Illegal, violent teen fight clubs face police crackdown

porgie · August 2006

Illegal, violent teen fight clubs face police crackdown

This is really sad. There are some things in life that I just don't understand and this is one of them. I could think of a million things I could fill my life up with other than participating in something like this. I feel really sorry for these kids who think this is something cool. It shows how desensitized and violent we're becoming that people are beginning to accept stuff like this. What kind of parents do these kids have?

Rikimaru_X · August 2006

They handed out flyers? Wouldn't the police would catch somthing like this before it ever happend?

Thrift · August 2006

I want to watch this anyone got a clip of this ?

reavo · August 2006

I don't know what kind of parents they have, but I can tell you this for sure. If my child ever participated in something like this I would feel I failed miserably in parenting. I would sincerely hope I'm a good enough parent to instill a sense of morality in my child that would scream to him that this is wrong. This is not loving thy neighbor.

Rikimaru_X · August 2006

Originally posted by reavo
I don't know what kind of parents they have, but I can tell you this for sure. If my child ever participated in something like this I would feel I failed miserably in parenting. I would sincerely hope I'm a good enough parent to instill a sense of morality in my child that would scream to him that this is wrong. This is not loving thy neighbor.

...don't you mean just lashing the belt at your kid (and not screaming but reasoning)? That is what my dad would do. Give me some pain to worry about.

Xexima · August 2006

Did anyone else notice that they HAD to put some blame on video games? "This does seem a phenomenon of the Mortal Kombat, violent video game generation." Out of that entire thing, that was the line that pissed me off.

I have, though, actually heard of these sort of things, actually I even know someone that films fights at my school. Although, I don't think there is any "fight club" sort of thing going on.

All I can say about these clubs is, boys will be boys. People have been fighting from the begining of time.

Briansho · August 2006

Amazing how they always want to cut down on the violence but noone wants to do anything about gangs...

ViolentY · August 2006

What pisses me off most is that tax dollars and valueable amounts of time were wasted in bringing the teens to "justice."

I don't see the big problem with letting a bunch of stupid kids beat themselves up and potentially get even stupider.

Hochete · August 2006

i'm all for letting kids beat eachother to death tbh, get them off the streets at least..

i think we should open more of them, and make it compulsary.

Jackcolt · August 2006

Originally posted by Xexima
Did anyone else notice that they HAD to put some blame on video games? "This does seem a phenomenon of the Mortal Kombat, violent video game generation." Out of that entire thing, that was the line that pissed me off.

I have, though, actually heard of these sort of things, actually I even know someone that films fights at my school. Although, I don't think there is any "fight club" sort of thing going on.

All I can say about these clubs is, boys will be boys. People have been fighting from the begining of time.

Yes. DAMN I hate their shit. It's been proved many times with statistics that video games have nothing to with violence and homocide. Can't find the link, but it shows that since 94 or 95 homocide and teen violence are falling drastically. And you all know what happened those years gaming wise.

This is also overblown. It's just fights recorded. Fights happen all the time. Some of them are worse than others, but we know it's going on and that it's bad. But I don't get why they just don't pick up boxing instead or something....

Necran · August 2006

Originally posted by porgie
Illegal, violent teen fight clubs face police crackdown

This is really sad. There are some things in life that I just don't understand and this is one of them. I could think of a million things I could fill my life up with other than participating in something like this. I feel really sorry for these kids who think this is something cool. It shows how desensitized and violent we're becoming that people are beginning to accept stuff like this. What kind of parents do these kids have?

Both people are willing participants, you might not agree with it but it happens with or without it being that organized, for instance fights happen most nights of the week outside the local bars here, once again by two willing participants.

Think about the UFC, the only difference here is that they arent liscenced, create an organization, pay taxes, and then you can organize events and distribute fliers all you want.

abbaba · August 2006

Originally posted by Necran

Originally posted by porgie
Illegal, violent teen fight clubs face police crackdown

This is really sad. There are some things in life that I just don't understand and this is one of them. I could think of a million things I could fill my life up with other than participating in something like this. I feel really sorry for these kids who think this is something cool. It shows how desensitized and violent we're becoming that people are beginning to accept stuff like this. What kind of parents do these kids have?

Both people are willing participants, you might not agree with it but it happens with or without it being that organized, for instance fights happen most nights of the week outside the local bars here, once again by two willing participants.

Think about the UFC, the only difference here is that they arent liscenced, create an organization, pay taxes, and then you can organize events and distribute fliers all you want.

That and they're ADULTS.

Rabidaskal · August 2006

For some reason that article made me think of this

Battle Royale

dannicus · August 2006

Originally posted by porgie
Illegal, violent teen fight clubs face police crackdown

This is really sad. There are some things in life that I just don't understand and this is one of them. I could think of a million things I could fill my life up with other than participating in something like this. I feel really sorry for these kids who think this is something cool. It shows how desensitized and violent we're becoming that people are beginning to accept stuff like this. What kind of parents do these kids have?

It shows how desensitized and violent we're becoming?

This sort of thing was happening since the beginning of documented history and even before that! Just because humans have made great advancements in technology, science etc. Doesn't mean our ancestral roots don't lurk inside or genetic makeup.

It's who we are, it's what we are. Don’t deny it but rather embrace it.

MW2K · August 2006

Originally posted by Briansho
Amazing how they always want to cut down on the violence but noone wants to do anything about gangs...

Not amazing at all. The United States has always been more concerned with the effects rather than the causes.

Xexima · August 2006

Originally posted by Necran

Originally posted by porgie
Illegal, violent teen fight clubs face police crackdown

This is really sad. There are some things in life that I just don't understand and this is one of them. I could think of a million things I could fill my life up with other than participating in something like this. I feel really sorry for these kids who think this is something cool. It shows how desensitized and violent we're becoming that people are beginning to accept stuff like this. What kind of parents do these kids have?

Both people are willing participants, you might not agree with it but it happens with or without it being that organized, for instance fights happen most nights of the week outside the local bars here, once again by two willing participants.

Think about the UFC, the only difference here is that they arent liscenced, create an organization, pay taxes, and then you can organize events and distribute fliers all you want.

Well, actually, in some cases the cameraman will pay a few guys to beat the living crap out of some random person, and that is where the fun in it stops.

Rikimaru_X · August 2006

Originally posted by Ulujain

Originally posted by Briansho
Amazing how they always want to cut down on the violence but noone wants to do anything about gangs...

Not amazing at all. The United States has always been more concerned with the effects rather than the causes.

It's either they are scared to take down the gangs or under legal term they cant?

slapme7times · August 2006

Originally posted by Ulujain

Originally posted by Briansho
Amazing how they always want to cut down on the violence but noone wants to do anything about gangs...

Not amazing at all. The United States has always been more concerned with the effects rather than the causes.

gangs and inner city slums are the product of one thing. the drug war.

legalize drugs- you end poverty and organized crime

you also bankrupt phizer...

so it looks like we'll keep the gangs so that phizer can sell us zelnorm! thanks corporate america!

britoca · August 2006

Originally posted by abbaba

Originally posted by Necran

Originally posted by porgie
Illegal, violent teen fight clubs face police crackdown

This is really sad. There are some things in life that I just don't understand and this is one of them. I could think of a million things I could fill my life up with other than participating in something like this. I feel really sorry for these kids who think this is something cool. It shows how desensitized and violent we're becoming that people are beginning to accept stuff like this. What kind of parents do these kids have?

Both people are willing participants, you might not agree with it but it happens with or without it being that organized, for instance fights happen most nights of the week outside the local bars here, once again by two willing participants.

Think about the UFC, the only difference here is that they arent liscenced, create an organization, pay taxes, and then you can organize events and distribute fliers all you want.

That and they're ADULTS.

"These illegal, violent, often bloody bouts pit boys and girls, some as young as 12, in hand-to-hand combat."

britoca · August 2006

Originally posted by Necran

Originally posted by porgie
Illegal, violent teen fight clubs face police crackdown

This is really sad. There are some things in life that I just don't understand and this is one of them. I could think of a million things I could fill my life up with other than participating in something like this. I feel really sorry for these kids who think this is something cool. It shows how desensitized and violent we're becoming that people are beginning to accept stuff like this. What kind of parents do these kids have?

Both people are willing participants

"with packs of youths stomping helpless victims who clearly don't want to fight."

"One fight turns into a mini-riot with dozens of teens rampaging through
the parking lot of a McDonald's restaurant. Another running brawl
spills into a busy city street, where the fighters slam up against
rolling cars."

SoSikWitIt · August 2006

Yeah, I personally don't see what the big deal is. If they are willing participants then I say let them fight. Of course I have no problem with police officers doing their jobs and stopping it either.

Only problem I really have are the people taking the "moral high ground" with their snobbish elitism.

Praetoriani · August 2006

Originally posted by Xexima
All I can say about these clubs is, boys will be boys. People have been fighting from the begining of time.

"These illegal, violent, often bloody bouts pit boys and girls, some as young as 12, in hand-to-hand combat."

My opinion on this will probably be the unpopular opinion. I'll give you some background information about myself. I participate in semi contact fightsports pretty intensely. In fact, I spend more time practicing my Taekwon-do and Karate (and soon Muay Thai) than I spend playing MMORPGs. I don't like to brag, but I'm a pretty intelligent person. In high school, I was often and sincerely called a 'genius' by some of my teachers. Again, I'm not saying this to brag, but I just want you to realise I'm not the stereotypical brianless jock. With my physique of 172cm (5'7") I couldn't even intimidate a three year old if I tried - not that I'd want to, anyway. My parents have and are still excellent and loving parents - I naturally don't have a police record, and in fact I've never been sent out of class.

You're probably wondering where I'm going with this. Well, I'm not against this and don't think of it as an issue. In modern society, we have very little outlet for any violence bottled up inside. Human beings, and especially late-teenage and early-adult men have especially aggressive emotions. We can't change it - and it certainly doesn't make us the 'dumb cavemen' image we are often stereotyped with. These are simply traces of our primal nature that gave us an advantage in protecting our families thousands of years ago. The reason many of you are against it because you have, since birth, been influenced by certain social norms of this day and age. You have been consciously and subconsciously indoctrinated by everybody and everything around you.

I feel that if a fight is started by two consenting adults with clear rules (such as, but not at all limited to, stopping when the other gives up, is unconscious or otherwise unable to give up), it shouldn't be made illegal. I'd love to try my hand at it sometime as long as clear rules are made that I can agree with, and I wouldn't want anybody to judge me negatively because of that. Because in the end, it's nothing more than full contact sparring some Martial Art schools already employ.

If you feel this is wrong, I can fully understand you! However, you shouldn't dictate others on how to live. We're all individuals, and nobody is forcing you to fight.

I'm sorry for the long read. Thanks for reading this - I hope I made my stance clear without offending anyone.

britoca · August 2006

you all realize it's illegal to fight in public like this yeah? Mostly due to collateral damage to surrounding property and unaware bystanders/non-willing participants. That's why there's combat venues for this kind of stuff.

Read the article again. This is about underage persons, not consenting adults as some of you insist on distorting it as. It also involves rioting in some situations it seems, leading to assault of "non-willing participants".
That lands you in jail, in america and in any other worthy modern nation.

Let's not be dumb enough to defend this sort of behavior people. You can think better than that.

britoca · August 2006

Originally posted by Praetoriani

Originally posted by Xexima
All I can say about these clubs is, boys will be boys. People have been fighting from the begining of time.

"These illegal, violent, often bloody bouts pit boys and girls, some as young as 12, in hand-to-hand combat."

My opinion on this will probably be the unpopular opinion. I'll give you some background information about myself. I participate in semi contact fightsports pretty intensely. In fact, I spend more time practicing my Taekwon-do and Karate (and soon Muay Thai) than I spend playing MMORPGs. I don't like to brag, but I'm a pretty intelligent person. In high school, I was often and sincerely called a 'genius' by some of my teachers. Again, I'm not saying this to brag, but I just want you to realise I'm not the stereotypical brianless jock. With my physique of 172cm (5'7") I couldn't even intimidate a three year old if I tried - not that I'd want to, anyway. My parents have and are still excellent and loving parents - I naturally don't have a police record, and in fact I've never been sent out of class.

You're probably wondering where I'm going with this. Well, I'm not against this and don't think of it as an issue. In modern society, we have very little outlet for any violence bottled up inside. Human beings, and especially late-teenage and early-adult men have especially aggressive emotions. We can't change it - and it certainly doesn't make us the 'dumb cavemen' image we are often stereotyped with. These are simply traces of our primal nature that gave us an advantage in protecting our families thousands of years ago. The reason many of you are against it because you have, since birth, been influenced by certain social norms of this day and age. You have been consciously and subconsciously indoctrinated by everybody and everything around you.

I feel that if a fight is started by two consenting adults with clear rules (such as, but not at all limited to, stopping when the other gives up, is unconscious or otherwise unable to give up), it shouldn't be made illegal. I'd love to try my hand at it sometime as long as clear rules are made that I can agree with, and I wouldn't want anybody to judge me negatively because of that. Because in the end, it's nothing more than full contact sparring some Martial Art schools already employ.

If you feel this is wrong, I can fully understand you! However, you shouldn't dictate others on how to live. We're all individuals, and nobody is forcing you to fight.

I'm sorry for the long read. Thanks for reading this - I hope I made my stance clear without offending anyone.

If you are both consenting and willing adults, and if you are in a pre-designated combat area (a fight parlor, etc), by all means beat youself to death.

I'll be happy, they'll be happy.

What you can't do is go around town startign brawls out in the street, that's just extremely crude and primitive human behavior. Now you can see that as being completely acceptable since "it's natural and humanity has done it for centuries" but If you're gonna play that card, then might as well go on a rape-fest or looting spree since it falls under the same category.

Praetoriani · August 2006

I agree with you that the type of fighting displayed in the article is very crude and should not be promoted by all means. I like the idea of fight clubs - but I don't want it to result in death, innocent victims or the violating of neighboorhood peace as much as you don't.

However, I disagree with you that 'going on a looting spree' and 'raping' are comparable to quenching our inate lust for violence that many have problems expressing. Looting and raping have never been part of the individual human psyche, and were never tolerated in any successful society. It has happened, of course. Either en masse by invading armies or tribes to destroy whatever was left of the enemies' morale, basically as a military tactic and - even less accepted and loathed - by a very small minority of deranged individuals who were often quickly prosecuted.

Fightsports however, have always been part of human beings and were and are often celebrated in most cultures. It is the reason the Etruscans and later the Romans loved going to the Arena to watch a good game of gladiatorial combat as much as it is the reason people enjoy seeing boxing matches and violent movies and games nowadays. Some people, however, just want to take it a step further.

Violent TV and video games isn't the reason people become violent themselves; because people are innately violent themselves they want to see violent TV and play violent video games. It's just that simple. Even the Ned Flanderses of the world can't deny ever having felt a surge of aggression they needed to quench.

WantsumBier · August 2006

gangs and inner city slums are the product of one thing. the drug war.
Gangs and gang-like activities have been around a lot longer than the war on drugs.
legalize drugs- you end poverty and organized crime
Ya, just like organized crime stopped with the repeal of prohibition.
you also bankrupt phizer...
There will always be a market for their products.
so it looks like we'll keep the gangs so that phizer can sell us zelnorm! thanks corporate america!

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