matter how bad you think WoW is. It will never be more then just your opinion. Same goes for all the fans of WoW. No matter how good you think it is. You aren't any more right or wrong then WoW haters like the opener.
The guy was right though, instead of wasting more space with this thread. You should have just made a reply in one of those other two threads.
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However, there's no need to START a thread bashing it. We already understand the amazing reality of the situation: some people like WoW and some don't. Can't we just leave it at that?
Exactly. Its been done and done to death. Its being done to death as we speak. Blizzard didn't personally set out to betray anyone. All it comes down to is your Vision(TM) or their Vision(TM), because they own the rights to the game and actually went out and paid people to go make it, its their Vision(TM) that gets implemented and not yours.
On a slightly different note, I find most sandboxes too barren and restrictive to actually be any fun. Its like having the worst of both worlds. They don't offer interesting linear gameplay but don't offer me enough creative control to actually make it awe-inspiring.
When i first got EQ2 i was all like: ZOOOOOMG!!! These graphics are totaly awesome! and this game pwnz anything else in the world! its so fun!
when i played WoW:
Oh man, this feels like one of them free MMO's. No cool graphics, sound sux.
And what i dont understand at all is that why so many get Uber addicted to WoW.
i didnt really find it addicting or really fun at all.
AHH
World of Warcraft uses the same graphic style as Warcraft 3. it would only make sense to stay loyal to that graphic style. they aren't bad graphics, in fact, WoW looks great. its a graphic style YOU don't like. learn the diffrence.
I don't like the graphics style. It's a cartoon graphic style. When playing a top down RTS game, it's fine. I understand it in that situation. But Warcraft II was an advancement in graphics over Warcraft I. Warcraft III was a graphics advancement over Warcraft II. I expected the same kind of advancements to be made in the next progression of the franchise. They are bad graphics and I don't like them or I wouldn't have said they aren't good. That's my opinion and I stated so in my post. If you can't read and understand what people say because of YOUR biased opinion then YOU learn to differentiate.
Capture the flag may be bad for roleplaying, its definitly a lot of fun. and gameplay > roleplaying ANY time of the day. WoW's Capture the flag battleground works fine.
Capture the flag IS bad for roleplaying. This is a mmoRPG. Or it alledges to be at least. If I want to play capture the flag there are plenty of other games out there that offer it with much better options and much better game play. I really don't want to play it with the toon suits on to a Gnome doing a mock booty hump dance. It makes no sense to a roleplayer. So deal with it.
but I see your just the typical player that only looks at the endgame. World of Warcraft offers you the best experience 1 - 60, and nobody is holding you back from creating alt characters.
I'm a long time MMORPG player. I look forward to end game to get to do the more fun stuff with the advanced players who have been playing for a while. That is what I expected Blizzard to deliver to me. They failed. They wasted my time. And if you expect me to go back and play through things like Barrens chat again, then I'll just leave that up to you. I've got better things to do with my time. Like play my characters I have been having fun with for YEARS in other games. Not just get to end game and ditch them. I've become attached to them. Something I never felt to my characters in WoW. I don't even remember my characters name in WoW. I still remember my characters names and even the personalities they had from UO, EQ, and AO. Yeah, that long ago and I still have a place in my heart for them. My WoW are like trash in the can now that got picked up a long time ago.
also, the Burning Crusade brings new proffesions, new content, a new race, and new lands to discover. thats exactly what an expansion needs to deliver, so what is your point? also, the expansion release date will be announced any minute now, its expected at the end of this year. WoW doesn't even exists 2 years yet, so what makes you think the expansions won't be here before WoW's 3rd life year?
Burning Crusade offers you nothing of importance or fun. New professions, blah. The crafting sucked anyways. Everyone was progressing in it and it didn't mean anything so what does it matter? And you get too look a new races ass as it runs through the same classes as before. They made a new character model. Oh joy. New land and new content???? Who doesn't offer that in an expansion. Duh. Point is, they are offering nothing unique, just like in the first release. And you just keep on lapping it up. Or I guess you're a defender of people offering half ass junk and stealing other peoples ideas. That's what you're doing.
Depth doesn't always have to mean its fun. I'd rather play a game without a lot of depth like WoW and City of Heroes but are based on fun then one of those so called mmorpgs that are based on depth such as saga of ryzom and EVE but are boring like hell.
NO but depth and complexity mean thought and engineering went into the game. Which means you're not sitting there playing a mindless game of push button. You can actually engage yourself in a thought process of developing a character that fits you and your personality well. Not some cookie cutter class that everyone else has or expects you to have when you join a group. I guess with the limited number of classes they have to offer you, you would enjoy that mindless gameplay though. There's also this thing called uniqueness that some of us have come to expect from a game company before we offer them our respect. I'm sorry, but I just don't care to much for a company that stole ideas from other companies and then repackaged it as their own.
also, this entire posts is just your oppinion, WoW is the best mmorpg out there. get used to it. proffesionals gave it an average score of 9.3, and the 6,5 million people that pay 15$ a month for it prove they were right.
Professionals? Bleh. Never have cared what they say, never will. I will make up my own mind. I don't need the guidance of someone to pick out my games for me or the support of a large group of people then telling me that I made the right decision because we're all doing something together. Weak. You can have your 6.5 million people. I hope you learn to grow out of that mindset someday though, or you're going to get taken advantage of left and right. It's a symbolic gesture on your part to use that argument and believe it actually means something.
WoW announced a new era in the mmorpg genre. a time where MMORPG's will be based on FUN! not on "depth" with a rediculous long learning curve. an era where MMORPG's will be released as FINISHED products, not half done like the saga of ryzom was when it released. get used to it.
Never will I get used to it. I will quit playing games before then. I enjoy complicated gameplay and depth in my games. If you want to play games that don't have any depth or thought to them then go right ahead, but when the market starts spewing that crap at you from now on don't start complaining. I'll be somewhere doing something with some intellectual capacity to it. Not chasing someone who has my flag before they run across my home base. I keep waiting for the game to give me a "HEAD SHOT" voice over. OH, that's right this isn't Unreal Tournie, it's WoW Tournie. Hahahahaha....
Dear just another World of Warcraft fanboi (and self-appointed defender of toons), read above...
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Wow, its not just me then. I really thought WoW did not use enough inspiration from its roots. It provided the races and the creeps but it seemingly forgot the rest.
Exactly.
There's no "Warcraft" in Worlds of Warcraft. The models are there but that's it. The gameplay is horrible. And I don't see how it could appeal to anyone who was a fan of the RTS games.
BTW, what happened to Starcraft Ghost? I was looking forward to that too. Now it seems Blizzard has given up on that game as well. I guess they go where the money is and forget about us that put them where they could get to today.
And people wonder why we feel betrayed.
Oh well, they can have their teen market of WoW players. More power to them. They may actually be right, those people will soon be 20 somethings buying games I guess. I just hope they mature out of that gamestyle for the sake of gaming in general. Or I don't see myself gaming for too much longer.
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I, as a casual gamer, also believe WoW is the best MMORPG out there. Just because it is the only one I'd even consider playing. It was fun until I reached about lvl50 with my shaman and started noticing the shift... Time spent playing went up tremendously, besides I had not much to look forward to . So, I cancelled my account right away.
WoW is a successful MMORPG because it copied the best of every other game with only one and fateful exception...
They failed to copy RvR from DAoC.
World of Warcraft uses the same graphic style as Warcraft 3. it would only make sense to stay loyal to that graphic style. they aren't bad graphics, in fact, WoW looks great. its a graphic style YOU don't like. learn the diffrence.
I don't like the graphics style. It's a cartoon graphic style. When playing a top down RTS game, it's fine. I understand it in that situation. But Warcraft II was an advancement in graphics over Warcraft I. Warcraft III was a graphics advancement over Warcraft II. I expected the same kind of advancements to be made in the next progression of the franchise. They are bad graphics and I don't like them or I wouldn't have said they aren't good. That's my opinion and I stated so in my post. If you can't read and understand what people say because of YOUR biased opinion then YOU learn to differentiate.
Look at the part of the post I made green. you CLEARLY write and act like its a fact, which is not the case. if you meant it as an opinion, then you might want to add words like :"I think" "I find" or "In my opinion". because trust me, its your typing skills that are at fault here, not my ability to read. WoW IS an improvement over Warcraft's 3 graphics.
Capture the flag may be bad for roleplaying, its definitly a lot of fun. and gameplay > roleplaying ANY time of the day. WoW's Capture the flag battleground works fine.
Capture the flag IS bad for roleplaying. This is a mmoRPG. Or it alledges to be at least. If I want to play capture the flag there are plenty of other games out there that offer it with much better options and much better game play. I really don't want to play it with the toon suits on to a Gnome doing a mock booty hump dance. It makes no sense to a roleplayer. So deal with it.
oh bohoo, poor roleplayers. like I said, gameplay over roleplaying any time. this is the first time MMORPG players can play Capture the flag in an mmorpg, and its a lot of fun. I'm very glad Blizzard listens to the people who just want to have fun playing then a bunch of roleplayers.
but I see your just the typical player that only looks at the endgame. World of Warcraft offers you the best experience 1 - 60, and nobody is holding you back from creating alt characters.
I'm a long time MMORPG player. I look forward to end game to get to do the more fun stuff with the advanced players who have been playing for a while. That is what I expected Blizzard to deliver to me. They failed. They wasted my time. And if you expect me to go back and play through things like Barrens chat again, then I'll just leave that up to you. I've got better things to do with my time. Like play my characters I have been having fun with for YEARS in other games. Not just get to end game and ditch them. I've become attached to them. Something I never felt to my characters in WoW. I don't even remember my characters name in WoW. I still remember my characters names and even the personalities they had from UO, EQ, and AO. Yeah, that long ago and I still have a place in my heart for them. My WoW are like trash in the can now that got picked up a long time ago.
also, the Burning Crusade brings new proffesions, new content, a new race, and new lands to discover. thats exactly what an expansion needs to deliver, so what is your point? also, the expansion release date will be announced any minute now, its expected at the end of this year. WoW doesn't even exists 2 years yet, so what makes you think the expansions won't be here before WoW's 3rd life year?
Burning Crusade offers you nothing of importance or fun. New professions, blah. The crafting sucked anyways. Everyone was progressing in it and it didn't mean anything so what does it matter? And you get too look a new races ass as it runs through the same classes as before. They made a new character model. Oh joy. New land and new content???? Who doesn't offer that in an expansion. Duh. Point is, they are offering nothing unique, just like in the first release. And you just keep on lapping it up. Or I guess you're a defender of people offering half ass junk and stealing other peoples ideas. That's what you're doing.
Like I said, its EXPANSION, not a REVAMP. it offers more of the same content, and what they have shown so far look very impressive. oh they steal other people's idea, mind you that Blizzard have said from the start they will take all the good things from other MMORPG's, improve it and make it into a warcraft theme. and they have been succesfull at that.
Depth doesn't always have to mean its fun. I'd rather play a game without a lot of depth like WoW and City of Heroes but are based on fun then one of those so called mmorpgs that are based on depth such as saga of ryzom and EVE but are boring like hell.
NO but depth and complexity mean thought and engineering went into the game. Which means you're not sitting there playing a mindless game of push button. You can actually engage yourself in a thought process of developing a character that fits you and your personality well. Not some cookie cutter class that everyone else has or expects you to have when you join a group. I guess with the limited number of classes they have to offer you, you would enjoy that mindless gameplay though. There's also this thing called uniqueness that some of us have come to expect from a game company before we offer them our respect. I'm sorry, but I just don't care to much for a company that stole ideas from other companies and then repackaged it as their own.
also, this entire posts is just your oppinion, WoW is the best mmorpg out there. get used to it. proffesionals gave it an average score of 9.3, and the 6,5 million people that pay 15$ a month for it prove they were right.
Professionals? Bleh. Never have cared what they say, never will. I will make up my own mind. I don't need the guidance of someone to pick out my games for me or the support of a large group of people then telling me that I made the right decision because we're all doing something together. Weak. You can have your 6.5 million people. I hope you learn to grow out of that mindset someday though, or you're going to get taken advantage of left and right. It's a symbolic gesture on your part to use that argument and believe it actually means something.
you don't care, and you make up your mind. good for you, thats how everbody should be. But I am talking about the fact that they know what they are talking about, and gave WoW a high score. the 6,5 million mark only proves that they were right, or else they wouldn't pay 15$ a month for it. you don't like WoW, good for you. don't play it. I don't play it anymore either, but that does NOT take away WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there
WoW announced a new era in the mmorpg genre. a time where MMORPG's will be based on FUN! not on "depth" with a rediculous long learning curve. an era where MMORPG's will be released as FINISHED products, not half done like the saga of ryzom was when it released. get used to it.
Never will I get used to it. I will quit playing games before then. I enjoy complicated gameplay and depth in my games. If you want to play games that don't have any depth or thought to them then go right ahead, but when the market starts spewing that crap at you from now on don't start complaining. I'll be somewhere doing something with some intellectual capacity to it. Not chasing someone who has my flag before they run across my home base. I keep waiting for the game to give me a "HEAD SHOT" voice over. OH, that's right this isn't Unreal Tournie, it's WoW Tournie. Hahahahaha....
Dear just another World of Warcraft fanboi (and self-appointed defender of toons), read above...
a fanboi? thats rich. I defend WoW because it deserves it. that does not make me a fanboi, a fanboi would still be playing the game.
World of Warcraft uses the same graphic style as Warcraft 3. it would only make sense to stay loyal to that graphic style. they aren't bad graphics, in fact, WoW looks great. its a graphic style YOU don't like. learn the diffrence.
I don't like the graphics style. It's a cartoon graphic style. When playing a top down RTS game, it's fine. I understand it in that situation. But Warcraft II was an advancement in graphics over Warcraft I. Warcraft III was a graphics advancement over Warcraft II. I expected the same kind of advancements to be made in the next progression of the franchise. They are bad graphics and I don't like them or I wouldn't have said they aren't good. That's my opinion and I stated so in my post. If you can't read and understand what people say because of YOUR biased opinion then YOU learn to differentiate.
Look at the part of the post I made green. you CLEARLY write and act like its a fact, which is not the case. if you meant it as an opinion, then you might want to add words like :"I think" "I find" or "In my opinion". because trust me, its your typing skills that are at fault here, not my ability to read. WoW IS an improvement over Warcraft's 3 graphics.
Okay, BrainLoading, you go back and read what you highlighted green. It says, "I don't care..." Let me repeat, "I don't care..."
Does it say "Most people don't care..."? Does it say, "A lot of people don't care..."? NO, it says I. Before you take it upon yourself to critique others writing skills, why don't you critique your analytical skills. I guess that's why someone like you would pick a game like WoW though.
Capture the flag may be bad for roleplaying, its definitly a lot of fun. and gameplay > roleplaying ANY time of the day. WoW's Capture the flag battleground works fine.
Capture the flag IS bad for roleplaying. This is a mmoRPG. Or it alledges to be at least. If I want to play capture the flag there are plenty of other games out there that offer it with much better options and much better game play. I really don't want to play it with the toon suits on to a Gnome doing a mock booty hump dance. It makes no sense to a roleplayer. So deal with it.
oh bohoo, poor roleplayers. like I said, gameplay over roleplaying any time. this is the first time MMORPG players can play Capture the flag in an mmorpg, and its a lot of fun. I'm very glad Blizzard listens to the people who just want to have fun playing then a bunch of roleplayers.
Yeah, Blizzard is listening to you. And mostly what they hear is, "uuuuhhhhh, aaaaaaaahhhhhh, droooooool, mommmmmmy, it says I need more playtime."
I did not write this post to try to convince someone who enjoys WoW not to play anymore. I wrote it to warn people who may be playing other MMO's and might be thinking about playing this one. I gotta keep my brothers clean in the game. If someone has been playing Everquest, or DAoC, or AO, or any of those prior to WoW games and is looking for something else along those lines, they are the target of my post. I could care less if you like having a drool fest with 6 million other people dressed up like orc and taurens who say "roleplaying doesn't matter."
but I see your just the typical player that only looks at the endgame. World of Warcraft offers you the best experience 1 - 60, and nobody is holding you back from creating alt characters.
I'm a long time MMORPG player. I look forward to end game to get to do the more fun stuff with the advanced players who have been playing for a while. That is what I expected Blizzard to deliver to me. They failed. They wasted my time. And if you expect me to go back and play through things like Barrens chat again, then I'll just leave that up to you. I've got better things to do with my time. Like play my characters I have been having fun with for YEARS in other games. Not just get to end game and ditch them. I've become attached to them. Something I never felt to my characters in WoW. I don't even remember my characters name in WoW. I still remember my characters names and even the personalities they had from UO, EQ, and AO. Yeah, that long ago and I still have a place in my heart for them. My WoW are like trash in the can now that got picked up a long time ago.
also, the Burning Crusade brings new proffesions, new content, a new race, and new lands to discover. thats exactly what an expansion needs to deliver, so what is your point? also, the expansion release date will be announced any minute now, its expected at the end of this year. WoW doesn't even exists 2 years yet, so what makes you think the expansions won't be here before WoW's 3rd life year?
Burning Crusade offers you nothing of importance or fun. New professions, blah. The crafting sucked anyways. Everyone was progressing in it and it didn't mean anything so what does it matter? And you get too look a new races ass as it runs through the same classes as before. They made a new character model. Oh joy. New land and new content???? Who doesn't offer that in an expansion. Duh. Point is, they are offering nothing unique, just like in the first release. And you just keep on lapping it up. Or I guess you're a defender of people offering half ass junk and stealing other peoples ideas. That's what you're doing.
Like I said, its EXPANSION, not a REVAMP. it offers more of the same content, and what they have shown so far look very impressive. oh they steal other people's idea, mind you that Blizzard have said from the start they will take all the good things from other MMORPG's, improve it and make it into a warcraft theme. and they have been succesfull at that.
What they've shown so far is they can't come up with an original idea to offer up. So what if they admitted it from the start. That redeems them for stealing. Because they admitted it they're cleared from the charges. That's about as silly an argument as 6 million people doing the same thing are right.
Depth doesn't always have to mean its fun. I'd rather play a game without a lot of depth like WoW and City of Heroes but are based on fun then one of those so called mmorpgs that are based on depth such as saga of ryzom and EVE but are boring like hell.
NO but depth and complexity mean thought and engineering went into the game. Which means you're not sitting there playing a mindless game of push button. You can actually engage yourself in a thought process of developing a character that fits you and your personality well. Not some cookie cutter class that everyone else has or expects you to have when you join a group. I guess with the limited number of classes they have to offer you, you would enjoy that mindless gameplay though. There's also this thing called uniqueness that some of us have come to expect from a game company before we offer them our respect. I'm sorry, but I just don't care to much for a company that stole ideas from other companies and then repackaged it as their own.
also, this entire posts is just your oppinion, WoW is the best mmorpg out there. get used to it. proffesionals gave it an average score of 9.3, and the 6,5 million people that pay 15$ a month for it prove they were right.
Professionals? Bleh. Never have cared what they say, never will. I will make up my own mind. I don't need the guidance of someone to pick out my games for me or the support of a large group of people then telling me that I made the right decision because we're all doing something together. Weak. You can have your 6.5 million people. I hope you learn to grow out of that mindset someday though, or you're going to get taken advantage of left and right. It's a symbolic gesture on your part to use that argument and believe it actually means something.
you don't care, and you make up your mind. good for you, thats how everbody should be. But I am talking about the fact that they know what they are talking about, and gave WoW a high score. the 6,5 million mark only proves that they were right, or else they wouldn't pay 15$ a month for it. you don't like WoW, good for you. don't play it. I don't play it anymore either, but that does NOT take away WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there
Yes it does. I don't like it, so yes it does. And me and my opinion means more to me than any game reviewer or 6 million people playing a game. And I bet my opinion means more to someone who has a history of loving the MMORPG genre and is looking for something along those lines with some new ideas and intriguing things to do.
WoW announced a new era in the mmorpg genre. a time where MMORPG's will be based on FUN! not on "depth" with a rediculous long learning curve. an era where MMORPG's will be released as FINISHED products, not half done like the saga of ryzom was when it released. get used to it.
Never will I get used to it. I will quit playing games before then. I enjoy complicated gameplay and depth in my games. If you want to play games that don't have any depth or thought to them then go right ahead, but when the market starts spewing that crap at you from now on don't start complaining. I'll be somewhere doing something with some intellectual capacity to it. Not chasing someone who has my flag before they run across my home base. I keep waiting for the game to give me a "HEAD SHOT" voice over. OH, that's right this isn't Unreal Tournie, it's WoW Tournie. Hahahahaha....
Dear just another World of Warcraft fanboi (and self-appointed defender of toons), read above...
a fanboi? thats rich. I defend WoW because it deserves it. that does not make me a fanboi, a fanboi would still be playing the game.
You say you're not playing it anymore. But aren't you?
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But yeah, they're not that well done and if you want something proper then this won't rock your world.
Also true about the chat and community sucking arse. I usually just closed the chat windows and that helped a bit.
Only if they'd add an open pvp system... mmm. Could show how I feel about them "trains" made of naked players.
World of Warcraft uses the same graphic style as Warcraft 3. it would only make sense to stay loyal to that graphic style. they aren't bad graphics, in fact, WoW looks great. its a graphic style YOU don't like. learn the diffrence.
I don't like the graphics style. It's a cartoon graphic style. When playing a top down RTS game, it's fine. I understand it in that situation. But Warcraft II was an advancement in graphics over Warcraft I. Warcraft III was a graphics advancement over Warcraft II. I expected the same kind of advancements to be made in the next progression of the franchise. They are bad graphics and I don't like them or I wouldn't have said they aren't good. That's my opinion and I stated so in my post. If you can't read and understand what people say because of YOUR biased opinion then YOU learn to differentiate.
Look at the part of the post I made green. you CLEARLY write and act like its a fact, which is not the case. if you meant it as an opinion, then you might want to add words like :"I think" "I find" or "In my opinion". because trust me, its your typing skills that are at fault here, not my ability to read. WoW IS an improvement over Warcraft's 3 graphics.
Okay, BrainLoading, you go back and read what you highlighted green. It says, "I don't care..." Let me repeat, "I don't care..."
Does it say "Most people don't care..."? Does it say, "A lot of people don't care..."? NO, it says I. Before you take it upon yourself to critique others writing skills, why don't you critique your analytical skills. I guess that's why someone like you would pick a game like WoW though.
lets look a little closer at that post of yours. you say "I don't care if they are hand drawn, they suck. the correct sentence should have been: I don't care if they are hand drawn, I think they suck. like I said, its your writing skills that are at fault here.
Capture the flag may be bad for roleplaying, its definitly a lot of fun. and gameplay > roleplaying ANY time of the day. WoW's Capture the flag battleground works fine.
Capture the flag IS bad for roleplaying. This is a mmoRPG. Or it alledges to be at least. If I want to play capture the flag there are plenty of other games out there that offer it with much better options and much better game play. I really don't want to play it with the toon suits on to a Gnome doing a mock booty hump dance. It makes no sense to a roleplayer. So deal with it.
oh bohoo, poor roleplayers. like I said, gameplay over roleplaying any time. this is the first time MMORPG players can play Capture the flag in an mmorpg, and its a lot of fun. I'm very glad Blizzard listens to the people who just want to have fun playing then a bunch of roleplayers.
Yeah, Blizzard is listening to you. And mostly what they hear is, "uuuuhhhhh, aaaaaaaahhhhhh, droooooool, mommmmmmy, it says I need more playtime."
I did not write this post to try to convince someone who enjoys WoW not to play anymore. I wrote it to warn people who may be playing other MMO's and might be thinking about playing this one. I gotta keep my brothers clean in the game. If someone has been playing Everquest, or DAoC, or AO, or any of those prior to WoW games and is looking for something else along those lines, they are the target of my post. I could care less if you like having a drool fest with 6 million other people dressed up like orc and taurens who say "roleplaying doesn't matter."
I also played Everquest and DAOC before I played WoW. and I enjoyed the heck out of WoW. you know what a lot of ex-eq veterans say about WoW? "Its how Everquest 2 should have been.
you say its a bad game, I say its a good game. who's right? 6.5 million people + proffesionals agree with me. now if you would have said: "I don't LIKE this game" it would have been a diffrent story.
but I see your just the typical player that only looks at the endgame. World of Warcraft offers you the best experience 1 - 60, and nobody is holding you back from creating alt characters.
I'm a long time MMORPG player. I look forward to end game to get to do the more fun stuff with the advanced players who have been playing for a while. That is what I expected Blizzard to deliver to me. They failed. They wasted my time. And if you expect me to go back and play through things like Barrens chat again, then I'll just leave that up to you. I've got better things to do with my time. Like play my characters I have been having fun with for YEARS in other games. Not just get to end game and ditch them. I've become attached to them. Something I never felt to my characters in WoW. I don't even remember my characters name in WoW. I still remember my characters names and even the personalities they had from UO, EQ, and AO. Yeah, that long ago and I still have a place in my heart for them. My WoW are like trash in the can now that got picked up a long time ago.
also, the Burning Crusade brings new proffesions, new content, a new race, and new lands to discover. thats exactly what an expansion needs to deliver, so what is your point? also, the expansion release date will be announced any minute now, its expected at the end of this year. WoW doesn't even exists 2 years yet, so what makes you think the expansions won't be here before WoW's 3rd life year?
Burning Crusade offers you nothing of importance or fun. New professions, blah. The crafting sucked anyways. Everyone was progressing in it and it didn't mean anything so what does it matter? And you get too look a new races ass as it runs through the same classes as before. They made a new character model. Oh joy. New land and new content???? Who doesn't offer that in an expansion. Duh. Point is, they are offering nothing unique, just like in the first release. And you just keep on lapping it up. Or I guess you're a defender of people offering half ass junk and stealing other peoples ideas. That's what you're doing.
Like I said, its EXPANSION, not a REVAMP. it offers more of the same content, and what they have shown so far look very impressive. oh they steal other people's idea, mind you that Blizzard have said from the start they will take all the good things from other MMORPG's, improve it and make it into a warcraft theme. and they have been succesfull at that.
What they've shown so far is they can't come up with an original idea to offer up. So what if they admitted it from the start. That redeems them for stealing. Because they admitted it they're cleared from the charges. That's about as silly an argument as 6 million people doing the same thing are right.
saying those 6 million are wrong and your right is even more silly.
Depth doesn't always have to mean its fun. I'd rather play a game without a lot of depth like WoW and City of Heroes but are based on fun then one of those so called mmorpgs that are based on depth such as saga of ryzom and EVE but are boring like hell.
NO but depth and complexity mean thought and engineering went into the game. Which means you're not sitting there playing a mindless game of push button. You can actually engage yourself in a thought process of developing a character that fits you and your personality well. Not some cookie cutter class that everyone else has or expects you to have when you join a group. I guess with the limited number of classes they have to offer you, you would enjoy that mindless gameplay though. There's also this thing called uniqueness that some of us have come to expect from a game company before we offer them our respect. I'm sorry, but I just don't care to much for a company that stole ideas from other companies and then repackaged it as their own.
also, this entire posts is just your oppinion, WoW is the best mmorpg out there. get used to it. proffesionals gave it an average score of 9.3, and the 6,5 million people that pay 15$ a month for it prove they were right.
Professionals? Bleh. Never have cared what they say, never will. I will make up my own mind. I don't need the guidance of someone to pick out my games for me or the support of a large group of people then telling me that I made the right decision because we're all doing something together. Weak. You can have your 6.5 million people. I hope you learn to grow out of that mindset someday though, or you're going to get taken advantage of left and right. It's a symbolic gesture on your part to use that argument and believe it actually means something.
you don't care, and you make up your mind. good for you, thats how everbody should be. But I am talking about the fact that they know what they are talking about, and gave WoW a high score. the 6,5 million mark only proves that they were right, or else they wouldn't pay 15$ a month for it. you don't like WoW, good for you. don't play it. I don't play it anymore either, but that does NOT take away WoW is currently the best mmorpg out there
Yes it does. I don't like it, so yes it does. And me and my opinion means more to me than any game reviewer or 6 million people playing a game. And I bet my opinion means more to someone who has a history of loving the MMORPG genre and is looking for something along those lines with some new ideas and intriguing things to do.
WoW announced a new era in the mmorpg genre. a time where MMORPG's will be based on FUN! not on "depth" with a rediculous long learning curve. an era where MMORPG's will be released as FINISHED products, not half done like the saga of ryzom was when it released. get used to it.
Never will I get used to it. I will quit playing games before then. I enjoy complicated gameplay and depth in my games. If you want to play games that don't have any depth or thought to them then go right ahead, but when the market starts spewing that crap at you from now on don't start complaining. I'll be somewhere doing something with some intellectual capacity to it. Not chasing someone who has my flag before they run across my home base. I keep waiting for the game to give me a "HEAD SHOT" voice over. OH, that's right this isn't Unreal Tournie, it's WoW Tournie. Hahahahaha....
Dear just another World of Warcraft fanboi (and self-appointed defender of toons), read above...
a fanboi? thats rich. I defend WoW because it deserves it. that does not make me a fanboi, a fanboi would still be playing the game.
You say you're not playing it anymore. But aren't you?