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Archlord: The Definitive Preview
Nicod3mus
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Aight...everyone that has followed the upcoming AL title is familiar with the "PlayPlus" system. I am probably the leading hater......I think it is bad for the game, bad for MMOs, and bad for gaming in general. I have voiced my opinion in not-so-nice posts on the official boards time and time again. In response to the criticisms of "PlayPlus" we have received some encouraging responses from some people fairly high up who make the claim that they will adjust it based on it's popularity in the beta phases. Having said that there are still some serious reasons to try this game and I am going to list the ones that stand out in my mind from personal experience.
1) Auction house - There are in town auction houses that allow a player driven economy to flourish and they are very user friendly. Anyone from L2 or the scaithes of other games that didn't have AH's knows how burdensome and time consuming selling and buying can be without one.
2) No healers or support - There are no healers. This means you won't come up against 3 overpowered classes pulling 3 healers each behind them taking out 10 people. It also means no one has to play them. From a PVP perspective it means that the guy you are trying to kill cannot get spam healed by 5 guys and stay alive. All toons consume pots at the same rate so it brings some balance there.
3) Open PVP - You can kill anyone you want anywhere on the map other than in the safe zone towns.
4) Criminal/Bounty System - If you go and PK ( kill someone even though they don't fight back) someone they can report you as a criminal to the NPC and anyone in the game may add to the bounty on your head. That being said you can hunt PC's for loot...that is correct whites drop.
5) No XP Penalty - There is no XP penalty if you return to town. For those that say, "How weak!" I beg to differ. There IS an XP penalty for getting ressed (which is only by item). In other words if you want to return to town and go about your business then you are all good. If you want to stay and contend for a zone or defend the pride of you guild then you will pay the price in XP.
6) Guild based - The game is made for guilds. The guild war system is good and guilds play a huge part in the Archlord competition.
7)Food - In FFXI which IMO was a crappy game you could make food and eat it for special buffs and bonuses. You can also do this in AL.
8) Special ability weapons and armor - Not only can you add special abilities and bonuses to your items very easily from day 1 at the blacksmith weapons drop with incredible combinations of the abilities and bonuses. The overall drop rate of armor and weapons is higher than I have ever seen as well.
9) PVP Balance - There is no class that owns everyone in PVP. There are classes better at certain aspects such as straight up PKing or long lasting battles but all in all more even then anything I have seen.
10) Map Size and Detail - The world is very very large. I ran for about an hour and didn't make it halfway across the map and ports cost a pretty penny. It is almost like EVE in the fact that there appear to be remote places for the "pirates" or "CRIMINAL" players to be able to level and purchase everything needed to maintain without going into a populated zone. This says, "zone control" to me which is one of the things we are all about.
11)The Archlord System - The system is really cool. Not something we are to concerned about but never the less really cool. Every cycle there is a contest to determine the new Archlord. The competition is PVP duels and the winner takes all. I believe that the contestants represent their individual clans but I am unclear as of yet on this point. Among other things the Archlord controls server wide variables such as weather and tax rates and also travels with 4 armed personal bodyguards.
I am sure that I have left something out but I felt the need to get out why I feel this game has the potential to end the ridiculous drought that has besought MMO gaming for the last year or so. It looks better to me than anything else and although we are eagerly awaiting Huxley this game is the now for us.
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About the last point...the Archlord system. The devs themselves have said that to achieve the status a player would have to go through several large scale castle sieges, defeat a fire demon, then siege the previous Archlord's castle. Has this changed to simple pvp duels? Not sure what else in your post is accurate or not now.
I'd give it a try if they dropped the whole PayPlus bs that they are trying to sneak through to the american audience. That crap is not going to fly over here.
Nono, the original system has not changed.
about the playplus, maybe you should first try it before you bash it. saying it won't fly over here is ignorant when you never gave it a chance. on a sidenote, Archlord has been in the best selling games over at gamestop.
Although I'm totally agree on the fact that healers and support tent to be exploited by botting and suchs i really don't like what im reading here. No support classes means no meaningfull reason for grouping and group PvP. It may sounds like balance but to me it sounds like there no meaningfull group stategic in this game. Your telling you hate getting killed by 6 people when your fighting with 10 agains them but for seasoned group PvPers this is part of the joys. So you get crushed by six people because your to lame to balance your group with the right mix of classes. Kick 3 of that group of yours and replace them with good playing healers and you will have the advantage and kick those 6 peeps your facing with mana to spare. Having no healers and support isn't about balance IMO it about devs sick and teried of people ranting about so called 'exploits' which really are no exploits at all but just better stategic and mostly better more seasoned group PvPers. Basiclly it sounds like it has the combat system of diablo 2 where the support between classes was pretty much meaningless and you mostly relyed on mana and healing pots to survive and that makes my point because diablo 2 had no meaningfull group PvPing at all and stategic didn't go further then getting the right gear
Well i see some positive and negative points but this was the only one that really allarmed me. Sins its an PvP oriented game i only see futher for it if PvP is meaningfull on the group level aswell otherwise i would advice people to stay away
Nono, the original system has not changed.
about the playplus, maybe you should first try it before you bash it. saying it won't fly over here is ignorant when you never gave it a chance. on a sidenote, Archlord has been in the best selling games over at gamestop.
BY looking at the fundamental scheme of Payplus, it doesn't take much to see that it can terrible shift the balance of players. In a competitive mmo, this is bad. So I agree with Smirch, and I have been backing up what Nicodemus has been saying over on the Archlord forums about Payplus.
If players choose to pay extra money for the Lord or Knight subscription, I am guessing that they are going to expect some items of worth to buy with the extra credits. Not just superficial items, but items that will give them advantages in gameplay. Of course, there are some players who would pay extra for things that don't directly impact gameplay, but Archlord is a competitve mmo, and I think the majority of players will want to try to compete.
Payplus looks like it will offer people who pay more RL $ an edge on the competition. I don't see how this will work, but I hope to get into beta to see it for myself.
The game has an audience in mind, which is, the hardcore achiever/killer segment. The same segment that is the most vocal about what they want, and the most ambitious to do it.
Whether they come out or not remains to be seen.
This game gives them the exact things they lobby for in the MMORPG forums here and in every other game. If they are truly honest with us and say that this type of hardcore PvP and raiding experience is what they are after, the game should do well.
However, I don't think the twinking hardcore raiders here are being honest with us. I don't think they want to compete against other hardcores in a hardcore game like Archlord. If EVE is any experience, the hardcore heavies want to compete against amatures, roleplayers, and other "gimped players," which are the very people that will stay away from Archlord.
That being said, I agree with the problems with the tiered pricing from a philisophical standpoint, but from a marketing standpoint its brilliant. There are high stakes rewards here, and high stakes competition that will just pay the higher fee because of their guild's ambition to be the Archlord.
It will be interesting to see how this game does.
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Nono, the original system has not changed.
about the playplus, maybe you should first try it before you bash it. saying it won't fly over here is ignorant when you never gave it a chance. on a sidenote, Archlord has been in the best selling games over at gamestop.
BY looking at the fundamental scheme of Payplus, it doesn't take much to see that it can terrible shift the balance of players. In a competitive mmo, this is bad. So I agree with Smirch, and I have been backing up what Nicodemus has been saying over on the Archlord forums about Payplus.
If players choose to pay extra money for the Lord or Knight subscription, I am guessing that they are going to expect some items of worth to buy with the extra credits. Not just superficial items, but items that will give them advantages in gameplay. Of course, there are some players who would pay extra for things that don't directly impact gameplay, but Archlord is a competitve mmo, and I think the majority of players will want to try to compete.
Payplus looks like it will offer people who pay more RL $ an edge on the competition. I don't see how this will work, but I hope to get into beta to see it for myself.
You might not see it, but it makes me think of Magic the Gathering.
QFT. People should not be worrying too much about payment system right now,when they might not be playing the game after the beta. More like,prepare for beta and have fun.
It's ok to judge the system,but give it a chance.
Word. I want my beta account NOW NOW NOW.
I got over excited in this post and forgot how to spell.
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-baff
The character customization is pretty weak off the bat but I bought a little zoro mask and a purple mohawk pretty cheap lol...as far as the archlord system goes yes you do have to kill the fire demon to activate sieges but I havent experienced it first hand, it's the only thing in that list I havent experienced first hand.
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Gameloading: You are the Archlord fanboi of the century so theres no swaying you to say something negative about an obviously horrible system.
BUT if the beta feedback doesn't change Codemaster's mind about this crap payment system I want you to remember what I said as Archlord nose dives into the bargain bin. I'll be here smiling and thinking of you.
Now if they do change the PayPlus bs after beta goes ape shit, I'll hire two korean working girls to go to town on you with a tub of Crisco and handcuffs.
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In Death - Sacrifice.
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-baff
just because someone doesn't yell :"omg, I don't know jack about the payment system, but its so obvious its bad and if you disagree then your a fanboi"
you know what people like you are called? Ignorant.
just because someone doesn't yell :"omg, I don't know jack about the payment system, but its so obvious its bad and if you disagree then your a fanboi"
you know what people like you are called? Ignorant.
I disagree with the plan fundamentally. Regardless of the specifics of any plan I believe that it is bad for MMOs to allow any player to purchase something in game that gives them an advantage. 99% of all the people who I have talked to about the issue dislike it for the very same reason. I don't have to get hit by a truck to know it would suck. To say you have to experience something to disagree with it in principality is ignorant my friend. It's bad for Archlord and it contributes to the single worst trend in MMO gaming history, end of story.
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just because someone doesn't yell :"omg, I don't know jack about the payment system, but its so obvious its bad and if you disagree then your a fanboi"
you know what people like you are called? Ignorant.
I disagree with the plan fundamentally. Regardless of the specifics of any plan I believe that it is bad for MMOs to allow any player to purchase something in game that gives them an advantage. 99% of all the people who I have talked to about the issue dislike it for the very same reason. I don't have to get hit by a truck to know it would suck. To say you have to experience something to disagree with it in principality is ignorant my friend. It's bad for Archlord and it contributes to the single worst trend in MMO gaming history, end of story.
Thats nothing more then your opinion which is based on absolutely nothing, because Codemasters didn't release a lot of information about it.
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Orcs can play as Shamans, Beserkers and Hunters
Moonelves can play as Elementalists and Spiritualists (though this class is also known as Rangers)
I will say the same thing as the big boss over at Codemasters: Try it first, and then give the thumbs up or thumbs down.
comparing games to sex....do you honnestly completely fail to see how flawed that counter arguement is?
you sir, don't know what your talking about, because no information has been given about the system yet. and thats a fact. you can come here arguing all day, it won't change the facts you are only assuming, and not talking out of experience.
the only one that is ignorant is you. I base my words on facts. you base it on.....nothing!
Granted, gaming and sex are normally mutually exclusive but the comparison stands. You don't need to try something to know that its a flawed system.
Lets see how balancing PayPlus is when Joe Shmoe paying 10 bucks a month gets his ass handed to him by Captain Smacktard paying for the supreme no holds barred package.
PS. Timed your response time on that last one...3 minutes. Good job.
Granted, gaming and sex are normally mutually exclusive but the comparison stands. You don't need to try something to know that its a flawed system.
Wrong. you know what the sex example is like, because you know what happens and whats the deal. you don't know what will happen with playplus system, so your arguement is flawed.
Lets see how balancing PayPlus is when Joe Shmoe paying 10 bucks a month gets his ass handed to him by Captain Smacktard paying for the supreme no holds barred package.
You don't know if that will happen. its that simple.
PS. Timed your response time on that last one...3 minutes. Good job.