PC vs XBox360?

spunger · June 2006

Are they seriously going to pit PC players against XBox360 players? Wow, good luck to all who are going to use an xbox...you have absolutely no chance of ever winning. I can already see whats going to happen. All the PC guys are gonna dominate the Xbox guys till all the xbox guys cry and quit the game.

Mikey0002 · June 2006

Dude, I think there was an error. I believe the Xbox360 version is seperate, or there was some misunderstanding, since they make it sound like an individual game from the PC game. It sounds stupid putting PC players against Xbox players.

Anyway, show some more maturity and respect, its probably a misunderstanding....I read about it aswell, but it makes no sense, and probably was misunderstood, or not well explained enough.

Tinybina · June 2006

Originally posted by Mikey0002
Dude, I think there was an error. I believe the Xbox360 version is seperate, or there was some misunderstanding, since they make it sound like an individual game from the PC game. It sounds stupid putting PC players against Xbox players.

Hope your right and there was a error but I kinda doubt it. For those
just wondering what we are talking about here is the quote from the
MMORPG review.

"Players from PC and from the XBox will be able to go toe to toe and
maybe at last we’ll find out who are the better FPS players. Players on
PC will be able to choose the side of the Sapiens or the Alternatives.
On the XBox 360 players will be able to play as a part of the Human
Liberation Organization (HLO) and fight against the Sapiens and
Alternatives in order to “unshackle the oppressed Hybrids”

Hopefully
they have a beta with both PC and Xbox players so that we can show them
that Xbox users have no hope agianst thier PC counterparts.....

L0k1- · June 2006

well i think when huxley comes out for xbox360 there might be a xbox360 keyboard/mouse available, so that would even the odds a bit on the battlefield

Tinybina · June 2006

Found this quote on another site...Taken from a dude that was at E3 06.

"Later in 2007, an Xbox 360 version of the
game will launch, which will introduce a third side to the mix. Xbox 360 players will also be treated to a
single-player game and storyline before they go online and compete directly
with players running the PC versions.
While having a cross-platform MMOG is very cool, I’m not sure I like the
segregation of PC and Xbox players into different races and classes. Also, as I predicted last year, performance
was an obvious problem during the tournaments – there was noticeable lag during
the heavier battles, even when playing on beefy SLI-powered PCs and with only
16 players (plus all the NPCs, of course).
Still, the potential for Huxley is even larger than SUN, as there is
currently no other MMOG on the market that has been able to really capture the
FPS gamer."

The last part has me down, I figured with the UT engine lag would be the last of our worries... Hopefully they can get this worked out.. But frankly im starting to doubt most MMORPG developers capabilities.

Mikey0002 · June 2006

Originally posted by Tinybina

Also, as I predicted last year, performance
was an obvious problem during the tournaments – there was noticeable lag during
the heavier battles, even when playing on beefy SLI-powered PCs and with only
16 players (plus all the NPCs, of course).

I am sorry, but what game is he talking about? He can't mean huxley, since its not finished and the Unreal 3 engine is still very very new. Aside from that the unreal engine is usually the greatest, most spectacular engine that there is, with incredible capabilities. I know of several MMO's being created with the unreal engine, and I know of only Huxley being created using the Unreal Engine 3.

There is a worry though that it will lag, since I have no idea what to expect from the Unreal Engine 3. But I always expected to be state of the art, with very little performance problems for the standard pc of today. I don't expect to play games with full graphics on that game but similar.

Tinybina · June 2006

Originally posted by Mikey0002

Originally posted by Tinybina

Also, as I predicted last year, performance
was an obvious problem during the tournaments – there was noticeable lag during
the heavier battles, even when playing on beefy SLI-powered PCs and with only
16 players (plus all the NPCs, of course).

I am sorry, but what game is he talking about? He can't mean huxley, since its not finished and the Unreal 3 engine is still very very new. Aside from that the unreal engine is usually the greatest, most spectacular engine that there is, with incredible capabilities. I know of several MMO's being created with the unreal engine, and I know of only Huxley being created using the Unreal Engine 3.

There is a worry though that it will lag, since I have no idea what to expect from the Unreal Engine 3. But I always expected to be state of the art, with very little performance problems for the standard pc of today. I don't expect to play games with full graphics on that game but similar.

He is talking about Huxley and from what I gather he tested the game at E3 06.. Look I dont want there to be any problems either with the game.. But looks like Performance is a problem going by the demo that they had at E3... Hopefully they can get those things worked out by realease.. I want this game to be a hit more then anyone, however after playing PS for so long and watching it fall on its face I dont know if these developers can pull it off.. Just dont know..

chronic05 · June 2006

yeh i have heard about this PC players playing xbox 360 players bill gates said something about it at E3 i think i watched a little trailer about him talking about it and they have a preview of a PC player playing a Xbox 360 player. the PC player was in first person view and the xbox 360 was playing in 3rd person view looked kind of cool.
if they do get this worked out and pc players can battle with xbox 360 players i cant wait till they make a battlefield 2 game allowing pc players to fight xbox 360 players, i know battlefield 2 doesnt have anything to do with this game or anything to do with MMORPG games, its just an idear

xPaladin · June 2006

Eh, don't be so quick to bash 360 players. Some of them can use the analogs as well as a mouse. It's all about configurations and sensitivites. Also Huxley itself doesn't appear to be a very *FAST* game like Quake, Unreal Tournament, or Counter Strike. It looks to be on the pace of Battlefield, which means 360 players should do fairly well.

I understand where the animosity comes from though. There's nothing more fustrating for me personally than getting suckered into and horribly losing a game of "softcore" Halo (25 - 3) against people I regularly eat for breakfast (15 - -2) in just about any other "hardcore" FPS.

baff · June 2006

If the levels are designed poorly, an Unreal game will lag multiplayer.

Dr.Jay · July 2006

there is going to be a battle of the pc and the xbx360.pc gamers, and the person who sed that pcgamers would own 360 gamers your rong,:} you have to remember that deres some options to tune up the controls for 360 so the pc gamers and teh 360 players would be easily matched. Also it just doesnt depend upon the options, it also depends on how fast your hand is and so on and also it depends on how smrt you are

Nitrock · July 2006

Originally posted by spunger
Are they seriously going to pit PC players against XBox360 players? Wow, good luck to all who are going to use an xbox...you have absolutely no chance of ever winning. I can already see whats going to happen. All the PC guys are gonna dominate the Xbox guys till all the xbox guys cry and quit the game.

They both will be combined on one server, which I think it's a good thing. I think that they will both have advantages, if it's a one vs one match then a pc player should win the majority of the time, but it will be alot easier to control vehicles with a controller. The main thing in this game will be numbers not just personal skill, you will need the numbers to win.

Mestovah · July 2006

I've been gaming since I was seven years old. I've become a Ghost Recon fanatic myself. PC was my coop.

Between console and PC, I really don't see the difference. It may be widely believed that PC has the advantage, but they really don't. It's just a matter of efficiency on both sides.

There is no definite power on either side. You can say that console or PC have faster reaction times, but it always comes down to the player.

KaMiK · July 2006

No matter how good you are at xbox, even if you ranked #1... There would be people ranked 1000 on pc kicking your ass.

Sideus69 · July 2006

not saying i have done it but u can get keyboard and mouse for ps2 so u can for xbox as it has the right slot in the control bit cos i had a xbox but not 360 so i guess its the same would not randomly change it, and if its a mmo it is not going to be different on 360 to pc they will both link togeather

Mestovah · July 2006

We will see. ; )

Zodan · July 2006

Here is a rather confusing quote on the topic (but then again my native language is not english):

Shack: How’s the Xbox 360 version coming along?

KJ Kang: Huxley is a cross-platform game
and can be played on the PC and the Xbox 360 versions. The cross will
not be among the same contents but will be from a completely different
standpoint exceeding mere connection (simple interactivity,
interaction). The Huxley world can be experienced through different
aspects, stories and quests on the same theme that unfold in different
platforms.

The whole interview

DeserttFoxx · July 2006

Console fps players are jsut as good as pc. It depends on what they are comfortable with. I play with my cousin in rainbow six. When we use PC he cant even hit me, He has zero ability to use keyboard + mouse. But with a controller, good luck getting in his line of sight and leaving without a bullet hitting you.

Sideus69 · July 2006

how can you not be able to use a keyboard and mouse lol

melachi · July 2006

Originally posted by xPaladin
Eh, don't be so quick to bash 360 players. Some of them can use the analogs as well as a mouse. It's all about configurations and sensitivites. Also Huxley itself doesn't appear to be a very *FAST* game like Quake, Unreal Tournament, or Counter Strike. It looks to be on the pace of Battlefield, which means 360 players should do fairly well.

I understand where the animosity comes from though. There's nothing more fustrating for me personally than getting suckered into and horribly losing a game of "softcore" Halo (25 - 3) against people I regularly eat for breakfast (15 - -2) in just about any other "hardcore" FPS.

There is no way to have the same accuracy with a mouse in an FPS game. People can aim decently with joypads but nowhere as accurately and fast as a skilled mouse user. This is also a reason why Epic aren't making UT crossplatform. If you honestly believe joypad is as good as a mouse for FPS games then you're a below average player at best. Even a game with the "pace of Battlefield" the best mouse users would dominate the best joypad users.

Take my word for it, I've competed in major tournaments and have boxes full of various gaming mice. Think this was extremely evident at halo world championships where I saw it on the xbox and PC, using the mouse was just a completely different animal where you could bang in headshots with instant flicks. The best on joypads needed about twice as much time to centre on and required a lot of strafe lead.

If you believe that you can maintain the same speed and accuracy with a joypad then you've no clue.
head to the CPL/eswc/wcg and watch some of the PC fps tournaments and you'll get an idea of how greatly developed mouse aim can be.

Now, on the topic of Huxley, If it's like Planetside then the differences won't matter as much.. if it's like bf2 they will. If you don't believe me then you'll see what happens when it comes out and goes crossplatform...

Stoneyboy · July 2006

YA computer players will probably win because all they have to do is point and click on someone it doesn't take as much skill as someone using a antalog stick.

ishomishu · July 2006

I would tend to beleive that their may actually be more xbox players as well than PC. We will have to see! They could over run the PC's with Russian tactics. I for one was a PS2 player till WOW hooked me and i bought a beefy PC but i could handle those twin sticks really good in SOCOM. We will have to see can;t wait goign to be interesting.

DeserttFoxx · July 2006

Originally posted by ishomishu
I would tend to beleive that their may actually be more xbox players as well than PC. We will have to see! They could over run the PC's with Russian tactics. I for one was a PS2 player till WOW hooked me and i bought a beefy PC but i could handle those twin sticks really good in SOCOM. We will have to see can;t wait goign to be interesting.

real gamers use PC, period.

PC is the most versitile system. There really isnt a reason to have a console.

Nitrock · July 2006

Originally posted by KaMiK
No matter how good you are at xbox, even if you ranked #1... There would be people ranked 1000 on pc kicking your ass.

I wouldn't say that i know a guy that hooked his 360 controller to the pc, and was playing Counter Strike Source, and he wasn't used to playing with a controller, but after a month or so, he was kicking peoples ass with steady scores of 25-5 around.

melachi · July 2006

You can beat newbies on source public servers with a steering wheel and pedals... CSS pubs are pretty much redundant because theyre full of 10 year olds who are playing for their very first time.

Just look at players from CAL- M or some league which is full of players who are considered average in competitive standards, they'll tear a pub up with 30/0 scores. Your pad man would get slapped.

The depth of skill achievable with a mouse is just too far from a joypads reach. Theres just not anyway near enough precision of movement and speed. You can flick a mouse 90 degrees and hit pixel perfect shots with the blink of an eye consistently. It's evident just looking at the huge market of gaming mice with high dpis and endless array of gaming mousepads (all targetting FPS group of players).

I suggest you download some frag movies from fast paced games and you'll see what it's all about. If you don't know what frag movies are it's because you probably don't have an insight to what competitive players actually can achieve..

http://www.own-age.com/vids/top.aspx?orderby=dls&sort=desc

Just look through a couple of movies on there and maybe you'll understand.
Players like fatal1ty are famous by the amount of skill and precision by using mice as their device, not joypads.
He's even got his own range of mice, mousepads and hardware. http://www.fatal1ty.com and I don't even consider him to be in the top10 of the best FPS aimers in the world, but believe me, not a single one of the best 1000 FPS players worldwide use a joypad.. it is possible to plug a joypad into a pc but why do you think not a single person at tournaments is using it instead of a mouse? Simple.. It's just nowhere as good enough to compete with, and you'd be at an impossible disadvantage.

Trust me, I've been playing competitive multiplayer since Quakeworld where skilldepth became really evident with mouse usage.

I own an xbox 360 which I enjoy as casual fun but if I want fast paced competitive FPS with immense skilldepth I'll stick to the PC. Racing games etc, it's just nice to pickup a controller and not have to be in caveman pc position.

Nitrock · July 2006

Originally posted by melachi

You can beat newbies on source public servers with a steering wheel and pedals... CSS pubs are pretty much redundant because theyre full of 10 year olds who are playing for their very first time.

Just look at players from CAL- M or some league which is full of players who are considered average in competitive standards, they'll tear a pub up with 30/0 scores. Your pad man would get slapped.

I won't disagree with you on that, but also source doesn't have as much experienced players as on 1.6.

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