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Which Carebear are you?
Tamalan
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Im so very, very tired of being labeled a 'Carebear' by PvP enthusiasts, just because i prefer (but not exclusively) co-operative MMO's. I'll be blunt, it irriatates and insults the hell out of me, especially when I or people like me are accused of being 'not real gamers'. Its especially insulting when ive been gaming since Spectrum/Commodore 64 days through MUD's, EQ and beyond.
But rather than continue to be bothered about this, ive decided to embrace it.
So here I am, in all my Carebear glory! Enjoy!
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So unfortunately, pvp only games do suck and us carebears with our obsessive compulsive need for game objectives and fun will just have to keep stinking up the mmorpg market
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The entire point of them calling you "carebear" is to incite you into anger. By being insulted, you are playing right into their trap.
So congratulations on engaging in a form of PvP. In this case, it's emotional manipulation.
i was thinking about that term "carebear" just the other day while I was reading the 30+ gamer thread.
got me wondering, how many people who use the term remember the carebears
im glad pvp became popular before barny
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
It's a fact. There are many different types of playstyles that people tend to flock to.
In today's MMO market, the playstyles that alot of gamers find the most fun are one of three things:
1 - Truely PVE oriented, guilds, lots of raiding, "have the best gear" from all the raids, etc. You could call these guys "carebears" although the term is relative. Personally I don't really care for this type of play because it can get boring but there are alot of people that enjoy that feeling of being "safe" from losing anything.
2 - The casual PVPer. This gamer enjoys both the PVE and PVP aspect of a game. They enjoy a little raiding but not hours on end and they want to go out and do a little killing for a purpose whether it's to just have fun, get coin or loot, etc. This is probably 80% of the playerbase we know today I would assume.
3 - The hardcore PVP griefer. These are the players that try to level as fast as possible so they can be competetive as much as possible. They enjoy 100% pvp'ing and will kill anyone at anytime for any reason. I have respect for these guys although it's not entirely my cup of tea, I enjoy a good asskicking from time to time.
These are also the players that will bind kill you if they can and won't think twice about doing it. It's the way they want to play and you can't shun them for doing it or tell them all they want to do is make your life miserable. It's a game, it has PVP in it, you chose to be on the pvp server...might as well get used to it.
I would have to say I'm somewhere between #2 and #3 as I love PVP and I love doing PVE quests and stuff of that nature. The only time I might grief someone is when they have pissed me off on something so I would repeatedly kill them over and over until I think they've had enough and then I move on. It's kinda like getting your agression out or stress I should say.
I also don't mind guild PVE raiding as long as it's planned right and we have a good raid leader that can keep the raid party alive, etc.
Those are my thoughts.
Joe
I despise the term carebare with every inch of my soul, espeically when I know it's comming from some console nut job who figures since he played a little UO, spent time in Wow is a uber master of CS he can go around spouting it everyone and anyone who will listen.
But over time, I realized that most people who use the term and actually think their saying something intelligent are mostly self indulgent, self important, dim witted, unreflective, stagnant, childish masachist who can barely see past their own noses let along see a large picture in the gaming community.
Oddly enough, this realization made me feel quite better about the entire subject and now everytime I see one these pathetic "carebare" spouting souls in some random thread, I can't help but laugh a little and feel profoundly sorry for them.
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damn shae, thats deep
/agree 100%
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a robot foot stomping on a human face -- forever."
they are among the sad people.
I agree. Carebear is such a bs term and the people that use it on a regular basis need to wake up and smell what they are shoveling.
In my opinion, pvp is really only fun when there is actually reason to pvp besides just killing. If I wanted to just kill someone for the hell of it then I'd play CS or something.
We need pvp to mean something and I'm not just talking about pvp ranking on websites. The most fun pvp is when you can loot corpses and acquire someone elses items/coin.
The more risk, the more fun.
Only an opinion.
Joe
-W.
The funny thing about those people using that word, they seem very similar in personality to those people I knew back in my Navy days who claimed they had been involved with the KKK. They used then N word a lot, and for these hardcores carebear is their N word. Good points.
How many of the "hardcore" pvp games also include permadeath? How many of those really tough pkers on the forums are out signing up for the ultimate PVP, the war in IRAQ? That would be real life experience.
carebear = is a way for griefers to feel better about themselves, in my experience theyre unhappy kids who feel a sense of empowerment being able to victimize other players, when normally theyre the ones who got wedgies at school. Personally I think these guys should turn off their computers and go out and do some MMA fighting. Work the testosterone and fragile ego out BEFORE you log on.
I'm a Carebear and proud. (And I got wedgies at school).
I have a hard time understanding people who PvP in MMORPG's. The game system for it is very poor. I just think they haven't tried other games.
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@ Joe for a little more risk electrify your mouse so that when you die in PvP, you die. And then your killer can loot your house.
No wonder people gave you wedgies in school. You're kind of a prick.
to all you carebears....
cry more, noobs
IMO, the primary thing that makes someone a “Carebare” is wanting the ability to pick and choose who they interact with in a game.
People who complain about this are basically losers who can’t get friends to interact with and insist the devs looks after them by implementing game mechanics that allow them to force themselves on strangers who don’t care about them and want nothing to do with them due to their looser status.
This obviously doesn’t cover all people who like games with fully open PvP. If you like that type of thing great, but don’t go around whining about games not having mechanics that force strangers who want nothing to do you to play and interact with you. Honestly I can’t see real, skilled, PvPers taking such an attitude, so it’s really just the wannabes that use the term.
Good post and I agree with you on some of your points.
I am the opposite of you as far as supporting the free loot factor. While pvp is about being competitive, it's almost not enough nowadays. People want to be rewarded for killing and for obtaining a certain goal. Getting their names posted on some website doesn't do it for most. They want loot, they want money. There can be ways of obtaining this without too much frustration on the victim side of the battle. I won't go into details too much on this but EQ2 pvp servers got it about 95% right.
EQ2's pvp system has it so you get money for killing someone, the more the victim carried the more the victor would get. They also had it so you would get an item randomly selected, but from my experience it was rarely an item you had equipped. Usually it was something you had in your inventory. This system worked and still is working pretty effectively and intuitively.
While I'm not a griefer, I still go by the same motto as I always have: "If you joined a pvp server, then you have joined for a reason...if you get griefed or ganked at low level..you cannot complain. You can just get revenge when you're able to."
And I still stand by this.
Griefers or "gankers" are still pvp'ing. They are just playing the system out any way they can. If it means killing the same poor ass over and over again just because, then so be it. Instead of that victim quitting the game or complaining about it...his time would be more efficient by him leveling up himself and going and killing the same people that killed him before.
Like i have said before. As long as the hardcore pvper, ganker, or griefer is not cheating in any way shape or form and is still abiding by the rules and disclaimers the game has then I have no problems with him...even if he kills me 100 times. It's a game and we all have to remember that.
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lol, I have PnP characters older than you, go NooB yourself!
If you include Table Top & PnP D&D, 25 years if im honest...
Carebear should be reserved for those real wackos who
actually use PvP as a means to socialize. They like to die, they like
being beaten to a pulp, they like losing everything, they don't care if they
win, they're as uncompetitive as it comes, and they consider a battle a success
if they befriend their enemies and allies alike - their only goal is to make as
many forum posts about their loses / wins and draw as much attention to themselves
as possible.
If you ask me, THAT is a carebear. Especially when they
turn the hypocrite and pop on forums to berate PvE players for not playing PvP
since it's more exciting - how it can be exciting when they have no invested
interest in whether they actually succeed, live, or die, is beyond me.
Everyone get's bored of PvP, and anyone can enjoy PvE, neither is particularly
unusual or warrants any absurd insults. I think the least a troll should
do is make sure their insult is applicable if they're going to use it.
But I guess if you're an e-redneck the last thing on your mind is being logical
let alone politically correct.
The morning sun has vanquished the horrible night.
Players who go out and buy a game knowing that it has non-consentual PvP but act like they didnt know and are traumatized when someone kills them and takes their stuff. They spend the next few months demanding the developers start changing the game to fit their "protected" playstyle. There were carebears all over the forums when Shadowbane came out crying for dungeons and more PvE content for a few months but eventually left and let people play the game the developers designed it.
Light carebears - Try out a game and get pissed and cancel after dying the first time to another player.
Medium carebears - Play the game and mostly stay in town or go out in groups for protections. Occassionally add their suggestions on the messageboards on how to make the game more "friendly/carebear."
Heavy carebears - These want to like the game but don't want PvP in it at all, even though the developers have coded it into the game. They spend most of the time on the messageboards crying about balance issues and demanding developers change the game. They make the statement, "Things better change or alot of people will leave."
Neurotic carebears - Buy the game and have their own vision of how the game should be changed. Everytime they die to another player they trample the messageboards almost threatening lawsuits if the developers don't "improve" the game or fix the balance. They spend so much time on the messageboards making demands and suggestions more than they play the game. Most of their topics end up being locked and people telling them to "Learn to Play the Game." These usually spam the messageboards attempting to compare an online game to real life. Often times claiming people who PvP are greifers and actually kill people in real life.
Signs of a carebear usually include spamming on heavy PvP game messageboards before the game is even in beta. They try to get a resistance going and swear people won't be playing that game. They claim certain game features need to be changed in order for the game to be successful like heavy PvE/light PvP games.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!