The bottom line is, the Customer is right. And the customer, in the case of SOE/LEC and SWG have voted with the wallet: Cancelation. I see nothing compelling in your argument to say SOE cannot provide preNGE servers.
I'll let Raph answer to the "Customer is right":
Raph said on
July 5th, 2006 at 11:09 am:
“The customer is always right.”
Sigh. You’re talking past each other here.
Obviously, Prokofy is correct, in that a customer-centric mindset is paramount. The adage’s origin comes from customer service, in the literal sense of the word, not the modern call center derivation.
Equally obviously, the customer has no sense of the constraints, no sense of whether what they want is damaging to other customers, no sense often what it is that their need actually is so it can be filled. So no, the customer is not always “right” when they start talking about how they want which need filled. Sometimes the complaint they voice isn’t actually what would drive them away, for example.
But they’re still right at bottom. You just have to listen more closely, ask more questions, and walk in their shoes.
Originally posted by MrArchy Rekrul made some terrific points, I would add the following (and I think this is what $OE means when they say "technically impossible") SWG:NGE and SWG:preCU are two different games - for example, one has 32 profession and the other has 9. To effect a rollback would require several developers working on many aspects of the game. In essence, doing this would require a second support staff. Basically, I think $OE doesn't believe it is financially viable to have two versions of SWG. Even if they did not create new content for a pre-CU version, it would necessitate an expanded support staff, whcih means an expanded investment. A great many refugees have said they'll never go back while $OE runs the game, hence they must be seriously questioning just how substantial a sub increase they would really get if they did invoke a rollback. Yes, most of us think they'd increase their subs, but I don't know that $OE believes this ATM (they are stupid, after all). There are also rumors that LEC won't permit licensing of another version of SWG. I have absolutely no proof of this, just heard the rumor.
ok lets look at this the intelligent way which would bring back more customers for $OE hmmm i think it is obvious.
So people keep saying rolling back to a backed up copy, rolling back to they systems a year ago, do you all really think they back their servers up and archive that back up? I really don't think they back up any more than a day or so. So yes they really can't just start their servers up from where it was in 2005.
So
Now the question is the Classic server option. EQI is doing two servers, but it seems like the rulesets are going to be up to date, just certain areas won't be. If EQi's rulesets are the same as they where when EQ first came out, then YES SWG does have the technology to do the classic server, if not we may be too far down the creek to get back.
Originally posted by genesis885 So people keep saying rolling back to a backed up copy, rolling back to they systems a year ago, do you all really think they back their servers up and archive that back up? I really don't think they back up any more than a day or so. So yes they really can't just start their servers up from where it was in 2005.
That depends. Having a 1 day backup only is a recipe for disaster. And as was demonstrated before, they have at least 1 week old backup.
I'd assume they keep weekly backups for a year or so on regular basis, possible with special copies before each major patch.
Storage is cheap these days, and apart from full weekly backups, doing diffs daily, and obviously replicating databases during run-time would be a standard practice. Most of this comes pre-packaged with databases anyway.
Originally posted by Rekrul Originally posted by Clackamas
The bottom line is, the Customer is right. And the customer, in the case of SOE/LEC and SWG have voted with the wallet: Cancelation. I see nothing compelling in your argument to say SOE cannot provide preNGE servers.
I'll let Raph answer to the "Customer is right":
Raph said on
July 5th, 2006 at 11:09 am:
“The customer is always right.”
Sigh. You’re talking past each other here.
Obviously, Prokofy is correct, in that a customer-centric mindset is paramount. The adage’s origin comes from customer service, in the literal sense of the word, not the modern call center derivation.
Equally obviously, the customer has no sense of the constraints, no sense of whether what they want is damaging to other customers, no sense often what it is that their need actually is so it can be filled. So no, the customer is not always “right” when they start talking about how they want which need filled. Sometimes the complaint they voice isn’t actually what would drive them away, for example.
But they’re still right at bottom. You just have to listen more closely, ask more questions, and walk in their shoes.
Acutally, that is flat out wrong. I know how I want each need fullfilled. If a company cannot provide both, then there is no value for me. Often, the difference between to services is 'how' that service is filled for a need. For example, which "Free Checking Account" from competing banks fills my need to be able to write checks. As most know, what "free checking account" means vary from bank to bank.
So, if a Bank A cannot do it how I want it, but Bank B can, guess who gets my Business?
And when I have no choice? Well, if the need is a luxery, as is the case with SWG, then I just don't spend the money and my retirement fund grows that much faster.
SOE doesn't understand 'which' needs of the customers are important and therefore renders the 'how' moot. The NGE is clear example of where the customer is right and SOE failed.
Originally posted by ebenholt Originally posted by royalpenalty Originally posted by Rekrul And almost everyone who asks for clean start says the following: I don't care, just give me my Jedi and pearls and barc and money and I'll be happy. Guess what? Fresh start means just that. 2000cr, CDEF and a noob melon. No economy, nothing on bazaar, no vendors, no buffs, no cities, no resources, no resource deeds, no vet rewards, no nothing. A big honking empty galaxy. And 6+ months till you get Jedi to playable level. And 2+ months till first cities are built, markets settle, supply becomes sufficient.
i'll take it!!!
And I bet a shitload of other players that canceled due to CUNGE, including me, would be overly exited to join royalplenty starting from scratch
Rekrul your pointers are good as always and I agree on what you say but if empty classic servers were to open they would be flooded...
I would have no problem going with a clean start. I would be one of those that would be excited to join starting from scratch, with one condition.
No SOE.
I might consider a clean start with SOE, but very reluctantly and with a finger hovering over the cancel button.
Originally posted by Rekrul Originally posted by genesis885 So people keep saying rolling back to a backed up copy, rolling back to they systems a year ago, do you all really think they back their servers up and archive that back up? I really don't think they back up any more than a day or so. So yes they really can't just start their servers up from where it was in 2005.
That depends. Having a 1 day backup only is a recipe for disaster. And as was demonstrated before, they have at least 1 week old backup.
I'd assume they keep weekly backups for a year or so on regular basis, possible with special copies before each major patch.
Storage is cheap these days, and apart from full weekly backups, doing diffs daily, and obviously replicating databases during run-time would be a standard practice. Most of this comes pre-packaged with databases anyway.
I seriously doubt that SOE does not have backups per Rekruls assumption as highlighted above.
The issue of going back to at least November 14th, 2005, is not a technical issue in the sense of "Engineering". And I am tired of people who do not work in Software/Hardware Engineering nor IT put forward SOEs its "technically impossible" excuse on SOEs behalf. They even backed away from that excuse at the Summits when confronted face to face with knowledgable fans.
Originally posted by KenshuAni Originally posted by ebenholt Originally posted by royalpenalty Originally posted by Rekrul And almost everyone who asks for clean start says the following: I don't care, just give me my Jedi and pearls and barc and money and I'll be happy. Guess what? Fresh start means just that. 2000cr, CDEF and a noob melon. No economy, nothing on bazaar, no vendors, no buffs, no cities, no resources, no resource deeds, no vet rewards, no nothing. A big honking empty galaxy. And 6+ months till you get Jedi to playable level. And 2+ months till first cities are built, markets settle, supply becomes sufficient.
i'll take it!!!
And I bet a shitload of other players that canceled due to CUNGE, including me, would be overly exited to join royalplenty starting from scratch
Rekrul your pointers are good as always and I agree on what you say but if empty classic servers were to open they would be flooded...
I would have no problem going with a clean start. I would be one of those that would be excited to join starting from scratch, with one condition.
No SOE.
I might consider a clean start with SOE, but very reluctantly and with a finger hovering over the cancel button.
I'd take a clean start also. But I'd probably wait about 2 weeks to make sure everything is alright and get info from those already in and make sure they didn't just add a big message that says "FOOLED YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111 NOW WE GET YOUR MONIES!!!!11111111one" as soon as you logged in.
I'm fine with trying again. As long as SOE never touches it again. And I will never be more than 1/2 a step away from the Cancel button.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment; We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
When people say rollback, them be re-implementing an older system. Not going backwards to say 7-4-05 or 7-4-04. They mean taking that system, and putting it back in on the current game. Just the way they did the CU/NGE.
When people say Classical Server, they mean a new server with an older system.
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Originally posted by zepear When people say rollback, them be re-implementing an older system. Not going backwards to say 7-4-05 or 7-4-04. They mean taking that system, and putting it back in on the current game. Just the way they did the CU/NGE.
When people say Classical Server, they mean a new server with an older system.
I get the impression most people mean what you say: rollback=re-implementing.
Pesonally I would prefere a clean server just becouse of all the garbage that are in the game right now from the previous "upgrades" would still be there. The chance of SoE failing with a re-implementation is way to high for my comfort
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Pointless rolling back since twice as many people would come back without all the shit loot that got handed out during NGE and vice versa. There's too much of a mess to reconcile pre-cu/cu/nge stuff, to try to attempt it would be a nightmare.
New fresh server, new resource spawns, docs would be buffing but we wouldnt be getting 2600 for 3.5 hours at least not yet. Abandoned houses wouldn't be an issue. Since starting from scratch would man no uber gear, we'd actually have to rely on each other to survive.
Worst thing imo pre-nge were
looted legendary weapons with insane damage
ADK kits (without them legendary weapon use would have been a bit more limited)
Resource deeds - stupid stupid stupid, it devalued everything and reduced the amount of rare items ingame that were created by using patience, craft and skill. Top crafters used to make items that were legendary among their server, that was soon replaced by numerous alts crafting items of the same quality and flooding the market.
This game would be a great laugh if we went to a brand new server and started afresh.
My input on this: They won't roll back to pre-NGE because the databases have all been converted to the new system. In order to roll back the 'servers' they would have to either roll EVERYTHING back or stand up a totally separate database system to support the old code.
Also, players would have to revert back to characters that are over 9 months old at this point. If they could even smoothly do that. It could, worst case, even wind up having anyone on a 'classic' server be forced to start over from scratch.
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As to pre-CU? Name a company that keeps backups for more than 6 months for non-critical data please? It's entirely possible that even the Pre-NGE backups are gone, at this point. I highly highly doubt that there's any pre-cu backups remaining. It could be POSSIBLE that the server code and database structures are still stored somewhere.... but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Personally I wouldn't mind starting over if it meant I could play Pre-NGE or even Pre-CU (prefer pre-NGE though... CU fixed more issues that I found pissy with the game than it broke). But I don't know how many other folks would want to have to start completely over from scratch.
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Originally posted by IcoGames At this point, the reason may be money. Why support two code-bases of a declining game?
Beccause the classic server would make more money than the one they arte currently running?
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Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by IcoGames At this point, the reason may be money. Why support two code-bases of a declining game?
Beccause the classic server would make more money than the one they arte currently running?
Hmmm... Maybe... but at this point... 9 months after the fact? I'm not so sure... alot of people probably wouldn't come back at this point, or have burned their CD's or whatever. I haven't... my CD's are still safe and sound just in case a certain codebase actually gets to a working state ... But a lot of people have. I know a couple who trashed their CD's when NGE rolled (or shortly thereafter).
If they'd done it right away? Absolutely... all 250,000 subscribers at the time would have gleefully moved to 'classic' servers. Which is why I strongly feel that NGE was poorly thought out.
It should have gone into a 'public beta' or 'open beta' and, when released, should have been either a separate game or a separate server type.
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i'm new on forum and i play star wars galaxies my whole thing is what in a logical world would make sense to these people (maybe i am not business savy enough)but it seems to me that if you give the customer's what they want you could hire more people to help maintain and direct the game with more new content....these guys are complete morons what do you need to see that this game is dying an act of god! maybe they want it dead i don't know but it sure is freakin ridiculous to continue with the sherade of adding old content as new and the same damn cookie cutter legacy quest. i wish they would at least bring some form of the skill trees back soon so we all wouldn't be the same kinda class running around.. its just really lame! i am all for pre-cu and if the emu is for real and i can i will see you there untill then i gotta bide my time with s#@t game.... sorry for the rant but i think they don't have a brain cell firing
Originally posted by Elnator Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by IcoGames At this point, the reason may be money. Why support two code-bases of a declining game?
Beccause the classic server would make more money than the one they arte currently running?
Hmmm... Maybe... but at this point... 9 months after the fact? I'm not so sure... alot of people probably wouldn't come back at this point, or have burned their CD's or whatever. I haven't... my CD's are still safe and sound just in case a certain codebase actually gets to a working state ... But a lot of people have. I know a couple who trashed their CD's when NGE rolled (or shortly thereafter).
If they'd done it right away? Absolutely... all 250,000 subscribers at the time would have gleefully moved to 'classic' servers. Which is why I strongly feel that NGE was poorly thought out.
It should have gone into a 'public beta' or 'open beta' and, when released, should have been either a separate game or a separate server type.
See.. there's where you're letting logic get in the way of $OE's business practices. They're mutually exclusive.
It would make much more sense to throw up at least one classic server and see if all those who said they'd go back would actually go back. Every straw poll I've seen on any forum runs at least 60% towards going back. Hell, they could easily allow vets to re-download the client with all re-activations. Disks just take up space.
I think $OE's biggest mistake at this point is the failure to realize they've made a mistake and should serve those who really really want to hand them 15 bucks a month and play Classic SWG. Keep your little nge vanity project all you want $OE, just give us the game we want... or the emu people will.
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Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by Elnator Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by IcoGames At this point, the reason may be money. Why support two code-bases of a declining game?
Beccause the classic server would make more money than the one they arte currently running?
Hmmm... Maybe... but at this point... 9 months after the fact? I'm not so sure... alot of people probably wouldn't come back at this point, or have burned their CD's or whatever. I haven't... my CD's are still safe and sound just in case a certain codebase actually gets to a working state ... But a lot of people have. I know a couple who trashed their CD's when NGE rolled (or shortly thereafter).
If they'd done it right away? Absolutely... all 250,000 subscribers at the time would have gleefully moved to 'classic' servers. Which is why I strongly feel that NGE was poorly thought out.
It should have gone into a 'public beta' or 'open beta' and, when released, should have been either a separate game or a separate server type.
See.. there's where you're letting logic get in the way of $OE's business practices. They're mutually exclusive.
It would make much more sense to throw up at least one classic server and see if all those who said they'd go back would actually go back. Every straw poll I've seen on any forum runs at least 60% towards going back. Hell, they could easily allow vets to re-download the client with all re-activations. Disks just take up space.
I think $OE's biggest mistake at this point is the failure to realize they've made a mistake and should serve those who really really want to hand them 15 bucks a month and play Classic SWG. Keep your little nge vanity project all you want $OE, just give us the game we want... or the emu people will.
Oh well... we can dream but we're really just pissing into the wind. SOE won't do it, they're more stubborn than my 4 year old.
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Originally posted by Elnator Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by Elnator Originally posted by Shayde Originally posted by IcoGames At this point, the reason may be money. Why support two code-bases of a declining game?
Beccause the classic server would make more money than the one they arte currently running?
Hmmm... Maybe... but at this point... 9 months after the fact? I'm not so sure... alot of people probably wouldn't come back at this point, or have burned their CD's or whatever. I haven't... my CD's are still safe and sound just in case a certain codebase actually gets to a working state ... But a lot of people have. I know a couple who trashed their CD's when NGE rolled (or shortly thereafter).
If they'd done it right away? Absolutely... all 250,000 subscribers at the time would have gleefully moved to 'classic' servers. Which is why I strongly feel that NGE was poorly thought out.
It should have gone into a 'public beta' or 'open beta' and, when released, should have been either a separate game or a separate server type.
See.. there's where you're letting logic get in the way of $OE's business practices. They're mutually exclusive.
It would make much more sense to throw up at least one classic server and see if all those who said they'd go back would actually go back. Every straw poll I've seen on any forum runs at least 60% towards going back. Hell, they could easily allow vets to re-download the client with all re-activations. Disks just take up space.
I think $OE's biggest mistake at this point is the failure to realize they've made a mistake and should serve those who really really want to hand them 15 bucks a month and play Classic SWG. Keep your little nge vanity project all you want $OE, just give us the game we want... or the emu people will.
Oh well... we can dream but we're really just pissing into the wind. SOE won't do it, they're more stubborn than my 4 year old.
$OE needs a time-out... or better yet, be taken behind the woodshed.
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Originally posted by Elnator It should have gone into a 'public beta' or 'open beta' and, when released, should have been either a separate game or a separate server type.
Of course it was tested. By the SOE Quality Assurance team:
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I'll let Raph answer to the "Customer is right":
July 5th, 2006 at 11:09 am:
“The customer is always right.”
Sigh. You’re talking past each other here.
Obviously,
Prokofy is correct, in that a customer-centric mindset is paramount.
The adage’s origin comes from customer service, in the literal sense of
the word, not the modern call center derivation.
Equally
obviously, the customer has no sense of the constraints, no sense of
whether what they want is damaging to other customers, no sense often
what it is that their need actually is so it can be filled. So no, the customer is not always “right” when they start talking about how they want which need filled. Sometimes the complaint they voice isn’t actually what would drive them away, for example.
But they’re still right at bottom. You just have to listen more closely, ask more questions, and walk in their shoes.
So
Now the question is the Classic server option. EQI is doing two servers, but it seems like the rulesets are going to be up to date, just certain areas won't be. If EQi's rulesets are the same as they where when EQ first came out, then YES SWG does have the technology to do the classic server, if not we may be too far down the creek to get back.
I'd assume they keep weekly backups for a year or so on regular basis, possible with special copies before each major patch.
Storage is cheap these days, and apart from full weekly backups, doing diffs daily, and obviously replicating databases during run-time would be a standard practice. Most of this comes pre-packaged with databases anyway.
I'll let Raph answer to the "Customer is right":
July 5th, 2006 at 11:09 am:
“The customer is always right.”
Sigh. You’re talking past each other here.
Obviously,
Prokofy is correct, in that a customer-centric mindset is paramount.
The adage’s origin comes from customer service, in the literal sense of
the word, not the modern call center derivation.
Equally
obviously, the customer has no sense of the constraints, no sense of
whether what they want is damaging to other customers, no sense often
what it is that their need actually is so it can be filled. So no, the customer is not always “right” when they start talking about how they want which need filled. Sometimes the complaint they voice isn’t actually what would drive them away, for example.
But they’re still right at bottom. You just have to listen more closely, ask more questions, and walk in their shoes.
Acutally, that is flat out wrong. I know how I want each need fullfilled. If a company cannot provide both, then there is no value for me. Often, the difference between to services is 'how'
that service is filled for a need. For example, which "Free Checking Account" from competing banks fills my need to be able to write checks. As most know, what "free checking account" means vary from bank to bank.
So, if a Bank A cannot do it how I want it, but Bank B can, guess who gets my Business?
And when I have no choice? Well, if the need is a luxery, as is the case with SWG, then I just don't spend the money and my retirement fund grows that much faster.
SOE doesn't understand 'which' needs of the customers are important and therefore renders the 'how' moot. The NGE is clear example of where the customer is right and SOE failed.
And I bet a shitload of other players that canceled due to CUNGE, including me, would be overly exited to join royalplenty starting from scratch
Rekrul your pointers are good as always and I agree on what you say but if empty classic servers were to open they would be flooded...
I would have no problem going with a clean start. I would be one of those that would be excited to join starting from scratch, with one condition.
No SOE.
I might consider a clean start with SOE, but very reluctantly and with a finger hovering over the cancel button.
I'd assume they keep weekly backups for a year or so on regular basis, possible with special copies before each major patch.
Storage is cheap these days, and apart from full weekly backups, doing diffs daily, and obviously replicating databases during run-time would be a standard practice. Most of this comes pre-packaged with databases anyway.
I seriously doubt that SOE does not have backups per Rekruls assumption as highlighted above.
The issue of going back to at least November 14th, 2005, is not a technical issue in the sense of "Engineering". And I am tired of people who do not work in Software/Hardware Engineering nor IT put forward SOEs its "technically impossible" excuse on SOEs behalf. They even backed away from that excuse at the Summits when confronted face to face with knowledgable fans.
And I bet a shitload of other players that canceled due to CUNGE, including me, would be overly exited to join royalplenty starting from scratch
Rekrul your pointers are good as always and I agree on what you say but if empty classic servers were to open they would be flooded...
I would have no problem going with a clean start. I would be one of those that would be excited to join starting from scratch, with one condition.
No SOE.
I might consider a clean start with SOE, but very reluctantly and with a finger hovering over the cancel button.
I'd take a clean start also. But I'd probably wait about 2 weeks to make sure everything is alright and get info from those already in and make sure they didn't just add a big message that says "FOOLED YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111 NOW WE GET YOUR MONIES!!!!11111111one" as soon as you logged in.
I'm fine with trying again. As long as SOE never touches it again. And I will never be more than 1/2 a step away from the Cancel button.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
They mean taking that system, and putting it back in on the current game. Just the way they did the CU/NGE.
When people say Classical Server, they mean a new server with an older system.
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General George S. Patton Jr.
Pesonally I would prefere a clean server just becouse of all the garbage that are in the game right now from the previous "upgrades" would still be there. The chance of SoE failing with a re-implementation is way to high for my comfort
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Fresh Start FTW.
Pointless rolling back since twice as many people would come back without all the shit loot that got handed out during NGE and vice versa. There's too much of a mess to reconcile pre-cu/cu/nge stuff, to try to attempt it would be a nightmare.
New fresh server, new resource spawns, docs would be buffing but we wouldnt be getting 2600 for 3.5 hours at least not yet. Abandoned houses wouldn't be an issue. Since starting from scratch would man no uber gear, we'd actually have to rely on each other to survive.
Worst thing imo pre-nge were
looted legendary weapons with insane damage
ADK kits (without them legendary weapon use would have been a bit more limited)
Resource deeds - stupid stupid stupid, it devalued everything and reduced the amount of rare items ingame that were created by using patience, craft and skill. Top crafters used to make items that were legendary among their server, that was soon replaced by numerous alts crafting items of the same quality and flooding the market.
This game would be a great laugh if we went to a brand new server and started afresh.
My input on this:
They won't roll back to pre-NGE because the databases have all been converted to the new system. In order to roll back the 'servers' they would have to either roll EVERYTHING back or stand up a totally separate database system to support the old code.
Also, players would have to revert back to characters that are over 9 months old at this point. If they could even smoothly do that. It could, worst case, even wind up having anyone on a 'classic' server be forced to start over from scratch.
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As to pre-CU? Name a company that keeps backups for more than 6 months for non-critical data please? It's entirely possible that even the Pre-NGE backups are gone, at this point. I highly highly doubt that there's any pre-cu backups remaining. It could be POSSIBLE that the server code and database structures are still stored somewhere.... but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Personally I wouldn't mind starting over if it meant I could play Pre-NGE or even Pre-CU (prefer pre-NGE though... CU fixed more issues that I found pissy with the game than it broke). But I don't know how many other folks would want to have to start completely over from scratch.
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At this point, the reason may be money. Why support two code-bases of a declining game?
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Hmmm... Maybe... but at this point... 9 months after the fact? I'm not so sure... alot of people probably wouldn't come back at this point, or have burned their CD's or whatever. I haven't... my CD's are still safe and sound just in case a certain codebase actually gets to a working state
If they'd done it right away? Absolutely... all 250,000 subscribers at the time would have gleefully moved to 'classic' servers. Which is why I strongly feel that NGE was poorly thought out.
It should have gone into a 'public beta' or 'open beta' and, when released, should have been either a separate game or a separate server type.
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Still in: A couple Betas
Hmmm... Maybe... but at this point... 9 months after the fact? I'm not so sure... alot of people probably wouldn't come back at this point, or have burned their CD's or whatever. I haven't... my CD's are still safe and sound just in case a certain codebase actually gets to a working state
If they'd done it right away? Absolutely... all 250,000 subscribers at the time would have gleefully moved to 'classic' servers. Which is why I strongly feel that NGE was poorly thought out.
It should have gone into a 'public beta' or 'open beta' and, when released, should have been either a separate game or a separate server type.
See.. there's where you're letting logic get in the way of $OE's business practices. They're mutually exclusive.
It would make much more sense to throw up at least one classic server and see if all those who said they'd go back would actually go back. Every straw poll I've seen on any forum runs at least 60% towards going back. Hell, they could easily allow vets to re-download the client with all re-activations. Disks just take up space.
I think $OE's biggest mistake at this point is the failure to realize they've made a mistake and should serve those who really really want to hand them 15 bucks a month and play Classic SWG. Keep your little nge vanity project all you want $OE, just give us the game we want... or the emu people will.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
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Hmmm... Maybe... but at this point... 9 months after the fact? I'm not so sure... alot of people probably wouldn't come back at this point, or have burned their CD's or whatever. I haven't... my CD's are still safe and sound just in case a certain codebase actually gets to a working state
If they'd done it right away? Absolutely... all 250,000 subscribers at the time would have gleefully moved to 'classic' servers. Which is why I strongly feel that NGE was poorly thought out.
It should have gone into a 'public beta' or 'open beta' and, when released, should have been either a separate game or a separate server type.
See.. there's where you're letting logic get in the way of $OE's business practices. They're mutually exclusive.
It would make much more sense to throw up at least one classic server and see if all those who said they'd go back would actually go back. Every straw poll I've seen on any forum runs at least 60% towards going back. Hell, they could easily allow vets to re-download the client with all re-activations. Disks just take up space.
I think $OE's biggest mistake at this point is the failure to realize they've made a mistake and should serve those who really really want to hand them 15 bucks a month and play Classic SWG. Keep your little nge vanity project all you want $OE, just give us the game we want... or the emu people will.
Oh well... we can dream but we're really just pissing into the wind. SOE won't do it, they're more stubborn than my 4 year old.
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Hmmm... Maybe... but at this point... 9 months after the fact? I'm not so sure... alot of people probably wouldn't come back at this point, or have burned their CD's or whatever. I haven't... my CD's are still safe and sound just in case a certain codebase actually gets to a working state
If they'd done it right away? Absolutely... all 250,000 subscribers at the time would have gleefully moved to 'classic' servers. Which is why I strongly feel that NGE was poorly thought out.
It should have gone into a 'public beta' or 'open beta' and, when released, should have been either a separate game or a separate server type.
See.. there's where you're letting logic get in the way of $OE's business practices. They're mutually exclusive.
It would make much more sense to throw up at least one classic server and see if all those who said they'd go back would actually go back. Every straw poll I've seen on any forum runs at least 60% towards going back. Hell, they could easily allow vets to re-download the client with all re-activations. Disks just take up space.
I think $OE's biggest mistake at this point is the failure to realize they've made a mistake and should serve those who really really want to hand them 15 bucks a month and play Classic SWG. Keep your little nge vanity project all you want $OE, just give us the game we want... or the emu people will.
Oh well... we can dream but we're really just pissing into the wind. SOE won't do it, they're more stubborn than my 4 year old.
$OE needs a time-out... or better yet, be taken behind the woodshed.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Of course it was tested. By the SOE Quality Assurance team: