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Woah sodomy is illegal?

Okay, i know alot of things but i was still confused on what sodomy was, yes yes laugh it up, but my college course that iam taking we had to debate in class if sodomy should be legal or not between two consenting adults.

After i read on what sodomy was i was a bit surprised many states still find this illegal, i mean what goes on in the bedroom between two ADULTs is their own buisness, but i was shocked to find out many states still find it very illegal even if you get caught doing it in your own house, the state arkansas has the maximum punishment with 20 years - life in jail.

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  • SnaKeySnaKey Member Posts: 3,386

    The Universal Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) has the same maximum penalty for everything from Jaywalking to a Traitor.

    Sodomy is illegal according to UCMJ Law and therefore has the maximum penalty of Death.
    So, technically... if your commander walks in on your screwing your wife from behind, then you could be put to death the next day. :-P

    Beat that :-P

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  • britocabritoca Member Posts: 1,484


    Originally posted by VallonZek
    Okay, i know alot of things but i was still confused on what sodomy was, yes yes laugh it up, but my college course that iam taking we had to debate in class if sodomy should be legal or not between two consenting adults.
    After i read on what sodomy was i was a bit surprised many states still find this illegal, i mean what goes on in the bedroom between two ADULTs is their own buisness, but i was shocked to find out many states still find it very illegal even if you get caught doing it in your own house, the state arkansas has the maximum punishment with 20 years - life in jail.


    how can this still be illegal? That makes no sense.

    Besides, they are punishing sodomy by placing you in a sodomy-infested prison.... ::::15::

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  • naldricnaldric Member UncommonPosts: 909
    Lot's of porn stars in the death row? lol
  • JackcoltJackcolt Member UncommonPosts: 2,170
    Wait a min. Just read the definition again. How the **** can that be illegal if I want to use another entrance than the main one?

    Good it ain't illegal here in Denmark.


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  • SnaKeySnaKey Member Posts: 3,386


    Originally posted by Jackcolt
    Wait a min. Just read the definition again. How the **** can that be illegal if I want to use another entrance than the main one?Good it ain't illegal here in Denmark.


    Sodomy is ANYTHING other than Missionary Position. Oral sex is sodomy. Doggystyle is sodomy, everything is sodomy.

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  • WantsumBierWantsumBier Member Posts: 1,079


    Originally posted by SnaKey


    Originally posted by Jackcolt
    Wait a min. Just read the definition again. How the **** can that be illegal if I want to use another entrance than the main one?Good it ain't illegal here in Denmark.



    Sodomy is ANYTHING other than Missionary Position. Oral sex is sodomy. Doggystyle is sodomy, everything is sodomy.


    Are you still talking about the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) if so that is not true. Some states, counties, and municipalities might have more indepth laws or ordinances, that I am not sure of.

    http://www.military-network.com/main_ucmj/SUBCHAPTERX.html#925.125

    Here is a link. It is pretty close to what I remember from my time in the service.

    Also not everything is punishable by death. Actually very few things are (treason, desertion in time of war, ect.)

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  • DrenethDreneth Member Posts: 697

    I remember back when I was in high school, we were told in Sex-Ed that sodomy was considered a "crime against nature" in Massachusetts, and punishable with imprisonment for 20 years.  I did a little research to see if that was a crock, and found that it was indeed true.

    Not sure if it is still illegal here now, but could you imagine the task force assigned to that line of investigation?

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  • SnaKeySnaKey Member Posts: 3,386

    [quote]Originally posted by WantsumBier
    [b]Are you still talking about the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) if so that is not true. Some states, counties, and municipalities might have more indepth laws or ordinances, that I am not sure of.
    [url=http://www.military-network.com/main_ucmj/SUBCHAPTERX.html#925.125]
    Here is a link. It is pretty close to what I remember from my time in the service.
    [/b][/quote]

    Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration , however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.


    As I said.
    Anything but missionary position.

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  • VallonZekVallonZek Member Posts: 36
    It definatly is true, i dont know how porn gets away with many of the things it does. Prostituion = Paying some one to have sex with them which is illegal, pornstars get have sex and get payed for it ?!?

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  • Rikimaru_XRikimaru_X Member UncommonPosts: 11,718
    Wait...So this is basicly, if you have sex in your home...it's illegal? Sorry I just worke up, but can someone explain this without using words like: "carnal copulation"

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  • WantsumBierWantsumBier Member Posts: 1,079


    As I said.
    Anything but missionary position.


    Sorry if that one was not as specific as this one (I posted the wrong link my bad.)

    http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm125.htm

    By the way, are you in the service? Not a flame just wondering if that is what they are teaching now.

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  • SnaKeySnaKey Member Posts: 3,386


    Originally posted by VallonZek
    It definatly is true, i dont know how porn gets away with many of the things it does. Prostituion = Paying some one to have sex with them which is illegal, pornstars get have sex and get payed for it ?!?


    Porn stars aren't getting paid to have sex with any individual person. They are getting paid to have sex in general. Where as prostitutes are getting paid to give someone sexual gratification.

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  • WantsumBierWantsumBier Member Posts: 1,079


    Originally posted by VallonZek
    It definatly is true, i dont know how porn gets away with many of the things it does. Prostituion = Paying some one to have sex with them which is illegal, pornstars get have sex and get payed for it ?!?

    It is a crime, and if you could find a prosecutor that wanted to pursue it, he could probably get a conviction pretty easily (with all the video footage).

    Right now in our current system of justice there are higher ranking crimes to deal with. They (the police) can also arrest you for adultery in many states.

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  • SnaKeySnaKey Member Posts: 3,386

    [quote]Originally posted by WantsumBier
    [b]
    As I said.Anything but missionary position.

    Sorry if that one was not as specific as this one (I posted the wrong link my bad.)
    [url=http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm125.htm]
    By the way, are you in the service? Not a flame just wondering if that is what they are teaching now.
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    I just want to point out that, that is About.com's explaination of it.
    and i have no idea where the hell they got the Maximum punishment stuff. They do not quote any articles next to it.

    "b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall by punished as a court-martial may direct."

    Court-Martial is Court-Martial. "As Court Martial May Direct" therefore meaning it can be punished by death.

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  • WantsumBierWantsumBier Member Posts: 1,079


    Originally posted by SnaKey


    Originally posted by VallonZek
    It definatly is true, i dont know how porn gets away with many of the things it does. Prostituion = Paying some one to have sex with them which is illegal, pornstars get have sex and get payed for it ?!?


    Porn stars aren't getting paid to have sex with any individual person. They are getting paid to have sex in general. Where as prostitutes are getting paid to give someone sexual gratification.


    Are you serious? If so where are you getting your definition of prostitution?  Every law I have read states that it is sex or sex act for compensation. It does not matter if the "Jon" actually finishes.

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  • DenmarDenmar Member UncommonPosts: 24


    Originally posted by SnaKey


    Originally posted by Jackcolt
    Wait a min. Just read the definition again. How the **** can that be illegal if I want to use another entrance than the main one?Good it ain't illegal here in Denmark.



    Sodomy is ANYTHING other than Missionary Position. Oral sex is sodomy. Doggystyle is sodomy, everything is sodomy.


    Uh, no.  Sodomy relates to penetration, not the position you are in when the penetration happens.  i.e. vaginal sex done from "doggy style" is most certainly not sodomy.
  • grimweepergrimweeper Member Posts: 2,047
    Yea but how would you get cought? And where would they get the proof from?

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  • DaEm0nDaEm0n Member Posts: 520


    Originally posted by Rikimaru_X
    Wait...So this is basicly, if you have sex in your home...it's illegal? Sorry I just worke up, but can someone explain this without using words like: "carnal copulation"


    Riki, sodomy is having sex, "unnaturally".

    Ex: Anal or oral.

    Stuff like that.

    To the porn star thing: Remember, that they are getting paid to have sex in general, and that pornography is considered an "art form" in the movie business. Kind of funny, if you ask me.

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  • britocabritoca Member Posts: 1,484


    Originally posted by WantsumBier

    Originally posted by VallonZek It definatly is true, i dont know how porn gets away with many of the things it does. Prostituion = Paying some one to have sex with them which is illegal, pornstars get have sex and get payed for it ?!? It is a crime, and if you could find a prosecutor that wanted to pursue it, he could probably get a conviction pretty easily (with all the video footage).
    Right now in our current system of justice there are higher ranking crimes to deal with. They (the police) can also arrest you for adultery in many states.

    it's been done in the 70s when it became commercialized I believe. I don't remeber the details,. but it all came down to something like this (I'm not gonna debate the details because, frankly, I couldn't care less about it):
    a) being optional and concensual between all parties involved
    b) non-private exibition (a camera is filming).

    Prostitution needs to be legalized anyways. Face it, it won't go away because it never has gone away over the millenia, and I'd much rather see people healthy and with rights, than diseased and almost enslaved sex workers.

    It's entertainment, that's all, except it involves people playing with their bodies. Some put morality in the mix, but that's their personal view. Other people can be extremely casual about all of this, and that's their personal view as well.

    I have no problems with it whatsoever

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  • freethinkerfreethinker Member UncommonPosts: 775


    Originally posted by VallonZek

    Okay, i know alot of things but i was still confused on what sodomy was, yes yes laugh it up, but my college course that iam taking we had to debate in class if sodomy should be legal or not between two consenting adults.
    After i read on what sodomy was i was a bit surprised many states still find this illegal, i mean what goes on in the bedroom between two ADULTs is their own buisness, but i was shocked to find out many states still find it very illegal even if you get caught doing it in your own house, the state arkansas has the maximum punishment with 20 years - life in jail.


    you can thank fundy christians for that one. 

    remember, they have every right to impose their beliefs on you and you get to take it right up the ass (pun intended)

    btw..they don't let me buy alcohol on sundays in my state...pretty dumb eh?

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  • WantsumBierWantsumBier Member Posts: 1,079


    Originally posted by SnaKey

    I just want to point out that, that is About.com's explaination of it.
    and i have no idea where the hell they got the Maximum punishment stuff. They do not quote any articles next to it.
    "b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall by punished as a court-martial may direct."
    Court-Martial is Court-Martial. "As Court Martial May Direct" therefore meaning it can be punished by death.


    Almost, there was a reference further down on the page.

    Maximum punishment.

    (1) By force and without consent. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for life without eligibility for parole.

    (2) With a child who, at the time of the offense, has attained the age of 12 but is under the age of 16 years. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 20 years.

    (3) With a child under the age of 12 years at the time of the offense. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for life without eligibility for parole.

    (4) Other cases. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 5 years.

    Next Article> Article 126-Arson >

    Above Information from Manual for Court Martial, 2002, Chapter 4, Paragraph 51


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  • RazorbackRazorback Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 5,253

    Ok lets say it is illegal...

    Is this gonna cause a problem for anyone ?

    Nows your chance to come out

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  • KhuzarrzKhuzarrz Member Posts: 578



    Originally posted by britoca

    it's been done in the 70s when it became commercialized I believe. I don't remeber the details,. but it all came down to something like this (I'm not gonna debate the details because, frankly, I couldn't care less about it):
    a) being optional and concensual between all parties involved
    b) non-private exibition (a camera is filming).


    I'm under the impression that the clause they actually got out of charges before the laws surrounding it were actually written (yes, there are HEAVY restrictions on the porn industry... What most people fail to realise however, is that though it is illegal to have anal sex in such and such a state, go to a state where it is legal, you can do it, record it, and then distribute it in states where it's illegal... The same can be done to evade beastiality laws and such like - recording outside of countries where it is illegal, and then distribution in countries where it is illegal), was that they were not being paid to have sex - ie. they did not get extra pay based on how many times it went in and out, and whether they gave head or whatever - they were paid for their time, and the priviledge of filming them, the same as you pay any actor to star in a film...
  • britocabritoca Member Posts: 1,484


    Originally posted by Khuzarrz

    Originally posted by britoca
    it's been done in the 70s when it became commercialized I believe. I don't remeber the details,. but it all came down to something like this (I'm not gonna debate the details because, frankly, I couldn't care less about it):a) being optional and concensual between all parties involvedb) non-private exibition (a camera is filming).
    I'm under the impression that the clause they actually got out of charges before the laws surrounding it were actually written (yes, there are HEAVY restrictions on the porn industry... What most people fail to realise however, is that though it is illegal to have anal sex in such and such a state, go to a state where it is legal, you can do it, record it, and then distribute it in states where it's illegal... The same can be done to evade beastiality laws and such like - recording outside of countries where it is illegal, and then distribution in countries where it is illegal), was that they were not being paid to have sex - ie. they did not get extra pay based on how many times it went in and out, and whether they gave head or whatever - they were paid for their time, and the priviledge of filming them, the same as you pay any actor to star in a film...

    So a hooker who is paid by the hour would be perfectly legal if someone were to film her?

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  • abbabaabbaba Member Posts: 1,143

    There are lots of different definitions for sodomy...but I think it's understood by most to mean homosexual sex. The word sodomy comes form the story in the bible...after the homosexual practices of men living in Sodom.

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