AMD/Pentium

Keegan · February 2004

Right now i have a dell with a 2.4 processor (pentium) and i'm looking to upgrade my processor to the most recent one for the Realease for Eq2 and i was just wondering pro's and cons.

I hear Pentiums are not as fast but more realible while the amds are faster but will burn up alot quicker.

Yordo · February 2004

If you want a reliable one go with a P4 3.0 GHz.....AMD's are overrated, especially when the best ones are only around 2.0 GHz. Both are very good processors, and if you go with the best from either company, you really can't go wrong. It's up to you.

Dekron · February 2004

well 2.4ghz is more than adequate and you shouldn't worry about upgrading too much. I think EQ2 will require at least 1ghz so you will be good enough with what you have. Also if you have a pentium you can only upgrade to a pentium unless you changed your motherboard. Pentiums and AMD use different proprietary sockets/slots for their CPUs and they are not interchangable. Anyways max processor now is 3.5ghz and it's not really going to improve your performance too much. Things will be a little faster, but there is yet anything that needs that much processing power.

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Keegan · February 2004

Well i know i'm upgrading Ram to the max my system can hold just becuase i think that would make everything run more smoothly and i am going to upgrade my video card (currently i have a Geforce4 4200)

But basicly i wanted to upgrade becuase i want everything to run better, you don't think a processor upgrade would affect my rig that much? what about the ram and the video card? and what video cards would you suggest?

Another thing is before eq2 comes out i am dumbing my system and reintalling everything becuase my rig seems to be running alot of crap all the time that i don't know how to get rid of and its usless crap plus i figure it can't hurt and can only help my rig.

Dekron · February 2004

upgrading the ram would be good and a new vid card might be good as well if you're going to want the best experience for EQII. That Geforce 4 won't cut it (that's an MX isn't it?). As far as vid cards go with either the ATI 9800 Pro (about $299) or the Geforce FX 5700 Ultra ($219.00). Both are great cards. The card you have can handle EQ2 but not at the maximum settings. You may have to put gfx settings at medium, or even low, for good performance. And no, I don't think that upgrading the CPU is going to make that big of a difference

edit: just make sure if you upgrade your vid card that you have an adequate power supply. ATI is at least 300w and the Geforce is at least 250w. I beleive you said that you had a DELL. Which unfortunately I do as well. With Dells, especially the older systems (before 4500 I think) they used a non-standard ATX motherboard (which Dell manufactured) which means that you can only use a Dell power supply with the motherboard. The Dells usually come equipped with a 250w power supply so you may need to go with the Geforce. I can't seem to find power supplies from Dell and customer service told me they don't sell them individually, so basically Deel screws you!

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Keegan · February 2004

Originally posted by dekron
upgrading the ram would be good and a new vid card might be good as well if you're going to want the best experience for EQII. That Geforce 4 won't cut it (that's an MX isn't it?). As far as vid cards go with either the ATI 9800 Pro (about $299) or the Geforce FX 5700 Ultra ($219.00). Both are great cards. The card you have can handle EQ2 but not at the maximum settings. You may have to put gfx settings at medium, or even low, for good performance. And no, I don't think that upgrading the CPU is going to make that big of a difference

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Okay i have to buy a new computer anyways because my girlfriend is going to play eq2 and i'm giving her this rig and i'm going to get an Alienware ?*grins evily* which processer do you suggest for that one?

Dekron · February 2004

AMDs are really good if you plan on trying to overclock it. AMDs are good overall and cost less than a pentium. Both are a considerable option, but you may go with pentium if you're not sure how to overclock.

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Yordo · February 2004

To answer the thing about your computer having a ton of crap on it, I would suggest getting some adware removal tools that get rid of a LOT of junk that builds up on your PC. They really help but usually you need a couple different ones to get most of it. The best one that I have found is Ad-aware. Really works well...and you can get it free from download.com

Keegan · February 2004

going with pentium then becuase i have no lcue how t o overclock.

And i use spywear and will it helps with pop ups i just seem to have a huge amount of crap running 24/7. and so i would just feel better to dump it all kinda like spring cleaning.

Yordo · February 2004

Yes, I know what you mean. I totally wipe my PC once every year. Also, I really need to know where I can check how much power supply my PC has? I'm running on Win XP Home if that affects where I can find this.

Clever_Glove · February 2004

There is so much more to a processor than just MHz (or GHz). That is quickly becoming a obsolete measure of CPU performance.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040106/index.html

To keep this short so people eyes don't glaze over. Intel has backed themselves against a wall due to cache design. They are struggling to improve performance while keeping the same CPU footprint for cheap manufacturing. yada yada... if your interested read the acticles about how CPU's work and why Intel no makes the best CPU's. (AMD is also cheaper)

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Enigma · February 2004

I have a AMD....had a pentium and I enjoy my AMD much much much more

Dekron · February 2004

Yordo your power supply info should be in the manual you got with your comp. If not, then just crack open the case and look on the power supply bay. There should be a sticker there telling you how much you have.

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Malkavian · February 2004

Personal Opinion

I use an AMD. Always will till the next best thing comes out.

Performace is comparable to the Pentium if not slightly better without over clocking.

Price is another factor AMD just burns Pentium on.

With many other reasons including those which Glove mentioned, AMD is your better choice for the near future of Processors.

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Enigma · February 2004

let's just put it this way:

Remember the Packard Bell.....the computer where they literally melted the metal at the ends of the cards, modems, cd trays, etc to the inside of the Case so you couldn't upgrade it?

Well, that's the Pentium.

While the Packard Bell was number one for many years, there limitations were there fall. Pentium's cache system is gonna kill them in a few years while AMD will be soaring high....not to mention that the AMD's speed similiar to the Pentium is about 30% cheaper to buy

Serien · February 2004

well see

p4's are fast and reliable, and expensive

amd's are fast and cheap

ur choice if u want it to be reliable...i went with amd

Regus · February 2004

I have an AMD too, can't complain but this is first "decent" computer I have so don't know actually

One day all will die, surely you but never I.

Serien · February 2004

yea..it's just the amd 2500 overheats like a mofo!

Yordo · February 2004

Well, the 2800 runs a little smoother than the 2500, but the 2500 is just about the same. So I would recommend getting the 2500....

Dekron · February 2004

as far as the cache, wow I did not actually look at how big of a difference. compared an AMD XP 3200 L1 cache is 64k+64k/ L2 is 512k, P4 3.2ghz L1 cache is only 12k+8k and L2 is also 512k. Bif difference for the AMD. Bad thing though is looking at a trend now. Was comparing prices and AMD is starting to get a little more expensive because of that L1 cache. sram costs alot.

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Yordo · February 2004

Basically, they end up evening out in price range and it won't matter what you choose. AMD and Pentium are both reliable so it's not like it would be a bad decision either way.

Galoot · February 2004

dekron, the new Prescott core has a 1MB L2 plus an L3. Now the stats I've seen of the Prescott are nothing to write home about ATM compared to the Northwood core BUT... Intel is to release 'extensions'( thanks to AMD by the way) that will allow the Prescott to operate in a 64 bit environment.

Now if this will be the case , compare the price of an AMD 64 bit with a Prescott and some may change their mind.

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