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Want to make my own MMORPG... Don't know what to do.

Ok, first of all I'm only 13 years old. I have no knowledge of how to program at all. I know that a lot of people want to make games, but usually don't get very far with it. My dad has a few books on programming, but hes never programmed games before (he doesn't like video games). I play a LOT of games and I really like being able to interact with other players.

I don't want to make this a career or anything, just something I could do in my spare time. I realize that this will take a LOT of time and work. This isn't something I plan to spend 3 hours a day on, maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day. Before I make my own MMORPG, I want to learn how to make a game first. At first I will start with something simple, something that I don't have to spend more than a month on. My problem is, I don't know how to program.

If anyone has any knowledge of programming and has any advice of where I should start off, PLEASE reply! Thank you all!


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  • Amnesiac07Amnesiac07 Member Posts: 103
    Well at least you're starting young, you've got that going for you.  In all honesty the best thing you could probably do is graduate high school and get the appropiate bachelor's degree to get you started.

    I know that's not the answer you're looking for at this point though.  Threads like this come up a fair amount and usually people have some pretty good links to sites that have nice tutorials on the game development market.

    Maybe trying searching the forums or googling it.  I will post a good link if I come I can find it.


  • TheodorykTheodoryk Member Posts: 1,453

    I want to design and manufacture my own sports car.

    Ok, first of all I'm only 25 years old. I have no mechanical, design, or engineering knowledge at all. I know that a lot of people want to make cars, but usually don't get very far with it. My dad has a few books on mechanics, but hes never designed a car before (he doesn't like cars). I drive ALOT of cars and I really like being able to interact with other drivers.

    I don't want to make this a career or anything, just something I could do in my spare time. I realize that this will take a LOT of time and work. This isn't something I plan to spend 3 hours a day on, maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day. Before I make my own sports car, I want to learn how to make a motorcycle first. At first I will start with something simple, something that I don't have to spend more than a month on. My problem is, I don't know how to build a car.

    If anyone has any knowledge of car design and has any advice of where I should start off, PLEASE reply! Thank you all!

    "Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
    -baff

  • opeth313xopeth313x Member Posts: 234


    Originally posted by Theodoryk

    I want to design and manufacture my own sports car.
    Ok, first of all I'm only 25 years old. I have no mechanical, design, or engineering knowledge at all. I know that a lot of people want to make cars, but usually don't get very far with it. My dad has a few books on mechanics, but hes never designed a car before (he doesn't like cars). I drive ALOT of cars and I really like being able to interact with other drivers.
    I don't want to make this a career or anything, just something I could do in my spare time. I realize that this will take a LOT of time and work. This isn't something I plan to spend 3 hours a day on, maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day. Before I make my own sports car, I want to learn how to make a motorcycle first. At first I will start with something simple, something that I don't have to spend more than a month on. My problem is, I don't know how to build a car.
    If anyone has any knowledge of car design and has any advice of where I should start off, PLEASE reply! Thank you all!


    LMAO

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  • GreyfaceGreyface Member Posts: 390

    You'll probably have a better time modding existing games than building one from scratch.  If you like RPGs, you might want to try using Neverwinter Nights' toolset to try out some design ideas and learn a little basic scripting.... or even try Neverwinter Nights 2 when it comes out.  After you get the hang of that, look into modding other games.

      

  • JaziaJazia Member Posts: 584


    Originally posted by Theodoryk
    I want to design and manufacture my own sports car.Ok, first of all I'm only 25 years old. I have no mechanical, design, or engineering knowledge at all. I know that a lot of people want to make cars, but usually don't get very far with it. My dad has a few books on mechanics, but hes never designed a car before (he doesn't like cars). I drive ALOT of cars and I really like being able to interact with other drivers.I don't want to make this a career or anything, just something I could do in my spare time. I realize that this will take a LOT of time and work. This isn't something I plan to spend 3 hours a day on, maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day. Before I make my own sports car, I want to learn how to make a motorcycle first. At first I will start with something simple, something that I don't have to spend more than a month on. My problem is, I don't know how to build a car.If anyone has any knowledge of car design and has any advice of where I should start off, PLEASE reply! Thank you all!

    lol

  • JaziaJazia Member Posts: 584

    Well, he is right.


    On the other hand, you might want to use Neverwinter Nights tool to make moduels. That might be a start for now. It is impossible for an individual to make a MMO completely on your own, but it is possible to use exist game tools to make its moduels. NWN servers are all customized moduels made by players, just so you know. But they wouldn't be able to do it from nothing. The tools were all there came with the game.

  • SarmaskenSarmasken Member Posts: 2

    you sound ambitious and there is nothing wrong with that at all. Great things often come true due to these dreams and the love for making it happen.

    If I sould come with any advise on making a game, I would recommend you start with an idea of a game and its gameplay. Grasp the core of the game, and write down the story. Create a story for the game that is unique and interesting. A story that everyone whants to be a part of.

    Then you can go think of ideas of how the story should be told through the game. How people should interact with each other. Gameplay is very important and as the story og the game this part of the game will not age as other parts of the makings of games will (like graphics and AI). ofcause you have to get the knowledge on how to actually program the game ;-). THINK BIG!!

    Now that we are at it. I would like to build a spacestation or space collony holding approximatly 5 million ppl. How should I continue from ths idea till its making? I have thought of many ways to do this but it is very inconprehensive to at all begin the project. any ideas on how to begin this project?

  • Kaos_nyrbKaos_nyrb Member Posts: 244

    Forget about it.
    Unless your willing to spend the next 10 years, 18 hours of every with no breaks.

    First off even a simple computer game can take a solid month to write, this is assuming it's a pacman clone, you spend a good whack of time on it and you're a fully capable programmer.

    Second mmorpgs are created by teams of hundreds of people, and no you can't just get people online to help you. (I speak from the experenced viewpoint of a HL2 modder)

    Third theres a reason that good mmorpg's are not free. They cost millions to create and maintain, which is simply beyond all but the most canny small bussinesses.

    Fourth sorry for shooting down your hopes but someone has to!

  • katriellkatriell Member UncommonPosts: 977


    Originally posted by Theodoryk
    I want to design and manufacture my own sports car.Ok, first of all I'm only 25 years old. I have no mechanical, design, or engineering knowledge at all. I know that a lot of people want to make cars, but usually don't get very far with it. My dad has a few books on mechanics, but hes never designed a car before (he doesn't like cars). I drive ALOT of cars and I really like being able to interact with other drivers.I don't want to make this a career or anything, just something I could do in my spare time. I realize that this will take a LOT of time and work. This isn't something I plan to spend 3 hours a day on, maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day. Before I make my own sports car, I want to learn how to make a motorcycle first. At first I will start with something simple, something that I don't have to spend more than a month on. My problem is, I don't know how to build a car.If anyone has any knowledge of car design and has any advice of where I should start off, PLEASE reply! Thank you all!
    No, that's not quite accurate...

    "I want to design and manufacture my own space shuttle.

    Ok, first of all I'm only ## years old. I have no mechanical, design, engineering, or physics knowledge at all. I know that a lot of people want to make space ships, but usually don't get very far with it. My dad has a few books on space and science, but he's never designed a shuttle before (he doesn't like space travel). I read about NASA and watch sci-fi movies A LOT. and I really like interacting with other space enthusiasts at sci-fi conventions.

    I don't want to make this a career or anything, just something I could do in my spare time. I realize that this will take a LOT of time and work. This isn't something I plan to spend 3 hours a day on, maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day. Before I make my own space shuttle, I want to learn how to make an airplane. At first I will start with something simple, something that I don't have to spend more than a month on. My problem is, I don't know how to build a space shuttle.

    If anyone has any knowledge of shuttle design and has any advice of where I should start off, PLEASE reply! Thank you all!"

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  • ianubisiianubisi Member Posts: 4,201

    http://www.sloperama.com/advice/idea.htm

    Incidentally, with the criteria of "I only want to do this maybe 30 minutes a day" I suggest you simply give up the idea altogether.

  • SarmaskenSarmasken Member Posts: 2


    Originally posted by Kaos_nyrb

    Forget about it.
    Unless your willing to spend the next 10 years, 18 hours of every with no breaks.
    First off even a simple computer game can take a solid month to write, this is assuming it's a pacman clone, you spend a good whack of time on it and you're a fully capable programmer.
    Second mmorpgs are created by teams of hundreds of people, and no you can't just get people online to help you. (I speak from the experenced viewpoint of a HL2 modder)
    Third theres a reason that good mmorpg's are not free. They cost millions to create and maintain, which is simply beyond all but the most canny small bussinesses.
    Fourth sorry for shooting down your hopes but someone has to!


    I partly agree with you. it is hopeless to make an intire game on your own. I disagree on the "forget it"-part. I would love to see 20 years ahead and see what kind of game you could come up with. many of the great games we see to day can be tracked back many years. some makes the game on a known univers that has proven popular (Starwar Galaxies, now also Lord of the Rings online) others create their own univers(world of warcraft). the stories are catching and that helps them towards succes.

    I hope you follow your dreams. dont let the vastness of the project knock you out. you can sel your idea to others and see the game come true.

    best of luck

  • GM-FStevensGM-FStevens Member Posts: 9

    Speaking from experience, the first thing you should concern yourself with is figuring out exactly what it is that you want to make, then figure out how to make it happen.

    The lonely would-be game developers best friend is unfortunately his business sense. If you haven't secured funding yet, your primary focus will be in taking that idea you originally came up with, and selling it to possible investors.

    MMORPGs do take years on average to develop, which is your biggest problem. No one wants to give you the time of day, be it startup money, real estate, or just a return phonecall when they hear that your product won't be sellable for over two years.

    My recomendation is everytime you get in a creative mood, write it down be it art, story, or possible innovative features. When those things fill up a few pages, write up a potential executive pitch with a few figures on how much mmorpgs bring in income [for those that don't suck which is farely few], polish it up and then imediately start spamming it to every email address you can think of.

    Send it to investment firms, venture capitalists, soft drink manufacturers, anything and as many as possible.

    The bottom line is that unless you screw it up seriously [starwars galaxies] or make a fantasy mmorpg [way too many of them out there for the current playerbase] then it will bring in lots of money so long as oyu offer the customer something they cannot get anywhere else. Drive that home when talking to potential lenders and investors and eventually you will find your first taker. From there on out it get's easier little by little. It's just getting over that first years long hard trek working on ideas in your spare time while working a job you hate.

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  • Originally posted by opeth313x



    Ok, first of all I'm only 13 years old. I have no knowledge of how to program at all. I know that a lot of people want to make games, but usually don't get very far with it. My dad has a few books on programming, but hes never programmed games before (he doesn't like video games). I play a LOT of games and I really like being able to interact with other players.

    I don't want to make this a career or anything, just something I could do in my spare time. I realize that this will take a LOT of time and work. This isn't something I plan to spend 3 hours a day on, maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day. Before I make my own MMORPG, I want to learn how to make a game first. At first I will start with something simple, something that I don't have to spend more than a month on. My problem is, I don't know how to program.

    If anyone has any knowledge of programming and has any advice of where I should start off, PLEASE reply! Thank you all!




    Congratulations on your intrest! But you have to go further! There is a famous saying - "Either do the job right, or do not do it at all."


    It is possible for 1 person to make a mmorpg. It will not be an EQ, or WoW, or EvE, etc.... But look at Runescape, Astonia 3, Race War Kingdoms, and Strive for Power. First you have to start small. The most successful computer programmer in the world, started in his garage, ALONE, all by himself. He went around the neighbourhood selling the games he made in little plastic bags. The one and only Lord British aka Richard Garriot (sp?). Same with all the major programmers for just about every computer game from the 1960's to the early 1990's. Did you know Pac-Man was created by a... DENTIST? In his spare time. He had an idea, and went with it.


    You say you are -> 13. Talk to your school principal about all available computer classes and courses in your school. Then sign up for them. Also come before school starts, and after school is over, to do extra computer class work. Ask for extra computer programming projects. You might not get graded on them, but the extra work will fast forward your learning. Don't be afraid to ask questions! Ask the computer teacher/teachers every single question you have!


    Go to any major computer store, and read the back of the game boxes. See if any company has an office in your state, town, city, etc... Call and tell them you are 15 and intrested in one day working for them. Ask if they can give you a tour of their offices. Ask your parents/older sibling to drive you.


    Visit your local major bookstore (Strands, Barnes and Noble, etc...) and check out the computer programming books. See if you can find one for beginners.


    And your school, ask your computer teacher if you can talk to a few students from the advanced computer classes. Interview them, and ask them how they got started. What books they recommend.



    IF you are serious about making your own computer games, you will have to... to... WORK! Yes, do the class homework. Spend time studying for class tests. Just like you would have to do for any other class. It is up to you!
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  • RanddRandd Member Posts: 409

    You can try playing around with this, tool to make a Fps. I know it's not a MMO but looks like a fun start
    www.fileplanet.com/165917/160000/fileinfo/Silent-Walk-FPS-Creator  




  • necro666necro666 Member Posts: 151

    nothing can bit teh quake3

    with teh skin of devs

    heh q3 was the best pvp  game

  • beethoven89beethoven89 Member Posts: 21
    If you need something to fill your creative drives that seem to be focused on video games, you could join in the modding community, making modules for games like Neverwinter Nights, or maps for Warcraft III. Those games have somewhat simple modding tools included, but they can be powerful. You could also make a RPG through RPG MAKER XP or RPG MAKER 2000 or try and find software at your local computer store that's meant for designing games, such as Dark Basic.

    And taking courses at your school or even learning on your own things like Computer Science and Programming (Use in programs like Visual Basic, which is a easy program to learn) , 3d and 2d Animation and Graphical Design (to use with programs like 3ds Max and Adobe Photoshop), can be quite benefictial, yet I would avoid the classes at school if they have nothing to do with a possible career choice of mine.

    And if you're serious about learning to program, try and get a copy of Visual Basic, I learned how to use it decently at 5th or 6th grade, so its not that difficult.




  • necro666necro666 Member Posts: 151


    Originally posted by beethoven89
    If you need something to fill your creative drives that seem to be focused on video games, you could join in the modding community, making modules for games like Neverwinter Nights, or maps for Warcraft III. Those games have somewhat simple modding tools included, but they can be powerful. You could also make a RPG through RPG MAKER XP or RPG MAKER 2000 or try and find software at your local computer store that's meant for designing games, such as Dark Basic.

    And taking courses at your school or even learning on your own things like Computer Science and Programming (Use in programs like Visual Basic, which is a easy program to learn) , 3d and 2d Animation and Graphical Design (to use with programs like 3ds Max and Adobe Photoshop), can be quite benefictial, yet I would avoid the classes at school if they have nothing to do with a possible career choice of mine.

    And if you're serious about learning to program, try and get a copy of Visual Basic, I learned how to use it decently at 5th or 6th grade, so its not that difficult.




    nice post with all those paragraphs

    but i didnt read it....only first sentebce ..some ppl always managed to be boring

  • fizzle322fizzle322 Member Posts: 723

    Stay in school, do good in math, pick up a book in C++ and start coding.

    Eventually in a few years you'll be able to make a game.

    Maybe 10 years from now, you can give your own MMORPG a shot.


  • necro666necro666 Member Posts: 151


    Originally posted by fizzle322

    Stay in school, do good in math, pick up a book in C++ and start coding.

    Eventually in a few years you'll be able to make a game.

    Maybe 10 years from now, you can give your own MMORPG a shot.



    ^no..math suxx..its boring

    newton and einstein are to much hyped by brainless americans

    so ....new evolution can wait..first teh new inquisition must diy like urssr

  • necro666necro666 Member Posts: 151


    Originally posted by fizzle322

    Stay in school, do good in math, pick up a book in C++ and start coding.

    Eventually in a few years you'll be able to make a game.

    Maybe 10 years from now, you can give your own MMORPG a shot.



    btw explain me plz a²+b²=

    no smart asses plz...fizzle must answer

  • XenduliXenduli Member Posts: 654

    You just said maths sux and its boring and now you are enquiring about quadratic equations?

    You are well confsued.

    No annoying animated GIF here!

  • SlytheSlythe Member UncommonPosts: 952


    Originally posted by necro666


    ^no..math suxx..its boring

    newton and einstein are to much hyped by brainless americans

    so ....new evolution can wait..first teh new inquisition must diy like urssr


    Unlike all those mathematical geniuses that hailed from the great country of Sualbard, right?
  • mozismozis Member Posts: 436
    I'm 16, I suck at school (it's more lilke I just don't give a shit, but according to society today it means I'm dumb) and if it were 100% up to me I would probably drop out. Guess what my advice is... Do well in school (all classes), take alot of arts and computer classes and try like hell to get into one of the top institutes of design and technology that you possibly can. Until then, work on art on the computer, just basic graphics and stuff (even using paint is good practice), play as many games as you can and as you get more experienced try to get a 3d modeling program on your computer and learn how to use it. It is a long road but you will have the coolest job in the world and you won't regret a single minute of it, good luck.

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  • giddgidd Member Posts: 89
    At that age your gonna wanna graduitate go to collage u know...join a team pick what your gonna be doing in the game... or u could try to u know  join a sperate  free game and help them make it....not much to do until u older and graduitade
  • ianubisiianubisi Member Posts: 4,201


    Originally posted by mozis
    I'm 16, I suck at school (it's more lilke I just don't give a shit, but according to society today it means I'm dumb) and if it were 100% up to me I would probably drop out.


    Yeah, dropping out of high school because you don't give a s*!+ is definitely dumb.

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