Alt. world cup final, Guild Wars vs WoW

nomadian · August 2006

The final if anyone is interested, below is the process by which they all qualified to get there, and the underlined are the winners of each part. The final, to perhaps no surprise is Guild Wars vs World of Warcraft. True mmorpg rules, and WoW is already the winner, the flexible ones and its an even contest.

Winners of qualifying

A Korean ones: Ragnarak Online, Lineage1, Lineage2, Rose Online, RF Online
B Old school: Ultma Online,Everquest, Asheron's call
C Instanced: DDO, Guild Wars, CoH
D World PvP:Shadowbane, Eve Online, DAoC
E Second Gen PvE: EQ2, WoW, Ryzom, FFXI
F 2D: Tibia, Dofus, Maplestory, Gunbound, Goozu Online
G IP: SWG, Matrix Online, City of Heroes
H Mmofps: Planetside, Warrock,Gunzonline, Neocron, WWII Online
I Beta: Dragon Raja, Ferentus, Legend of Ares, Cabal Online, Last chaos,Hero Online,Deicide
J Free: Anarchy Online ,Shadowbane, Silkroad, Runescape, Spacecowboy, A Tale in the desert, Ashen Empires
K Dead and Buried: Earth and Beyond: Asheron's Call2 Motorcity Online
L Other: AutoAssault, Horizons, Dark& Light, Secondlife, There, Puzzle pirates, Face of Mankind

Group 1:
Everquest
World of Warcraft
City of Heroes.

Group 2:
Anarchy Online
Asheron's Call 2
Cabal Online

Group 3:
Planetside
AutoAssault
DAoC

Group 4:
Lineage 2
Guild Wars
Maplestory

Semi-one

World of Warcraft vs Anarchy Online

Semi- two

DAoC vs Guild Wars.

Final

Guild Wars vs World of Warcraft.

xpowderx · August 2006

LOL Guildwars already won the Final championship vs WOW. Dont need to do this again, In fact its a new month, should be starting over..

Jhughesy · August 2006

Whats this based on?

Jackcolt · August 2006

2 things. Hero Online isn't in beta. Hero Online entered final version 2 days ago. And what are you basing the winners on?

Jhughesy · August 2006

Originally posted by Jackcolt
2 things. Hero Online isn't in beta. Hero Online entered final version 2 days ago. And what are you basing the winners on?

Obviously not much if WoW comes out top.

nomadian · August 2006

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2 things. Hero Online isn't in beta. Hero Online entered final version 2 days ago. And what are you basing the winners on?[/quote]
I done this over the last few weeks, yes there was another world cup but I decided to do this a bit differently out of interest. The fact Hero Online entered final version is irrelevant if it was 2 days ago as it was voted along with the rest as Beta's. I am basing the winners on each of the qualification stage, they first had to qualify out of the category I put them in, which you may or may not agree with I just thought it was apt. Then they were put in a group stage, again I didn't want to do them randomly, and competed them against very similar categories. The final result is a WoW vs Guild Wars, which just proves they're the people's favourite games of the moment.

Theodoryk · August 2006

Go go Guild Wars! Lets make this two in a row baby! This is kind of like when the Ultimate Warrior beat Hulk Hogan and was both World Champion and Intercontinental Champion. Who remembers that epic ppv bowt, hmm?

Gameloading · August 2006

Its sad a Non-mmorpg game makes it to the finals in an mmorpg world cup.

slapme7times · August 2006

gw is free, and wow is sub based.

wow has 100x the players gw has and makes 10000x the money.

sure... gw's the winner alright.... haha

Theodoryk · August 2006

Originally posted by Gameloading
Its sad a Non-mmorpg game makes it to the finals in an mmorpg world cup.

Its sad that you feel the need to keep beating the same old dead horse.

b0rderline99 · August 2006

woot go WoW

Gameloading · August 2006

Originally posted by Theodoryk

Originally posted by Gameloading
Its sad a Non-mmorpg game makes it to the finals in an mmorpg world cup.

Its sad that you feel the need to keep beating the same old dead horse.

as the game is still listed as mmorpg and nominated for best mmorpg, it sure isn't a dead horse yet. then again, I am not sure if I am talking to an unbiased person here.

Theodoryk · August 2006

Well, I've been playing Guild Wars for about 3 weeks now, and I wouldn't consider myself to be a fanboi in any way, Guild Wars was something of a last resort for me since I grew sick and tired of all the other games currently available. I must admit that I am enjoying the game very much right now, though like any mmorpg veteran I'll admit that there is a long list of features I would love to see in this game. And yes the main one that comes to mind is world pvp, I really miss going on excursions into enemy territory with a few good friends. That being said, I find the argument that Guild Wars has no place amongst other MMORPGs for the simple fact that it has instanced pve zones to be rather silly, and spiteful. By that logic, DDO and CoH/CoV aren't MMORPGs either, and most of the other MMORPGs out there only partially fit into the category. But people keep regurgitating this same tired old argument, like a broken record, happy they have this ridiculous statement to invalidate the success of a game model which does not appeal to them. Its massively multiplayer, its online, its an RPG. The only thing that makes it "uncoventional" is the fact that pve zones are instanced, putting an end to kill stealing, corpse camping, and griefing in one stroke.

SoSikWitIt · August 2006

Can we get Eve players to tally the results this time?
They're mathematical genius will make sure there are no mistakes this time.

Gameloading · August 2006

The thing is, there is nothing massive about it. the play zones are hosted by the person with the best connection, not by arenanet. its simply not an mmorpg because you can't play with a massive amount of people at the same time on the same serve in the same world.

Theodoryk · August 2006

Originally posted by Gameloading

The thing is, there is nothing massive about it. the play zones are hosted by the person with the best connection, not by arenanet. its simply not an mmorpg because you can't play with a massive amount of people at the same time on the same serve in the same world.

I understand and respect your perspective on this matter, but still I disagree. However, all we're doing is arguing the same old points regarding this issue again, points which have been explored and countered ad nausium in many other threads. The reason Guild Wars is on this site is exactly because a significant portion of the community disagrees with your point of view. What gets to me is that people still feel compeled to shout "Guld Wars is not an MMORPG!" at every opportunity. Fine, in your opinion, Guild Wars is not an MMORPG. In mine it is. Neither of us will convince the other that he is wrong, so perhaps it would be best to drop the issue entirely, rather than rehashing the same old argument over and over and over again.

ghost047 · August 2006

Originally posted by Theodoryk
But people keep regurgitating this same tired old argument, like a broken record, happy they have this ridiculous statement to invalidate the success of a game model which does not appeal to them. Its massively multiplayer, its online, its an RPG. The only thing that makes it "uncoventional" is the fact that pve zones are instanced, putting an end to kill stealing, corpse camping, and griefing in one stroke.

Damn you again, still trying to convince yourself and others that GW is an MMORPG.
I remember one day you told me to turn off my computer and go outside for awhile because I take this too seriously, but in fact you are the one that takes it way too seriously. You are the one that sounds like a broken record saying GW is an MMORPG.

The producer of the game said, it is not a MMORPG it's CORPG. So who you think you are to keep telling everyone they are wrong and it is in fact a MMORPG.

We are not attacking the game because we don't like it or because it's succesful, we are defending the point that GW is not an MMORPG. You only make a fool of yourself arguing against the fact that even the producer of the game does not claim their game as an MMORPG, but you do!!!!!!!

You know what, we all have our opinion, mine is to say GW is not an MMORPG, like the producer said, but you are probably right and the producer of the game is wrong......Oh wait, I have Jeff Strain on the phone and I told him your storyand, yes he is telling me that tomorrow he will make an annoncement to the media to say that he was wrong and GW is now an MMORPG and not CORPG.

Later I will call Campagna to tell them that their T-Rex is not a motorcycle but a car because it as 3 wheels and respond like a car when you drive it.

Thanatosx33 · August 2006

All do respect, but anyone who compares GW to WoW obviously isn't too bright.

My reasons.

A. GW is free, a free game versus one with monthly fees should never be compared to one another. It should be compared to other free games that you have to buy the disc for.

B. GW is totally instance based...It should not be compared to a non-instance based game.

C. Only 20 levels, and you can start at 20 anytime you want to, so the character "building" aspect can be totally blown out of the water.

D. GW is all about pvp, raiding aspects are considerably smaller, Whereas WoW has very much raiding.

E. GW is not an MMORPG.

nomadian · August 2006

I openly put non mmorpgs from the start so I'm not too bothered about the criticism that its in there, as I decided to do that. However, I would like to express a certain amount of amusement regarding a certain amount of oversight towards WoW. WoW the game where you are sectioning yourself off with a RESTRICTED number of people in both instances and battlegrounds. So to what extent do you class WoW as a proper mmorpg? I mean lets go even further and take Everquest and Everquest 2. Both are seperated into zones, shall we take the fact that there isn't an unlimited number of people in those zones? That there is only so many people so therefore should not qualify under the statement 'mmorpg'.

To be honest, I think people are perhaps being overly pedantic about the term 'mmorpg' and really I think the measure which this site uses and many games which class themselves as 'mmo' use is that they just have persistance. To which probably, persistant online gaming would perhaps be a more apt term but still. (By the way I think this board is much the better for including Guild Wars and DDO)

Salvatoris · August 2006

GW is the only game you mentioned where there is a maximum of 8 players in any combat zone at any time. I prefer Guild Wars to WoW.... but I don't consider Guild Wars to be an MMO. it is a good game though... and pretty fun for about a month. I had really high hopes for it's future, until factions was released with nothing really new. If nightfall follows in the footsteps of factions, night time maps may be all it adds. It is really a shame that in the name of PvP balance, they can't ever add anything new to the game. The expansions don't offer anything new for existing characters, so it really is just a repeat of the original games with different textures and animations.

paranoidpvp · August 2006

Bump for more votes, GW is a CORPG and it has won one final so far gotten into the finals of the second. It can't be all that bad even if it isn't a MMO.

Theodoryk · August 2006

Damn you again, still trying to convince yourself and others that GW is an MMORPG.

Damn, you again, still flaming anyone who disagrees with your opinion and puking up the same tired old phrases in an ineffective attempt to sound intelligent.

I remember one day you told me to turn off my computer and go outside for awhile because I take this too seriously, but in fact you are the one that takes it way too seriously. You are the one that sounds like a broken record saying GW is an MMORPG.

And you're the one going out of his way to flame anyone who disagrees with your opinion. Still overly hostile and intense about the same old nonissue, I see. Get medicated.

The producer of the game said, it is not a MMORPG it's CORPG. So who you think you are to keep telling everyone they are wrong and it is in fact a MMORPG.

I already addressed this at length the first time you decided to flame me for my opinions. Shouting "omfg Guild Wars is a CORPG!" again is really quite boring of you. Get some fresh material, rather than copying and pasting the same shit you write in every thread where this game is brought up.

We are not attacking the game because we don't like it or because it's succesful, we are defending the point that GW is not an MMORPG.

At every opportunity you get, vehemently and aggressively, because God knows this is an issue worth getting bent out of shape over. Its funny to me how very passionate you are about this, its actually quite entertaining to watch you flip out and make an ass of yourself everytime Guild Wars is brought up. Dance monkey, dance!

You only make a fool of yourself arguing against the fact that even the producer of the game does not claim their game as an MMORPG, but you do!!!!!!!You know what, we all have our opinion, mine is to say GW is not an MMORPG, like the producer said, but you are probably right and the producer of the game is wrong......Oh wait, I have Jeff Strain on the phone and I told him your storyand, yes he is telling me that tomorrow he will make an annoncement to the media to say that he was wrong and GW is now an MMORPG and not CORPG.Later I will call Campagna to tell them that their T-Rex is not a motorcycle but a car because it as 3 wheels and respond like a car when you drive it.

You only make a fool of yourself arguing against the fact that Guild Wars is MMORPG. Apparently, you can't fit it inside your little head that a CORPG could possibly be a kind of MMORPG, no "OMFG ITs NOT A MMORPG teh PRDICuder sed so NUUB!". You're one of those people that froths at the mouth when you see a Shaggy record in the "Pop" section, aren't you? I have Casper on the phone, he wants his bedsheet back.

In conclusion, keep dancing monkey, its funny as hell.

logangregor · August 2006

Originally posted by Theodoryk

Originally posted by GameloadingIts sad a Non-mmorpg game makes it to the finals in an mmorpg world cup.
Its sad that you feel the need to keep beating the same old dead horse.

I dont need to beat on that dead horse...I can beat on one that still alive "GUILDWARS IS TERRIBLE".
I paid 50 dollars for Guildwars....ie-Not free.

logangregor · August 2006

Originally posted by Thanatosx33
All do respect, but anyone who compares GW to WoW obviously isn't too bright.
My reasons.

A. GW is free, a free game versus one with monthly fees should never be compared to one another. It should be compared to other free games that you have to buy the disc for.

What do you consider to be free? I paid 50 dollars for GuildWars and its still a huge waste of money.

B. GW is totally instance based...It should not be compared to a non-instance based game.

Many online games have instanced areas. The general idea of GW is the same as any other online game. You fight monsters that give you xp...so you can lvl...gain more skills etc etc- Its all the same.

C. Only 20 levels, and you can start at 20 anytime you want to, so the character "building" aspect can be totally blown out of the water.

20 lvls right off the bat-- VERY MISLEADING. For starters its a lvl 20 GIMP charachter with not HALF the skills you need to pvp. And the idea that 20 lvls of GW is quicker than wow's 60 is absurd

D. GW is all about pvp, raiding aspects are considerably smaller, Whereas WoW has very much raiding.

Guildwars is the lamest pvp Ive ever played. 8 skills....bleh. Picking what skills I want for my charachter so I can make a overpowered SPEC group with my guild?--BLEH. I agree raiding aspects of GW are tiny compared to wow. Not that I care...I play wow for one thing -PvP- and its a absolute blast compared to the yawn fest of GW

E. GW is not an MMORPG.

Really? Your so sure of yourself. MMORPG= Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game.

Thanatosx33 · August 2006

Originally posted by nomadian
I openly put non mmorpgs from the start so I'm not too bothered about the criticism that its in there, as I decided to do that. However, I would like to express a certain amount of amusement regarding a certain amount of oversight towards WoW.

WoW the game where you are sectioning yourself off with a RESTRICTED number of people in both instances and battlegrounds. Yes, its called a balance issue with the battle grounds, that and the fact that an area can only FIT so many people... And instances, perhaps that is so someone cant go in an instance and overwhelm everything so they can get rare items and sell them then do it all over again. It's to prevent it from being as much of a zerg fest, which is what MMORPG boss fights are.

So to what extent do you class WoW as a proper mmorpg? Every extent.

I mean lets go even further and take Everquest and Everquest 2. Both are seperated into zones, shall we take the fact that there isn't an unlimited number of people in those zones? Actually... there can be pretty much any number of people in a given zone...I mean, I suppose it can overload sometimes...but pretty much every zone is built to withstand a very large amount of people. So, actually the number of people in these zones are determined by...who walks into the zone...Have you even played EQ?

That there is only so many people so therefore should not qualify under the statement 'mmorpg'. What? lol

To be honest, I think people are perhaps being overly pedantic about the term 'mmorpg' Not when people are comparing GW to WoW, no I think not.

and really I think the measure which this site uses and many games which class themselves as 'mmo' use is that they just have persistance. EQOA is persistant, and it an mmorpg in all respects...but it's not on here...probably just because its for a console. Just because an online game is persistant doesn't mean its an MMO.

To which probably, persistant online gaming would perhaps be a more apt term but still. (By the way I think this board is much the better for including Guild Wars and DDO) DDO isnt an MMORPG either.

Thanatosx33 · August 2006

Originally posted by logangregor

Originally posted by Thanatosx33
All do respect, but anyone who compares GW to WoW obviously isn't too bright.
My reasons.

A. GW is free, a free game versus one with monthly fees should never be compared to one another. It should be compared to other free games that you have to buy the disc for.

What do you consider to be free? I paid 50 dollars for GuildWars and its still a huge waste of money. What part about what I posted didn't answer the question you just asked? Are you blind? Or did you neglect to read anything past the word "free game". By including what I highlighted I think it's more than obvious what I consider Free.

B. GW is totally instance based...It should not be compared to a non-instance based game.
Many online games have instanced areas. At what point did I say they didn't? But, whatever point you may have had...I will rebuddle with this. most mmorpgs, are not; however....TOTALLY ISNTANCE BASED, which is the point that I was trying to make if you can grasp it.
The general idea of GW is the same as any other online game. You fight monsters that give you xp...so you can lvl...gain more skills etc etc- Its all the same. Yes.

C. Only 20 levels, and you can start at 20 anytime you want to, so the character "building" aspect can be totally blown out of the water.
20 lvls right off the bat-- VERY MISLEADING. For starters its a lvl 20 GIMP charachter with not HALF the skills you need to pvp.
And the idea that 20 lvls of GW is quicker than wow's 60 is absurd Actually, I think it does take longer to get to 60 in WoW then it takes to get to 20 in GW. If not, then I think that is a big waste in time and a result of lazy Devs.
D. GW is all about pvp, raiding aspects are considerably smaller, Whereas WoW has very much raiding.
Guildwars is the lamest pvp Ive ever played. 8 skills....bleh. Picking what skills I want for my charachter so I can make a overpowered SPEC group with my guild?--BLEH. I agree raiding aspects of GW are tiny compared to wow. Not that I care...I play wow for one thing -PvP- and its a absolute blast compared to the yawn fest of GW Agreed, I hate GW. That doesn't change the fact that it is the overall premise of the game, just because it sucks.

E. GW is not an MMORPG.
Really? Your so sure of yourself. MMORPG= Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. Just going by your abbrievitation, yeah...it is. Going by the typical idea of an MMORPG, however...It is not. And if it is truely and MMO, then I think its a rather pitiful excuse for one.

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