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Letalus
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Though many of you won't come back because you will never let go of Pre-CU, the game is getting better slowly as they implement the Expertise System. Lately more Vets have slowly started to return. I myself have returned from a 6.5 month long absence. I'm planning on staying as long as they don't mess up any of the expertise.
Btw for you flamers, don't bitch to me about me not knowing about Pre-CU, I've played since Dec. '03. Seriously, Pre-CU was too unbalanced but they didn't have to scrap the whole game and make a new one. So if you guys ever get tired of all the boring Fantasy MMO's out there with hardly any true PvP, try out Galaxies again. (They re-implemented auto-aim too, for those of you who aren't Trolls still paying on accounts.)
Excuse my topic swinging, very late here. Sorry.
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"Your weather today: Extreme thunderstorms with a high risk of bush fires"
By definition "its true sometimes" will always be true about anything (it rains sometimes) dont mean every day <-- not an excuse for stereo typical behaver.
Back on topic - this game would be getting better if they left the NGE on test servers until (combat,grouping,stats,expertise,crafting,AI) are all implemented, instead of wasting players money testing the certain parts of it instead.
In your opinion the game is getting better = your having fun, im glad you are because while your having fun in SWG im have fun in DOW - only difrence between us is i refuse to stay quite about what they did & your happy to pay.
When I started at the very beginning of SWG, like almost all other, it was not perfect. Every patch it was "Getting Better". I left just before the NGE because I did not like the combat revamp. Later I tried the NGE to see what it was and like everyone knows, everything was gone, so am I.
So now, when I see a post saying "Getting Better". been there done that, I did my share of helping that game getting better. So why should I go back, to wait another year til it gets there.
The best part I enjoy the most in SWG was the fact that there was no lvl and you were free of doing anything, anytime. But it is gone. For me, you can put, reput as much as you can but it will never as free as it was. This is the reason why I do not want to go back.
Again I do not want to flame this thread, but express what most vets feel like about SWG. As someone else said b4, I will wait for Star Gate or Star Trek, I moved on from SWG.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
By definition "its true sometimes" will always be true about anything (it rains sometimes) dont mean every day <-- not an excuse for stereo typical behaver.
Back on topic - this game would be getting better if they left the NGE on test servers until (combat,grouping,stats,expertise,crafting,AI) are all implemented, instead of wasting players money testing the certain parts of it instead.
In your opinion the game is getting better = your having fun, im glad you are because while your having fun in SWG im have fun in DOW - only difrence between us is i refuse to stay quite about what they did & your happy to pay.
Yes, I let go of Pre-CU sorry. I posted about it too, but it's gone and I can't find any other game like SWG so I came back. You shouldn't feel bad if you are not a Basement Troll, as I never said all 30 year-olds that play games are Basement Trollls.
When I started at the very beginning of SWG, like almost all other, it was not perfect. Every patch it was "Getting Better". I left just before the NGE because I did not like the combat revamp. Later I tried the NGE to see what it was and like everyone knows, everything was gone, so am I.
So now, when I see a post saying "Getting Better". been there done that, I did my share of helping that game getting better. So why should I go back, to wait another year til it gets there.
The best part I enjoy the most in SWG was the fact that there was no lvl and you were free of doing anything, anytime. But it is gone. For me, you can put, reput as much as you can but it will never as free as it was. This is the reason why I do not want to go back.
Again I do not want to flame this thread, but express what most vets feel like about SWG. As someone else said b4, I will wait for Star Gate or Star Trek, I moved on from SWG.
I came back mostly for the communtiy and PvP, luckily most of that was still there (on Bria) though alot is gone. I can understand where you are coming from, but I'm just saying that if you still have people you know on your old server, you can still have a good time. I played one day of the NGE when it came out, it is alot better now in my opinion. It will never be the same as the days of Doc Buffing in Cnet and Solo Grinding on Dant but it's better than it was when NGE came out.
I agree that the game is getting better, as long as you are using the "Day 1 of the NGE" as the starting point. I've tried coming back 3 times now and simply cannot stand the combat system or the new UI. It is just boring and simply not as good as the Pre-CU or CU. The NGE system is way to simplifed from what use to be and the Expertise system, while better, is FAR short of the Pre-CU system. From a UI perspective, the Pre-CU was always bugged, but at least you could customize it.
What I don't understand is why the NGE had to remove so much functionality. Radar is a perfect example, the NGE has been out for 9 months now and they still do not allow you to resize your freaking radar. It is just sloppy.
That is the problem in my eye, why go and create an brand new aspect of the game the new system is not as good as the old. Take the "expertise" system for example, why create a brand new system when you had a good system already with the CU profressions? Now, they will spend the next 6 months trying to balance this new system. The problem with SWG is that it is just a never ending cycle of poor decisions and sloppy programming. We went from 32 profession to 9 because they said it was impossibe for them to balance them, are they going to go from 9 to 2 because they still have not figured out how to balance the remaining professions?
Even with this new "auto-aiming" thing they are adding in (another "partial" roll back), you are still left with a fraction of what you had for combat before the NGE. Prior to the NGE, you had Kncokdowns, Roots, Snares, Powershots, Mezzes, Recoveries, and Stat Shots with the CU. With the Pre-CU you had Posture Changes, Knockdowns, Stats, DoT's, PowerShots, Mind shots. Now, you have a powershot and a snare (unless you are a Jedi of course) and that is suppose to be better?
I guess the bottom line for me is this, even though the Pre-CU was messed up and unbalanced, I at least had the feeling that if they just fixed the bugs, the game would be awesome. With the NGE, even if they fix the bugs and balance the remaining professions, it is simply not fun to play.
Right now it boils down to the combat system and lack of professions. Until I get something that is more engaging then just click and kite I'm not interested in anything they do.
But, having said that, I'm glad you enjoy it and hope it continues to work out for you.
Concept for SWG 2
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/90081
I agree that the game is getting better, as long as you are using the "Day 1 of the NGE" as the starting point. I've tried coming back 3 times now and simply cannot stand the combat system or the new UI. It is just boring and simply not as good as the Pre-CU or CU. The NGE system is way to simplifed from what use to be and the Expertise system, while better, is FAR short of the Pre-CU system. From a UI perspective, the Pre-CU was always bugged, but at least you could customize it.
What I don't understand is why the NGE had to remove so much functionality. Radar is a perfect example, the NGE has been out for 9 months now and they still do not allow you to resize your freaking radar. It is just sloppy.
That is the problem in my eye, why go and create an brand new aspect of the game the new system is not as good as the old. Take the "expertise" system for example, why create a brand new system when you had a good system already with the CU profressions? Now, they will spend the next 6 months trying to balance this new system. The problem with SWG is that it is just a never ending cycle of poor decisions and sloppy programming. We went from 32 profession to 9 because they said it was impossibe for them to balance them, are they going to go from 9 to 2 because they still have not figured out how to balance the remaining professions?
Even with this new "auto-aiming" thing they are adding in (another "partial" roll back), you are still left with a fraction of what you had for combat before the NGE. Prior to the NGE, you had Kncokdowns, Roots, Snares, Powershots, Mezzes, Recoveries, and Stat Shots with the CU. With the Pre-CU you had Posture Changes, Knockdowns, Stats, DoT's, PowerShots, Mind shots. Now, you have a powershot and a snare (unless you are a Jedi of course) and that is suppose to be better?
I guess the bottom line for me is this, even though the Pre-CU was messed up and unbalanced, I at least had the feeling that if they just fixed the bugs, the game would be awesome. With the NGE, even if they fix the bugs and balance the remaining professions, it is simply not fun to play.
Right now it boils down to the combat system and lack of professions. Until I get something that is more engaging then just click and kite I'm not interested in anything they do.
But, having said that, I'm glad you enjoy it and hope it continues to work out for you.
Well like I said in an earlier post, it will never be like Pre-CU, but it is getting better from when I left. Again, I came back mostly for PvP and the community, though if you were not on Bria (or other higher populated servers) you probably don't have much of a population to come back to, seeing as how so many quit.
I hear you. The few people I know that are still playing say the same thing. It is all about the PvP.
But to me, that is the problem. If I want all PvP all the time, I'll play an FPS game (BF2) that actually works and is free to play. Why would I want to pay $15 a month to play an unbalanced and bugged game that has poor collision detection and sloppy UI when I can get a superior game that works as intended for free?
That is the problem with making an MMO an "FPS Wanna-be" and SoE knows it now, which is why they are reverting back to auto-aiming and reverting back to "expertise".
The problem is, ego. Rather then just revert back, they are trying to keep the NGE and tweek it and I simply don't think they can make the NGE appealing. I realize some people love it and that is great. But, IMO, when you look at SWG and compare the potential of the NGE to the potential of the Pre-CU, the Pre-CU is far superior.
The bottom line is, the NGE was an attempt to be a WoW replica. Get mission, get treasure, rinse and repeat. After about 5 missions it gets pretty boring. In addition to that, why would you play a WoW wanna-be that is broken, unbalanced, and bugged when you can just go play WoW (that actually works)
The greatness of SWG (pre-cu) was that it was a WoW alternative, rather then a WoW Substitute. The problem was, SoE was sloppy and never got the game to a condidtion that could substain and grow a player base. Rather then focus on making the game work, they focused on adding new gimmicks. Gimmicks that were just as poorly developed then the original and people are simply not going to continue to pay for a game that is in that condition.
Those are my thoughts.
Concept for SWG 2
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/90081
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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I hear you. The few people I know that are still playing say the same thing. It is all about the PvP.
But to me, that is the problem. If I want all PvP all the time, I'll play an FPS game (BF2) that actually works and is free to play. Why would I want to pay $15 a month to play an unbalanced and bugged game that has poor collision detection and sloppy UI when I can get a superior game that works as intended for free?
That is the problem with making an MMO an "FPS Wanna-be" and SoE knows it now, which is why they are reverting back to auto-aiming and reverting back to "expertise".
The problem is, ego. Rather then just revert back, they are trying to keep the NGE and tweek it and I simply don't think they can make the NGE appealing. I realize some people love it and that is great. But, IMO, when you look at SWG and compare the potential of the NGE to the potential of the Pre-CU, the Pre-CU is far superior.
The bottom line is, the NGE was an attempt to be a WoW replica. Get mission, get treasure, rinse and repeat. After about 5 missions it gets pretty boring. In addition to that, why would you play a WoW wanna-be that is broken, unbalanced, and bugged when you can just go play WoW (that actually works)
The greatness of SWG (pre-cu) was that it was a WoW alternative, rather then a WoW Substitute. The problem was, SoE was sloppy and never got the game to a condidtion that could substain and grow a player base. Rather then focus on making the game work, they focused on adding new gimmicks. Gimmicks that were just as poorly developed then the original and people are simply not going to continue to pay for a game that is in that condition.
Those are my thoughts.
Lol never said I loved it, but it is getting better so I'm gonna try to ride it out and see if it gets better for the sake of the game and what it has been. I can't find anything like SWG (past or present SWG, and yes I'm sure the present looks tasty for flames but thats my opinion) and I'm bored of all the Fantasy games that are ALL the same. The Sci-fi games are pretty much all the same too, ALL space and no ground (atleast until ST and SG come out in about 2 years pfft).
I right there with you, execpt I'm not going to continue to pay SoE to develop this game. I loved SWG, it was different then everything out there. Now it is not. Pretty much everything that SWG offered that was unique, has been removed.
I too tried other games. Eve was to boring! CoH was a good game, but was to much "mission, reward, level, repeat" and that is just not engaging for me. DDO was VERY well done, but simply lacked enough content to keep you busy beyond the first month. Guild Wars was actually pretty awsome (and free) and had 100 times better quality then SWG will ever get, but the problem was that it lacked the free envirment that I loved about SWG.
So, the problem is, that is how SWG is now. All I have ever really wanted was a fixed Pre-CU and I am simply tired of rewarding a company for taking short cuts and sloppy coding. I spent 2.5 years paying to play a game that was "getting better" just to have everything I work for ripped away and tossed out the window.
Unlike Charlie Brown, I won't keep trying to kick the football anymore.
Concept for SWG 2
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/90081
I right there with you, execpt I'm not going to continue to pay SoE to develop this game. I loved SWG, it was different then everything out there. Now it is not. Pretty much everything that SWG offered that was unique, has been removed.
I too tried other games. Eve was to boring! CoH was a good game, but was to much "mission, reward, level, repeat" and that is just not engaging for me. DDO was VERY well done, but simply lacked enough content to keep you busy beyond the first month. Guild Wars was actually pretty awsome (and free) and had 100 times better quality then SWG will ever get, but the problem was that it lacked the free envirment that I loved about SWG.
So, the problem is, that is how SWG is now. All I have ever really wanted was a fixed Pre-CU and I am simply tired of rewarding a company for taking short cuts and sloppy coding. I spent 2.5 years paying to play a game that was "getting better" just to have everything I work for ripped away and tossed out the window.
Unlike Charlie Brown, I won't keep trying to kick the football anymore.
I got a whole year till I transfer my creds to a different college so my Min Wage covers everything so far now till I move out. Little much info, but still money is no problem to me atm, so I continue.
LOL
I agree with you on this one.
I am not sure what's more sad though-- saying "it is getting better" or that the game being less complex is "ok" --
The term balance is really in the eye of the beholder, as I think we had balance but with some needed adjustments..
Sorry alot of us like the complex game with diversity and depth, not the NGE way of no need for any decay or each other.. I am more of a SIM MMO type that once filled SWG.. Not your fast bang bang Benny Hill, less animations type with no risk at all.
Just because you dummy somthing down, does not make it better. (So the term) "It's getting better" ... is just not enough for me or alot of us I dare say.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I came back 4 different times during the NGE....and quit each time out of disgust. I actually had fun pvping for about a week or two....and then I slowly found myself logging in less and less.
The problem is that I have such high standards set for me by playing pre-cu and cu that I, and I suspect many of you as well) will never truly be happy long term with any other MMO out there until something better comes along.
I'm playing the duck's game atm and to me it's alot more enjoyable in it's alph stage than the NGE is in it's beta.
Its not hard to get better when you have a barely functional MMO to start with. SWG is substandard in every possible area and these weak attempts to draw unsuspecting players back is disgusting.
Lol good point.
It is hard to get worse when your at the bottom already lol....
"One eyed man would be king in the land of the blind"--- heh
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
So, we now have This game rocks now, SWG FREE TRIAL TO VETS, and now this thread. Yup, I'm guessing there is some sort of commission being paid to recruit subscribers to SWG.
If the game is so good, why do people come here to beg others to play it?
Everytime I see this thread title I can't help but think of the poor old chap in Quest for the Holy Grail claiming, "I'm not dead yet...I'm getting better!"
But then, some miserable bastard who is collecting dead people for God-knows-what purposes, wacks him over the head. Then, the old man is finally dead.
I will let all of you fill in the chars from this story with chars from the saga that is SWG....
Ehm... Have they put back in all the professions? Is it still running in Benny Hill mode? Are there still creature/char levels? Oh. Nevermind then. After what they pulled on us, I would still be reluctant to give them my money even if they offered classic servers. But hell, there's just nothing else worth a crap nowadays.
Man, I miss swg...I haven't been able to find any mmo's out there that compare to it. Really tired of WoW and its clones saturating the market.
I'm really bummed about the state of mmo's in general these days.