Originally posted by BesCirga Originally posted by Dullahan The main difference in Darkfall is that the developers aren't half as interested in money as they are in making a good game that suits them and a smaller playerbase who know real pvp has been lacking in an MMO. They have spent twice as long as the above named mega corps in creating their game and open beta hasn't even begun. As far as talent is concerned.. you, most factually, don't know your proggin ass from a whole in your motherboard. CLEARLY these developers possess both more appreciation for players and ability than other game co when they have not only created these numerous works as the above mentioned AI of which you scoff but numerous other feats of technology including systems of hack detection and bringing mass numbers to a single server, the likes of which have never been dreamt of by your beloved SOE and Blizzard. Thats why both of their games are hacked inside and out. They dont give a damn about you.. just your money. They dont care about real content... thats why their games are almost totally autogenerated. Just because someone else has taken the time to make a quality game which has already shown up on the mega game companies you love doesn't mean it isnt going to happen. It aint a dream baby. Now log in and get pwned, carebear.
may i ask... do you know this is true? is it your own opinion about these devs, or are you taking a guess, that they do care for you and the game and not the money.
sounds like you wished so hard this was true, that you started to really beleive your own fantasy..
for the record.. Darkfall looks like a very nice game and i will prolly give it a try....
no its probably not completely true, but there is some truth to Dullahan's post. ive said it a few times on these forums, but ive been following Darkfall for a fairly long time, and in the numerous interviews/ircs and such, the devs have mentioned a more then a few times that they realize DF is a niche game and that they will not compromise on their game's systems in order to at least partially free themselves of the niche.
Of course they want to make money, who would want to work hard on a project for 6-7 years.. for nothing?
But they have a very strong vision about how they want to build their game. I have been very impressed with them time and time again, not straying from the original idea. And it just might be a very good idea. Just see how many traditional mmorpg's fail.
But actually it's not so much the pvp focus that will make them succeed, it's the openended sandbox model (vs eq/wow/etc. theme-park model) that is the most interesting concept. Just like UO and EVE the game provides the tools, and we (the players) decide how to play the game.
I never played UO or AC DT but I did play Shadowbane and what I learned from that game is that and open PvP based game works. Not only does it work but it builds stronger communities than all the other type of mmorpgs I have ever played. It takes a hell of alot of trust to group when you can be attacked by anyone and that alone causes good relationships to be formed.
The politics alone is what made Shadowbane such a great game which was something I never got out of WoW, EQ2 or CoH and the only reason it failed had nothing to do with PvP but had to do with crap code that had too many bugs and laggy ass servers. (think I'll name my first character in Darkfall EXE.error)
If another game comes along that can bring back that experience but actually have code worth a damn then it would be a success for the pvp crowd. Thats what I and others think or should I say hope Darkfall will bring back to the mmo market.
And all the damn carebears should be glad that this game is being made so that all of us gank loving no life griefers will leave their game so they can pick flowers, dance with eachother and kill predictable boring as hell npc mobs with out the fear of being killed and loosing their phat loot.
Originally posted by shamall And all the damn carebears should be glad that this game is being made so that all of us gank loving no life griefers will leave their game so they can pick flowers, dance with eachother and kill predictable boring as hell npc mobs with out the fear of being killed and loosing their phat loot.
hehe i think its funny how these non-carebears constantly picking on the carebears ,to make them look cooler. "damn carebears.. go dance together and live your "bent" life in harmony in your gank-free world! we are the kings of pvp! " LOL
honestly.. even tho you guys make good points pre these funny comments, your good points falls down the drain for me. because it just seem like some teen matcho BS. i hate to break it to ya, but pvpers on a all-out pvp server isnt better then a pvper on a normal server... i have played both, i know
Originally posted by Balter Since you can PVP anywhere, anyone, there will be dead corpses everywhere and 10 year old kids running around murdering the shit out of every person they see.
This game will be a disaster.
This game will never come out, but if it does, thank god a company finally has the balls to make a true pvp game again. Down with the carebears!
hard to say on vw or not. 6 years is a long time. Problem with that kind of time frame is graphics get dated even before release ala shadowbane.
Now if the code is solid they may be able to show it and get funding to redo artist work in a year with new age mmo graphics.
I hope a good player ran game releases. Rvr bgs no pvp games are dull and boreing. I remeber the days of fighting mobs and looking over my shoulder every sceond. Was i a ganker no i never really killed people unless they harmed me or my friends.
Good point to this was catskills uo pretrammerl in t2a. For whatever reason terrathan keeps terrathan warriors would drop magic weapons constantly. People went there in droves to try to farm sillver vanqs. Hehe was good fun for 6 months with pks theives and the like always big fights. Sigh i miss my bard mage 8(.
FLEA1 how is PvE fun? killing mobs for DAYS AND HOURS... its soooo fucking boring.. i play WoW and am good at that game... but am bored out of my mind...
the advertisment on this website sometimes is WoW... it says SURVIVAL OF FITTEST... DO YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES?? LOLOLOL woow look at that lie... WoW is a terrible game that has no PvP whats so ever... you cant raid citys... or kill most NPCs on the opposing side.... another funny thing is the NPCs your not aloud to kill... call an unlimited amount of guards at you to kill you.... the guards just poof right by you and start tearing your asshole apart... real fun guys... i raided stormwind with 7 of my freinds... all i did was die about 3 times... the walk(ghost form) back to my corpse was about 15 minutes each time... and i just kept dieing... REAL FUN BLIZZARD.. you cant kill anything... and i am a ganker.. i love dominating people with no skill... ive killed so many noobs in WoW its not even fun anymore... (Unless they fall off cliff or somtin)... blizzard took everythiing out of WoW that it used to have... ive been playing since launch and the game was best in the begining... and slowly got shitty...
I talk to all these decked out epicd players on WoW... and they just kill MOBS MORE!!!! how the fuck can you lvl from 1-60 killing mottles boar lvl 1.... then killing rageing boar lvl 60 ... lvling you have to be a real fuckhead to do... i lvled my first char. 60 warlock... and tried to lvl and hunter... and it was IMPOSSIBLE... game sucks and Darkfall is the opposite.,.. its very fun and killing people earns a prize thus encouraging people to gank eachother... which is a very good idea... thats what i make when i get to lvl 60
WoW sucks.... im quiting when darkfall comes out... hopefully the graphics in darkfall will be enchanced a little more... because there grose at this point of time
BesCirga I recommend you read up on Darkfall and see for yourself. Old dev posts that are archived go into great detail about what I said above. I don't just wish it was true it is documented and has been implemented. Ive followed closely most MMOs to date, esp the big ones like Everquest and WoW which I have played (for thousands of hours). I know what they are about. You obviously don't. Sony is willing to let hackers continue playing their games because people will continue paying.. Its a fact that Blizzard autogenerated their environments thus, every town has the same buildings regardless of the faction and every cave is has the exact same topography. Please don't cast doubt on posts if you don't really know what the hell you are talking about.
The DF community comes through again, chasing off anyone remotely interested in this game with their arrogant attitude.
Instead of acting like a 12 year old and talking about killing the person or resorting to insults like "Carebear," why not post out some facts. Tell them about other games like mount and blade with similar battle systems that are totally PvE and very fun. (2 person development team)
Explain to them why free pvp will foster community, create an environment where honor matters again and where getting a bad name will get you killed and the stuff that you stole will be stolen from you. Explain how this game will make crafting important and how whole guilds and alliances of guilds will honor crafters because they need high quality replacements regularly.
Tell them how the world will flex and change as resource centers will shift after every battle, and explain that the challenge of PvP mixed with world building, if done right will make a game with longevity.
I can't say if Darkfall will ever come out, but I can say that this is the way EvE is right now, except in space. Now I don't like space as much much as ground combat, at least not until they have small real time fighter combat. Anyone that's played EvE to a high level knows that the open PvP is the reason the community is so good.
I think its great that there is a totally PvP game.
Hopefully the people who like PvP will follow this game and stop trolling every other game that doesnt have full PvP saying its going to fail because it doesnt have full PvP.
kill someone loot them they are left w/ shit for nothing to continue their playing and can have hours of their play time tooken away by losing their armor, weapons etc is BS and possible changed my view on this game
The general idea is that items therefore become that much more precious, and so does survival, increasing the tension and excitement etc.
In a normal battle people would most likely use cheap armour that can be made by a clan crafter.
It should have been quite obvious that the gameplay dynamic would be like that with the words "Open PVP", but oh well.
Originally posted by _Shadowmage I think its great that there is a totally PvP game. Hopefully the people who like PvP will follow this game and stop trolling every other game that doesnt have full PvP saying its going to fail because it doesnt have full PvP. At last somewhere to send those people
kill someone loot them they are left w/ shit for nothing to continue their playing and can have hours of their play time tooken away by losing their armor, weapons etc is BS and possible changed my view on this game
trust me, its not that bad. sure dieing sucks, but thats whats great about it. makes you NOT want to die, also creates a meaningful and useful reward for when you win.
also, it doesnt suck THAT BAD... not nearly as much as i think you're thinking, its not like your losing hours of work. more like 15 minutes of some travel time and interaction with whichever crafter friend's shop is closest, or to the bank.
and if you still think its BS, then return to wherever you came from or look at vangaurd or something.
Originally posted by _Shadowmage I think its great that there is a totally PvP game. Hopefully the people who like PvP will follow this game and stop trolling every other game that doesnt have full PvP saying its going to fail because it doesnt have full PvP. At last somewhere to send those people
Likewise, I pray to God that one of these grinding games curently in the works makes it, so all those people that love to grind for weeks to get shiny, pretty pixel objects and show-off them in market square with other likeminded people (by many, this is what is called roleplaying and what MMORPGs should be all about), can finaly find a home.
Originally posted by BesCirga Originally posted by shamall And all the damn carebears should be glad that this game is being made so that all of us gank loving no life griefers will leave their game so they can pick flowers, dance with eachother and kill predictable boring as hell npc mobs with out the fear of being killed and loosing their phat loot.
hehe i think its funny how these non-carebears constantly picking on the carebears ,to make them look cooler. "damn carebears.. go dance together and live your "bent" life in harmony in your gank-free world! we are the kings of pvp! " LOL
honestly.. even tho you guys make good points pre these funny comments, your good points falls down the drain for me. because it just seem like some teen matcho BS. i hate to break it to ya, but pvpers on a all-out pvp server isnt better then a pvper on a normal server... i have played both, i know
hehe i think its funny how these carebears constantly come to the forums of games that are heavy PvP and whine about peekays and greefers and losing their stuff. Cry more noob, go back to WoW.
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wow once i started reading about darkfall i thought i might check it out (mainly because i dont want to play wow and the only game im playing atm is GW because it doesnt charge monthly) but anyway after reading what the playerbase of darkfall is like i think ill stay far away from this game but more to the point of the subject...
the game will probably be a little similar to FoM where ganking people in public/starting places usually got you killed by NPCs or other players that might "run" that area... i dont think it will be THAT bad (i know FoM was horrible but this one doesnt seem like it will be the same just similar)
Originally posted by Dullahan The intention of the Darkfall team is not to make some mmo that can easily mastered by every preteen noob, therefore filling there servers with tons of people ie WoW. This game isnt created to appeal to everyone but rather those hardcore of the real pvp mmos over the last several years. And in response to the original post specifically: the skill required to play this game will pretty much eliminate anyone under the age of 15.
lol, good going.
don't forget that this is going to be, what we call, a massively multiplayer role-playing game, that requires hundreds of thousands of suscribers for it to stay alive.
But go ahead and alienate people by saying "Ur a n00b and arnt mature enuf fer DFO!!!"
Hopefully the community won't be filled with people like you, but I fear this type of person will be in the majority.
Originally posted by unholy414 Originally posted by ArtifacT wow once i started reading about darkfall i thought i might check it out (mainly because i dont want to play wow and the only game im playing atm is GW because it doesnt charge monthly) but anyway after reading what the playerbase of darkfall is like i think ill stay far away from this game but more to the point of the subject...
[Edited by Finwe] way to put on a good face for the darkfall community. Your either an extremely obscure user of sarcasm or the most tactless and idiotic anti-carebear noob I've come across in a long time. Please leave now, your putting the rest of us in a bad light.
edit: lol i did the exact same thing as the poster above me
Dabble you say that like i wasn't intending to clarify and partly alienate people. First of all, no game requires hundreds of thousands of players to thrive. Like all things in life, when large numbers ARE drawn it is because of comprimise. Everquest comprimised to draw more players by bringing mindless expansions which were autogenerated. WoW comprimised doing much of the same and absolutely trivializing a game by making it so literally 5 year olds can play it (and young children do play it). I, for one, don't intend to spend my time playing a game that is easy in the few hours I do have to spend gaming. I'm not calling people noobs I'm just telling them that the game is designed for a different crowd. Get in or get out. Why come on this forum complaining and making me out to be a bad guy just because the game play is obviously beyond your abilities and/or desires.
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may i ask... do you know this is true? is it your own opinion about these devs, or are you taking a guess, that they do care for you and the game and not the money.
sounds like you wished so hard this was true, that you started to really beleive your own fantasy..
for the record.. Darkfall looks like a very nice game and i will prolly give it a try....
no its probably not completely true, but there is some truth to Dullahan's post. ive said it a few times on these forums, but ive been following Darkfall for a fairly long time, and in the numerous interviews/ircs and such, the devs have mentioned a more then a few times that they realize DF is a niche game and that they will not compromise on their game's systems in order to at least partially free themselves of the niche.
Of course they want to make money, who would want to work hard on a project for 6-7 years.. for nothing?
But they have a very strong vision about how they want to build their game. I have been very impressed with them time and time again, not straying from the original idea. And it just might be a very good idea. Just see how many traditional mmorpg's fail.
But actually it's not so much the pvp focus that will make them succeed, it's the openended sandbox model (vs eq/wow/etc. theme-park model) that is the most interesting concept. Just like UO and EVE the game provides the tools, and we (the players) decide how to play the game.
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I never played UO or AC DT but I did play Shadowbane and what I learned from that game is that and open PvP based game works. Not only does it work but it builds stronger communities than all the other type of mmorpgs I have ever played. It takes a hell of alot of trust to group when you can be attacked by anyone and that alone causes good relationships to be formed.
The politics alone is what made Shadowbane such a great game which was something I never got out of WoW, EQ2 or CoH and the only reason it failed had nothing to do with PvP but had to do with crap code that had too many bugs and laggy ass servers. (think I'll name my first character in Darkfall EXE.error)
If another game comes along that can bring back that experience but actually have code worth a damn then it would be a success for the pvp crowd. Thats what I and others think or should I say hope Darkfall will bring back to the mmo market.
And all the damn carebears should be glad that this game is being made so that all of us gank loving no life griefers will leave their game so they can pick flowers, dance with eachother and kill predictable boring as hell npc mobs with out the fear of being killed and loosing their phat loot.
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hehe i think its funny how these non-carebears constantly picking on the carebears ,to make them look cooler. "damn carebears.. go dance together and live your "bent" life in harmony in your gank-free world! we are the kings of pvp! " LOL
honestly.. even tho you guys make good points pre these funny comments, your good points falls down the drain for me. because it just seem like some teen matcho BS. i hate to break it to ya, but pvpers on a all-out pvp server isnt better then a pvper on a normal server... i have played both, i know
hard to say on vw or not. 6 years is a long time. Problem with that kind of time frame is graphics get dated even before release ala shadowbane.
Now if the code is solid they may be able to show it and get funding to redo artist work in a year with new age mmo graphics.
I hope a good player ran game releases. Rvr bgs no pvp games are dull and boreing. I remeber the days of fighting mobs and looking over my shoulder every sceond. Was i a ganker no i never really killed people unless they harmed me or my friends.
Good point to this was catskills uo pretrammerl in t2a. For whatever reason terrathan keeps terrathan warriors would drop magic weapons constantly. People went there in droves to try to farm sillver vanqs. Hehe was good fun for 6 months with pks theives and the like always big fights. Sigh i miss my bard mage 8(.
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FLEA1 how is PvE fun? killing mobs for DAYS AND HOURS... its soooo fucking boring.. i play WoW and am good at that game... but am bored out of my mind...
the advertisment on this website sometimes is WoW... it says SURVIVAL OF FITTEST... DO YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES?? LOLOLOL woow look at that lie... WoW is a terrible game that has no PvP whats so ever... you cant raid citys... or kill most NPCs on the opposing side.... another funny thing is the NPCs your not aloud to kill... call an unlimited amount of guards at you to kill you.... the guards just poof right by you and start tearing your asshole apart... real fun guys... i raided stormwind with 7 of my freinds... all i did was die about 3 times... the walk(ghost form) back to my corpse was about 15 minutes each time... and i just kept dieing... REAL FUN BLIZZARD.. you cant kill anything... and i am a ganker.. i love dominating people with no skill... ive killed so many noobs in WoW its not even fun anymore... (Unless they fall off cliff or somtin)... blizzard took everythiing out of WoW that it used to have... ive been playing since launch and the game was best in the begining... and slowly got shitty...
I talk to all these decked out epicd players on WoW... and they just kill MOBS MORE!!!! how the fuck can you lvl from 1-60 killing mottles boar lvl 1.... then killing rageing boar lvl 60 ... lvling you have to be a real fuckhead to do... i lvled my first char. 60 warlock... and tried to lvl and hunter... and it was IMPOSSIBLE... game sucks and Darkfall is the opposite.,.. its very fun and killing people earns a prize thus encouraging people to gank eachother... which is a very good idea...
thats what i make when i get to lvl 60
WoW sucks.... im quiting when darkfall comes out... hopefully the graphics in darkfall will be enchanced a little more... because there grose at this point of time
BesCirga I recommend you read up on Darkfall and see for yourself. Old dev posts that are archived go into great detail about what I said above. I don't just wish it was true it is documented and has been implemented. Ive followed closely most MMOs to date, esp the big ones like Everquest and WoW which I have played (for thousands of hours). I know what they are about. You obviously don't. Sony is willing to let hackers continue playing their games because people will continue paying.. Its a fact that Blizzard autogenerated their environments thus, every town has the same buildings regardless of the faction and every cave is has the exact same topography. Please don't cast doubt on posts if you don't really know what the hell you are talking about.
The DF community comes through again, chasing off anyone remotely interested in this game with their arrogant attitude.
Instead of acting like a 12 year old and talking about killing the person or resorting to insults like "Carebear," why not post out some facts. Tell them about other games like mount and blade with similar battle systems that are totally PvE and very fun. (2 person development team)
Explain to them why free pvp will foster community, create an environment where honor matters again and where getting a bad name will get you killed and the stuff that you stole will be stolen from you. Explain how this game will make crafting important and how whole guilds and alliances of guilds will honor crafters because they need high quality replacements regularly.
Tell them how the world will flex and change as resource centers will shift after every battle, and explain that the challenge of PvP mixed with world building, if done right will make a game with longevity.
I can't say if Darkfall will ever come out, but I can say that this is the way EvE is right now, except in space. Now I don't like space as much much as ground combat, at least not until they have small real time fighter combat. Anyone that's played EvE to a high level knows that the open PvP is the reason the community is so good.
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is BS and possible changed my view on this game
I think its great that there is a totally PvP game.
Hopefully the people who like PvP will follow this game and stop trolling every other game that doesnt have full PvP saying its going to fail because it doesnt have full PvP.
At last somewhere to send those people
In a normal battle people would most likely use cheap armour that can be made by a clan crafter.
It should have been quite obvious that the gameplay dynamic would be like that with the words "Open PVP", but oh well.
and tooken!?
also, it doesnt suck THAT BAD... not nearly as much as i think you're thinking, its not like your losing hours of work. more like 15 minutes of some travel time and interaction with whichever crafter friend's shop is closest, or to the bank.
and if you still think its BS, then return to wherever you came from or look at vangaurd or something.
hehe i think its funny how these non-carebears constantly picking on the carebears ,to make them look cooler. "damn carebears.. go dance together and live your "bent" life in harmony in your gank-free world! we are the kings of pvp! " LOL
honestly.. even tho you guys make good points pre these funny comments, your good points falls down the drain for me. because it just seem like some teen matcho BS. i hate to break it to ya, but pvpers on a all-out pvp server isnt better then a pvper on a normal server... i have played both, i know
hehe i think its funny how these carebears constantly come to the forums of games that are heavy PvP and whine about peekays and greefers and losing their stuff. Cry more noob, go back to WoW.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Isn't this carebear when death itself doesn't force permadeath ?
the game will probably be a little similar to FoM where ganking people in public/starting places usually got you killed by NPCs or other players that might "run" that area... i dont think it will be THAT bad (i know FoM was horrible but this one doesnt seem like it will be the same just similar)
lol, good going.
don't forget that this is going to be, what we call, a massively multiplayer role-playing game, that requires hundreds of thousands of suscribers for it to stay alive.
But go ahead and alienate people by saying "Ur a n00b and arnt mature enuf fer DFO!!!"
Hopefully the community won't be filled with people like you, but I fear this type of person will be in the majority.
way to put on a good face for the darkfall community. Your either an extremely obscure user of sarcasm or the most tactless and idiotic anti-carebear noob I've come across in a long time. Please leave now, your putting the rest of us in a bad light.
edit: lol i did the exact same thing as the poster above me
Dabble you say that like i wasn't intending to clarify and partly alienate people. First of all, no game requires hundreds of thousands of players to thrive. Like all things in life, when large numbers ARE drawn it is because of comprimise. Everquest comprimised to draw more players by bringing mindless expansions which were autogenerated. WoW comprimised doing much of the same and absolutely trivializing a game by making it so literally 5 year olds can play it (and young children do play it). I, for one, don't intend to spend my time playing a game that is easy in the few hours I do have to spend gaming. I'm not calling people noobs I'm just telling them that the game is designed for a different crowd. Get in or get out. Why come on this forum complaining and making me out to be a bad guy just because the game play is obviously beyond your abilities and/or desires.