hey man good interest. whatever you do DO NOT LISTEN or READ ANY POST THAT SAYS TO GIVE UP. those are just idiots who dont have dreams of their own
as for you (i am a 3d animator) studying at ubisoft campus to orient myself to gaming. (20 years old) there aer many ways to create games. scripters (boring tedious programming) then you have 3d modelists animators level creators texture designers game developpers and yes there is even a lore keeper.
so your best way to start at 13 years old is to stay in school and finish highschool (everything they teach there is usefull for gaming (yes including history, think where the mideval games got their info....) while you are in school start small with RPG maker or neverwinternights tool set both good for game developing story line and level designing or even the warcraft3 tool set as well for level design.
as you progress in highschool learn some basics of scriping and compiling (C++) and mod out your never winter night modules.
then at the end of highschool look for stuff related to animation.
good job on looking for the info and filter out all the dont follow your dream posts (those people are jealous that you have interest at such young age)
P.S. you can make a small MMO style with the neverwinter night modules (64 ppl persistant world) and make sure you reseach on how to make a good server (T1-T3) that might be your only limitation is to host them cuz it is not cheap.
Originally posted by mozis I'm 16, I suck at school (it's more lilke I just don't give a shit, but according to society today it means I'm dumb) and if it were 100% up to me I would probably drop out.
Yeah, dropping out of high school because you don't give a s*!+ is definitely dumb.
droping out of school is the worst thing any one can imagine doing... my friend droped out hes working in a cardboard factory making 30k per year and that the best he will get for the rest of his life
gaming industry you start at 50-60 within 2 years you make 70-80k university professor 100k per year and every 5 years they get to take a year off with full salary so thats 100k in his pockets to sit in front of the tv all day if they wish... (most of them are crackheads who would rather spend all 365 days trying to solve this 1 math problem)
ok i'm neither 13 nor 25;p i'm 21, but i was wondering.. could someone get a job in a company that makes games just to provide ideas? :P eg: make an rpg with dwarves and elves and mage and warrior will be the classes.. "these" will be their spells, and thats how the game will go on.. and basicaly u just tell that to the programmer/graphic designer or wutever and thats ur job ^^
Originally posted by mozis I'm 16, I suck at school (it's more lilke I just don't give a shit, but according to society today it means I'm dumb) and if it were 100% up to me I would probably drop out.
Yeah, dropping out of high school because you don't give a s*!+ is definitely dumb.
Are you this nice to everyone or am I just special?
Originally posted by Theodoryk I want to design and manufacture my own sports car. Ok, first of all I'm only 25 years old. I have no mechanical, design, or engineering knowledge at all. I know that a lot of people want to make cars, but usually don't get very far with it. My dad has a few books on mechanics, but hes never designed a car before (he doesn't like cars). I drive ALOT of cars and I really like being able to interact with other drivers. I don't want to make this a career or anything, just something I could do in my spare time. I realize that this will take a LOT of time and work. This isn't something I plan to spend 3 hours a day on, maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day. Before I make my own sports car, I want to learn how to make a motorcycle first. At first I will start with something simple, something that I don't have to spend more than a month on. My problem is, I don't know how to build a car. If anyone has any knowledge of car design and has any advice of where I should start off, PLEASE reply! Thank you all!
wth????? this has got to be the funniest reply ive read in all the forums and threads ive read in the entire internet universe...
(\__/) Why Can't You Put ( ^.^) The Bunneh (")-(") Back In The Box?
yo dood, not to be mean but i agree with every one else that says that u shouldn't make one......
but (here comes the suggestion!!!!=) if u want to make a simple RPG and withe total eze, and spend little time on it try '' rpg maker Xp'' the only down part is that if u dont go windoes XP it dont work....
so fore your sake i hope you do.......... good luck on your '' creation'' bb
if you are serious about it, finish school and go to college, depending on your skills, major in either business or computer graphics. After that, you will need a team, most makers of MMORPGs have between 30-100 people working on it. Either join an existing company and work your way up the ranks, or take a risk and start your own company.
sorry kid, there really is not a way to do it as a hobby
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
Originally posted by opeth313x Ok, first of all I'm only 13 years old. I have no knowledge of how to program at all. I know that a lot of people want to make games, but usually don't get very far with it. My dad has a few books on programming, but hes never programmed games before (he doesn't like video games). I play a LOT of games and I really like being able to interact with other players.
I don't want to make this a career or anything, just something I could do in my spare time. I realize that this will take a LOT of time and work. This isn't something I plan to spend 3 hours a day on, maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day. Before I make my own MMORPG, I want to learn how to make a game first. At first I will start with something simple, something that I don't have to spend more than a month on. My problem is, I don't know how to program.
If anyone has any knowledge of programming and has any advice of where I should start off, PLEASE reply! Thank you all!
Realistically, even if you were a skilled programmer, creating your own MMORPG, by yourself would be a epic task. As others have said... its akin to building your own sports car.
droping out of school is the worst thing any one can imagine doing...
Bill Gates, Richard Branson, George Bernard Shaw, Henry Ford, Mark Twain, Ernest Hemmingway, Thomas Edison, Joseph Pulitzer, Agatha Christie, the list of people who dropped out and became highly successful in their lives goes on and on and on, disproving your bullshit theory.
my friend droped out hes working in a cardboard factory making 30k per year and that the best he will get for the rest of his life
Did your Student Advisor tell you that? Your friend will probably work in a cardboard plant for a couple of years, get board of it, and start wondering what the hell he wants to do for the rest of his life. Then he might make the decision to get on a plane with a thousand other newfies and Quebecers in his position, and move to northern Alberta under contract, where he'll probably get payed around 60k a year for unskilled labour. Maybe after that he'll get a little ambitious, take corporate funded tradesman's courses while working, and end up making 100k a year as a semi-skilled tradesperson. Or maybe he'll do something completely different, like teach English overseas, or (gasp) set up his own business. Sorry to break this to you, but your college education you so cherish might make you more educated than your friend, but it most certainly doesn't give you a better chance to succeed.
gaming industry you start at 50-60 within 2 years you make 70-80k university professor 100k per year and every 5 years they get to take a year off with full salary so thats 100k in his pockets to sit in front of the tv all day if they wish... (most of them are crackheads who would rather spend all 365 days trying to solve this 1 math problem)
You forgot to mention how saturated the market currently is with people who have this exact same idea, many if not most of them will end up working in that cardboard plant when your buddy and people like him move on to greener pastures.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
Originally posted by Theodoryk Bill Gates, Richard Branson, George Bernard Shaw, Henry Ford, Mark Twain, Ernest Hemmingway, Thomas Edison, Joseph Pulitzer, Agatha Christie, the list of people who dropped out and became highly successful in their lives goes on and on and on, disproving your bullshit theory.
They are the extremely few who are the exception to the rule. The vast majority of people who drop out of high school will barely earn enough to live in today's society. This isn't a "theory". This is hard, cold evidence. Here's some information to help educate you: http://www.bls.gov/emp/emptab7.htm Simply having a Bachelor's degree will earn you on average more than twice what a person without a high school diploma will earn.
Does this mean you can't reach for the stars without a formal education? No. But why would you handicap yourself? I have a great deal of sympathy for people who have to support a family because a parent has (or both parents have) died, and has no time for High School. But dropping out because of lack of interest is simply retarded.
You got to be freakin kidding me! A bunch of smart asses acting like dumb asses here! Try giving the guy some advice and if yall can't say something nice or helpful, don't bother posting a reply.
To the OP:
Don't start off with the complex stuff like C ++, try something a bit easier to learn and master like the "BASIC" programming language and the various different flavors of it. Make something simple like a text based game, may be stick in a few simple graphics. Start simple and master it, then progress to something more advanced like Visual Basic and so on.
There are some MMORPG toolkits out there if your not interested in programming, you'll need to google it. The gamemaker kits are still around, google that too if you want to start with something a bit more simple.
Hope this helps, and ignor the smart asses, we seem to have an abundance of them here sometimes.
Originally posted by opeth313x Ok, first of all I'm only 13 years old. I have no knowledge of how to program at all. I know that a lot of people want to make games, but usually don't get very far with it. My dad has a few books on programming, but hes never programmed games before (he doesn't like video games). I play a LOT of games and I really like being able to interact with other players.
I don't want to make this a career or anything, just something I could do in my spare time. I realize that this will take a LOT of time and work. This isn't something I plan to spend 3 hours a day on, maybe just 30 minutes to an hour a day. Before I make my own MMORPG, I want to learn how to make a game first. At first I will start with something simple, something that I don't have to spend more than a month on. My problem is, I don't know how to program.
If anyone has any knowledge of programming and has any advice of where I should start off, PLEASE reply! Thank you all!
There are various resources for creating free MMORPG. Check out the programmer forums for some stuff.
Ok. Now I will put on my professional computer scientist hat. For most normal stuff writing code that works is easy. Just about anyone can do it. Just like anyone can cook. Or anyone can plan a route to some place and drive there.
With that being said while writign code that works is easy, writing code that works quickly or is nice to reuse is not easy. It takes a alot of though and planning and experience to do it really well.
Now notice I said "normal" stuff. Alot the things the computers are used for are often a fairly straightforward set of operations. Get this, count to 1000, put something over there. That is normal stuff. There are some part of prgramming that are not easy and will be hard to understand without some real CS education. Things like concurrent programming and network issues.
Unfortunatly a lot of the hairier problems with CS are part of MMOs.
You might be able to use a toolset to create a generic MMO. But if you actually wanted to do significant programming of one you would need to have the equivalent of a very good Bachelor's degree or a Master's degree in Computer science level of knowledge.
So look for a good toolset/package and don't try to do it all yourself. Or even get some of the free MUD server software and start with that.
They are the extremely few who are the exception to the rule. The vast majority of people who drop out of high school will barely earn enough to live in today's society. This isn't a "theory". This is hard, cold evidence. Here's some information to help educate you: http://www.bls.gov/emp/emptab7.htm Simply having a Bachelor's degree will earn you on average more than twice what a person without a high school diploma will earn.
Does this mean you can't reach for the stars without a formal education? No. But why would you handicap yourself? I have a great deal of sympathy for people who have to support a family because a parent has (or both parents have) died, and has no time for High School. But dropping out because of lack of interest is simply retarded.
Ianubisi, conditions in Canada are actually quite different than in the USA. I don't know what the job market is like in the States, but around here you can really make an assload of money doing jobs that require minimal onsite training. North-western Canada is the new land of opportunity, companies around here are screaming for people both skilled and unskilled. Then again, I've been to many places around the world, including most every country in Europe and North Africa, and in every country I've gone too, I've seen people who have achieved great success with little to no formal education. It all boils down personal ingenuity, you can have degrees coming out your ying-yang, but if you don't have ingenuity, you're pretty much screwed. And believe me, I don't need you to educate me. I consider myself to be reasonably worldly person, real life and experience have given me all the education I need.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
Originally posted by Theodoryk And believe me, I don't need you to educate me. I consider myself to be reasonably worldly person, real life and experience have given me all the education I need.
Espousing the merits of dropping out of high school makes your claim here absolutely ridiculous.
Espousing the merits of dropping out of high school makes your claim here absolutely ridiculous.
I wasn't "espousing the merits of dropping out of high school", I was making an argument against the position that dropping out of high school dooms a person to failure. If you disagree with my position that dropping out of high school does not automatically make a person a failure, then that's something we can debate. Calling my position "ridiculous" because you can't come up with a valid counterargument is needlessly arrogant, and rather intellectually lazy.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
Originally posted by Munka You got to be freakin kidding me! A bunch of smart asses acting like dumb asses here! Try giving the guy some advice and if yall can't say something nice or helpful, don't bother posting a reply. To the OP: Don't start off with the complex stuff like C ++, try something a bit easier to learn and master like the "BASIC" programming language and the various different flavors of it. Make something simple like a text based game, may be stick in a few simple graphics. Start simple and master it, then progress to something more advanced like Visual Basic and so on. There are some MMORPG toolkits out there if your not interested in programming, you'll need to google it. The gamemaker kits are still around, google that too if you want to start with something a bit more simple. Hope this helps, and ignor the smart asses, we seem to have an abundance of them here sometimes.
If you want to learn some programming just download SharpDevelop and use VB.Net. Google some tutorials and you should get the hang of things pretty quick.
But concurrent stuff is algorithmically complex and very hard to get a handle on in your brain. There are many subtle errors to make. It would take years for a 13 year old with no experience to write concurrent code that wasn't a disaster. And your first few tries will be huge, unmaintainable balls of string that you will probably have no idea how they work a year later (unless you are a very meticulous person who comments everything.)
By all means jump right in. But from a practical standpoint. If you just want to design a trial MMO and see how it works go for the tool sets at the same time. And in the end, as a single person, you will be specializing anyway. Either more on the content generation end or on the code generation end. Its good to know both, but you will gravitate towards one or the other.
just give it up dude. there's no reason to even try to make games. like you see, these companies spend millions of millions of dollars to develop these games and half of them end up sh*t. you see, you will spend your life trying to learn how to do it, then your end product is going to suck. don't do it. just sit at home and drink beer and watch tv. trust me, that's all life is going to amount to anyway. Also cocks.
Originally posted by mozis Originally posted by ianubisi
Originally posted by mozis I'm 16, I suck at school (it's more lilke I just don't give a shit, but according to society today it means I'm dumb) and if it were 100% up to me I would probably drop out.
Yeah, dropping out of high school because you don't give a s*!+ is definitely dumb.
Are you this nice to everyone or am I just special?
I hate and hated school too and I don't have much regard for the school system either, but I still have a master's degree. That piece of paper is important.
Originally posted by Aelfinn if you are serious about it, finish school and go to college, depending on your skills, major in either business or computer graphics. After that, you will need a team, most makers of MMORPGs have between 30-100 people working on it. Either join an existing company and work your way up the ranks, or take a risk and start your own company. sorry kid, there really is not a way to do it as a hobby
No no, start while you still like the idea. Yes you won't be making EQ3 right now, but pursue your interests. Its only to your benefit. School is all well and fine and you need to do that, but doing this kidna thing is the real deal.
Originally posted by gestalt11 Originally posted by Aelfinn if you are serious about it, finish school and go to college, depending on your skills, major in either business or computer graphics. After that, you will need a team, most makers of MMORPGs have between 30-100 people working on it. Either join an existing company and work your way up the ranks, or take a risk and start your own company. sorry kid, there really is not a way to do it as a hobby
No no, start while you still like the idea. Yes you won't be making EQ3 right now, but pursue your interests. Its only to your benefit. School is all well and fine and you need to do that, but doing this kidna thing is the real deal.
read his post again, he doesnt have a clue where to start and doesnt have any of the required skills, and has no way to learn right now aside from a few programming books that certainly wont tell him nearly all he needs to know
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
droping out of school is the worst thing any one can imagine doing...
Bill Gates, Richard Branson, George Bernard Shaw, Henry Ford, Mark Twain, Ernest Hemmingway, Thomas Edison, Joseph Pulitzer, Agatha Christie, the list of people who dropped out and became highly successful in their lives goes on and on and on, disproving your bullshit theory.
when exacly did they drop out? i think further than highschool... highschool is a must so
whoa 9 people ( ok lets make it fair since you probably didnt want to put them all in the list)
1000 people in the whole world made it sucesscul by droping school!
thats 1000 in 6 billion
thats 1.66E-5% if you dropped school you dont understand that number...
for those who do not understand thats 0.0000166% of the current world population
Originally posted by Aelfinn Originally posted by gestalt11 Originally posted by Aelfinn if you are serious about it, finish school and go to college, depending on your skills, major in either business or computer graphics. After that, you will need a team, most makers of MMORPGs have between 30-100 people working on it. Either join an existing company and work your way up the ranks, or take a risk and start your own company. sorry kid, there really is not a way to do it as a hobby
No no, start while you still like the idea. Yes you won't be making EQ3 right now, but pursue your interests. Its only to your benefit. School is all well and fine and you need to do that, but doing this kidna thing is the real deal.
read his post again, he doesnt have a clue where to start and doesnt have any of the required skills, and has no way to learn right now aside from a few programming books that certainly wont tell him nearly all he needs to know
So what? Then he fails. And in a couple of years he may cherish that failure for success it becomes. Or he may even succeed.
There is no downside to persuing knowledge and tryign to work on something you like. And with some of the toolsets its is not unrealistic that a smart 13 year old could do something worthwhile. Maybe not something people will play, but certainly something worthwhile.
I knew 16 year olds in my high school who had IT consulting businesses. Yeah sure it was the #1 high school in the US but still.
Success or failure its a good thing to strive for.
when exacly did they drop out? i think further than highschool... highschool is a must so
whoa 9 people ( ok lets make it fair since you probably didnt want to put them all in the list)
1000 people in the whole world made it sucesscul by droping school!
thats 1000 in 6 billion
thats 1.66E-5% if you dropped school you dont understand that number...
for those who do not understand thats 0.0000166% of the current world population
you go drop school and beat those odds
I personaly have several friends who didn't finish high school, but are today highly successful business people. As to the rest of my friends, none of them actually obtained a university or college degree. They all make 100k + a year, American. One of note is currently the CEO of the largest styrophome manufactury in Eastern Europe, and broke his one million mark when he was 28 years old. Another is nearing that point, she's a wine consultant. I personaly came back to Canada and got a mediocre job to get a useless university degree in the arts, for the shear pleasure of learning. It has been said....that one learns to be successful by surrounding himself with successful people. Its a statement which I hold dear. Yes, success in life is built upon personal talent and ingenuity, whether you have a formal education or not.
By the way....good work on disregarding the rest of my post. In the future, if you want to challenge something I have said, please challenge the position as a whole, rather than arguing against snipets of the position taken out of context.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign." -baff
when exacly did they drop out? i think further than highschool... highschool is a must so
whoa 9 people ( ok lets make it fair since you probably didnt want to put them all in the list) 1000 people in the whole world made it sucesscul by droping school! thats 1000 in 6 billion thats 1.66E-5% if you dropped school you dont understand that number... for those who do not understand thats 0.0000166% of the current world population you go drop school and beat those odds
I personaly have several friends who didn't finish high school, but are today highly successful business people. As to the rest of my friends, none of them actually obtained a university or college degree. They all make 100k + a year, American. One of note is currently the CEO of the largest styrophome manufactury in Eastern Europe, and broke his one million mark when he was 28 years old. Another is nearing that point, she's a wine consultant. I personaly came back to Canada and got a mediocre job to get a useless university degree in the arts, for the shear pleasure of learning. It has been said....that one learns to be successful by surrounding himself with successful people. Its a statement which I hold dear. Yes, success in life is built upon personal talent and ingenuity, whether you have a formal education or not.
By the way....good work on disregarding the rest of my post. In the future, if you want to challenge something I have said, please challenge the position as a whole, rather than arguing against snipets of the position taken out of context.
My grandfather stopped school at 5th grade, I believe, he started his first business during the great depression and evenutally became a millionaire by the 50's. He would certainly have understood that number that was used above. But he would still tell his kids and grandkids to get a degree.
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It's a fun way to learn how to script, and can yield pretty good results
The NWN editor is quite brilliant, but it's difficult to get that persistant world feeling.
I'll tell you what, I wish I started programming at 13.
and I'd strongly advise going down that path in college if you are going to want to do these types of games that are coming out now and the future.
There are some "ok" schools that you can go to out of highschool.
One that copmes to mind is
Fullsail
Other than that, there are some free online tutorials that can be googled.
Call me
in 8 years
as for you
(i am a 3d animator) studying at ubisoft campus to orient myself to gaming. (20 years old)
there aer many ways to create games. scripters (boring tedious programming) then you have 3d modelists animators level creators texture designers game developpers
and yes there is even a lore keeper.
so your best way to start at 13 years old is to stay in school and finish highschool (everything they teach there is usefull for gaming (yes including history, think where the mideval games got their info....)
while you are in school start small with RPG maker or neverwinternights tool set both good for game developing story line and level designing or even the warcraft3 tool set as well for level design.
as you progress in highschool learn some basics of scriping and compiling (C++) and mod out your never winter night modules.
then at the end of highschool look for stuff related to animation.
good job on looking for the info and filter out all the dont follow your dream posts (those people are jealous that you have interest at such young age)
P.S. you can make a small MMO style with the neverwinter night modules (64 ppl persistant world) and make sure you reseach on how to make a good server (T1-T3) that might be your only limitation is to host them cuz it is not cheap.
anyway good luck with that and hope for the best
Yeah, dropping out of high school because you don't give a s*!+ is definitely dumb.
droping out of school is the worst thing any one can imagine doing... my friend droped out hes working in a cardboard factory making 30k per year and that the best he will get for the rest of his life
gaming industry you start at 50-60 within 2 years you make 70-80k
university professor 100k per year and every 5 years they get to take a year off with full salary so thats 100k in his pockets to sit in front of the tv all day if they wish... (most of them are crackheads who would rather spend all 365 days trying to solve this 1 math problem)
could someone get a job in a company that makes games
just to provide ideas? :P eg: make an rpg with dwarves and elves and mage and warrior will be the classes.. "these" will be their spells, and thats how the game will go on.. and basicaly u just tell that to the programmer/graphic designer or wutever and thats ur job ^^
ps: u dont have to answer -.-' mehmeh ^_^
Yeah, dropping out of high school because you don't give a s*!+ is definitely dumb.
Are you this nice to everyone or am I just special?
(\__/) Why Can't You Put
( ^.^) The Bunneh
(")-(") Back In The Box?
yo dood, not to be mean but i agree with every one else that says that u shouldn't make one......
but (here comes the suggestion!!!!=) if u want to make a simple RPG and withe total eze, and spend little time on it try '' rpg maker Xp'' the only down part is that if u dont go windoes XP it dont work....
so fore your sake i hope you do..........
good luck on your '' creation'' bb
if you are serious about it, finish school and go to college, depending on your skills, major in either business or computer graphics. After that, you will need a team, most makers of MMORPGs have between 30-100 people working on it. Either join an existing company and work your way up the ranks, or take a risk and start your own company.
sorry kid, there really is not a way to do it as a hobby
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Sorry to disappoint you.
Bill Gates, Richard Branson, George Bernard Shaw, Henry Ford, Mark Twain, Ernest Hemmingway, Thomas Edison, Joseph Pulitzer, Agatha Christie, the list of people who dropped out and became highly successful in their lives goes on and on and on, disproving your bullshit theory.
Did your Student Advisor tell you that? Your friend will probably work in a cardboard plant for a couple of years, get board of it, and start wondering what the hell he wants to do for the rest of his life. Then he might make the decision to get on a plane with a thousand other newfies and Quebecers in his position, and move to northern Alberta under contract, where he'll probably get payed around 60k a year for unskilled labour. Maybe after that he'll get a little ambitious, take corporate funded tradesman's courses while working, and end up making 100k a year as a semi-skilled tradesperson. Or maybe he'll do something completely different, like teach English overseas, or (gasp) set up his own business. Sorry to break this to you, but your college education you so cherish might make you more educated than your friend, but it most certainly doesn't give you a better chance to succeed.
You forgot to mention how saturated the market currently is with people who have this exact same idea, many if not most of them will end up working in that cardboard plant when your buddy and people like him move on to greener pastures.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
They are the extremely few who are the exception to the rule. The vast majority of people who drop out of high school will barely earn enough to live in today's society. This isn't a "theory". This is hard, cold evidence. Here's some information to help educate you: http://www.bls.gov/emp/emptab7.htm Simply having a Bachelor's degree will earn you on average more than twice what a person without a high school diploma will earn.
Does this mean you can't reach for the stars without a formal education? No. But why would you handicap yourself? I have a great deal of sympathy for people who have to support a family because a parent has (or both parents have) died, and has no time for High School. But dropping out because of lack of interest is simply retarded.
You got to be freakin kidding me! A bunch of smart asses acting like dumb asses here! Try giving the guy some advice and if yall can't say something nice or helpful, don't bother posting a reply.
To the OP:
Don't start off with the complex stuff like C ++, try something a bit easier to learn and master like the "BASIC" programming language and the various different flavors of it. Make something simple like a text based game, may be stick in a few simple graphics. Start simple and master it, then progress to something more advanced like Visual Basic and so on.
There are some MMORPG toolkits out there if your not interested in programming, you'll need to google it. The gamemaker kits are still around, google that too if you want to start with something a bit more simple.
Hope this helps, and ignor the smart asses, we seem to have an abundance of them here sometimes.
Ok. Now I will put on my professional computer scientist hat. For most normal stuff writing code that works is easy. Just about anyone can do it. Just like anyone can cook. Or anyone can plan a route to some place and drive there.
With that being said while writign code that works is easy, writing code that works quickly or is nice to reuse is not easy. It takes a alot of though and planning and experience to do it really well.
Now notice I said "normal" stuff. Alot the things the computers are used for are often a fairly straightforward set of operations. Get this, count to 1000, put something over there. That is normal stuff. There are some part of prgramming that are not easy and will be hard to understand without some real CS education. Things like concurrent programming and network issues.
Unfortunatly a lot of the hairier problems with CS are part of MMOs.
You might be able to use a toolset to create a generic MMO. But if you actually wanted to do significant programming of one you would need to have the equivalent of a very good Bachelor's degree or a Master's degree in Computer science level of knowledge.
So look for a good toolset/package and don't try to do it all yourself. Or even get some of the free MUD server software and start with that.
Ianubisi, conditions in Canada are actually quite different than in the USA. I don't know what the job market is like in the States, but around here you can really make an assload of money doing jobs that require minimal onsite training. North-western Canada is the new land of opportunity, companies around here are screaming for people both skilled and unskilled. Then again, I've been to many places around the world, including most every country in Europe and North Africa, and in every country I've gone too, I've seen people who have achieved great success with little to no formal education. It all boils down personal ingenuity, you can have degrees coming out your ying-yang, but if you don't have ingenuity, you're pretty much screwed. And believe me, I don't need you to educate me. I consider myself to be reasonably worldly person, real life and experience have given me all the education I need.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
Espousing the merits of dropping out of high school makes your claim here absolutely ridiculous.
I wasn't "espousing the merits of dropping out of high school", I was making an argument against the position that dropping out of high school dooms a person to failure. If you disagree with my position that dropping out of high school does not automatically make a person a failure, then that's something we can debate. Calling my position "ridiculous" because you can't come up with a valid counterargument is needlessly arrogant, and rather intellectually lazy.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
But concurrent stuff is algorithmically complex and very hard to get a handle on in your brain. There are many subtle errors to make. It would take years for a 13 year old with no experience to write concurrent code that wasn't a disaster. And your first few tries will be huge, unmaintainable balls of string that you will probably have no idea how they work a year later (unless you are a very meticulous person who comments everything.)
By all means jump right in. But from a practical standpoint. If you just want to design a trial MMO and see how it works go for the tool sets at the same time. And in the end, as a single person, you will be specializing anyway. Either more on the content generation end or on the code generation end. Its good to know both, but you will gravitate towards one or the other.
now have a great day
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Yeah, dropping out of high school because you don't give a s*!+ is definitely dumb.
Are you this nice to everyone or am I just special?
I hate and hated school too and I don't have much regard for the school system either, but I still have a master's degree. That piece of paper is important.
I slept though as much of high school as I could.
read his post again, he doesnt have a clue where to start and doesnt have any of the required skills, and has no way to learn right now aside from a few programming books that certainly wont tell him nearly all he needs to know
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Bill Gates, Richard Branson, George Bernard Shaw, Henry Ford, Mark Twain, Ernest Hemmingway, Thomas Edison, Joseph Pulitzer, Agatha Christie, the list of people who dropped out and became highly successful in their lives goes on and on and on, disproving your bullshit theory.
when exacly did they drop out? i think further than highschool... highschool is a must so
whoa 9 people ( ok lets make it fair since you probably didnt want to put them all in the list)
1000 people in the whole world made it sucesscul by droping school!
thats 1000 in 6 billion
thats 1.66E-5% if you dropped school you dont understand that number...
for those who do not understand thats 0.0000166% of the current world population
you go drop school and beat those odds
read his post again, he doesnt have a clue where to start and doesnt have any of the required skills, and has no way to learn right now aside from a few programming books that certainly wont tell him nearly all he needs to know
So what? Then he fails. And in a couple of years he may cherish that failure for success it becomes. Or he may even succeed.
There is no downside to persuing knowledge and tryign to work on something you like. And with some of the toolsets its is not unrealistic that a smart 13 year old could do something worthwhile. Maybe not something people will play, but certainly something worthwhile.
I knew 16 year olds in my high school who had IT consulting businesses. Yeah sure it was the #1 high school in the US but still.
Success or failure its a good thing to strive for.
I personaly have several friends who didn't finish high school, but are today highly successful business people. As to the rest of my friends, none of them actually obtained a university or college degree. They all make 100k + a year, American. One of note is currently the CEO of the largest styrophome manufactury in Eastern Europe, and broke his one million mark when he was 28 years old. Another is nearing that point, she's a wine consultant. I personaly came back to Canada and got a mediocre job to get a useless university degree in the arts, for the shear pleasure of learning. It has been said....that one learns to be successful by surrounding himself with successful people. Its a statement which I hold dear. Yes, success in life is built upon personal talent and ingenuity, whether you have a formal education or not.
By the way....good work on disregarding the rest of my post. In the future, if you want to challenge something I have said, please challenge the position as a whole, rather than arguing against snipets of the position taken out of context.
"Speaking haygywaygy or some other gibberish with your mum doesn't make you foreign."
-baff
I personaly have several friends who didn't finish high school, but are today highly successful business people. As to the rest of my friends, none of them actually obtained a university or college degree. They all make 100k + a year, American. One of note is currently the CEO of the largest styrophome manufactury in Eastern Europe, and broke his one million mark when he was 28 years old. Another is nearing that point, she's a wine consultant. I personaly came back to Canada and got a mediocre job to get a useless university degree in the arts, for the shear pleasure of learning. It has been said....that one learns to be successful by surrounding himself with successful people. Its a statement which I hold dear. Yes, success in life is built upon personal talent and ingenuity, whether you have a formal education or not.
By the way....good work on disregarding the rest of my post. In the future, if you want to challenge something I have said, please challenge the position as a whole, rather than arguing against snipets of the position taken out of context.
My grandfather stopped school at 5th grade, I believe, he started his first business during the great depression and evenutally became a millionaire by the 50's. He would certainly have understood that number that was used above. But he would still tell his kids and grandkids to get a degree.