OMG! Warhammer Online has only shown us screenshots and videos! It must just be a big corporate scam, the game clearly can't exist!
and its also made by mythic .. and has been to every gaming show there is and has been played by every editor there is.
go to game conventions
ya darkfall went to game conventions and forgot to bring along their game! Commen sense tells you if you're going to a game convention that you might want to show off your game and not stand in an empty booth with a darkfall poster behind you. I mean WTF????????
Originally posted by ddev Again, I have never heard this thing: ToC how many times do I have to say... you can, however send me a link for it. DF I have met it just 10 days back and I am overwhelmed by the fact that it's possible a couple of rumours some screens and one outdated video can give hopes, keeping human beings happy for some 5+ years (an indication why we all need politicians and leaders )Rules are already laid down in the games industry, DF is clearly breaking these rules and this is what I have shown to all of you here. So, no more pics please. If I was you I would prepare myself for a big disappointment
Ddev mate... you know i love you... but what rules have they broken?
As far as i know it's not a law to post up to date screenies / movies every month or so when developing a game?
As far as i know it's not a legal requirement to list all your shareholders / financial backing on a computer game website?
Personally I'm looking forward to DF. Of course there's a chance it will never happen, but then there always is that chance, especially in the MMO market.
Originally posted by KidWicked ya darkfall went to game conventions and forgot to bring along their game! Commen sense tells you if you're going to a game convention that you might want to show off your game and not stand in an empty booth with a darkfall poster behind you. I mean WTF???????? this ddev guy is 100% spot on with what he says.
Hmm yeah, so what about all the different interviews made by gaming sites - writing about how they saw the game in action at E3. Guess they are in on the whole "scam" also.
KidWicked you are an idiot. Go play some Realms of Torrent or whatever it's called these days.
And ddev go play WoW2 or Warhammer or whatever EQ clone you believe in. It's pretty annoying to keep having idiots come in here and yell vapor when it's obvious for anyone who do any research that Darkfall is not more vapor than any other upcoming mmorpg. Not at this point.
Maybe back in 2003 to 2005 where we only got news every 3-4 months, if you had stated it back then, your words might have had more bearing. But it's just idiotic now that we are getting 2-3 updates per week, and it seems they are very close to beta.
Jester, Im not gonna go with this again. You are right it's not a legal requirement, but also if you look closer this is clearly not what other companies do. While this team here sells promises for some good 7 years now. If you are happy with what they sell and how, then fine.
Currently it's a game to watch. if it doesn't come to be then that would suck, but just because it MIGHT not be released doesn't mean no one should be excited about it
So don't 'slander' him with any further ToC accusations. For however long ddev insists on arguing his case,and the Darkfall followers arguing against him.
I am not accusing ddev of being a toc troll anymore, I think he has proven not to be that. But I still think it's idiotic to come here and keep telling us Darkfall is vapour when the same could be said about any upcoming mmorpg, and certainly also about PoBS.
We got beta acceptance last year in oktober, when we received an email we would get 5 beta keys, and they would send us t-shirts. So instead they move their release date to summer 2007 and we get no beta keys and no t-shirts. I bet you darkfall is out by that time or atleast in beta heh
But that don't make me go to the PoBS boards and start spamming vapor all over.
Originally posted by KhaelSan I am not accusing ddev of being a toc troll anymore, I think he has proven not to be that. But I still think it's idiotic to come here and keep telling us Darkfall is vapour when the same could be said about any upcoming mmorpg, and certainly also about PoBS. We got beta acceptance last year in oktober, when we received an email we would get 5 beta keys, and they would send us t-shirts. So instead they move their release date to summer 2007 and we get no beta keys and no t-shirts. I bet you darkfall is out by that time or atleast in beta heh But that don't make me go to the PoBS boards and start spamming vapor all over.
Um POTBS is in beta and they have a release date nailed down. Darkfall has been in development since 2001 and all they still aren't any closer to release than they were 3 years ago. Look at their "updates", they're just a few lame screenshots and more empty promises. Oh but don't worry, beta is really close....No seriously it really is. They mean it this time. lol
yeah we still havent gotten our promised PoTBS beta keys or t-shirts. One guy in the guild got in the beta independently and could report the game sucks donkey balls.
So yeah we are suckers because we wait for a good pvp mmorpg, and yeah df is vapor because they want to wait with a beta date until they are 100% ready. Whatever dude.
Ok, just to help you a bit here, so you don't lose time searching my posts, here is what I believe in general and why I took the time to report here:
1. I hate lies and scams so every time I feel like it, I simply report it. This is not happening frequently though. I do feel DF falls in this category, they certainly lied to you, they do this for 7 years, but you don't want to admit it. We have said enough about this already in this thread, and you better backup what you say about gaming conventions and such. Show me photos rather than yet another article from the notorious G4m3X webzine, or those famous -by now- DF posters that are just about to get life
2. I am not a supporter of PoBS nor any other game. Im just a player from time to time and even not a hardcore one . It's stupid for me to play the supporter of ANY game and not getting any cash in return. If they want my services, they simply gotta pay. PoBS is indeed a game I like for a couple of reasons: first it's a somewhat fresh concept, then it's historically accurate, which for me it presents a source for knowledge (you will know what a scooner is for example) instead of an Orc However no matter how good PoBS sounds they too have their glitches: 1 year broken promises about publishing and another 9 months after their second (promised) official release date. We can't compare these two titles though, PoBS truly attends gaming conventions like E3 and PAX and they are already in beta
3. I have said it numerous times but you just don't listen: I do wish, honestly, DF to be ready and in beta in due time so you can all have your game and be done with it. But I also don't kid myself this will happen within 2006 or even 2007, unless something big happens. It's actually pretty easy to show you some progress: just a detailed video of the game showing real pvp with numbers will do. Not another landscape fly-by or artistic still shots. At least you demand this for 7 years waiting for this legend
One thing that has really started annoying me with you is that you keep saying they've been lying to us for 7 years. Thats quite a stretch considering the earliest anyone is willing to suggest as a starter date is 2001.
2001-2006: 5 Years
And, as has been said many times before, the company was only properly set up, and full development only began in 2003.
2003-2006: 3 Years
If your gonna exaggerate, at least go all out and tell us they've been at it since 1987
1. This is the most in depth and complex MMORPG ever created which is why the devs are taking so long to finish. or 2. It's vaporware, son.
I'm gonna use occam's razor on this brain teaser and go with number 2. What a joke. The people following this game and singing it's praises prove that there is truly a sucker born every minute.
They actually did some alpha testing in 2001. Brannoc (head of the DF community staff) participated in it, for example. So did a handful of other very old-guard members of the Darkfall community.
There's been a few other periods throughout development history where the devs were close to rolling out beta (2003 and 2005), but on each occasion they decided to continue refinement & development instead. The devs seem to have a real obsession with perfection, which is an [i]extremely[/i] refreshing change of pace from today's usual "meh, just roll it out and we'll patch it into line later"...although the additional waiting it entails is occasionally vexing, I must admit.
the development time is not strange or delayed when you consider what has happened to the game. A couple of gamers started making a simple pvp game. If they continued on the track they were on they would have created a crapy little online game that sputtered and died like wish. During this time they create a new engine. This is not to be dismissed. developers making games in two or three years are using licenced engines, not building one. That took a long time!
Then they hookup with another group of gamers from Greece that want to join the project with a big chunk of money. So they partner up move to Greece and start redoing the game to compete with big name games in the market.
I was there for the beta announcements back in 03 and then again with the new site in 05. Yes I was disappointed but I do not dismiss what they have done and all the progress that has been made. I read Tasos post on why Df was not going to launch the beta and understand his desire to make a bigger game with more attraction. He could have launched beta with a skeleton world and spent time trying to keep a beta server running while doing the exact same crap they are doing right now. Why they would waste money on public tests for two years is beyond me. I don’t know why other developers do it. Its not only a waste of many but also a waste of manpower.
I don’t want to see DF until its ready to play. I don’t want to test like I did on the damn island in shadowbane where nothing worked. And I don’t want to buy a released version that only have 1/4 of the world running like It did in DOAC. The way it has worked for past games is just not going to cut it any more. Venders inside the floor, loot tables empty for whole dungeons, most of the world empty of mobs, mounts not implemented, etc.
the development time is not strange or delayed when you consider what has happened to the game. A couple of gamers started making a simple pvp game. If they continued on the track they were on they would have created a crapy little online game that sputtered and died like wish. During this time they create a new engine. This is not to be dismissed. developers making games in two or three years are using licenced engines, not building one. That took a long time! Then they hookup with another group of gamers from Greece that want to join the project with a big chunk of money. So they partner up move to Greece and start redoing the game to compete with big name games in the market. I was there for the beta announcements back in 03 and then again with the new site in 05. Yes I was disappointed but I do not dismiss what they have done and all the progress that has been made. I read Tasos post on why Df was not going to launch the beta and understand his desire to make a bigger game with more attraction. He could have launched beta with a skeleton world and spent time trying to keep a beta server running while doing the exact same crap they are doing right now. Why they would waste money on public tests for two years is beyond me. I don’t know why other developers do it. Its not only a waste of many but also a waste of manpower. I don’t want to see DF until its ready to play. I don’t want to test like I did on the damn island in shadowbane where nothing worked. And I don’t want to buy a released version that only have 1/4 of the world running like It did in DOAC. The way it has worked for past games is just not going to cut it any more. Venders inside the floor, loot tables empty for whole dungeons, most of the world empty of mobs, mounts not implemented, etc.
if you hadn't had posted this I would have. You reflect my sentiments exactly. I can't blame most people for not understanding this enough to be patient. After all this seems like a dream game we've all would love to play. It's only natural to be impatient.
I too realize the nuances of game development and the small team issues etc. And I'd hate to participate in a Shadowbane-esque early beta again.
Yet, time factor is getting more and more important, because fantasy games are not guaranteed to stay high indefinitely. And ideas/content is also getting a stale taste if they don't materialise within acceptable time limits after they were announced/conceived. We now might be in the era of fantasy games but this fashion might change soon as new competitors enter the arena. For small teams I would prefer a licensed engine which will allow for fast adding of content and fast releasing, while for bigger players that have the resources an inhouse engine is probably better
The real test for this game will be when beta testers start giving their general impressions of it. If the beta reviews suck then I think we can be pretty sure this game is garbage. (Well I already am sure, I'm mostly referring to the gullible fanbois) I mean what are the devs gonna say, "Oh, well beta sucks but that's just because we only had 6 years to work up this point. Just give us a few more months and everything will be ok." Anywho, that's getting way ahead of ourselves considering the game isn't even in beta yet. lol. The bottom line is that even if they do manage to get the game out in 2007 or 2008, you will be playing a MMORPG with severely dated graphics and concepts that were designed back in 2001. It's like Commodore just now coming out with their new Commodore 256 pc and expecting people to actually give a crap. There is a time limit on development, newbs.
Originally posted by Trendson <snip> blabla</snip> It's like Commodore just now coming out with their new Commodore 256 pc and expecting people to actually give a crap.
Thats pretty funny, since it was a Commodore Amiga demo that won the latest demo competition at Assembly '06. Check it out
The only thing useful in this entire thread is what it isn't about... wth is ToC?? Can't even match the acronym to any game in exsistance or creation and it sounds like it might be abit more interesting that a game that doesn't and quite probably won't ever exsist.
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Originally posted by Trendson <snip> blabla</snip> It's like Commodore just now coming out with their new Commodore 256 pc and expecting people to actually give a crap.
Thats pretty funny, since it was a Commodore Amiga demo that won the latest demo competition at Assembly '06. Check it out
They just did a major update to the graphics. Read before posting Trendson.
Well I read the first three pages and then got bored. Just remember Gizmondo, which was a real company with real officies that put out a FINISHED product before the CEOs ran off in their Enzo Ferraris (which the guy split in half after running into a telephone pole .) That said, ToC can suck it, and I hope Darkfall really gets out.
I am not accusing ddev of being a toc troll anymore, I think he has proven not to be that. But I still think it's idiotic to come here and keep telling us Darkfall is vapour when the same could be said about any upcoming mmorpg, and certainly also about PoBS. We got beta acceptance last year in oktober, when we received an email we would get 5 beta keys, and they would send us t-shirts. So instead they move their release date to summer 2007 and we get no beta keys and no t-shirts. I bet you darkfall is out by that time or atleast in beta heh But that don't make me go to the PoBS boards and start spamming vapor all over.
So... PotBS has been in beta for some time now and will release soon and still not beta for DarkFall Online, what say you now?
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Originally posted by KidWicked
ya darkfall went to game conventions and forgot to bring along their game! Commen sense tells you if you're going to a game convention that you might want to show off your game and not stand in an empty booth with a darkfall poster behind you. I mean WTF????????
this ddev guy is 100% spot on with what he says.
Hmm yeah, so what about all the different interviews made by gaming sites - writing about how they saw the game in action at E3. Guess they are in on the whole "scam" also.
KidWicked you are an idiot. Go play some Realms of Torrent or whatever it's called these days.
And ddev go play WoW2 or Warhammer or whatever EQ clone you believe in. It's pretty annoying to keep having idiots come in here and yell vapor when it's obvious for anyone who do any research that Darkfall is not more vapor than any other upcoming mmorpg. Not at this point.
It just doesn't make sense to go to a gaming convention and forget your game lol. What about all the interviews? They just answer the same questions over and over with not much information being released. Like they said though, they had alpha testing in 2001 and were supposed to release on 03. Magically something happens every time they put a date out there and they can never seem to get dates right.
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and its also made by mythic .. and has been to every gaming show there is and has been played by every editor there is.
go to game conventions
ya darkfall went to game conventions and forgot to bring along their game! Commen sense tells you if you're going to a game convention that you might want to show off your game and not stand in an empty booth with a darkfall poster behind you. I mean WTF????????
this ddev guy is 100% spot on with what he says.
Ddev mate... you know i love you... but what rules have they broken?
As far as i know it's not a law to post up to date screenies / movies every month or so when developing a game?
As far as i know it's not a legal requirement to list all your shareholders / financial backing on a computer game website?
Personally I'm looking forward to DF. Of course there's a chance it will never happen, but then there always is that chance, especially in the MMO market.
Hmm yeah, so what about all the different interviews made by gaming sites - writing about how they saw the game in action at E3. Guess they are in on the whole "scam" also.
KidWicked you are an idiot. Go play some Realms of Torrent or whatever it's called these days.
And ddev go play WoW2 or Warhammer or whatever EQ clone you believe in. It's pretty annoying to keep having idiots come in here and yell vapor when it's obvious for anyone who do any research that Darkfall is not more vapor than any other upcoming mmorpg. Not at this point.
Maybe back in 2003 to 2005 where we only got news every 3-4 months, if you had stated it back then, your words might have had more bearing. But it's just idiotic now that we are getting 2-3 updates per week, and it seems they are very close to beta.
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Jester, Im not gonna go with this again. You are right it's not a legal requirement, but also if you look closer this is clearly not what other companies do. While this team here sells promises for some good 7 years now. If you are happy with what they sell and how, then fine.
Ddev... they have sold nothing...
Noone here has paid to pre-order.
Currently it's a game to watch. if it doesn't come to be then that would suck, but just because it MIGHT not be released doesn't mean no one should be excited about it
As a point of interest,ddev seems to be backing POTBS:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/92507
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/92188/page/2
So don't 'slander' him with any further ToC accusations.
For however long ddev insists on arguing his case,and the Darkfall followers arguing against him.
I am not accusing ddev of being a toc troll anymore, I think he has proven not to be that. But I still think it's idiotic to come here and keep telling us Darkfall is vapour when the same could be said about any upcoming mmorpg, and certainly also about PoBS.
We got beta acceptance last year in oktober, when we received an email we would get 5 beta keys, and they would send us t-shirts. So instead they move their release date to summer 2007 and we get no beta keys and no t-shirts. I bet you darkfall is out by that time or atleast in beta heh
But that don't make me go to the PoBS boards and start spamming vapor all over.
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http://www.guildofsun.com
http://www.bloodmonarchy.com
Um POTBS is in beta and they have a release date nailed down. Darkfall has been in development since 2001 and all they still aren't any closer to release than they were 3 years ago. Look at their "updates", they're just a few lame screenshots and more empty promises. Oh but don't worry, beta is really close....No seriously it really is. They mean it this time. lol
Suckers.
yeah we still havent gotten our promised PoTBS beta keys or t-shirts. One guy in the guild got in the beta independently and could report the game sucks donkey balls.
So yeah we are suckers because we wait for a good pvp mmorpg, and yeah df is vapor because they want to wait with a beta date until they are 100% ready. Whatever dude.
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Ok, just to help you a bit here, so you don't lose time searching my posts, here is what I believe in general and why I took the time to report here:
1. I hate lies and scams so every time I feel like it, I simply report it. This is not happening frequently though. I do feel DF falls in this category, they certainly lied to you, they do this for 7 years, but you don't want to admit it. We have said enough about this already in this thread, and you better backup what you say about gaming conventions and such. Show me photos rather than yet another article from the notorious G4m3X webzine, or those famous -by now- DF posters that are just about to get life
2. I am not a supporter of PoBS nor any other game. Im just a player from time to time and even not a hardcore one
. It's stupid for me to play the supporter of ANY game and not getting any cash in return. If they want my services, they simply gotta pay. PoBS is indeed a game I like for a couple of reasons: first it's a somewhat fresh concept, then it's historically accurate, which for me it presents a source for knowledge (you will know what a scooner is for example) instead of an Orc 
However no matter how good PoBS sounds they too have their glitches: 1 year broken promises about publishing and another 9 months after their second (promised) official release date. We can't compare these two titles though, PoBS truly attends gaming conventions like E3 and PAX and they are already in beta
3. I have said it numerous times but you just don't listen: I do wish, honestly, DF to be ready and in beta in due time so you can all have your game and be done with it. But I also don't kid myself this will happen within 2006 or even 2007, unless something big happens. It's actually pretty easy to show you some progress: just a detailed video of the game showing real pvp with numbers will do. Not another landscape fly-by or artistic still shots. At least you demand this for 7 years waiting for this legend
omg.. did you look at the site? Razorwax isnt real. No corprate info on the page no projects no contacts.. It is not a business.
did you make the site to flame someone?
2001-2006: 5 Years
And, as has been said many times before, the company was only properly set up, and full development only began in 2003.
2003-2006: 3 Years
If your gonna exaggerate, at least go all out and tell us they've been at it since 1987
Don't feed the troll...
http://rpgvaultarchive.ign.com/features/interviews/darkfall.shtml
Lolz. They were "close" to alpha testing in 2001. It's 2006 and they're "close" to beta testing. That means one of two things:
1. This is the most in depth and complex MMORPG ever created which is why the devs are taking so long to finish.
or
2. It's vaporware, son.
I'm gonna use occam's razor on this brain teaser and go with number 2.
What a joke. The people following this game and singing it's praises prove that there is truly a sucker born every minute.
There's been a few other periods throughout development history where the devs were close to rolling out beta (2003 and 2005), but on each occasion they decided to continue refinement & development instead. The devs seem to have a real obsession with perfection, which is an [i]extremely[/i] refreshing change of pace from today's usual "meh, just roll it out and we'll patch it into line later"...although the additional waiting it entails is occasionally vexing, I must admit.
the development time is not strange or delayed when you consider what has happened to the game. A couple of gamers started making a simple pvp game. If they continued on the track they were on they would have created a crapy little online game that sputtered and died like wish. During this time they create a new engine. This is not to be dismissed. developers making games in two or three years are using licenced engines, not building one. That took a long time!
Then they hookup with another group of gamers from Greece that want to join the project with a big chunk of money. So they partner up move to Greece and start redoing the game to compete with big name games in the market.
I was there for the beta announcements back in 03 and then again with the new site in 05. Yes I was disappointed but I do not dismiss what they have done and all the progress that has been made. I read Tasos post on why Df was not going to launch the beta and understand his desire to make a bigger game with more attraction. He could have launched beta with a skeleton world and spent time trying to keep a beta server running while doing the exact same crap they are doing right now. Why they would waste money on public tests for two years is beyond me. I don’t know why other developers do it. Its not only a waste of many but also a waste of manpower.
I don’t want to see DF until its ready to play. I don’t want to test like I did on the damn island in shadowbane where nothing worked. And I don’t want to buy a released version that only have 1/4 of the world running like It did in DOAC. The way it has worked for past games is just not going to cut it any more. Venders inside the floor, loot tables empty for whole dungeons, most of the world empty of mobs, mounts not implemented, etc.
I too realize the nuances of game development and the small team issues etc. And I'd hate to participate in a Shadowbane-esque early beta again.
Yet, time factor is getting more and more important, because fantasy games are not guaranteed to stay high indefinitely. And ideas/content is also getting a stale taste if they don't materialise within acceptable time limits after they were announced/conceived.
We now might be in the era of fantasy games but this fashion might change soon as new competitors enter the arena.
For small teams I would prefer a licensed engine which will allow for fast adding of content and fast releasing, while for bigger players that have the resources an inhouse engine is probably better
The real test for this game will be when beta testers start giving their general impressions of it. If the beta reviews suck then I think we can be pretty sure this game is garbage. (Well I already am sure, I'm mostly referring to the gullible fanbois) I mean what are the devs gonna say, "Oh, well beta sucks but that's just because we only had 6 years to work up this point. Just give us a few more months and everything will be ok."
Anywho, that's getting way ahead of ourselves considering the game isn't even in beta yet. lol.
The bottom line is that even if they do manage to get the game out in 2007 or 2008, you will be playing a MMORPG with severely dated graphics and concepts that were designed back in 2001. It's like Commodore just now coming out with their new Commodore 256 pc and expecting people to actually give a crap. There is a time limit on development, newbs.
Thats pretty funny, since it was a Commodore Amiga demo that won the latest demo competition at Assembly '06. Check it out
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Thats pretty funny, since it was a Commodore Amiga demo that won the latest demo competition at Assembly '06. Check it out
They just did a major update to the graphics. Read before posting Trendson.
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So... PotBS has been in beta for some time now and will release soon and still not beta for DarkFall Online, what say you now?
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Hmm yeah, so what about all the different interviews made by gaming sites - writing about how they saw the game in action at E3. Guess they are in on the whole "scam" also.
KidWicked you are an idiot. Go play some Realms of Torrent or whatever it's called these days.
And ddev go play WoW2 or Warhammer or whatever EQ clone you believe in. It's pretty annoying to keep having idiots come in here and yell vapor when it's obvious for anyone who do any research that Darkfall is not more vapor than any other upcoming mmorpg. Not at this point.
It just doesn't make sense to go to a gaming convention and forget your game lol. What about all the interviews? They just answer the same questions over and over with not much information being released. Like they said though, they had alpha testing in 2001 and were supposed to release on 03. Magically something happens every time they put a date out there and they can never seem to get dates right.