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Some one out there please make a non carebear skillbased non level system mmorpg..

periodperiod Member Posts: 56

PLEASE im so sick of these carebear PVE EQ wannabe mmorpg games. They need to bring back old school UO where it was a thrill just to step out of the home town, what was fun about UO also was there were rare items to hunt but no overpowered item BS system or level system BS where its all about skill. Were in games like old school UO you didnt see the other players level such in WoW for example you know a player is a higher level because you see their skull or red level number or a higher number level.

In UO you didnt know who was a badass and who wasnt it was all by your players name. If you died and lost all your items oh well your fault.

UO had a playerbase of i think 250k? Back when there was no trammel BS or no insurance or neon oooo colored items. Now UO is just a 2d 15$ a month diablo 2. PLEASE will a american company please bring back true PVP no carebear hold hands yugioh friendship BS MMorpg again.

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  • HorsebathHorsebath Member Posts: 7
    I agree.

  • DeletedAcctDeletedAcct Member Posts: 883
    I myself don't care for full-on ganking enabled PvP, but I realize some people do and I empathise with you for wanting something so badly that just isn't available at the moment. Unfortunately, for you and others who prefer the full PvP game, there will probably be little to no relief until PvP enthusiast become a majority vote in the genre. Hardcore PvP fans are a minority right now and have been for a long time. Devs make the games mainly based on where the money is at. PvP is too low on that list. The closest thing right now would be Eve but being nothing more than a picture with a ship is very limiting. If Eve had been made with actual avatar's and planets to run around on, it could have been very big. Even non-PvP players probably would've ended up subscribing, thus increasing it's population/status and maybe opening more devs up to the idea of PvP centric games. Alas, they did not. So, I hope someday you find what you are looking for, but for now your horizon is looking pretty bleak
  • hadzhadz Member Posts: 712

    Welcome to the weekly..."bring back old school UO" post...

    Your genre is dead...and...

    Nobody cares.

    Carebear this -> ::::07::

  • paulscottpaulscott Member Posts: 5,613
    sorry your type of game doesn't work anymore. 

    I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    ok, this poster is absolutely rediculous.

    first he makes a post that WoW is the best mmorpg out there

    Then he makes a post saying he tried the Everquest 2 trial, read about it, and then says WoW isn't the best MMORPG, but Everquest 2 is

    next he says Dark and Light is the best thing since sliced bread

    and now he cries for UO...







  • Jerek_Jerek_ Member Posts: 409

    shadowbane- its still rollin' along holding up the PvP flag.

    besides SB, the current crop of MMO's is bleak for true PvP...  But I'll hold out, vote with my wallet, and keep faith that what we really want will make it.  best you can do

  • herculeshercules Member UncommonPosts: 4,925


    Originally posted by period

    PLEASE im so sick of these carebear PVE EQ wannabe mmorpg games. They need to bring back old school UO where it was a thrill just to step out of the home town, what was fun about UO also was there were rare items to hunt but no overpowered item BS system or level system BS where its all about skill. Were in games like old school UO you didnt see the other players level such in WoW for example you know a player is a higher level because you see their skull or red level number or a higher number level.

    In UO you didnt know who was a badass and who wasnt it was all by your players name. If you died and lost all your items oh well your fault.

    UO had a playerbase of i think 250k? Back when there was no trammel BS or no insurance or neon oooo colored items. Now UO is just a 2d 15$ a month diablo 2. PLEASE will a american company please bring back true PVP no carebear hold hands yugioh friendship BS MMorpg again.


    Actually UO hit its prime in sub numbers well after trammel which was 2003 and it was about 250k .
  • LeGrayLeGray Member UncommonPosts: 65

    iirc darkfall has some kind of open pvp (read about it some time ago, not sure atm).

  • BrianshoBriansho Member UncommonPosts: 3,586
    Everybody loves PvP until they get pkayed, then they whip out the nerf horn crying the game is unbalanced. Then the go straight to the messageboards whining about greefers and act like the people are killers IRL. 

    Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!

  • chungalungchungalung Member Posts: 17

    well the way the mmo industry is going as of today, sort of reminds me of the liberal main stream media where the majority of the information is misleading.

    especially the majority of the mmo playerbase and industry are a bunch of mmo gamers who can't take it like a man to get killed by another player either overwhemingly or not.

    in the past, I actually had lots of fun hunting down hard core player killers in a clan while we were on teamspeak. most of them were nice and good sport players if they were hunted down by our clan.

    nobody knows what the true meaning of a multiplayer with player social interation really is.

  • UmbroodUmbrood Member UncommonPosts: 1,809

    No sweat, you just need to find an American company, or from any other country for that matter, that are willing to lose million of dollars.

    The UO argument is extremely dead, it was what is was because it was the ONLY thing around.

    You either played UO or you did not play an MMO at all, aside perhaps of Meridian or The Realm.

    Today people have options, and very very few are willing to chose one were their gaming experience is ruled and set by immature, ( young or old ) pricks with to much time on their hands.

    And even if such a game was made it would never be enough for the "hardcore" ganking crowd, as there would be no easy prey, see my options point for clarification.

    Such a game would be populated only by the real PvP people, and mate, judging from your post you are NOT one of them, I have yet to meet a true PvP'er who uses the word 'carebear' in a detrimental fashion.

    Real PvP takes a brain, and the posession of one also makes you able to understand that there are actually different people in this world and not all who do not think like you are a < insert profanity here >.

    And sadly there just is not enough such people around to finance such a game. 

    If you did indeed play old UO, ( and frankly I would say about 90% of the "old UO was teh best" screamers only read about it and are now trying to come across as a hardass ), you were either very very young or you show that the old saying of "with age comes wisdom" is not at all true.

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  • RoinRoin Member RarePosts: 3,444


    Originally posted by Umbrood

    No sweat, you just need to find an American company, or from any other country for that matter, that are willing to lose million of dollars.
    The UO argument is extremely dead, it was what is was because it was the ONLY thing around.
    You either played UO or you did not play an MMO at all, aside perhaps of Meridian or The Realm.
    Today people have options, and very very few are willing to chose one were their gaming experience is ruled and set by immature, ( young or old ) pricks with to much time on their hands.
    And even if such a game was made it would never be enough for the "hardcore" ganking crowd, as there would be no easy prey, see my options point for clarification.
    Such a game would be populated only by the real PvP people, and mate, judging from your post you are NOT one of them, I have yet to meet a true PvP'er who uses the word 'carebear' in a detrimental fashion.
    Real PvP takes a brain, and the posession of one also makes you able to understand that there are actually different people in this world and not all who do not think like you are a < insert profanity here >.
    And sadly there just is not enough such people around to finance such a game. 
    If you did indeed play old UO, ( and frankly I would say about 90% of the "old UO was teh best" screamers only read about it and are now trying to come across as a hardass ), you were either very very young or you show that the old saying of "with age comes wisdom" is not at all true.


    WoW.... that's all I can say.  I felt like I just read the Bible version of MMORPG philosphy.  I dont think i've read a post more accurate and true then this one.  At least not in a very long time.

    Umbrood all I can say is   Keep preaching brother.  Amen!

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  • chungalungchungalung Member Posts: 17

    oh so... wonder if that tells me in order for a company to survive in the mmo market, there must be a safe haven for people who don't like non-consensual pvp.

    if you do it right, there can be some small safe zones for the newbies to wonder around in and the rest of the game map is full out pvp. in the safe zones, you could make some cash and descent exp by killing other npcs and making money. but in the non-safe zones, there were bigger rewards compared to the safe zones but there was indeed a risk involved. you could build your character one way in the safe zone most of the time, and do the rest in non-safe zones. netdiaspora a dead 2d space mmo was the perfect example.

  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414

    >.> <.<

    You mean like...

    Fury

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  • OwynOwyn Member Posts: 337
    Nah, maybe 1 in 10 players prefers this style of gameplay - even AFTER they've played it.  I'll admit, the numbers who say they want it are probably quite a bit higher than those who actually like it once they get it.  ;)

    It's just a matter of preferred risk level in the game, really.  Like a lot of people here would not enjoy sky diving as a hobby; and most of us don't own motorcycles; most people prefer hobbies with less real physical risk for them involved.  Likewise, most players prefer games with less emotional risk tied to the game; no one cares if a computer beat them, but being beaten by a player is an emotional risk that many people don't want to deal with.  In an MMORPG, you run the risk of being beaten not just be a considerate and courteous foe, but by the total jerks out there too.  It's not everyones' idea of a good time!

    But upcoming?  Darkfall is the best bet, probably.  Vanguard has promised a pvp server on release, with hints it might be full pvp.  Trials of Ascension lists itself as a full pvp game with seige gameplay.  So some options ARE coming up.  ;)

    As the overall pool of players grows, the pool of people who prefer full pvp grows too.  Given time, an EQ-sized full pvp game is certainly a possibility.  There already exists one with closing on 150,000 players (Eve Online), which NEVER could have happened six years ago (although partly that is due to Eve's very well designed pvp system).


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  • Agricola1Agricola1 Member UncommonPosts: 4,977
    EVE Online, no grinding dependent level system and plenty of full on no holds barred PvP if you want it.

    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

    CS Lewis

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431

    Eve online is pretty boring, no offense, ive tried it many times, and never could get into it, and besides that you need more than 2 months to even get to try pvp, and even then youll still be sorely lacking, what it really comes down to, just like every other game, is numbers in the pvp encounter. All gank, all stank.

  • grimbojgrimboj Member Posts: 2,102


    Originally posted by period

     PLEASE will a american company please bring back true PVP no carebear hold hands yugioh friendship BS MMorpg again.


    FOM would meet your criteria if it had content or skills :) The feeling of ganking someone when theyre transferring a full locker of stuff is great :)

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    Note: PlayNC will refuse to allow you access to your account if you forget your password and can't provide a scanned image of the product key for the first product you purchased..... LOL

  • tdwg999tdwg999 Member Posts: 3
    Darkfall.

  • BuZZKilgoreBuZZKilgore Member Posts: 525
    It's called Battlefield 2, try it. 8)
  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431

    the problem is numbers, if you want to make a mmo hardcore, take out numbers, force the people playing to learn what is better than what, what monster is tougher than what.

    too many people are concerned with uber stats, and its downhill from there

  • ianubisiianubisi Member Posts: 4,201


    Originally posted by period
    UO had a playerbase of i think 250k? Back when there was no trammel BS or no insurance or neon oooo colored items.

    Incorrect. Their numbers quadrupled to about 250K subscribers when Trammel was implemented.

  • keke`keke` Member UncommonPosts: 33
    UO was great for a year or so. It had the best gameplay ever. It's the
    only game I've ever tried where it was possible to make a living off of
    cutting down trees and making boards. Really great game, but
    unfortunately it got too many of them mindless-pk-people-with-no-job
    running around just, yes, mindlessly killing people because they had no
    job and instead just decided to kill the ones who had one. You probably
    say I could just have invested time in learning how to fight back, but
    well, there'd be no point. They were always those one, two or three
    steps ahead.

  • Blaze323232Blaze323232 Member Posts: 196
    why don't u just go play UO if its so great?

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