I just find myself bored with the game is all. I get a been there done that feeling every time I log on. I have enough phat loot and enough level 60 avatars already, I am tired of rerolling to kill the time till the expansion. I find PVP to lack any real benefits or risk/rewards. I dont find the game compelling anymore , at least not till the Expansion. And. thats just my opinion. There is no question that it is a great game, its just that my passion for it has diminished is all. I want something new. 1.11 is promising with the Sourge invasion and all and I fired up WOW for the first time in a long while. After running around hunting the crystals down and fighting mobs I got the same feeling. Just bored of it...it felt like the plaguelands received a teleport to the whole world. Also, by the time I got to any of the Skirmishes the battle would be pretty much over cause EVERYBODY and their Mom was looking to do the same thing as me, cause they too are bored out of their skull. I think Blizzard has been too busy counting their money to actually play their cards right and keep the momentum going forward. The Expansion is about a year late in my opinion, as I remember being this bored about a year ago and I kept renewing cause I thought the expansion was coming , the expansion was coming. Now I dont even know if I will still be around for it. I am thinking, been there , done that, Conan looks cool, As does Pirates of the Burning Sea. And Hell Hero Online even looks good, and sounds like it will be free, that would be a welcome change. Free...mmmm
I am just wondering, what suggestions would you give Blizzard to alliveate your boredom? What would you want them to do that would re-fire up your intrest?
Originally posted by Mikes123 Originally posted by CaptainRPG
Also this says a lot about who is the majority that makes up MMORPG population. People always argued that causal players ruled the market, which was untrue. Just recently Guild Wars got over 2 million players...but it took them a whole year just to get up to 2 million players when it WoW just 4 months to get that. This says a lot because if causal players were the majority, it wouldn't taken GW a whole year just to 2 million players.
WoW was marketed as a casual game and WoW from lvl 1-60 is the definition of a casual game dear "Captain". However WoWs "player retention rate" is barely around 2 months, wich would be a strong indicator that the game is fun at first during the casual part.... but not later. So nope, i don t think the "majority" of WoW s gamers are hardcore... and numbers from official sources indicate the majority of WoW players hasvnt even done a single raid yet.
it s the shift, the 180 degree turn that WoW took after release, from a casual friendly game to a "EQish" raidgame with tiered gear progression that dominates all other playstyles that pisses people off.
And WoW is drawing a lot of flak from other sources than just this site too. Just go over to gamasutra and check out the article about the "WoW honor system". And i remember several gaming (gaming yes, not news) magazines featuring WoW as the prime game when talking about the problems of unhealthy gaming addictions.
i guess this argument won t get resolved until the press / review sites will have another go at it, wich would be when the new expansion gets released... i m looking forward to that, really, i m curious how the raid centric montrosity that WoW is currently will "evolve" trough the expansion. and i m curious how the raid centric approach, unbalanced gearbased PvP and reputation grinds will be received by reviewers in a few months ........ during the first review as WoW got all the good scores it was all based on the 1-60 game after all. Not on running MC, then BWL, then AQ40 2 dozen times each to be able to compete in PvP heh.
Again, Mike quite with the level 60 assumption. Causal players will play in any level cap setting and level 60 is not what casual player expect for a level cap. Christ do you know anything? Causal players like to start off where they left off and they like any system that allows to be even with hardcore players.
WoW has always been for the hardcore players, despite their false advertising towards causal players. It's just that now it catering more and more to them and it's getting harder and harder for causal players to keep up. That's why the game has so much content and is getting regular updates to it's endgame content. If it for causal players then causal players would have easier gaining access to endgame items, they would get more dungeons to run around pre-endgame and the game would be more soloable with each update.
And stop saying people leave after they reach level 60. Do you have proof? Plenty of people have stayed on for almost a year or two after the game started. If the player left as fast as you exaggrated then game population would come to a screeching halt. It doesn't take a genius to know that hardcore players make up the majority because of the constant updates to the endgame content. You think Blizzard would update their endgame content if nobody played after reaching 60? The longevity of player in WoW is now 6 months to a 1 year with average of 4 hours gameplay a day.
The argument is resolved you just want to exaggrate and making it seem like player leave the game after they reach the level cap. Like GW, there life after you reach endgame in WoW. Maybe if you had you played longer, you would have realized that.
Again, Mike quite with the level 60 assumption. Causal players will play in any level cap setting and level 60 is not what casual player expect for a level cap. Christ do you know anything? Causal players like to start off where they left off and they like any system that allows to be even with hardcore players.
WoW has always been for the hardcore players, despite their false advertising towards causal players. It's just that now it catering more and more to them and it's getting harder and harder for causal players to keep up. That's why the game has so much content and is getting regular updates to it's endgame content. If it for causal players then causal players would have easier gaining access to endgame items, they would get more dungeons to run around pre-endgame and the game would be more soloable with each update.
And stop saying people leave after they reach level 60. Do you have proof? Plenty of people have stayed on for almost a year or two after the game started. If the player left as fast as you exaggrated then game population would come to a screeching halt. It doesn't take a genius to know that hardcore players make up the majority because of the constant updates to the endgame content. You think Blizzard would update their endgame content if nobody played after reaching 60? The longevity of player in WoW is now 6 months to a 1 year with average of 4 hours gameplay a day.
The argument is resolved you just want to exaggrate and making it seem like player leave the game after they reach the level cap. Like GW, there life after you reach endgame in WoW. Maybe if you had you played longer, you would have realized that.
Capt. Dear Capt. i have played EQ for 5 years and WoW for one year. Let me tell you , WoW from 1-60 is radically different than EQ was, and that s what i expected it to be based on all the marketing and all the hype. However once you reach 60 the game does change dramatically. No longer is it possible to do meaningful and fun things even when you only have a little amount of time. Battlegrounds could have filled that niche, but the queues ruin it for short gaming sessions and the pvp balance for non raiders is pretty much an insider joke with all the new raider gear released.
Now if you look at the new "content" you will see a recurring pattern. 1 new raid dungeon that requires excessive resist gear grinds over and over, so you can go to the next raid dungeon that requires yet another resist gear/gear grind over and over for months, so you can get to NAXX finally where yet another gear grind awaits. That s pretty much the opposite to the layed back casual gamestyle that WoW supported and allowed all the way from lvl 1-60.
Maybe you personally don t see it, maybe you re happy with raiding, if so, good for you! enjoy the game!. All i am saying is that i personally totally understand if someone who came to WoW as a casual gamer based on all the hype (we won t be like EQ!) will be severly disappointed once they reach 60. i know i was. A few Molten Core runs and it became pretty clear that this was going to be Everquests spiritual successor endgame wise - No thanks for me! lol~
And i totally understand if other people who expected a casual gaming experience like i did, would be just as disappointed once they do reach the "new and improved raiding game at lvl 60". The sinking ratings on this and other pages, and the low average retention rate of just 2 months, would be an indicator that it s quite a few people that think this way also.
And no we won t know for certain as long as one does a statistical survey on WoW gamers habits , but the indicators are there. "Blaming" other games for sinking ratings is imho quite shortsighted when these other games, namely Eve and Guildwars, were already there when WoW was still in the top 10. The competition didn t suddenly increase or dramatically change. However WoW s philiosophy went trough a 180° degree turn from casual based (look up kaplan quotes from prerelease and today, it s quite evident) to "raid or die". Thats very strong anectotical evidence, that the drop in ratings is indeed attributable to a change in WoWs direction and philosophy, and not to competition wich has remained relatively stable over the last year.
But to each their own, as a Raider i wouldn t be worried, in theory you only need 40 other people on your server to do raidinstances so who cares if all casuals leave. As a casual gamer i wouldn t worry either,... just realize that this game went down the EQ path of perpetual grind to überness and go play something else. Disappointing, true, but i guess at this point it won t change anymore, so why bother.
Again, Mike, please get over yourself. YOUR hatred and YOUR reasons don't reflect what everyone else thinks. Quite acting like a spoiled child because everything doesn't go the way you want. Again go to the WoW forums yourself and read their posts.
BTW, I've made it to level 60 and the game did't become meaningless. Just because the game lost value to you doesn't it will lose value to everyone else. Quite trying enforce your views on everyone by insulting their actions.
Originally posted by CaptainRPG Again, Mike, please get over yourself. YOUR hatred and YOUR reasons don't reflect what everyone else thinks. Quite acting like a spoiled child because everything doesn't go the way you want. Again go to the WoW forums yourself and read their posts.
Dear Dear Capt. no reason to get rude.
What i did is give one possible explanation why WoWs ratings are sinking. and no matter how you look at it, Blizzard did perform a "Bait and Switch" on casual gamers after release.
It seems plausible to me that "bait and switch" leads to unhappy gamers, the sinking ratings would support the theory.
and at least it seems more plausible to me than "evil players of other games ruining WoWs ratings just recently, but not before"...
That is my opinion, my experience with WoW was disappointing, and i would understand why other people would be disappointed by it, wich would in turn be an explanation for the sinking ratings. Feel free to disagree, but cut out the rude language.
i m not "telling you what to think", please return the favor however if you enjoy the game, good for you! i don t enjoy it, don t tell me i "have to".
and for clarification: if Blizzard had been up front about their game and said "it will be a raid game in the end", that would have been fine, no problem there!. Everyone would have known and be able to choose wether to buy the game or not based on reliable information. The "issue" i personally have with them is that they first say "PvP will play a large role in our game and casual gamers will get similar stats, only raiders weapons might "burst into flame"", ... then turn around and say the exact opposite 6 months, raiding being the only means to progress..... argue what you want. that behavior is just very bad form and naturally leads to disappointment.
Originally posted by Mikes123 Originally posted by CaptainRPG Again, Mike, please get over yourself. YOUR hatred and YOUR reasons don't reflect what everyone else thinks. Quite acting like a spoiled child because everything doesn't go the way you want. Again go to the WoW forums yourself and read their posts.
Dear Dear Capt. no reason to get rude.
What i did is give one possible explanation why WoWs ratings are sinking. and no matter how you look at it, Blizzard did perform a "Bait and Switch" on casual gamers after release.
It seems plausible to me that "bait and switch" leads to unhappy gamers, the sinking ratings would support the theory.
and at least it seems more plausible to me than "evil players of other games ruining WoWs ratings just recently, but not before"...
That is my opinion, my experience with WoW was disappointing, and i would understand why other people would be disappointed by it, wich would in turn be an explanation for the sinking ratings. Feel free to disagree, but cut out the rude language.
i m not "telling you what to think", please return the favor however if you enjoy the game, good for you! i don t enjoy it, don t tell me i "have to".
Dude quite telling people your lies. I already knew you weren't going to check the forums because you know what I say is the truth. Mike, your nothing than a hatred who pretends to like this game. Your only feeding people dumb enough to listen to you, your BS. The reasons the ratings are dropping are obvious beyond your comprehension, but doesn't mean you go around spreading lies and get people rallied up to follow you.
Even in the future as WoW continues to get a bigger population and low rating in MMORPG.com your argument will continue to be based on the fact that everyone hates the game after level 60.
You are quite mistaken Captain. not "pretending" anything.
i did like the game (past tense)
however i do not like it anymore, due to Blizzards decision to radically change the direction of the game. A direction that directly conflicts with their earlier promises and marketing.
(for clarification: if Blizzard offered "no raid" servers, i propably would still be playing. PvP for example was majorly fun, before raiding got out of hand)
that s all, not too hard to understand isn t it? and it s not an uncommon sentiment if we are actually reading the same forums.
as for speculations about the futue of WoW. that is completely open. Arguing about the "future" in general is usually quite tiresome due to the future being an unknown to most (sane) people. WoW could be dead next year, or in 10 years, ultimately that will depend on Blizzards future conduct, wich seems to be an unpredictable variable.
You are quite mistaken Captain. not "pretending" anything.
i did like the game (past tense)
Okay good, but remember your opinion means as much as the next person's.
however i do not like it anymore, due to Blizzards decision to radically change the direction of the game.
You're the only person here who didn't see that the Blizzard was catering the game to hardcore players from the get go. Players were saying it since launch, yet you are the only naive person here who didn't know they were going in this direction. ROFL!
A direction that directly conflicts with their earlier promises and marketing.
Cry more please.
(for clarification: if Blizzard offered "no raid" servers, i propably would still be playing. PvP for example was majorly fun, before raiding got out of hand)
ROFL! As if you were important.
that s all, not too hard to understand isn t it? and it s not an uncommon sentiment if we are actually reading the same forums.
as for speculations about the futue of WoW. that is completely open. Arguing about the "future" in general is usually quite tiresome due to the future being an unknown to most (sane) people. WoW could be dead next year, or in 10 years, ultimately that will depend on Blizzards future conduct, wich seems to be an unpredictable variable.
ROFL! I enjoyed your cryin. Feel free to post more.
Originally posted by SonofSethYes, and food is to eat, ball is round and purple is color, good boy....
And even the smallest hint or trace of discussion that was still present in the thread is now officially dead, if it wasn t before. well done. want a cookie?
P.S. this thread, might shed some light about how the average player thinks about raiding in general: http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/827244#827244 , enjoy ~ feel free to vote, and lets see where it is headed.
YEa blizzard does deserve cred but it took a bunch of nice ideas from games...and well amde one then some nice ideas and made it...but the u know evening out of each section is terrible...grinding...pve ok...pvp EWWW...its got some possiblty but with the time its been out ...i dont think WOW has much a chance anymore its pretty boring after lvl 60 plp are kinda realzing it doesnt suck...but its realy screwed up and untuned...and the one mmorpg to beat this...................BEER
Players who love grind would love WoW Players who love simple combat mechanic would love WoW Players who are less tatical/strategical adoptitive would love WoW WoW are nothing but an eye-candles.
Originally posted by parrotpholk The reason it fell out of the top games is because after 2 yrs almost with no major expansion and there is only so many times you can do the same quest over and over with other alts. Its a boredom and content issue. Yeah if your casual and play just enough to drag it out it would have a 10 score. There was a time I enjoyed it very much but that time has passed. Plus the depth is just not there. Blizz did a great job but after awhile the holes are easily seen and thats why it has fallen. Just my opinion
Originally posted by spirus7 I wonder why? After many…many…many months you had WoW second behind EVE (lol) and sometimes third behind Guild Wars..(lolx2) and now all the sudden WoW disappeared. Well you can hate WoW all you want but its still the most complete (Not Percfect) game in the mmorpg market out there .So the least you can do is to give Blizz a credit for it.
Um, no, it is not the most complete MMORPG out there, not even close. It's one of the most basic MMORPG.
I agree with the poster above. If you want a simplistic, childish game then WoW is defineately your cup of tea. However, if you're looking for a game with depth and more than just repetitive dungeon delving to keep up with the Jone's then I'd look elsewere. Furthermore, what small scraps of fun in this game is being torn to shreds by Blizzard's attempt to appease everyone. I suggest Blizzard keep the forumula that made this game successful and stop screwing with it.
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I am just wondering, what suggestions would you give Blizzard to alliveate your boredom? What would you want them to do that would re-fire up your intrest?
Again, Mike quite with the level 60 assumption. Causal players will play in any level cap setting and level 60 is not what casual player expect for a level cap. Christ do you know anything? Causal players like to start off where they left off and they like any system that allows to be even with hardcore players.
WoW has always been for the hardcore players, despite their false advertising towards causal players. It's just that now it catering more and more to them and it's getting harder and harder for causal players to keep up. That's why the game has so much content and is getting regular updates to it's endgame content. If it for causal players then causal players would have easier gaining access to endgame items, they would get more dungeons to run around pre-endgame and the game would be more soloable with each update.
And stop saying people leave after they reach level 60. Do you have proof? Plenty of people have stayed on for almost a year or two after the game started. If the player left as fast as you exaggrated then game population would come to a screeching halt. It doesn't take a genius to know that hardcore players make up the majority because of the constant updates to the endgame content. You think Blizzard would update their endgame content if nobody played after reaching 60? The longevity of player in WoW is now 6 months to a 1 year with average of 4 hours gameplay a day.
The argument is resolved you just want to exaggrate and making it seem like player leave the game after they reach the level cap. Like GW, there life after you reach endgame in WoW. Maybe if you had you played longer, you would have realized that.
Capt. Dear Capt. i have played EQ for 5 years and WoW for one year. Let me tell you , WoW from 1-60 is radically different than EQ was, and that s what i expected it to be based on all the marketing and all the hype. However once you reach 60 the game does change dramatically. No longer is it possible to do meaningful and fun things even when you only have a little amount of time. Battlegrounds could have filled that niche, but the queues ruin it for short gaming sessions and the pvp balance for non raiders is pretty much an insider joke with all the new raider gear released.
Now if you look at the new "content" you will see a recurring pattern. 1 new raid dungeon that requires excessive resist gear grinds over and over, so you can go to the next raid dungeon that requires yet another resist gear/gear grind over and over for months, so you can get to NAXX finally where yet another gear grind awaits. That s pretty much the opposite to the layed back casual gamestyle that WoW supported and allowed all the way from lvl 1-60.
Maybe you personally don t see it, maybe you re happy with raiding, if so, good for you! enjoy the game!. All i am saying is that i personally totally understand if someone who came to WoW as a casual gamer based on all the hype (we won t be like EQ!) will be severly disappointed once they reach 60. i know i was. A few Molten Core runs and it became pretty clear that this was going to be Everquests spiritual successor endgame wise - No thanks for me! lol~
And i totally understand if other people who expected a casual gaming experience like i did, would be just as disappointed once they do reach the "new and improved raiding game at lvl 60". The sinking ratings on this and other pages, and the low average retention rate of just 2 months, would be an indicator that it s quite a few people that think this way also.
And no we won t know for certain as long as one does a statistical survey on WoW gamers habits
But to each their own, as a Raider i wouldn t be worried, in theory you only need 40 other people on your server to do raidinstances so who cares if all casuals leave. As a casual gamer i wouldn t worry either,... just realize that this game went down the EQ path of perpetual grind to überness and go play something else. Disappointing, true, but i guess at this point it won t change anymore, so why bother.
what everyone else thinks. Quite acting like a spoiled child because
everything doesn't go the way you want. Again go to the WoW forums yourself
and read their posts.
BTW,
I've made it to level 60 and the game did't become meaningless. Just
because the game lost value to you doesn't it will lose value to
everyone else. Quite trying enforce your views on everyone by insulting their actions.
What i did is give one possible explanation why WoWs ratings are sinking.
and no matter how you look at it, Blizzard did perform a "Bait and Switch" on casual gamers after release.
It seems plausible to me that "bait and switch" leads to unhappy gamers, the sinking ratings would support the theory.
and at least it seems more plausible to me than "evil players of other games ruining WoWs ratings just recently, but not before"...
That is my opinion, my experience with WoW was disappointing, and i would understand why other people would be disappointed by it, wich would in turn be an explanation for the sinking ratings. Feel free to disagree, but cut out the rude language.
i m not "telling you what to think", please return the favor however
if you enjoy the game, good for you! i don t enjoy it, don t tell me i "have to".
and for clarification: if Blizzard had been up front about their game and said "it will be a raid game in the end", that would have been fine, no problem there!. Everyone would have known and be able to choose wether to buy the game or not based on reliable information.
The "issue" i personally have with them is that they first say "PvP will play a large role in our game and casual gamers will get similar stats, only raiders weapons might "burst into flame"", ... then turn around and say the exact opposite 6 months, raiding being the only means to progress..... argue what you want. that behavior is just very bad form and naturally leads to disappointment.
What i did is give one possible explanation why WoWs ratings are sinking.
and no matter how you look at it, Blizzard did perform a "Bait and Switch" on casual gamers after release.
It seems plausible to me that "bait and switch" leads to unhappy gamers, the sinking ratings would support the theory.
and at least it seems more plausible to me than "evil players of other games ruining WoWs ratings just recently, but not before"...
That is my opinion, my experience with WoW was disappointing, and i would understand why other people would be disappointed by it, wich would in turn be an explanation for the sinking ratings. Feel free to disagree, but cut out the rude language.
i m not "telling you what to think", please return the favor however
if you enjoy the game, good for you! i don t enjoy it, don t tell me i "have to".
Dude quite telling people your lies. I already knew you weren't going to check the forums because you know what I say is the truth. Mike, your nothing than a hatred who pretends to like this game. Your only feeding people dumb enough to listen to you, your BS. The reasons the ratings are dropping are obvious beyond your comprehension, but doesn't mean you go around spreading lies and get people rallied up to follow you.
Even in the future as WoW continues to get a bigger population and low rating in MMORPG.com your argument will continue to be based on the fact that everyone hates the game after level 60.
You are quite mistaken Captain. not "pretending" anything.
i did like the game (past tense)
however i do not like it anymore, due to Blizzards decision to radically change the direction of the game.
A direction that directly conflicts with their earlier promises and marketing.
(for clarification: if Blizzard offered "no raid" servers, i propably would still be playing. PvP for example was majorly fun, before raiding got out of hand)
that s all, not too hard to understand isn t it? and it s not an uncommon sentiment if we are actually reading the same forums.
as for speculations about the futue of WoW. that is completely open. Arguing about the "future" in general is usually quite tiresome due to the future being an unknown to most (sane) people.
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You would do well to remember that yourself oh Captain my Captain.
That s all that still needed saying i think.
P.S. the rating on this site consists of the averaged out opinions of the sites visitors.
ROFL!
And even the smallest hint or trace of discussion that was still present in the thread is now officially dead, if it wasn t before. well done. want a cookie?
P.S. this thread, might shed some light about how the average player thinks about raiding in general:
http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/827244#827244 , enjoy ~ feel free to vote, and lets see where it is headed.
Yes please!
Guild Wars Player:
A/Mo Sephis Shadowfang lvl 20
WoW player:
Sephis - Ravenholdt Server
Players who love simple combat mechanic would love WoW
Players who are less tatical/strategical adoptitive would love WoW
WoW are nothing but an eye-candles.
maybe because the life after 60 is totally boring .
I personally gave it a high rating when it came out and i think many did too since it was ranked as number 1 or 2 for a time.
After hitting 60 and doing the boring boring raids(if it must be a raid game learnt from EQ what makes raid fun) i came back and lowered my ratings
-Dev
And to answer the original question, WoW is out of the top games list because people realised it never deserved to be there.