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WHY GO WITH TURBINE??????????

These guys SUCK at turbine, absolutely no taste or creativity, I'm looking at their screens and it looks just as boring and plain looking at that joke DDO....What were they THINKING???????????????
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  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    ofcourse there is no creativity, its lord of the rings for crying out loud, for a big part the base of todays mmorpgs. the game seems pretty solid to me, but as long as you have not played it, you can't judge it.

  • MercenarriMercenarri Member Posts: 5
    What screenshots have you been looking at? LotRO has the best graphics I've seen in any MMO.



  • apocalanceapocalance Member UncommonPosts: 1,073


    Originally posted by Achilleys
    These guys SUCK at turbine, absolutely no taste or creativity, I'm looking at their screens and it looks just as boring and plain looking at that joke DDO....What were they THINKING???????????????
    I could understand if you had posted that you watched the E3 videos of people playing LotR:O and thought it looked awefully boring. That I could understand. But saying a game looks boring because of the "screens" seems a bit silly. The E3 videos of random people playing it did look boring. However, watching a real video of the gameplay, it looked fine. I'm not sure I'll be playing LotR:O because I'm more interested in G&H at the moment, but it's nothing to give up on. The graphics look fine and as long as they are creative with the story, it should do well.

    Turbine doesn't seem to care if you (meaning any one person or even the average gamer) like a game they're making. I think they have a nitch market they're going for and in this case it's the Tolkien fans who want to live in and interact with Middle Earth.

    Just my 2¢.

    so...

  • AthelaAthela Member Posts: 492

    What screenshots are you looking at?  All of the ones I've seen look beautiful.  Maybe you can post a link?

    Have you tried DDO since the July changes? Maybe you'll like it better.  I thought DDO was very sharp graphically, by the way.

  • Eol-Eol- Member UncommonPosts: 274
    There is a link to a download from the Leipzig game fair in the LotRO official forums. Its just a videocamera filming the screen while someone plays the game, but its pretty good. The graphics seemed quite good to me - more realistic and not so cartoony as WoW. The gameplay seemed a lot like WoW, which is fine by me - I enjoyed WoW's gameplay, just not the cartoony world and the less than mature community.

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  • NoVu5NoVu5 Member Posts: 50
    Why, you must be right!  Because heck!  YOU SAY SO!  So if you say so, that must make it true!  Post a link, substatiate your facts, or be quiet.

  • RevanscRevansc Member Posts: 7
    Don't have kids


    Originally posted by Achilleys
    These guys SUCK at turbine, absolutely no taste or creativity, I'm looking at their screens and it looks just as boring and plain looking at that joke DDO....What were they THINKING???????????????

  • grimbojgrimboj Member Posts: 2,102
    Turbine were lucky as hell - this is literally the last chance corall for turbine. They wrecked AC2, DDO and are currently paying their devs from the AC1 subscriptions :P If they lose money over another big game I dont think we're gonna hear too much of turbine anymore.

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  • BlueMountainBlueMountain Member UncommonPosts: 147

    DDO is quite alot of fun if you have an adequate system. It must be very difficult to play with a low-end rig so you have my sympathies there, but it seems a little, ah, projective to say a game and its developers did a poor job when its just your level of tech.

    Of course if you have good equipment then I can only pity your sense of aesthetics.

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  • CalbiyumCalbiyum Member Posts: 44

    http://lorimages.turbine.com/files/17/34/36/23/532.jpg

    Yup these graphics defintally suck. =/

  • ElnatorElnator Member Posts: 6,077


    Originally posted by Athela

    What screenshots are you looking at?  All of the ones I've seen look beautiful.  Maybe you can post a link?
    Have you tried DDO since the July changes? Maybe you'll like it better.  I thought DDO was very sharp graphically, by the way.


    LOL DDO is a crappy game with poor design.  They're in competition with NWN and Baldur's Gate (Single player RPG's with multiplay options) that are over 4 years old.... and they're losing.  Nuff said.

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  • HellefyrHellefyr Member Posts: 17


    Originally posted by Eol-
    There is a link to a download from the Leipzig game fair in the LotRO official forums. Its just a videocamera filming the screen while someone plays the game, but its pretty good. The graphics seemed quite good to me - more realistic and not so cartoony as WoW. The gameplay seemed a lot like WoW, which is fine by me - I enjoyed WoW's gameplay, just not the cartoony world and the less than mature community.

    I had my doubts and disappointments too when I read that Turbine was the one handling LOTRO.  With the exception of Asheron's Call (well, before bots, hacks, etc.) followed by Asheron's Call 2 and DDO, Turbine has had a bad, disappointing track record.

    Hopefully with LOTRO, Turbine can redeem themselves.  I've only seen the excellent screenshots and a few videos.  If the gameplay, as you mentioned, is similar to WoW, then LOTRO is heading in the right direction.  For me, WoW's gameplay, from character control/movement and just the right feel/precision/reaction in combat from keyboard/mouse clicks are perfect.  If LOTRO does possess WoW's gameplay with excellent ingame Tolkien lore/content, then LOTRO will definitely be successful.

  • ElnatorElnator Member Posts: 6,077


    Originally posted by BlueMountain

    DDO is quite alot of fun if you have an adequate system. It must be very difficult to play with a low-end rig so you have my sympathies there, but it seems a little, ah, projective to say a game and its developers did a poor job when its just your level of tech.
    Of course if you have good equipment then I can only pity your sense of aesthetics.


    DDO is fine, graphically.
    The Adventures in it aren't bad either.

    However, the gameplay lacks.  Doing the same adventures over and over because everyone knows which ones give the best xp/loot and does them OVER and OVER and OVER again is BORING BORING BORING.

    DDO is only good if you have a dedicated group of players who get together regularly to play together and rarely, if ever, repeat content just for the items/xp.  If you are in a group that takes it's time and truely enjoys the content it *can* be fun.  Unfortunately, for the average player, that's not the case.  And DDO falls flat on it's face for those players.  Also, unfortunately, both Baldur's Gate 2 and NeverWinter Nights do THAT kind of gameplay BETTER than DDO.

    Personally I found DDO fun for the first 5 or 6 free trials ;)  After that it just kinda stunk the place up.  It just doesn't offer enough features to justify a monthly fee.  It's an online quest engine, nothing more.  It's NOT an MMORPG.

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  • emremfemremf Member Posts: 31
    NWN > DDO
    BG(1&2) > DDO




  • starman999starman999 Member Posts: 1,232

    Let us break it down.....

    What 3 things are needed to make a great MMO?

    1. Money

    2. Vision

    3. Talent

    We know they have number 1 covered. As for the rest its anybodys guess.

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  • BlueMountainBlueMountain Member UncommonPosts: 147


    Originally posted by Elnator 
    ...
    However, the gameplay lacks.  Doing the same adventures over and over because everyone knows which ones give the best xp/loot and does them OVER and OVER and OVER again is BORING BORING BORING.
    ...


    Why the players cannot get out of their rut with the zerg/MinMax goal oriented gaming model is simply beyond me. Everyone jumps to each new game as if it were going to be something different but regardless of the design they play every game as if it was mario brothers: Its all about getting through it as fast as possible.

    Game designs differ so we should expect to have to play them differently. Playing Checkers doesn't work well when you're supposed to be playing Chess. EQ or WoW methods aren't really suited to DDO, and expectations for any new game should be limited from assuming the same old tired way to play will somehow befcome fun and interesting again in this new and different environment.

    If I ran the same five dungeons over and over (because the exp is best or the loot drops optimal) I imagine I might not have fun, but there are a hundred dungeons.  Many of them probably look familiar after awhile but they are different with different  quests and contexts. Further the people you run them  with (should be a crawl but we do tend to run) are different every time unless you are also stuck in a rut regarding the people you game with.

    Granted it is alot more fun grouped with people you like who are more into playing the game rather than finishing it. D&D was like that too. In fact, if you look at it you will see Turbine did exactly what the set out to do and put D&D online. I think it would have been better received had it used the same ruleset we all played with in NWN but they took Eberron with its alienness instead, probably because they had more creative freedom with it. 

    NWN does a good job for what it does but unless you know which server to run you can find yourself at the mercy of some very cruel, merciless people, and the limitations on how many people can be oin a server can be a big limitation indeed.

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  • Billius8Billius8 Member Posts: 574


    Originally posted by Achilleys
    These guys SUCK at turbine, absolutely no taste or creativity, I'm looking at their screens and it looks just as boring and plain looking at that joke DDO....What were they THINKING???????????????

    Actually, I think the question ought to be "Why go with Tolkien?".  Sure, the books had charm before the films came out, but now after upteen viewings of these droll action films, Middle Earth has lost much of its charm.

    Turbine, on the other hand, can only keep improving its skills.

  • ValidurValidur Member Posts: 48


    Originally posted by Billius8

    Originally posted by Achilleys
    These guys SUCK at turbine, absolutely no taste or creativity, I'm looking at their screens and it looks just as boring and plain looking at that joke DDO....What were they THINKING???????????????

    Actually, I think the question ought to be "Why go with Tolkien?".  Sure, the books had charm before the films came out, but now after upteen viewings of these droll action films, Middle Earth has lost much of its charm.

    Turbine, on the other hand, can only keep improving its skills.




    Tolkiens middle earth can't loose it's charm because you've watched Peter Jackons LOTR films a lot. Read the books (or again) and the "charm" will come back again. If you watch movies "upteen" times then your bound to loose interest.

    I've read the books a few times, watched the movies a load and i'm now reading the books again and remembering why I love it. Not to mention that the movies don't contain half of what the books have, it's quite refreshing.
  • GrindalyxGrindalyx Member UncommonPosts: 657
    Reading isn't for everyone. But i am sure a person could get the books on tape. They would be able to listen to the books and all that is in them. It would never be the same as reading them, to me anyway. I have read the books close to a dozen times over the last 30 years and everytime i read them i can't put them down.

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  • RattrapRattrap Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,599

    Mark my words FANBOIS

    LOTR will fail miserably. Dont flame me now becuase you are going to regret this later when the game is out.

    As the previous post , i have also read the books several times. Tolkien got me to fall in love with fantasy , fantasy got me to fall in love with D&D , and D&D gor me to fall in love with RPG and MMORPG.

    Than Turbine announces DDO , for two years i hang out on their forums anticipating the game... growing more and more suspicious every day ,

    But how can you go wrong with D&D ?

    They destroyed the undestructible , any other company would make something out of it ...

    And they did Guild Wars rip off ?!

    So what the hell can you expect from the game the same company was producing in the same time period with same people ?

    Not much 

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  • NoVu5NoVu5 Member Posts: 50
    You had me until "fanbois".  Past that, I stopped reading.

    You want me, or any audience in general, to take anything you say seriously, drop the insults.  It's not the way to win over people to your point of view.


  • ArtifacTArtifacT Member Posts: 222


    Originally posted by NoVu5
    You had me until "fanbois".  Past that, I stopped reading.

    You want me, or any audience in general, to take anything you say seriously, drop the insults.  It's not the way to win over people to your point of view.




    wow that is exactly what i was thinking....

    now if i had all the money in the world i would buy turbine JUST to keep the game going for all eternity to prove this guy wrong lol
  • FonzieguyFonzieguy Member Posts: 16
    The graphics are incredible, to get back to the original complaint...

  • Vrael231Vrael231 Member Posts: 52


    Originally posted by Rattrap

    Mark my words FANBOIS     (I don't condone fanbois but the rest is pretty good, vrael)
    LOTR will fail miserably. Dont flame me now becuase you are going to regret this later when the game is out.
    As the previous post , i have also read the books several times. Tolkien got me to fall in love with fantasy , fantasy got me to fall in love with D&D , and D&D gor me to fall in love with RPG and MMORPG.
    Than Turbine announces DDO , for two years i hang out on their forums anticipating the game... growing more and more suspicious every day ,
    But how can you go wrong with D&D ?
    They destroyed the undestructible , any other company would make something out of it ...
    And they did Guild Wars rip off ?!

    So what the hell can you expect from the game the same company was producing in the same time period with same people ?

    Not much 


    it will fail, in my mind they r completely going off the LOTR story. I mean wats this with monsters, and no rangers. These guys suck

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  • NoVu5NoVu5 Member Posts: 50


    Originally posted by Vrael231

    Originally posted by Rattrap

    Mark my words FANBOIS     (I don't condone fanbois but the rest is pretty good, vrael)
    LOTR will fail miserably. Dont flame me now becuase you are going to regret this later when the game is out.
    As the previous post , i have also read the books several times. Tolkien got me to fall in love with fantasy , fantasy got me to fall in love with D&D , and D&D gor me to fall in love with RPG and MMORPG.
    Than Turbine announces DDO , for two years i hang out on their forums anticipating the game... growing more and more suspicious every day ,
    But how can you go wrong with D&D ?
    They destroyed the undestructible , any other company would make something out of it ...
    And they did Guild Wars rip off ?!

    So what the hell can you expect from the game the same company was producing in the same time period with same people ?

    Not much 

    it will fail, in my mind they r completely going off the LOTR story. I mean wats this with monsters, and no rangers. These guys suck

    Might have something to do with Turbine knowing the story.  Since Rangers were akin to, say, Jedi from SWG, they have decided to not start that whole debacle.  Since there are only about 150 rangers in all of Middle Earth, and two or three of them could singlehandly take on Sauron.  Might lose, but it'd be one helluva fight.  And where in the heck have you gotten the idea there will be no monsters or PvP?  They have released statements on the forums regarding PvMP.  Player vs. Monster Play.  You can take control of monsters, and battle other players, and transfer winnings to your persistent character.  Monster Play.


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