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The Devs that were there from the start had the passwords. Joker changed it. Where does it say that only Joker has the password? *sigh*
If you don't have anything constructive to add, please, leave this thread be. Thank you.
Again, read fully what they wrote before responding:
"The original donations paypal email was setup by Joker, using his information because all of the rest of us had our accounts tied up already and we couldnt.
When Joker left the team, he gave us the password to the paypal account and all the information we needed to run it. Unfortunately, we could not access the money in it because there was no bank account or credit card assigned anymore, and we had no means to add one because like I said already, we were already using them in our own personal accounts. "
So again, the Devs had no accounting for donations or how it was going until AFTER Joker left. And if he left and stole all the money why give them the account password? Eh, yeah ok that makes sense.
"As of last night, we were going to try and setup an account, and low and behold, we could not access the paypal account anymore. The password had apparently been changed.
After further investigation, the email address was also removed off of the paypal account, so we could not retrieve the password , and we have NO way to access it.
That being said, It's been confirmed by 3 seperate people right now, that yes, The person who changed the password is Joker.
From what we can tell, hes changed everything so we can no longer access it, and I would assume that he plans to take the money out of it as well and use it for his own personal use. "
So let me get this straight, he leaves the team, gives them the password, changes it so they can't use it, tells 3 others what he is doing/did it, removes all the bank account info and credit card info then DOESN'T take the money right away so he can take it later?
Really, read that letter again and see if something really doesn't add up.
If you don't like me questioning the SWGEMU team's integrity, honestly, tough.
Everything i highlighted in red indicated an attempt to decieve.
ANY reasonalble person would have given advance warning he or she was leaving and made arrangements ahead of time to get the money to a designated individual or account. The FAILURE to do so gives FURTHER credence that this money was stolen.
ANY reasonable, mature, and intelligent person would be able to see this. Again, two wrongs do NOT make a right.
/sigh
Again I ask as I did before:
"He leaves the team, gives them the password, changes it so they can't use it, tells 3 others what he is doing/did it, removes all the bank account info and credit card info then DOESN'T take the money right away so he can take it later?"
Then to top it off he leaves his myspace up with his addreess and phone number? Yeah right
Any reasonable manager would have had several ways of accessing his funding, not give it all to one then get the info AFTER he leaves. Classic case of por management at the most basic level.
And your little PayPal quote was cute and all but I was referring to other forms of payment OTHER than Paypal...i.e. snail mail checks/cash, etc. Was he in control of those to or was there another person in charge of that and what is the status of that money? Since he "obviously" passed out the changing of the password to three others and they just stood by while he took all the money so they can geta first hand try at get interrogated by the police.
I understand our defense of the team and the way this looks, but honestly, nothing is saying this is odd to you at all?
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
You're not the onlyone skeptical.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
What cracks me up is how the ducks are now sucking up to everyone to whom they have been total jerkfaces for as long as I have been watching.
I mean, to think that some people take this abuse, and then give money, have it stolen, and then give more money to some other unknown dude...well that is just
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Oh well, I guess some people are just looking for some cause to believe in.
It’s kinda like snake oil salesman who preys on the elderly. They got money to spend and are easily tricked into believing what the salesman is selling is the fountain of youth. Hope makes people do dumb things.
That is a possibility. But that would be openning themselves up to alot of other problems. Defamation of character, filing a false police report, possibly blackmail or extortion. Either it is true or it isn't. Since there are many other Develpoers over there that have chimmed in, I don't think this is a conspiracy.
In addition, no one has heard from Joker or tmr.
Congratulations!!! You are stupid enough to post this attitude on the web where all future prospective employers can see that you would rip them off. Good luck finding your next job or business partner. Bigger companies have taken up the habit of finding you online before hiring you.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
Bingo, that was one of the earlier issues I was trying to get at.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
There is more than likely a post somewhere on the forums directing people to donate to a specific paypal account if they want to support the project. (Or at least something somewhere, otherwise how would they know how to donate?)
If i was on a jury and heard all the facts as they have been presented, I would get the picture that this is a small group of people trying to accomplish something in the cheapest fashion as possible since they had no substantial backing and were relying on donations. An account was set up for the "purpose of accepting" donations and that some individual ran off with the money.
I, like you, can not believe how many people think the theft of money is ok. It is theft, it is a larceny, and it is embezzelment. It is a shame to see people thinking that stealing is ok.
4. He probably figured "Half of the people will just say 'They were stupid to trust him. They deserved to have the money stolen anyway.'"
That's the part of this thread that disappoints me. Somebody behaves immorally, and people I thought were above thinking like this more or less excuse his behavior as deserved by the victim. This is the same as blaming a woman for getting raped because she looked so good. Pathetic.
No, I'm not surprised it happened, but I am very disappointed a wrong was committed. While the team in question is not made up of the most lovable people in the world, they have our best interests at heart and deserve a little sympathy here.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
That is a possibility. But that would be openning themselves up to alot of other problems. Defamation of character, filing a false police report, possibly blackmail or extortion. Either it is true or it isn't. Since there are many other Develpoers over there that have chimmed in, I don't think this is a conspiracy.
In addition, no one has heard from Joker or tmr.
I know TMR or TMRZ on a personal level (he was in my guild on Bloodfin and I've know him for over 2 years). If you are saying they think he has something to do with it they would be wrong. He has one kid, second on the way and that keeps him pretty busy. If anything he took a little break from the project for his family obligations. But since people think its cool to point the finger at folks who are not around to defend themselves this does not surprise me they put the blame on him.
I realize I said I quit. I never said it was forever
That is a possibility. But that would be openning themselves up to alot of other problems. Defamation of character, filing a false police report, possibly blackmail or extortion. Either it is true or it isn't. Since there are many other Develpoers over there that have chimmed in, I don't think this is a conspiracy.
In addition, no one has heard from Joker or tmr.
I know TMR or TMRZ on a personal level (he was in my guild on Bloodfin and I've know him for over 2 years). If you are saying they think he has something to do with it they would be wrong. He has one kid, second on the way and that keeps him pretty busy. If anything he took a little break from the project for his family obligations. But since people think its cool to point the finger at folks who are not around to defend themselves this does not surprise me they put the blame on him.
Nope, they (at SWGemu) said that tmr knew ahead of time joker was leaving, maybe ... that Joker was going to change the password, but most importantly ... that he (tmr) didn't tell anyone.
I don't know if I would have either. Maybe , maybe not ... if i trusted Joker I also may very well said nothing.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
That is a possibility. But that would be openning themselves up to alot of other problems. Defamation of character, filing a false police report, possibly blackmail or extortion. Either it is true or it isn't. Since there are many other Develpoers over there that have chimmed in, I don't think this is a conspiracy.
In addition, no one has heard from Joker or tmr.
I know TMR or TMRZ on a personal level (he was in my guild on Bloodfin and I've know him for over 2 years). If you are saying they think he has something to do with it they would be wrong. He has one kid, second on the way and that keeps him pretty busy. If anything he took a little break from the project for his family obligations. But since people think its cool to point the finger at folks who are not around to defend themselves this does not surprise me they put the blame on him.
Nope, they (at SWGemu) said that tmr knew ahead of time joker was leaving, maybe ... that Joker was going to change the password, but most importantly ... that he (tmr) didn't tell anyone.
I don't know if I would have either. Maybe , maybe not ... if i trusted Joker I may very well said nothing.
What Tillamook was referring to is the blind faith folks are having because "The SWGEMU team" says so. Also, if TMR didn't say anything to anyone how did they find out?
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
That is a possibility. But that would be openning themselves up to alot of other problems. Defamation of character, filing a false police report, possibly blackmail or extortion. Either it is true or it isn't. Since there are many other Develpoers over there that have chimmed in, I don't think this is a conspiracy.
In addition, no one has heard from Joker or tmr.
I know TMR or TMRZ on a personal level (he was in my guild on Bloodfin and I've know him for over 2 years). If you are saying they think he has something to do with it they would be wrong. He has one kid, second on the way and that keeps him pretty busy. If anything he took a little break from the project for his family obligations. But since people think its cool to point the finger at folks who are not around to defend themselves this does not surprise me they put the blame on him.
Nope, they (at SWGemu) said that tmr knew ahead of time joker was leaving, maybe ... that Joker was going to change the password, but most importantly ... that he (tmr) didn't tell anyone.
I don't know if I would have either. Maybe , maybe not ... if i trusted Joker I may very well said nothing.
What Tillamook was referring to is the blind faith folks are having because "The SWGEMU team" says so. Also, if TMR didn't say anything to anyone how did they find out?
No that isnt what tillamook was saying. This is what he said:
"I know TMR or TMRZ on a personal level (he was in my guild on Bloodfin and I've know him for over 2 years). If you are saying they think he has something to do with it they would be wrong. He has one kid, second on the way and that keeps him pretty busy."
Tillamook is defending tmr as he knows him on a "personal" level. Stating what he has to lose and that he is a responsible person and wouldn't do that.
Again JuJu you need to FULLY read. he never said anything about "blind faith" in the SWGemu people.
Tallimook please correct me if I am wrong.
What has happened has happened. But it is their internal affair.
By any and all democratic laws, person is innocent until proven guilty. Publishing names, addresses and other information about the person *ALLEGED* to have commited this is not right. Only court of law has the ability to determine whether someone is guilty or not by listening to both parties. Everything that has been posted is a severe violation of proper conduct in such cases.
Internal proceedings as to how this matter are handled are not to be disclosed to public.
Names and relations with those *ALLEGED* of the felony or crime are not to be disclosed.
The sequence of events that has lead to this is not to be disclosed by anyone except court of law.
The whole proceedings here are defamatory, and can be best described as incinuation to a lynch.
There is a reason why this is handled through authorites. This is a very huge PR blunder that may severly hurt an independant investigation.
But above all, this is not how such situations are handled. Period. No matter who's involved. Once again, it's a huge publicity stunt over a very dubious matter where only one side of the story is heard.
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Alternate storyline that fits into what was posted (my personal, unrelated to any fact):
Two members of the team get into a dispute. Leader, who stays with the team takes some things too harsly. Person leaving drops every contact and moves on. Out of rage the leader takes the money, frames the evidence, then launches a defamatory campaign over their own media outlet in order to settle a personal dispute.
Why not? Nobody in general public knows what happens, this is why courts of law exist. This, at very best, is an attempt at hillbilly justice.
Do not play the investigators here. Nobody knows what happened and posting the information like this is bad taste, possibly even an offense in itself, and just another impulse reaction that brings internal and in this case legal and authoritative affairs into general public.
This is not how such occurances are handled.
The names and events must never ever be released until the court case is completed. Period.
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That is a possibility. But that would be openning themselves up to alot of other problems. Defamation of character, filing a false police report, possibly blackmail or extortion. Either it is true or it isn't. Since there are many other Develpoers over there that have chimmed in, I don't think this is a conspiracy.
In addition, no one has heard from Joker or tmr.
I know TMR or TMRZ on a personal level (he was in my guild on Bloodfin and I've know him for over 2 years). If you are saying they think he has something to do with it they would be wrong. He has one kid, second on the way and that keeps him pretty busy. If anything he took a little break from the project for his family obligations. But since people think its cool to point the finger at folks who are not around to defend themselves this does not surprise me they put the blame on him.
Nope, they (at SWGemu) said that tmr knew ahead of time joker was leaving, maybe ... that Joker was going to change the password, but most importantly ... that he (tmr) didn't tell anyone.
I don't know if I would have either. Maybe , maybe not ... if i trusted Joker I may very well said nothing.
What Tillamook was referring to is the blind faith folks are having because "The SWGEMU team" says so. Also, if TMR didn't say anything to anyone how did they find out?
No that isnt what tillamook was saying. This is what he said:
"I know TMR or TMRZ on a personal level (he was in my guild on Bloodfin and I've know him for over 2 years). If you are saying they think he has something to do with it they would be wrong. He has one kid, second on the way and that keeps him pretty busy."
Tillamook is defending tmr as he knows him on a "personal" level. Stating what he has to lose and that he is a responsible person and wouldn't do that.
Again JuJu you need to FULLY read. he never said anything about "blind faith" in the SWGemu people.
Tallimook please correct me if I am wrong.
I did fully read....you just choose to disagree.
But since people think its cool to point the finger at folks who are not around to defend themselves this does not surprise me they put the blame on him.
I said "Blind faith" kid. EMU team says TMR and Joker did, 11 pages of folks agree....that is blind faith with out fact to support it. They are goin on nothing but what the EMU guys ae saying.
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
That is a possibility. But that would be openning themselves up to alot of other problems. Defamation of character, filing a false police report, possibly blackmail or extortion. Either it is true or it isn't. Since there are many other Develpoers over there that have chimmed in, I don't think this is a conspiracy.
In addition, no one has heard from Joker or tmr.
I know TMR or TMRZ on a personal level (he was in my guild on Bloodfin and I've know him for over 2 years). If you are saying they think he has something to do with it they would be wrong. He has one kid, second on the way and that keeps him pretty busy. If anything he took a little break from the project for his family obligations. But since people think its cool to point the finger at folks who are not around to defend themselves this does not surprise me they put the blame on him.
Nope, they (at SWGemu) said that tmr knew ahead of time joker was leaving, maybe ... that Joker was going to change the password, but most importantly ... that he (tmr) didn't tell anyone.
I don't know if I would have either. Maybe , maybe not ... if i trusted Joker I may very well said nothing.
What Tillamook was referring to is the blind faith folks are having because "The SWGEMU team" says so. Also, if TMR didn't say anything to anyone how did they find out?
No that isnt what tillamook was saying. This is what he said:
"I know TMR or TMRZ on a personal level (he was in my guild on Bloodfin and I've know him for over 2 years). If you are saying they think he has something to do with it they would be wrong. He has one kid, second on the way and that keeps him pretty busy."
Tillamook is defending tmr as he knows him on a "personal" level. Stating what he has to lose and that he is a responsible person and wouldn't do that.
Again JuJu you need to FULLY read. he never said anything about "blind faith" in the SWGemu people.
Tallimook please correct me if I am wrong.
I did fully read....you just choose to disagree.
But since people think its cool to point the finger at folks who are not around to defend themselves this does not surprise me they put the blame on him.
I said "Blind faith" kid. EMU team says TMR and Joker did, 11 pages of folks agree....that is blind faith with out fact to support it. They are goin on nothing but what the EMU guys ae saying.
JuJu you have yet today, in any thread, posted anything of any value. But your opinions/thoughts are fully appreciated.