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Jorev
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Attending is way better then killing rats!
Attending is done, and finished! Rats live on and sometimes they are the only quests you find in some games.
RATs also means - bot users and cheaters and such. Who's mad enough to prefer that!?
Did it in 7 hours...could have done it in less! Now I never have to see it again, cause my attributes for my character are perfect. The great thing about attending....once you've done it, its gone forever, unless you restart your character. I would wait for a magistrate before restarting a character though, since a Magistrate can just take you off attending instantly if he knows you've already gone through it. Don't know if he will do the same for totally new players.
Grinding for rats never ends. There is always farming and all that. I think a temp annoyance is way better then a game where you never see the end of Rats.
Though I must be honest, they could have made attending more useful and interesting.
Edit: Knowing Jorev he's probably going to use other accounts to tip the balance in favour of Rats....really he is that much of a troll. I swear he uses several accounts to push the votes to the way he wants them to be so he can troll the game some more.
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Attending. It is tedious, but so is killing rats. When you are trying to get out of attending, you socialize.
Don't get me wrong, it's an horrible system. But it's better than killing rats :P
- Starcius
Killing rats is such a solo boring crappy thing.
By the way, I did Attending in 7 hours solo! Just so you know, that could have been 5 hours with someone assisting me. Imagine how little it would have taken with 4 players assisting me....
Each player halfs the time it takes to create a pile.
PS: People Jorev is one of the biggest RV trolls on MMORPG.com .... he said that RB can abuse the verm even though it has a player runned economy where anything and everything can be made by the players.....so how does RB controll what price the players should put their stuff up. They still make a profit. Also jorev, the devs provided NPC which give money for tedius boring errant jobs, instead of using the verm. You can go up to an NPC, type errant and he may give you a job to do. That job pays you money most of the time, and so its an alternative to the Verm. The final reason they aren't abusing the Verm.....well its not up for one!
Its down for the moment so noone can put money in lol. At the moment NPC prices are crazy for some items, but thats because there is no player based economy since all the players are just starting out. Once the players all specialise in something, NPCs will also lower their prices. The NPC prices are available to those people who don't want to craft, or don't want to wait for an item. At the moment we use the NPCs to help start off the economy usign what they provide. Anyway, its obvious...the Verm is no issue, its not being abused.
Actually I wish they would put it up....I wanna put more money in, so I can start a something to generate more money then myself.
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Rats any day because at least its optional and i can swing on it.
Attending i must do it and i can't even combat till i do it.
Also killing rats is sooo 1999.No mmorpg in last 3 years makes you do this anymore.They drive you directly into killing social mobs and quests.EQ2 starts you killing goblins that talk and drop loot and are part of a quest.WoW does it even better at start.
Rat killing is an ancient thing which no mmorpg does anymore apart from those which made it such back in 1999.The last game post 1999 which sort of forced you to do anything totally boring was Eve which was mine for like 30-40 mins and thats been taken out.
So there is little reason to even compare rat bashing to attending as it speaks badly of RV.It makes it look like the game de evolved back to 1999.
Personally i rather RB focus on removing attending altogether.It hurs the game and people who say its not bad at all are hurting the game.If RB wake up and change the system they will stand a better chance of the game becoming a success but pretending nothing is wrong will only hurt the game.
Attending is extremely awful, I agree. Rest assured that there is a lot of talk over attending on the official forums. We managed to get a straight answer from the devs: Attending Will Change. That is good enough for me. I believe they will get it ready before the full final release, so everything will be OK.
- Starcius
Well it's good to know that the pre-payers got to pay to beta for their final release then...
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
Actually this is release.This is no longer beta and its the launch server.All thats happening is folks that pre ordered are rewarded with a head start not a continue to beta status.
Other games do the same and is common practise to reward pre orders for their faith with an earlier start but this is all live versions of the game and should be treated like such.
Anyway, I say just come back in a month if you don't like it, but seriously, you are making a bigger issue then needed out of it.
By the way, Rat killing is like saying kill 30 of these. WoW includes that, but you don't have to do it by force. Rat killing in other games, you must do by force. Most games have it because its the only way to improve your character. Most Korean MMO's have it worse then western european games, though many western european games have something similar.
I don't think attending is worse then a Korean game's requirement to grind. WoW also requires you to quest grind, so no you aren't given any freedom either. EQ, I am not sure. Many if not most games require you to kill rats, including games like city of heroes (example: kill 20 outcasters).
Practically every game has rat killing. I don't see what there is to complain about since Attending is just a one off thing and then its done. I think we have a whiner alert, because Rat killing you can never escape in some MMOs.
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Hmm i know its been 6 months since i quit WoW but can't recall any rats?There were some fun rats that died in one hit but never any rats that i saw that gave experience or were required for any quests.
Korean games i have no idea i tried a few and never bothered to go thru them for more then a week at most.They seems to be like a second job much like attending.
Anyhow not very important
And telling you to kill several wolves, several ice bears and several pigs, is like killing rats....you have to go and search for them and kill the same Mob time after time. The only way you can progress in WoW is by quest grinding, otherwise MoB gridning is just too slow. Roma Victor allows you to progress your character anyway you like. Roma Victor has this stupid thing called Attending which you keep whining about cause you are too lazy to complete it. It takes less then half a day to do solo, and can be done in several hours with help from the community. Instead of getting rid of the attending, why not do what everyone else on the RV forums has done and
I don't know what to put here yet.
And telling you to kill several wolves, several ice bears and several pigs, is like killing rats....you have to go and search for them and kill the same Mob time after time. The only way you can progress in WoW is by quest grinding, otherwise MoB gridning is just too slow. Roma Victor allows you to progress your character anyway you like. Roma Victor has this stupid thing called Attending which you keep whining about cause you are too lazy to complete it. It takes less then half a day to do solo, and can be done in several hours with help from the community. Instead of getting rid of the attending, why not do what everyone else on the RV forums has done and
You really should learn to be civil.Trust me on this site people rate community very highly and you are giving the community a bad name with insults and i can say RV community is generally matured.
As it s grenkal(or something like that) has been posting insults against yet another person who had issues with the game and this does not speak very well.Keep it constructive,cut out the insults and post your views.
Cut out the insults and trust me you get more people to listen to you.Also space your words and it becomes readable.
Its actually friendly advise but its for you to take it or not.
And can't you do with Attending?
The only thing that is blocked from you is PvP.
- Starcius
And can't you do with Attending?
The only thing that is blocked from you is PvP.
Well seems the voices are heard and RB apparently making it a top priority to sort out attending.
Rather then say hey attending is great fun etc lets make the developers be aware.Yes you can say post it on offical forum but then we are keeping those who have not bought the game out in the dark and will go into the game not realising what awaits them.Again for those new to the site this is what the forum is actually for information!Its not a forum to hype or unhype a game POINTLESSLY.
So if something as annoying is still in the game in under 2 weeks when more come in they will know of it and be warned.
Ofc if its sorted by then i will be the first(bet someone will beat me to it though) to post that a better alternative now exists in the game.
I think unlike DnL ,RB wants to go on long term and are more intrested in making the game good fun.While DnL was out for the cash.This is the one thing that gives me still some faith in the game and hope RB can sort this out soon.
Completely agreed. I have already pointed out quite a lot of times here, in the MMORPG.com boards, how tedious and frustrating Attending is. In the quotation above, though, I was merely stating the fact that while Attending, the only thing that is locked from you is PvP. It is still incredibly monotonous
- Starcius
I just don't understand why they released such a stupid concept as attending. It's linear, it's boring.
Didn't anyone beta test this game?
I like attending, I think its difficult enough to keep most the carebears and whiners away; they would end up cluttering the forums with complaints and begging for nerfs and changes anway. So, I see attending as more of an initiation, an initiation that will weed out the types of players I don't want to be playing with.
If anything, Attending should be more difficult.
Please, sempiternal, fanboyism doesn't help RB. We all know that.
- Starcius
Fanboi? This is my honest opinion.
I like attending, I think its difficult enough to keep most the carebears and whiners away; they would end up cluttering the forums with complaints and begging for nerfs and changes anway. So, I see attending as more of an initiation, an initiation that will weed out the types of players I don't want to be playing with.
If anything, Attending should be more difficult.
I think the fact that attending is considered challenging by a lot of people is not necessarily a bad thing. One problem is that different people have different notions to what is challenging. Ideally, you would have fun WHILE doing the challenge and it be sufficiently challenging that you would feel a sense of accomplishment once you "win your freedom" and get outta attending. You don't wanna make attending so drab and pointless that nobody wants to play through it and that doesn't help anyone
I mentionned this idea in another thread that I think they should make attending more flexible for different gaming styles so more people can have fun WHILE doing the attending/challenge. An example of this is that RB said they want to implement a way to fight your way into freedom instead of just crafting your way out (hope they implement this soon). For now I think they could offer more choice in completing the crafting tasks.
My initiation and weeding out begins and ends when my credit card takes the charge.
Attending wouldn't be bad if the tasks were related to what skills you want to do, the ones you put points into (and was shorter). I don't know enough about the skills and which ones are implemented to say for sure what I want to do in game, but I can guarantee you it ISN'T whatever involves putting tons of clay into a pile for hours.
Nice someone actually wants to do attending