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  • upallnightupallnight Member Posts: 1,154


    Originally posted by Xexima

    Originally posted by upallnight

    Originally posted by Xexima

    Originally posted by upallnight

    Originally posted by methane47

    Originally posted by upallnight

    My dad had no problems hugging us or telling us he loves us. 

    EUREKA!!! I found the problem Your dad should a been wrestlin with you and playin baseball and pushin you in the mudd... So you could turn into a REALL MAN!!!!!.......

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    .........
    I'm kidding UpAllNight...


    Well, he came to my city league baseball games when I was little and came to my basketball and football games when I was in High School.  Does that count? 

    I think he only missed one of my High School football games because he was sick.  But he came to every one of the basketball games.

    He never pushed me in the mud though.  Hehe... 


    Its cuz he loved you too much!  Thats the problem, I found it!  Or maybe because you're the son of satan! *Gasp* or maybe it is genetics and biology?!


    But, if I were the son of satan, then wouldn't it still be genetics and biology?  I mean, I would have half of my dad's DNA.  Or, does being spawned by a dark overlord work that way? 

    I dunno, I'm just gay.  I don't know how it happened.  I just know I like men, and women don't do a dang thing for me.


    No no, religious people don't beleive in this "DNA"  you speak of.  You must have spawned between satans butt cheeks

    Do you like manly looking ladies?  I know those don't do a thing for me.  of course if you use a paper bag.....


    Nyah, I don't like any ladies.  They've got the wrong tools in the drawers.

    But, on the flip side of your argument.  I don't like guys who act or look girly.  I never understood why men act like girls.  If I like men then why would I be attracted to one that acts like a woman?  Kinda like you're not being attracted to girls who act like men.

    Here's my latest crush.  I could beat a cushion with a tennis racket all day and not get over this dude.  LOL!!!  

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  • XeximaXexima Member UncommonPosts: 2,698


    Originally posted by upallnight

    Nyah, I don't like any ladies.  They've got the wrong tools in the drawers.
    But, on the flip side of your argument.  I don't like guys who act or look girly.  I never understood why men act like girls.  If I like men then why would I be attracted to one that acts like a woman?  Kinda like you're not being attracted to girls who act like men.
    Here's my latest crush.  I could beat a cushion with a tennis racket all day and not get over this dude.  LOL!!!  


    Oh, so he handles his balls well I see

    I still don't understand the cushion/tennis racket thing, but I don't know If I want to....
  • methane47methane47 Member UncommonPosts: 3,694


    Originally posted by Xexima

    Originally posted by upallnight

    Originally posted by Xexima

    Originally posted by upallnight

    Originally posted by methane47

    Originally posted by upallnight

    My dad had no problems hugging us or telling us he loves us. 

    EUREKA!!! I found the problem Your dad should a been wrestlin with you and playin baseball and pushin you in the mudd... So you could turn into a REALL MAN!!!!!.......

    .........
    .........
    I'm kidding UpAllNight...


    Well, he came to my city league baseball games when I was little and came to my basketball and football games when I was in High School.  Does that count? 

    I think he only missed one of my High School football games because he was sick.  But he came to every one of the basketball games.

    He never pushed me in the mud though.  Hehe... 


    Its cuz he loved you too much!  Thats the problem, I found it!  Or maybe because you're the son of satan! *Gasp* or maybe it is genetics and biology?!


    But, if I were the son of satan, then wouldn't it still be genetics and biology?  I mean, I would have half of my dad's DNA.  Or, does being spawned by a dark overlord work that way? 

    I dunno, I'm just gay.  I don't know how it happened.  I just know I like men, and women don't do a dang thing for me.


    No no, religious people don't beleive in this "DNA"  you speak of.  You must have spawned between satans butt cheeks

    Do you like manly looking ladies?  I know those don't do a thing for me.  of course if you use a paper bag.....


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  • XeximaXexima Member UncommonPosts: 2,698


    Originally posted by methane47

    PRIMORDIAL SOUPDIDIT!!


    *in steve irwin voice

    Now here we have a methane, what an awsome species, lets poke 'em!  Crikey! That little fella hurts!  Some say that these little fellas are capable of intelligence, I say nah.  oo, lets poke 'em again. Ha, ya missed me!  Do you hear that yelping?  Thats its mating call, it goes sumpin like this "GODDIDIT!"  Ooo, look another 10 of em just appeared!  What A Day!  10 Methanes within 20ft from me! Crikey!
  • ZerogenumZerogenum Member Posts: 391


    Originally posted by grunty


    Originally posted by Zerogenum
    If it is genetic, then theres only one thing to do.

    Accept it.


    Exactly the opposite

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  • XeximaXexima Member UncommonPosts: 2,698


    Originally posted by Zerogenum

    Originally posted by grunty


    Originally posted by Zerogenum
    If it is genetic, then theres only one thing to do.


    Accept it.


    Exactly the opposite


    What then? Deny it? Suicide?  Don't be such an ass.
  • kimosabekimosabe Member Posts: 516

    You gotta kill 'em! Whad'dya think he's gonna say? Jeez, does Zero- have to explain himself every time? You kill 'em and their genes (which could never get passed down the genepool anyway) would be totally eradicated! Then your problem is solved. Of course here lies another problem, homosexuality may be genetic but not necessarily hereditary, which is impossible to prove, since gays don't have children of their own.

    Then, all you have left to kill are the people who could possibly procreate children who are gay... hmmm, this one is harder to justify, so maybe getting rid of all stupid people, people with prejudices, people who are bisexual, people who are trysexual (try anything once), and anyone else who sympathises with gay people all have a chance to spawn these defects into the elite human race!

    /sarcastic_rant off     <-Edited to diffuse confusion

    Je mettrai l'amour sur dos de moi.

  • LilithIshtarLilithIshtar Member Posts: 667


    Originally posted by Zerogenum

    Originally posted by grunty


    Originally posted by Zerogenum
    If it is genetic, then theres only one thing to do.


    Accept it.


    Exactly the opposite


    No no, he was right. Might as well accept it, as it will NEVER go away.

    No one is born straight, and no one is born gay. You choose to be your preference. Does the media, parenting and environment have an effect on most to be straight? I say yes. And I could I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not on this, this is how I feel and think and I'm not going to suddenly change my way of thinking just because someone does not agree. Get over it.

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  • XeximaXexima Member UncommonPosts: 2,698


    Originally posted by LilithIshtar

    Originally posted by Zerogenum

    Originally posted by grunty


    Originally posted by Zerogenum
    If it is genetic, then theres only one thing to do.

    Accept it.


    Exactly the opposite


    No no, he was right. Might as well accept it, as it will NEVER go away.

    And kimosabe, you argument is completely idiotic. You're saying we should kill off other HUMAN BEINGS just because they may or may NOT have the same gene as the "straight" people? I most certainly hope you don't actualy think this way. If so, I weep for human society that someone like you is running around trying to reproduce and create more stupid human beings. We have enough already as it is!


    He was being sarcastic...
  • LilithIshtarLilithIshtar Member Posts: 667


    Originally posted by Xexima

    Originally posted by LilithIshtar

    Originally posted by Zerogenum

    Originally posted by grunty


    Originally posted by Zerogenum
    If it is genetic, then theres only one thing to do.


    Accept it.


    Exactly the opposite


    No no, he was right. Might as well accept it, as it will NEVER go away.

    And kimosabe, you argument is completely idiotic. You're saying we should kill off other HUMAN BEINGS just because they may or may NOT have the same gene as the "straight" people? I most certainly hope you don't actualy think this way. If so, I weep for human society that someone like you is running around trying to reproduce and create more stupid human beings. We have enough already as it is!


    He was being sarcastic...


    Didn't seem sarcasitc to me in any way at all. But that's just me..

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  • kimosabekimosabe Member Posts: 516


    Originally posted by LilithIshtar

    Originally posted by Zerogenum

    Originally posted by grunty


    Originally posted by Zerogenum
    If it is genetic, then theres only one thing to do.

    Accept it.


    Exactly the opposite


    No no, he was right. Might as well accept it, as it will NEVER go away.

    And kimosabe, you argument is completely idiotic. You're saying we should kill off other HUMAN BEINGS just because they may or may NOT have the same gene as the "straight" people? I most certainly hope you don't actualy think this way. If so, I weep for human society that someone like you is running around trying to reproduce and create more stupid human beings. We have enough already as it is! We can't be sure for certain if it even is a gene.

    No one is born straight, and no one is born gay. You choose to be your preference. Does the media, parenting and environment have an effect on most to be straight? I say yes. And I could I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not on this, this is how I feel and think and I'm not going to suddenly change my way of thinking just because someone does not agree. Get over it.


    Did you not notice my earlier post in this thread? Anyway, yes I was being sarcastic, and I edited my post so now nobody else should be confused. You'd've'd  (would have had) to see my relationship with regards to another member on these forums to get the full impact of my attitude.

    -Edit- *Hint: Check my forum posts in my user profile*

    Je mettrai l'amour sur dos de moi.

  • LilithIshtarLilithIshtar Member Posts: 667




    Did you not notice my earlier post in this thread? Anyway, yes I was being sarcastic, and I edited my post so now nobody else should be confused. You'd've'd  (would have had) to see my relationship with regards to another member on these forums to get the full impact of my attitude.

    -Edit- *Hint: Check my forum posts in my user profile*


    My applogizes, I did not realize. Sorry. :d And with all the homosexual threads with 50+ pages it's hard to see who is who and what they all stand for after awhile.

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  • fizzle322fizzle322 Member Posts: 723

    Do gay guys think of themselves as men?

    I don't think of gay guys as men, I see them basically as men physically who are emotionally like women.
  • AelfinnAelfinn Member Posts: 3,857

    One thing people don't seem to understand, its niether genetic, nor entirely a choice.

    An infant in the womb is constantly affected by conditions of the mothers body. While it cannot change the infant's DNA or body structure, the pathways in the brain are subject to change. Abnormally high or low levels of certain hormones can change the way the child thinks after birth. One of the possible changes is sexual preference.

    Now, there are some diseases that are in fact genetic in nature, that have similar symptoms. But these are by far in the minority.

    Like I said before, its not enitirely a choice. I have a choice myself, I could give up the woman I love, and go for men. Would I want to? hell no. Would I feel comfortable doing so? NO. Making that choice would go against everything I live for, it is the same but reversed for them, some to a lesser degree than others.

    No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
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  • DinivanDinivan Member Posts: 91


    Originally posted by fizzle322

    Do gay guys think of themselves as men?

    I don't think of gay guys as men, I see them basically as men physically who are emotionally like women.


    we all consider ourselves as men. If you are a man/woman but you feel you are the opposite sex, then you are not gay/lesbian, you are transsexual, and that has little to do with sexual orientation (many men who have changed their sex to become a woman are then lesbian because they like woman)

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  • upallnightupallnight Member Posts: 1,154


    Originally posted by Zerogenum

    Originally posted by grunty


    Originally posted by Zerogenum
    If it is genetic, then theres only one thing to do.

    Accept it.


    Exactly the opposite


    And you would know and be so certain for what reason?  Because you made a choice to be gay for a while and then decided to go back to straight?  

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  • upallnightupallnight Member Posts: 1,154


    Originally posted by fizzle322

    Do gay guys think of themselves as men?

    I don't think of gay guys as men, I see them basically as men physically who are emotionally like women.


    Okay, then you tell me what makes you so much more "manlier" than I am?  Outside of me liking guys over girls you would never know I was gay. 

    Explain to me what makes you so emotionally manly that I can't handle.  I'm really curious to hear this.

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  • upallnightupallnight Member Posts: 1,154


    Originally posted by Dinivan

    Originally posted by fizzle322

    Do gay guys think of themselves as men?

    I don't think of gay guys as men, I see them basically as men physically who are emotionally like women.

    we all consider ourselves as men. If you are a man/woman but you feel you are the opposite sex, then you are not gay/lesbian, you are transsexual, and that has little to do with sexual orientation (many men who have changed their sex to become a woman are then lesbian because they like woman)



    Thank you. 

    I love my penis.  And I love being a man.  I like doing man things.  I like sports, cars, beer, etc.  I don't like hardly anything women like.  I don't even like hanging out with women to tell you the truth.  There are some girls I've been friends with, but they mostly get on my nerves with their girly things. 

    Thank God I'm gay, because I would never be able to find a wife as much as girls bug me.  All that shopping, chatting, long hair in my drain, fufu spray everywhere. 

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  • kimosabekimosabe Member Posts: 516

    I don't mean to be bashing you for being gay, but from you last post it looks like you are annoyed with the cliche things that stereotypical girls do. If you're gay aside from the fact that women annoy you, then there's definately no argument there, but if you're gay because of the annoying things that women do, then I'd say there's some ambiguity there and could point out that possibly you've been looking at/for the wrong ladies.

    I've known and become friends with some girls throughout schooling who weren't the girls who always wore makeup, or had to get the nicest clothing, or the fanciest jewelry, or were innately repulsed by many things that stereotypical men would find interesting. One of these friends in particular loved watching anime cartoons (as I am an anime fan myself), enjoyed playing video games, read King and Palahniuk novels, and never once uttered "ooh I need to freshen up," or acted completely clueless about how to troubleshoot a computer. There are plenty of girls out there who like to shop a lot less than men do, and would rather stomp in mudholes than spray on some extra perfume, the trick is just where and when you look for them.

    Sure, if you are just not interested in women in general, that's fine. I don't have a problem with people being gay, but you don't have to dislike all women just because of the stereotyping that men on hunting and fishing trips do to them. That's... well, I'll let you imagine who I think that sounds like.

    Je mettrai l'amour sur dos de moi.

  • methane47methane47 Member UncommonPosts: 3,694


    Originally posted by upallnight

    I love my penis. 


    LOL that is a hilarious statement So i will respond with a letter i found addressed to you UpallNight... and The return address says "his penis"...


    Dear Upallnight,

    I don't think I like you anymore,

    'Cause when u get to drinkin'

    You put me places I've never been before.

    Dear Rodney,

    I dont like you anymore.

    Why can't we just get a grip,

    On our man to hand relationship.

    Come to terms with truly how we feel.

    If we put our heads together,

    We'd just stay home forever.

    Taken from- Rodney Carrington's 'A letter to my penis'

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    What's your Wu Name?
    Donovan --> Wu Name = Violent Knight
    Methane47 --> Wu Name = Thunderous Leader
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    <i>ME<i>

  • upallnightupallnight Member Posts: 1,154


    Originally posted by methane47

    Originally posted by upallnight

    I love my penis. 

    LOL that is a hilarious statement So i will respond with a letter i found addressed to you UpallNight... and The return address says "his penis"...

    Dear Upallnight,
    I don't think I like you anymore,
    'Cause when u get to drinkin'
    You put me places I've never been before.
    Dear Rodney,
    I dont like you anymore.
    Why can't we just get a grip,
    On our man to hand relationship.
    Come to terms with truly how we feel.
    If we put our heads together,
    We'd just stay home forever.

    Taken from- Rodney Carrington's 'A letter to my penis'


    I saw a little cartoon on the Internet once of that where a guy was singing it.  It was pretty funny. 

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  • upallnightupallnight Member Posts: 1,154


    Originally posted by kimosabe

    I don't mean to be bashing you for being gay, but from you last post it looks like you are annoyed with the cliche things that stereotypical girls do. If you're gay aside from the fact that women annoy you, then there's definately no argument there, but if you're gay because of the annoying things that women do, then I'd say there's some ambiguity there and could point out that possibly you've been looking at/for the wrong ladies.
    I've known and become friends with some girls throughout schooling who weren't the girls who always wore makeup, or had to get the nicest clothing, or the fanciest jewelry, or were innately repulsed by many things that stereotypical men would find interesting. One of these friends in particular loved watching anime cartoons (as I am an anime fan myself), enjoyed playing video games, read King and Palahniuk novels, and never once uttered "ooh I need to freshen up," or acted completely clueless about how to troubleshoot a computer. There are plenty of girls out there who like to shop a lot less than men do, and would rather stomp in mudholes than spray on some extra perfume, the trick is just where and when you look for them.
    Sure, if you are just not interested in women in general, that's fine. I don't have a problem with people being gay, but you don't have to dislike all women just because of the stereotyping that men on hunting and fishing trips do to them. That's... well, I'll let you imagine who I think that sounds like.


    But you're looking at this from the typical straight person who can't understand why people are gay view.

    I don't like women's bodies.  I like men's bodies.  There is nothing on a woman that I find sexually attractive.  I'm not sure why that get's lost on some people when it comes to this whole thing, but that's the basic fact that is often missed.  I am just not attracted to women.  I don't like boobs.  I don't like vaginas.  I just don't look at women and go, ahhhhhh....   Men on the other hand... 

    See what I mean?  It's got nothing to do with being confused about anything as far as looking at women stereotypically.  It's got to do with a man's body being infiinitely more attractive to me than a woman's. 

    The only reason I brought up the stereotypical woman stuff is because I was trying to show that I don't act like a woman just because I'm gay.  I don't know why everyone thinks that gay people all act like some disco queen they see on t.v., maybe because those are the only gays that get noticed, but there are a majority of us that completely blend into society.  We're everywhere, right there in your plain view, hidden by peoples stereotypes to the point that they can't see us. 

    BOO!!! 

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  • zeeqzeeq Member Posts: 12

    Pssh. Immature people think that people with differences need, no, must be "cured". Pretty sickening.

  • kimosabekimosabe Member Posts: 516


    Originally posted by upallnight

    Originally posted by kimosabe

    I don't mean to be bashing you for being gay, but from you last post it looks like you are annoyed with the cliche things that stereotypical girls do. If you're gay aside from the fact that women annoy you, then there's definately no argument there, but if you're gay because of the annoying things that women do, then I'd say there's some ambiguity there and could point out that possibly you've been looking at/for the wrong ladies.
    I've known and become friends with some girls throughout schooling who weren't the girls who always wore makeup, or had to get the nicest clothing, or the fanciest jewelry, or were innately repulsed by many things that stereotypical men would find interesting. One of these friends in particular loved watching anime cartoons (as I am an anime fan myself), enjoyed playing video games, read King and Palahniuk novels, and never once uttered "ooh I need to freshen up," or acted completely clueless about how to troubleshoot a computer. There are plenty of girls out there who like to shop a lot less than men do, and would rather stomp in mudholes than spray on some extra perfume, the trick is just where and when you look for them.
    Sure, if you are just not interested in women in general, that's fine. I don't have a problem with people being gay, but you don't have to dislike all women just because of the stereotyping that men on hunting and fishing trips do to them. That's... well, I'll let you imagine who I think that sounds like.

    But you're looking at this from the typical straight person who can't understand why people are gay view.

    I don't like women's bodies.  I like men's bodies.  There is nothing on a woman that I find sexually attractive.  I'm not sure why that get's lost on some people when it comes to this whole thing, but that's the basic fact that is often missed.  I am just not attracted to women.  I don't like boobs.  I don't like vaginas.  I just don't look at women and go, ahhhhhh....   Men on the other hand... 

    See what I mean?  It's got nothing to do with being confused about anything as far as looking at women stereotypically.  It's got to do with a man's body being infiinitely more attractive to me than a woman's. 

    The only reason I brought up the stereotypical woman stuff is because I was trying to show that I don't act like a woman just because I'm gay.  I don't know why everyone thinks that gay people all act like some disco queen they see on t.v., maybe because those are the only gays that get noticed, but there are a majority of us that completely blend into society.  We're everywhere, right there in your plain view, hidden by peoples stereotypes to the point that they can't see us. 

    BOO!!! 


    I'm sorry you took my post that way, but the red colored line has already pointed out the same point as your reply. That's what I was wondering about. From what you said earlier is that women annoyed you, and that's what brought up the ambiguity, since you had never previously mentioned if they were attractive or not. Here you actually state that women aren't as attractive as men, which is what the red line in my post is supposed to mean. If you aren't attracted to them and you find them annoying in addition to that, then like I said, there's no argument to be made. I probably should've made that more clear.

    Please don't give me "straights don't understand gays" stuff. I've had plenty of discussions about this with many of my homosexual friends. Not to be saying I'm an expert or anything, just that I have at least some insight/understanding of it.

    Je mettrai l'amour sur dos de moi.

  • LilithIshtarLilithIshtar Member Posts: 667
    Mmm...

    If it makes ya feel better.

    I love my vagina.

    And I love other girls.

    :3

    Sure, depending on the guy, I MAY be attracted to him. But that's bloody rare.

    Im more attracted to the female body.

    Im not a tomboy. I'm a girly girl. I like to shop, go out to the movies,
    But I also love to read, draw, paint, read manga, anime, dance ( ddr ftw ) and etc.
    Im also even on ROTC, and hope to become a Lanquist for the AirFoce as well.
    But I'd rather be a novel writter and an artist ( I do fantasy and wildlife ) the airforce is like a plan B.

    ^^


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